Breaking News: Survivor & The Challenge

0:00 Foreign [Music] [Music] [Music] foreign [Music] [Music] hello everyone welcome back to the nullify Tech Channel on YouTube where we've got the TNT takes we're a very impromptu live here today both myself and Kahuna the stars have aligned for us with both of some free time and there's been so much news out there in the reality TV world that I said to him why not jump online and instead of having this conversation offline let's talk to each other with all of our you know loyal

1:20 Listeners the people that talk to US Weekly about these shows Kahuna how are you doing very good sir got a couple days off and get to take full advantage that we can do stuff during the day when the Sun's shining and our U.S counterparts can do it at a time when it's nice and cozy for them in the evening so world's aligning we've got New Zealand we've got Australia we've got different time zones we've got everyone going to discuss the news today yeah finally people can start coming after us directly for the very cool takes that we've had this season for the challenge they definitely come after me that's a little bit of both Chris welcome to the live stream saying that she's going to blame us if she doesn't get that full hours worth of sleep I'm sorry Chris but it's gonna be worth it that's all I'm going to say it's going to be worth it because we'll have some more spicy takes for everybody to get upset about in the next hour or so saying hello to both of us Christian girl saying hello and baby eyes baby ice is great to have you back and Alive as well baby ice you wouldn't know this Kahuna was my co coach probably two seasons ago for all-stars when we did the All-Stars draft and then you know he dropped me for the latest season and Chris had to take over and become became my co-co coach I should say for the last team that I selected double welcome back in the live stream as well great to see

2:40 You as well there's a lot that happened this week Kahuna I think one of the first things I want to talk about and this might not be relevant to some of the people that I see here in the live immediately but bear with me for a few seconds or a minute or two just while I talk to all of our Australian Survivor fans there's some great news for Australian Survivor fans that follow this channel we will have a sneaky Steve interview and Mucky did make an appearance for about five minutes so it's the end people are gonna love it because we all know that sneaky Steve is mucky's favorite Survivor player of all time Kona he must have been so stoked is he just fangirling like I'm surprised he could even talk really yeah he like he did put two or three sentences together it was a lot of fun to see him ask questions to Stevie being Starstruck because you know for me I kind of take it for granted I've had the opportunity now to talk to a few celebrities you could say or reality TV stars for survivors of Africa Australian Survivor I've had the challenge Conor which that interview still needs to come out hopefully after this week we can get that green lid so I've had an opportunity to talk to a few people but the first time I ever spoke to anyone was with shintal from reality realness hello and we spoke to Rob Van Tilly we spoke to Robin Telly one of the Legends survivors of Africa that was my first ever time meeting a Survivor plan I was very Starstruck

4:01 The first time that happened as well Kuna yeah I mean I mean I imagine if I got to interview and talk to a lot of my favorite reality stars I'd probably be feeling the same way to be honest as well yeah W says he saw a poly pick and had to watch we'll definitely talk about Paulie very soon baby eyes the second biggest story fan after me is Chantel yeah I don't think chatel love story all that much but you know listen there's a lot of stuff that happens so just closing off an Australian Survivor we're gonna have to sneaky Steve interview I'm not too sure how many other interviews I've got lined up at this stage because it is down to the players if they're happy to come on and talk now that the season is done there is no obligation for them to do so but I have been talking to about two or three other players so who knows there may be a few more that will come up in the next week or so as well swiftly moving on to the first bit of news here that I wanted to get into before we get into the challenge because the challenge is going to be juicy so it's going to be worth the wait for those that came only for challenge content but we had this Gem of information drop on inside Survivor this week and I'm not too sure if you're aware of this but it says survivors looking at becoming bigger than ever for its 45th season as the show is set to increase it's episode length while not 100 confirmed several inside Survivor sources have climbed Survivor 45

5:21 Will be expanding to 90 minute episodes this is for more than just the premiere each episode is set to be 90 minutes with the usual three hours season finale survivors aired 60 minutes since the premiere in 2000 but an episode increase has been in the works for quite some time a host an executive producer Jeff Perez has made it no secret that he prefers the 90 minute episode structure so I'm not going to read through the whole article but if you want to see more of this go and check out inside Survivor go support them Martin Holmes is a very credible source that normally spoils Survivor seasons and gets it right Kahuna what's your first instincts and thoughts about Survivor moving to moving to a 90-minute episode moving forward do you think it's Overkill or is this exactly what the doctor ordered I don't think the length of the episode is the issue because there needs to be the content to fill it right and I'm sure they film 24 7.

6:12 So there's plenty of film on yeah they've got plenty of footage to go through but is there enough to be able to craft a story like we see in Australia we have two to three episodes a week sometimes up to 90 minutes each as well so we're talking about four and a half hours but it's also a much longer game more competitors a lot there's more in there to be able to take away and carve and make a better show and utilize that full time so is it going to remain the 26 days the fast version the three tribes of six and then still be 90 minutes I don't like I don't know if that works or if it would be better to go back to the traditional 39 days and have the longer format for the longer episodes and they might be able to actually get more out of it I'm not sure yeah I mean relative realness Chantelle here asking will it go back to 39 days I skim read through this article there was no talk about the actual days getting longer my theory personally is that Jeff Probst has liked working less for the same amount of money and that's why he like you know I mean you can't blame the guy he's like thinking to himself his dollar per day has gone up since he's moved to 26 days has there been a bit of product hell no I definitely want to get them moving back to 39 days but what I do like about 90 minute episodes is that there is no chance for them to have an excuse not to give us the intro package at

7:33 The beginning of the episodes anymore which fans have been missing it's one of the great things about Australian Survivor being long episodes we still get to see that and there's really no excuse for them when it comes to giving us better tribe Dynamics and social interactions at Camp the things that we love like the things that we keep raving about that we think is what survivor is meant to be about but the one thing that I am fearful of and Chantel brings it up here is what are we going to be watching idle hunts and Journeys every week I do have a collaboration coming up with Once Upon an island who's also got a YouTube channel for those that follow Survivor and we're talking about how to fix Survivor and we may talk about a little bit of what you're mentioning there I don't want to give too much away but I do think you know that's going to be an interesting one to keep an eye out for but I'm hoping we get more quality not just quantity Kahuna and the Jeff doesn't continue because I feel like Jeff thinks that seeing people go crazy and having them in this hamster wheel where you just spin it faster than faster as entertainment yeah and maybe he's just thinking this is more crazy twists we can do this is more production interference that we can do this is more stuff that we can get our hands on and play a part in rather than letting the survivors figure it out but it could be the opposite as well maybe it does mean that they've seen the success of Australia they

8:53 Know that like I know you're saying I would be the same as well if I was deaf probes I'd be like I can work 26 versus 39 we'll get paid the same amount sure I definitely want that but if they're looking for the Integrity of the show if you will like not that you know massive corporate conglomerations like CBS are worried about that sort of thing but if they're worried about the Integrity of the show what their fans want seeing the success that Australian Survivor does with that different format maybe they'll switch back to it we're not gonna we're gonna find out but we're gonna find out I mean but for us at home to me anything with more Survivor is usually a better thing for me so I'm hoping that it means a better thing for the end product as well yeah 100 Chris this year there may be a writer strike coming up in Hollywood so I think CBS needs to expand reality TV shows to full time I've also heard that some of the shows that Aid after Survival on CBS are not doing well they're not getting volume of people watching them so expanding a show that is still holding on to some viewership may be a strategic move by them as well also relative illness is saying how to fix Survivor be more like Australian Survivor yes please just edit four people the whole season Kona and let us not know anything about everybody else it sounds like he's complaining about a hell of a season actually like the they do what they do but we love it don't we I've

10:13 I've said I've got to hate love relationship with Australian Survivor I see the good but I feel like a lot of fans at the moment have got like roast tinted glasses on and they're just looking at like this season I don't want to spoil anything for anyone who didn't watch it we were lucky that one of those four big characters ended up doing extremely well what if those four entertaining characters don't do well next season and we are left with all of the boring characters at the end we end up with a blood vs Water season where people can't carry the show so again my critique to Australian Survivor is cast better give us more entertaining people on the show yeah well that's not the edit though right like no that's the cars yeah like I'm like the people that are complaining about having everyone get a fair edit I'm like wow I really wish I got my shiny episode this that last season of Australians of hope you know what I mean like giving everyone a full Fair edit can sometimes be counterintuitive it's more boring to give a whole focus on a character that is going to be there for two imagine if Fraser God blem casting not the editors exactly they're doing with they're doing the best with what they've been given I think they're playing their hands they've been dealt and crafting and formulating and making a great TV show out of sometimes times poor casting so well he's saying I don't watch Australian survive doesn't have a good format it does there is some things with Australian survivors sometimes

11:33 There can be annoying like non-eliminations but in general it's definitely I mean it goes for a lot longer it's got a lot more screen time it's got very big characters on the show as well and one thing I will say Australian Survivor absolutely beat Survivor us at as tribal councils like it has got some of the most exciting tribal councils you'll ever see you know like out in Survivor in the new age you kind of get to Tribal Council and you're bored and you don't really follow what's going on because you kind of already know what's going to happen or you've got like a vague idea Jeff doesn't really get much from people in Tribal Council anymore Survivor Australia is completely different like you know people's games blow up a tribal council big moves get made there's live tribal councils almost every week and I feel like people play a lot harder Kahuna for some other reason than Australia man they even get action on the map before a challenge there's like stuff being turned out people getting you know dunked on while standing there and jlp's just happy to let it go so yeah there's always something happening they still have three episodes of an hour and a half and there's plenty there with four people getting the edit so like if that's like imagine if they had if the US did the same sort of thing and filled it with these people that can bring that across then yeah like 90 minutes is going to be nothing as long as they've got the content to feel it

12:53 Yeah but I'm trying to say people passing Idols to challenges which is insane seeing Talk across tribes like we kind of saw in 44 now this season with Claire trying to talk to Matthew but both those players are no longer in the game that was interesting and fun to see Jay saying he hopes that American Survivor premieres will still be two hours though because 90 minutes isn't enough for a Premiere I agree but I would still take that if we can get 90 minutes for all the episodes you know I think it will kind of balance out in the long run really but let's get into the news that I know a lot of people are very excited about and probably saw the thumbnail there for Mr Kelly Fury we know that he's rumored to be on this next season the official cast for the second installment of The Challenge USA has been leaked we've got a picture of everybody there together and let's briefly go through some of these people Alyssa Lopes from Big Brother 23 she was on the last season of the challenge she was hey are you surprised to see her back no really like I think she had a pretty good showing didn't she like as far she seemed okay in challenges she was a pretty big character she had that thing where she's like really tiny and small and maybe physically disadvantaged but in the dailies I think I remember her doing pretty good the fact that I'm saying I think I remember means that she didn't really like

14:14 Dominate The Show for me obviously in my memory but I do remember her standing out and having a pretty good season as far as I can remember well it's interesting because her biggest storyline last season was going up against the people who wronged her in Big Brother 23 and taking revenge on that so I'm kind of wondering what her storyline is going to be this season people who are in the life might know a little bit more about some of the personal stuff and relationships she's got coming into the season but I also like the dynamic between her and Tyson That season they had a really fun Dynamic when they were teamed up together which was which was hilarious to see it play out but overall I mean I don't hate it I kind of think Alyssa falls into the type of casting that they do for the challenge pretty consistently Alyssa Snyder from Big Brother 24 this is kind of where I stopped watching Big Brother I didn't I didn't really follow Big Brother after 23 all that much I watched a little bit at the beginning of big bro 23 and a little bit at the beginning of big bro 24 and I lost interest both times I don't remember much of her but Chris is saying I'm happy for Alyssa but not Alyssa s stayed home girl because I've remind remember like remind me if I'm correct because she's one of the girls who went after Tyler That season and was like a kind of like a bully to her but she wasn't part of the Mean Girls I feel like she may have been part of the Mean Girls there in that season you don't watch Big Brother right corner I don't not since 2002

15:34 Or something with the Australian version of Sarah Marie doing the bum dance that is a reference that went straight over most of your viewers but there's about three people in Australia that probably got exactly what I meant right then Chris just for them Deb is saying Alyssa does have Tyson and Angela protection for the previous season Chris yep she did go after Taylor I remember that yeah so I'm not too excited to see her Woolly Alyssa didn't do much in this season she was a floater but here we have a very familiar person coming back on the season in Amanda Garcia I'm a big Commander fan Kona like I like what she brings to the show yeah I like what she brings to the show because again she is spicy and I like people being spicy on the show I don't know if I like MTV players coming over to the USA because one of the things I've really enjoyed about The Challenge USA was the fact that they've used it as a way to bring new players into the family that can then translate over to the showpiece where you bring the Legends in so I don't know how I feel about that but I can't blame Amanda for saying yes to coming for the season coming out for the season no definitely not I mean Amanda should take every opportunity she gets and get paid but I don't understand the casting here myself I'm not a big Amanda fan I think she's growing on me in recent years as my

16:54 My viewership of the challenge and reality TV in general has become more meta over the years so where when I first was watching Amanda earlier on I always just had that thing of like nah she's a she's not good at this I don't like her getaway and that very like childlike thing of like she's bad no like go away but you know over time you start to appreciate the villains for what they actually bring to a show as characters as you know people that make havoc and make TV rather than just completely boring so I get that she does bring that element very well it's kind of what she does the best I'm just not a personal fan of her but I appreciate that she can really kind of throw a spanner into the works for any season being on USA though I don't get it because she's so like if there's a difference in tone and Vibe between the different versions of the challenge she is 100 MTV version Flagship version she's the messy drama not necessarily the big physical threat not necessarily the big strategic threat but she is going to just cause waves she's going to get in under people's skin she's going to have a lot of drama

18:14 Following her and surrounding her and I don't know if that was the vibe they want for the USA version versus the MTV but we're gonna get it because she's there and I'm excited to see what she actually does again like she it might be like on a on a different sort of track but you know like when turbo for example is just so intense and it puts off people's like you're just too much man you're coming on way too strong take a chill pill take like learn to take a joke I wonder if Amanda will have a similar like just a lot for some of these people that aren't from The Challenge environment and then you just get Amanda being Amanda and it might be fun to watch how that plays out I think oh that's going to be half of the excitement of seeing people from these different shows that all play the game very differently go up against each other I mean that's literally what we're seeing now on the challenge World Championship it's just a different way of playing the game there is no right or wrong way really in my mind it's just what is the metaphor That season and I think Amanda coming in like everybody here in the life has said is going to be exciting because she's going to bring some entertainment she's going to bring some drama some spiciness to it I also agree with Willie's comment here that she saved season 37 because season 37 was pretty freaking boring without Amanda there so I'm here for it I endorse this Amanda return and I'm similar to you I don't think I would have said that back and final Reckoning when I

19:34 First met her was that was my first season watching and I was like I don't know who the school is she's a bit out there but let's move on to Amira Jones she's also from Big Brother 24 from my memory she was friends with Alyssa and was in that whole club that kind of it was like the Mean Girls Alliance so I don't really know what to expect from her this season I don't know if she's good at Challengers or anything like that but one thing we do know is that the challenge likes bringing on Big Brother contestants to the show Kahuna so we're constantly getting that so clearly whatever Casey and fessie and those guys have been doing they've been loving it and they've kept them as like primary cast members for you know back to back to back Seasons like between Casey fessey Josh Amber and I guess even before that we're going to get into poorly but the big brother well has proven you know fruitful for the challenge so far in their casting more so than you know at least the European sort of track that they've been going down and that sort of thing Big Brother's proven to be quite you know a good place to find cast members yeah I mean I understand I like when they go globally but if we're gonna have to Challenge USA it's got to be from the US it makes sense right so you're going to get more of the other reality TV stars coming in maybe I say it sounds like her and Amanda

20:55 Could make a great team yeah I mean yeah Amanda would probably work with the Mean Girls I could see that sort of sort of coming together and be a thing this season here's someone that's a bit of a fan favorite Cassidy Clark from Survivor 43 now I know that you didn't watch the previous seasons of Survivor 43 42 is like a blind spot for kuna because he lost faith in it after 41. and I've got him back I've got him back from the age of Extinction before USA starts I will go through 42 and 43 just because I have to it is that it's that Shameless it's like the movie on your all-time top 10 that you've just not watched or gotten around to 42 and 43 will be conquered very soon I'm sure I just want to bring up Realty realness comment here saying I think it's because most of the Big Brother players are recruits and likely thirsty for some Fame the schedules are always open and I agree with that and they're also people that the veterans can easily manipulate and string along where I think survivors proving that they're out there they're a lot more individualistically focused they want the bag they want to go get the money like Danny this season and that's what I find exciting so I want to see more Survivor players make their way so happy for Cassidy to come in Cassidy was the Fallen Angel last season for a lot of people she was someone that a lot of people thought would win the season I personally never

22:15 Personally was on the Cassidy hype train I Until the End didn't think she was going to win and I wasn't surprised she didn't win because she did take a bit of a back seat but there's a lot of people that swear by her social game and she did have a decent social game she had a lot of different connections so I think that's going to be very powerful and she was good at the immunity challenges so I think having Cassidy there is going to be exciting and I'm excited to see it she didn't piss me off last season she wasn't one of those people I was like ah you know just because I didn't think she was worthy of worthy winner doesn't mean that I don't think she deserves a shot in the show and I know that at least half of the people out there will fight me on it to the death and say that she is a worthy winner for last season so I like to see Cassidy out there I'd like to see what she can do this season let's have a look and see what everybody is saying Chris saying I'm so happy because she is here for her revenge see there we got it Chris is a big Cassidy fan double thing big brother will run season like Survivor did last season could be because there's a lot of Big Brother players this season big road play some more easy to manipulate than Survivor players agreed Christina welcome Chris Kahuna should tell him friends yep Chantelle is in the live I try to get her on but she's like it's past my bedtime but I'll be in bed watching you and commenting on the on the stream it was the very last minute impromptu live stream as well so I don't blame her now this is a person that I never thought would see

23:35 Back on our screens Chris Underwood do you remember Chris Underwood Kona the shortest playing winner in history I think it was isn't it he was the one that came back and right at the end and then won doubtful pounder's most successful Survivor player in the history of the game because he had the fewest days in the game but won it Alison he won it based on his challenge prowess because he had to go and beat out all the other players on the edge of Extinction to get back into the game and then had arguably one of the best in games making every single correct decision as he took out his competition to win that season but very controversial winner a lot of the times when people rank Survivor winners they rank them right at the bottom due to the nature of how he won that season so I feel like Kahuna Chris is going to have the chip on his shoulder and I do think he has some social game I do think he could go out there and be underestimated and potentially could do well in the season in that you know that the Venn diagram of where the challenge crosses over with Survivor in that middle section where that crossover is I feel like is a good spot for him in it's like when you say it's challenge right it's if he's good at immunities and that's how he kind of got through to the end then that is the main crossover bit with the challenge it is more

24:55 Physical less strategic the more dominant players and he was a physical he look he's a physical player he's a he's a he's an athletic guy that I think has had enough sort of I guess the problem is that this is this can go either way right being 38 season 38 being a few years ago now he's sort of had enough time where he's not in the spotlight he doesn't but he's not going to have any Target on his back either right he's underestimated as a winner he doesn't have like recency bias where people go oh I remember him from Survivor he's going to be really good or Etc but then on the opposite side of the track he's probably got no relationships coming in as well he's he wouldn't be able to pre-game he wouldn't have any sort of connections because his season is isolated and quite long ago in the recency bias that is you know I think him and Michelle I think him and Michelle know each other I'm pretty sure as winners they would have they would have hung around the same people Michelle socializes like no one else's business I think he may have some people and I do think Survivor will to a degree stick together because it worked really well for them and The Challenge USA season one but I agree with Sandy's take care finally we're going to see his game plan on positive it's going to be better than Ben's and yeah listen Ben's

26:16 Been doing Ben this he's been doing Ben bombs since like I don't know how it's going to work out for him by the end of this season so I agree with that also just wanted to bring up Chris's comment here saying your Gable to take us by far my least favorite take of yours hashtag team Cassidy I know not everybody agrees with it but you know I stand by it I really I saw Gables when I saw the move that he made in that season Plus for those that are here Mr Mike gabler himself will be a guest on the podcast this week as we talk about the latest episode of Survivor so it's really exciting to have a former winner in fact the reigning champion on the channel to come and talk to us about this latest season of Survivor and I could tell that he's just to find a character really cookie you know we like doing the emails and stuff back and forth I can just tell he is that person that we saw out on the island being a bit of a character so I'm excited to see what he has to say about this season relative illness is saying Chris wins Chris wouldn't ruined the season for me I ended up getting spoiled for the vote reveal and I didn't even bother watching it at the reunion I agree it was I watched it but I'm I will never ever be a fan of someone getting voted out in Survivor and coming back and winning that doesn't mean I hate Chris don't hate the player like I think Chris is a nice guy and I think he could be a good player this season but the way that he won that season wasn't exciting for me Christina saying as long he's an antagonist against the Vets I don't care who he is never saw his season again give

27:36 Him a fresh this is a new game it's a new game right so we don't know how he's going to play even if we if you saw his season you would barely know who he is so true all right next person coming back from Survivor 42 Chanel Howell now you didn't watch Chanel's season either Chanel was one of those players I'll have to admit when I saw I remember her opening package and thinking man I would get along really well with her because she was she's a recruiter and my job for the last six years have been dealing with recruiters like we do recruitment technology that help people employ you know new employees to businesses so I kind of get the vibe of how recruiters are and I thought you know she was going to be really good because you kind of want to recruit people to your Reliance while you're out there right you got to sell yourself and she wasn't in a very explosive Alliance that sort of fell apart very early on in the game got it outside of the numbers and then had to play from the back the whole time went very early at the merge didn't really get a chance to fully show us what she's made of strategically but I do think Chanel has got a lot of potential and I do think Chanel in my opinion hot take care I think she's going to do better than Sean did Chantel did on that The Challenge USA season one so I've got high hopes for Chanel going forward I know you probably don't have much to add for her because she didn't see a seasoned Kona but I'd

28:56 Be very interested to know and everybody in the live let us know what do you think of Chanel coming into this season do you think might take about her potentially doing better than Sean this season is a cold take or is the hot take because she physically do well she's fit yeah she's physically fit only we knew that Sean coming into the challenge here is I had some health issues medical issues with her joints and stuff like that I remember her talking about it when she played Survivor 41 but Chanel doesn't have any of that so she's physically capable I think she's pretty smart as well but again it's one of those players that just didn't get enough of an opportunity releases Chantal got potential and she could win dailies Chanel yeah I'm surprised she didn't win with high yep never saw his season either yeah Christina again the Survivor players that they're choosing this time I feel like are not the superstars that we saw from the first season it's people who had potential but didn't fully get it on their season so they may be a bit more hungry but strategically can they Dominate and halt the season like the Tysons and the Danny's and the Sarahs of this world I the jury's still out the jury's still out on that moving on

30:16 To next Mr Corey one half of the Young Bucks or one-third I should save the Young Bucks coming back not so young anymore Kahuna but he said he wanted to take a break from The Challenge but that break was not very long lived he's back here for this season I mean it's probably been about by the time this it's filming now they just left it's probably been nearly 12 months right it's a break like yeah that's a bit of a break Mr Teen Mom himself so I like how they've got him down as real world explosion as opposed to just teen mom as his main show now they should just put team up for Corey that's like his thing I don't know Tori are you a big fan of Corey yes and no like it's for both of them are Nelson like I feel like sometimes I really enjoy what they bring to the show and then sometimes I'm just like I've seen it all like I feel like Corey and Nelson are there because the production team know what they have in them and they know that they're gonna get solid content with like together they were really good because of their friendship and Nelson sort of you know giving his game up for Corey and you know Corey's got this game that he wants to win and he's physically capable but it's like mentally they both struggle mentally and they're not good strategically so I'm kind of from that position where

31:37 I love seeing them back because of familiarity but I'm also kind of like what can they bring to the game that's new like is Corey the guy you want out there teaching newbies how to play The Challenge is he gonna give them the best you know mentorship into the challenge is what I'm sort of asking coda no absolutely not for me Corey I like Corey better as he's gotten older which unfortunately mean he's also gotten more boring as a parent and he's calmed down but he's become a better human being though he's become a better human being but worse on TV but I also like I think Corey is such a waste of potential like as far as a challenge career goes when they when he came in as team Young Buck he looked like he could have been that next bananas and they were trying to take them on he's physically capable but for whatever reason it's been a long time I think he's had eight seasons or something right he's just not been able to tie it together in any sort of real successful fashion when you're talking about that many seasons he should be now being mentioned along the likes of a Wes and a bananas and a Jordan and a CT because in their first however many seasons they were already elevated to a certain status he's still a BT player in the challenge he's still unfortunately

32:58 Horrible yeah that inquiry was probably at his best as far as physical goes but if it's he just doesn't have the I don't know like the Killer Instinct the clutch Gene whatever it is he is physically capable he's good at building relationships and on a show like The Challenge when he actually gets in with his friends he's got his best buddy by him all the time he's got groups that no one actually targets him it's not like he's a Jordan or a bananas in terms of having people looking at him he's always with friends and he still doesn't win right he still has people around him that he can work with and he still doesn't win so get him on a show like this without the same connections where he is rightly or wrongly probably incorrectly going to be looked at by some of these competitors as one of the legends on the same level because they're bringing these MTV guys they've got bananas coming in they've got Tori coming in who's a winner and currently a legend the world championship whoops we might have lost Kahuna there I'm hoping woolly that you're right about this I'm really hoping we see Corey Target bananas this season because that could reignite a little bit of that young buck energy that we saw back in the day so I'm hoping you're right on that moving on from Corey because you know Corey

34:19 Like even that last season he was in he wasn't really a part of the main story he was just there and I've got a fear that he might just be there again unless he does go after the vets and maybe try and work with some of these rookies that would be an exciting storyline to see but another person I'm not like overly excited to see come back this season as Darrell like I feel like we've seen so much of Darrell recently like he's pretty much been on our screen since the challenge All-Stars won those Stars One have probably done a lot to reinvigorate his challenge career and it brought him back into like a Mainstay of the show but I kind of feel like we've seen it all now unless Darrell goes out I know he's on the Challenge USA and I don't know where he's going to finish unless he comes out and he wins that like what can Darrell still give us at this stage Kahuna like do we need Darrell out there in this season with the Challenge USA I'm a big NBA fan basketball one of the commentators that enjoy his name is Jalen Rose he has a catchphrase that he likes to shout out very loudly and enthusiastically which I enjoy every time I hear it and it goes keep getting them checks some of the older players I don't hate on him I don't know I don't know I don't know like he's got all the players in the NBA that just keep coming back season after season they're not playing they're not really contributing they're not really making them but they're on

35:39 The roster and they've got that spot keep getting those checks Daryl because now Darrell now he's giving me on every single iteration of the show he was on ride or dies he's on the world championship he was on All Stars now he's getting on USA and a few seasons ago when he sort of made his comeback and he was like I need to do this so I can win money I got a family I got kids I need support I want to win now he's like I don't even need to win I just need to turn up and I just need to keep coming back yeah get paid this is his job now full time and I don't blame him for it's a one way to do it especially on the All-Star season it's three weeks or whatever as opposed to six weeks or whatever the case may be go for it happy to have him there he's a nice guy he's gonna make good TV he's just not gonna do anything to like change the game you know what I mean it's not going to be exciting Innovative or anything like that Christina you're saying Darrell love as a person but I agree baby I says he's the male version of Anissa popping up everywhere except I think it's more likable than Anissa Wu is saying Darrell about the fence about to fence at five consecutive Seasons it's gonna be a new record let's move on swiftly to Desi Williams I'm a big Desi fan love DC from the first season that she played Survivor I

36:59 Thought she did extremely well last season her first season on the challenge she's a physical competitor what I love about the fact that Desi went on to the challenge here is hey suddenly Kahuna she's a lot more active even on the YouTube online communities I see her popping up talking to Bryson Wendell quite a lot she's been on Tyson's podcast you know she's suddenly she's just back on the you know she's back on the radar and the challenge has reinvigor rated her career and has brought her back from the age as well this season or last season good I'm all for it 100 I loved her on her season Survivor and last season I think she was the biggest like I guess not rip-off like it's part of the show but for her to go out the way she did on the final with was she with Enzo or Dominic Enzo I think Enzo whoever it was thrilled to have dizzy back into the scooter over yeah there you go so thanks Chris yeah just completely like ruining her chances and taking you out of the game well before she was ready and she was looking like she could have done something pretty spectacular in that final I think yeah it's one of the reasons I feel like when you get to a final and the whole season the point of the whole season was that there was no solid Partnerships you were doing this algorithm

38:19 Which by the way I hope the algorithm doesn't come back this season because I hated it I don't trust the production team to do that fairly they have not proven themselves to be trustworthy at this stage but you know having the whole season be Loosely you're going to work with this partner then you're going to work with that partner to then suddenly your life in the game is tied to your partner in the final I feel like a sign fear they should have just allowed for her to continue on without Enzo you know in that case but happy to have her back on our screens the next person are you an amazing race fan Kona I don't know if you've ever watched The Amazing Race I am I'm a big fan all right so did you see his season so her season was the season that took place when covert was on and halfway through it they had to stop the game and they had teams coming back and half of the teams ended up falling out due to the fact that they couldn't I did I did watch the season yeah and his partner I think was Ryan was his name was the guy who was wrongfully convicted and was in jail for like a long period of time like 10 15 years and Dusty was his only friend who remained loyal to him throughout that time and he was innocent and he got proven innocent and then when he got out they ended up doing the Race together and Dusty

39:40 Was the normal person he's like one of us guys and the life is a normie he's a normal person doing his life but his friend had gone through this crazy experience of being incarcerated being put in jail when he wasn't guilty of something really bad that happened and then he got taken out and then Dusty became famous through that because he was in it that Rusty was the more this way guys imagine Dusty Ian Poley this season going at it because he kind of has that poorly energy that he will not to the same degree not as toxic but he's got he will not stand back for anyone like so he's got that fighting Spirit on him so I feel like there could be some explosive battles between them and the season because they're both very strong personalities Dusty I love by the way and I've become friends with Dusty outside of the season I've spoken to him a few times he's been on the channel he's done an interview for the chip for The Amazing Race 33 so if you want to get a Vibe of what Dusty is like his interview is on this channel so go search Dusty Harris on the channel you'll get a bit of an idea but I love them he's a great guy he even said in that interview he badly wants to play The Challenge he's a fan of the challenge so we like seeing people who are fans of the show get on the show similar to Kayla who got on the show last season so I'm

41:00 Excited he's physically capable he did a Iron Man not that long ago over in Europe so the guy's fit and could be a sleeper because people might underestimate him coming from a competitive race TV show opposed to a strategy so can I know well also the numbers as well right The Amazing Race there's only us like is there three or four of them I endorse this Chris by the way Dusty and Ryan because Ryan would be awesome but I feel like Ryan was a one and done reality TV person I don't know if he wants to remain in the spotlight but Dusty and Ryan could be very exciting to see both on there sorry what was your question Kuna I forget I just got completely distracted I'm sorry [Laughter] I know I shouldn't have compared him to Paulie he's not he's not toxic like Paulie he's just got that fire that Paulie has like you know so like he will not like if the if the Vets are gonna try and throw him in he's gonna fight back or like an early West when West was thrown in constantly he's got that type of energy that he's going to bring to the show I think I remember now Sandy P reminded me there's only two Amazing Race people in the cast this season yeah so that's why I was like okay so if even if he's great the fact that there's only two of them means that they could be in Argentina kind

42:21 Of thing in this season of World Championship where a very easy kind of vote out for all the other teams that are trying to find a way out for the vote just Target The Amazing Race people because there's only two of them I'm gonna put it out there I could be completely wrong I've got high hopes for that Steve I think that even if they throw him in he's gonna he's gonna rock a few people I could see him Rock a few people so they might underestimate him I'll tell you Amazing Race one controversial take that I'll cop from your from all the viewers before we move on to fessi Phil not a good host he's just boring he's monotone like he doesn't have to do much I guess that's not his fault he just kind of stands and welcomes him to the mat and explains the next leg but he's not really doing much during the race like we see a Jeff at the challenges talking them through it we and conducting tribal counsel we see TJ at every daily and every elimination and all that sort of thing but Phil just has to be there and he could essentially be the country's token that they have welcoming them and they say welcome to America it could just be that person without a feel they land on the mat they win right I give what you're saying you're saying Different Strokes

43:41 And jokes for them folks right so you've got for instance I've got like this love-hate relationship with the Australian The Amazing Race house where a lot of people love them Bo Ryan but I feel like Bo Ryan tries to make the show about him and I actually kind of like the fact that Phil steps back and lets the show take the center stage opposed to him being the center stage it's also one of the reasons that I've had issues with Jeff in recent Seasons where I feel like he's trying to become the show when the show should always come first so I can see where you're coming from I personally Love full and a lot of people in here saying that they do as well come for Julie Chen instead yeah Julie Chin doesn't the chinbot doesn't have a lot of fans these days I you didn't miss too much like we're still going to be on here for a while we're going to be talking about some of the cast for The Challenge USA the earlier stages we had a little bit of a chat about Australian Survivor and some of the interviews that I'll be doing and also about Survivor moving to 90 day 90 minute episodes so if you want to hear some of the Survivor takes go back to the beginning of the life otherwise just stay here and hang out for a bit because we're just we're just vibing we're just chilling there's no real format to this we're just talking about everybody that's going to be on this season and the next person here fissy why Kona why make it make sense I mean he maybe technically

45:01 Could say that he's big brother so therefore his CBS he's not an MTV cast he's a c yeah he's sorry yeah like I was saying he's maybe if you look at his CBS as opposed to MTV so maybe that's why they've got him on there as a big brother Alum but I don't like fessie I think he's obviously physically dominant he's a big athletic dude and I don't know if there's anyone on this season that can actually stand in his way if there's a whole brawl or anything like that but socially he's horrible I think he's a piece of garbage and I hate seeing him on my TV to be honest with you yeah a hot take here I just have a feeling you know baby eyes are saying boo fest here but I hope he goes after Paulie for Josh I have a feeling Facey and Paulie are gonna Get Along I've got a feeling that the Big Brother crew are gonna stick together they're gonna pull some numbers together fessie did play in the same season as Tyler Crispin who's also going to be on this season so I see those two potentially working together because Tyler and Casey is very close they're very close friends in real life they went to the intergiver in their season so just due to that I think festive will fall into that Alliance automatically so yeah it's gonna it's gonna be interesting

46:21 I'm not I'm not overly excited to see fisty back in our screens but I feel like of all the players coming over from the main show kuna to the show Fancy may be the most well insulated coming into this season so I just can't see him not go deep because challenge Wise It's Gonna be hard to take him out I know he's got a massive ego and people are going to be annoyed by it but I just don't see him going home early Kona I'm really fearful of that let's see a platform that he says that MTV rigged against him because he's too big and muscular that just wouldn't hold him up that was his excuse for last season why are you lost I blame I blame everybody in the life because she didn't donate to him when he asked you to so then you wouldn't he said if you donate a million dollars to him he won't come back and no one don't I think no one donated so he's like this is proof that people want me on these screens gonna yeah it's all our fault it's all our fault that we're still seeing fishy go out there and play Christina is saying I don't know why CBS MTV loves him that much same no understanding of that W the decision maker with Amanda and Michelle I think it could be Carlos Rondo saying fishy's going to have good drama with Amanda yeah because they had that messy relationship and he also had something on with Michelle with Michelle yeah so that could bring some spiciness

47:42 Maybe that's why they're bringing back on to have that you know they have the love triangle thing going on hmm friends yeah I see it I can they kind of feel like they would be friends like just their personalities I can see it if you see and Josh here together is the return of my nightmares yep I hope someone humbled him early on Denny should be there if this he is won't have advantage in holbro yeah sadly Denny's not back I've got a theory about Danny but off topic but we spoke about that last week owner I feel like the producers won't want Danny back anytime soon Danny is just someone they can't control and he's willing to go after the bananas and Jordans of this world which is production favorites so I feel like Danny might not get that call again The Challenge USA might may be the last one we see him on I hope I'm wrong I hope that the production team proves me wrong and that they don't mind having strong walled individuals playing this game that are willing to go after the veteran Alliance not just like fessy by all accounts is incredibly strong-willed but he's a dick and he works with him and he works with them most of the time like he's been he does he does yeah so I don't know like I don't know why they would fight against that like you want that Danny is

49:03 Showing that he's great TV this season and if he's a little bit more of a headache to deal with I get it like you don't want your production to be you know changed or whatever by one individual person or makes the entire process a nightmare but he's showing that he is good TV and I hope that they recognize that over the convenience of having someone that's completely malleable and does whatever you want Chris is asking us to just skip over bananas okay [Music] [Laughter] yeah listen I mean bananas definitely is the goat he's a great he's a great player but it's time it's time to retire I feel like I mean and coming into the season I don't know if anybody is Gonna Wanna Be taking advice from bananas this season like bananas is trying to be the mentor this season but it doesn't look like people are fully you know in for it does this USA cast though look like it has the same people that would stand up to him so willingly is there a Danny and a Sarah and a people that would you know take it to him and Aussies that don't know

50:23 Who he is and you know that sort of thing like I wonder if his status might carry a bit of weight with a cast like this coming to an all USA season like he deserves it he's the goat like you said and I see why they've put him here if there's gonna be like a the Waters of MTV versus CBS Viacom and where who sits where it's going to be shown is the future of MTV strong versus Paramount plus like whatever it is right now he's the face of the of the show and they're wanting to bring that face to this one as well and right now I don't think anyway I don't know if they'll try to do it with fessi or why they keep bringing back but right now he doesn't seem to have an Heir Apparent the generation that we've seen with him and Wes and CT and Jordan who was really kind of a same generation b or a later generation that has now joined the ranks there doesn't seem to be the next Heir Apparent there doesn't seem to be the next banana come coming along so they're going to keep rolling him out until they can find someone that can take the Shield from him I guess it's interesting baby ice is bananas versus Polly for All Times Sake it's interesting to see bananas and poorly on the same season because a lot of rumors out there was

51:43 That bananas was the reason Paulie didn't get back on and that he didn't want to play with Pauline any longer and there's a lot of rumors out there so it's interesting to see them both be out there on the same season his beef with Denny and Sarah shows he can't talk to adults yeah because I mean they're kind of their own people right dabu is saying Paulie is only man that can get rid of bananas just like War of the Worlds 2 rally the troops well there was a theory out there that people like Paulie had that's why they didn't want him back on because he was willing to go against the favorites and that the favorites didn't want to return they were threatening not to return to the game if Paul he was there because he was getting too much of a hold on the numbers and voting out these people early every season like with some bananas well I heard it wasn't that he was willing to go against him it was more the methodology that he used psychological warfare yeah that he can be a bit of a bully and made just living in the house a bit of a nightmare for people around him where it became almost like harassment if you will and you know we're living in a time or at least when Paulie was kind of got his Exile where that's such a very big deal and maybe it was an overreaction but apparently the way he treats people in the house is not just gameplay it's like it was it was causing issues

53:04 Yeah Jacob is saying I feel like Josh being there will potentially cause a big brother MTV Mega Alliance but I think poorly being there might help mitigate that because it just depends on where Pauly is like it will hear will he be in there but yeah you've got you've got too many friends and at some point we need to do a Venn diagram of how Casey and Josh and fessie with the likes of the Tyler crispens who also likes to play in big alliances and be a mastermind how all of them are going to like connect together in this season because I do feel like Jacob is on to it there's a there's a big chance there's a big brother MTV Mega Alliance that is waiting for us out there and especially because you know people like Josh he wants to secure that next spot on the show and he knows the deeper he takes bananas into the game the better his chances are to get the call again next season because they're keeping one of the favorites in the game for long you know what I mean unless he tries to do that thing with Wes where he builds up a rivalry that doesn't exist and like he thinks that'll be the storyline me and bananas we hate each other we're getting bananas like what are you talking about man like you should be working for that right to write and write it what writer dies the partnership for future Seasons me and bananas we're good mates we go on we hang out all the time outside of the game you know yeah you

54:25 Have to make your guess like which is which season is going to come first are they going to do another Rider dies or they're going to do another Rivals I need to make my decision happy for Janae that she's coming back this season like I felt bad for how she left the last season not being able to get like at least the Fighting Chance to stay in The Challenge USA sucked for her but again like you've got to wonder is there anybody else we could have brought in is there new Talent we could have brought in from the CBS side I feel like there has to be right but not angry either like I mean I'm happy to see how Janae is going to go but again she's one of those players that where's she gonna fit in she might not fully fit in with the MTV main show people either because she's been out of that Circle for so long yeah I mean this season on world championship she's with banana and she's with Tori you know there is at least that familiarity but you're right like I'm interested to see like this season on the world championship I was interested to see how the All-Stars make that step up if it's like is the All-Stars a step down as far as competition goes to the main Flagship and then to World Championship into USA and I don't think Janae had long enough on this season like she obviously did well early in a couple of those dailies but I am just to see

55:45 A two-time back-to-back champion on All Stars how that equates to competition wise on a show like USA Josh Martinez we've spoken about him a little bit he didn't make it on the previous season I do give credit where it's due the guy's been working man on the off season on his physique and he's getting in better and better shape my I mean you got to look at this and you've got to say when we criticize nality for not doing puzzles that side of seasons you've got to at least give it to Josh that he's working on that physical aspect of it in between seasons and he's trying to become a better competitor and I think it's going to pay off for him and some of the dailies the problem though is that I've always said natural athleticism is something you either have or you don't you can be the fittest guy out there but if you just don't have natural athleticism if you're the Goof you know you might still be struggling out there like he did with those balls when he had to throw the target it's just you know you either have it or you don't Kuna give me the Goof just give me the Goof give me the Goof I actually think he's more tolerable than like face like I had to choose between him and Facey I choose Josh at this stage to be honest with you yeah I would never have thought that a couple of seasons ago I do too because like I don't know like I have this thing like okay he's so dumb you're so dumb dude just shut your mouth stop talking

57:05 But like dumb is not as bad as like an right like the dummy's like oh he's kind of he's Goofy and that's almost like ah Josh ah like so yeah I like what you said there because strength and physicality has not always it's not necessarily Josh's issue right he's a big dude and he's very strong we have a saying in Australia because what we do is we just abbreviate everything right breakfast becomes brekkie afternoon becomes arvo all that sort of thing in Australia Josh would be what we call Smoke break smoke break becomes smoke okay yeah Joshua what we call Uncle have you heard of this phrase before no Uncle it just really so much it's uncoordinated or something completely uncoordinated it's that person that you go look he looks athletic he looks big he looks strong but he looks like he throws a ball with his left hand like you he's left-handed and he's throwing at the wrong like whatever it is he's just Uncle he does not have the ability to put those his physical traits in some sort of logical order where it allows him to find success his brain does not move the things in the same way that natural athletes do and no matter how cut he gets no matter how muscular he gets he whatever he does to his physique if he cannot

58:26 If he's completely uncoordinated and non-athletic it's not going to help yeah jacobia says has just figured out the answer to what a times nine is though Chris say not much preferred facie over Josh I cannot stand Josh is whining double pulley gonna mentally break him down he was the one that alleged poorly punched him on winners of War of the Worlds 2 reunion you should go watch if you haven't you're dub but I know you're a fan of angel cake you should go watch this Kara Maria documentary he actually talks to that in part three which is quite interesting hearing the different takes on that documentary because Paulie and Cara said that it was all manufactured that they had cameras out there to try to get poorly out and they just did a film and basically acted the whole thing up I don't know what's true I wasn't there but it's interesting hearing the different sides to it and what a dirty way to get someone off the show if that is true if you manufactured it I don't know if it's true or not I'm not saying it is but it's a really dirty way not to have to compete against them head to head and if it was ever to come out that is what happened I'd lose a lot of respect for a lot of people that was involved in that whole scenario they also petitioned to get Ashley out from Josh last season as well right or season before with saying that she outed him basically you know and I think it was Tori and Casey said they hated that and

59:46 That's what got Ashley removed because she called him out and basically tried to out him and said they all knew he was gay even though he hasn't come out interesting well yeah she ended up obviously being removed as well so there's one thing that Ashley unfortunately got removed for the interaction so Josh has had like multiple people removed from a season just for interacting with him there's a few more there's a few more Facey fans here saying Facey works better because of at the end of the day he's very self-motivated and a solid villain when he's not trying to be a nice guy it's true when he just owns who he is but sometimes he tries to be you know he's just the shy guy he wants us to know he's a shy guy he's an introvert yeah he's an introvert on his sixth reality TV show in a row yeah all right next book is gonna be a Louis from The Amazing Race 34 love Louie I've spoken a few times with him and DM I wanted to get him on for an interview for The Amazing Race after the season but we've just never been able to make it work now it looks like he's gonna be on the challenge and I might have to talk to him about both of his experiences if I do actually get him on the show one day he's a really nice guy so I really hope he does well but being one of the two Amazing Race people going out there my hopes are low at this stage

1:01:06 For where he's potentially going to end but he's got a bigger than Larger than Life personality as well I feel like he would be the life of the party so he might fit in with the likes of like a Corey if he does get out there I just don't know where he's gonna fit like it's very hard to know how he's going to do strategically on this season let's have a look Chris saying happy to see Louis he was fun I agree he was he was really light-hearted which is good let's move on to Michaela though a lot of people wanted to see Michaela come back out to play again after she had her list and she got caught very early on in that season do you think she's bringing notepads with her this time she better than that I don't know why it was such a like a sin as well though like I think lots of people keep notebooks in their stuff there in the challenge house I've heard over the years but I like Michaela I'm a big fan of Michaela I thought she could have done better we need a j out there like I want the Jay and Michaela reunion she unfortunately was that first episode thing where they're just looking for any excuse whatever we can find to tack on to get the vote that was unfortunately the notes became a thing from Michaela which was also her undoing on Survivor if the spread drawing in the sand as well where the alliances were and it

1:02:26 Kind of people like she's too smart get her out of here The Challenge it's usually even more so they don't like smart people on the challenge as much as Survivor but Michaela has that combination of both brains and Brawn I think she's quite a physical competitor as well and I'm looking forward to what she can do on the show she could be a sleeper this season coming in I think she could do extremely well it just depends on how much hurt feelings there is between her and some of the vets that were on that season she also had that season I think was Shoal going out there with her and Michelle didn't really stand up for her so I don't know if even her and Michelle are in a good place coming into this season so I just thought oh where she's going to end up with the numbers but I do hope she has a good run and I know that there's a lot of people here in the live that also is very happy to see her come back Chris is saying yes Michaela Christina's saying Michaela with three fire emojis not just one so very I definitely agree with you on that one Christina very happy and then double saying Laura will always have a notepad but nobody would go there go after her for that it's true I think Laurel's a little bit more intimidating than Michaela maybe Michaela's too friendly Christina saying Michaela gotcha screwed by having a sucky guy partner oh yeah that's right she would have won that elimination it was her partner because she they went against Corey lay and he was just massive and it was like a weight thing I think

1:03:47 I remember her partner but I remember feeling like in that elimination she got ripped off with her partner and then the female on the other side got carried by his by hers I agree yeah Michelle Fitzgerald obviously we all know she's been I feel like she's one of those people that are trying to push now on the challenge as one of the main people that we'll see come back often in the future on the main show and I'm not hating it like listen Michelle she this last season tried to go up against the Vets she tried to do something with Amber B did it work was it successful no do I applaud her for trying yes because we need that we need people pushing against the forces that be I just don't know if she's capable I haven't seen her really do much in regards to being able to move people with her convince numbers to come but it's hard to judge it because the people she's going up against have been friends for some of them for a decade yeah I feel like she's been trying to make moves as an outsider and I'm hoping that maybe this season she can I don't know like if she also comes across when she does her things like I applaud the fact that she did try but she just she comes across as a little bit whiny and like not as assured in herself and

1:05:07 She said that in a lot of her confessionals and the way that she's growing as a person as well she's becoming more confident we've talked about how she felt like she was not a worthy winner or Survivor because that's what people told her I look forward to and I don't know if this is just the storyline in my head but I look forward to a season where Michelle can get okay with herself she's not worried about what other people thinking about her and relationships with you know making out with fessi or whatever and having whatever goes down with that she had that thing last season with Laurel where she was like are we good are we not and she just always feels really needy I wanted to stand on her own and go I'm a freaking winner of Survivor I've now been on this show for a number of Seasons I am a veteran on this show and I want to see her try to step into that and really kind of own it and see what she can do like I want to I want to see her take that she takes her shots but own it with confidence and see what that does like a Sarah Lucina like that badass attitude hmm yeah I don't know if she I her personality isn't that I feel like her personality is who she is and I think we're going to get the same version of her out there again but I do think Michelle could become very dangerous in the future if she continues to come back season after season she continues to build friendships with these people she'll

1:06:28 Be a part of that friendship Alliance in five or six seasons from now and sit pretty to get to the end because even if you run a final against Michelle was never really great at immunity challenges she is she won the clutch one at the end that won her season but I remember her struggling a lot of winners at War doing some of the more obstacle course race type of challenges which you have to be good at that stuff when you go on to the challenge you know not everything is going to be a puzzle out on the challenge so I'm a little bit worried for her on that but it's insane that she and her and Jay had some good showings in this last season so maybe I'm being too critical on her W's asking do Michelle and Amanda still have beef I think they probably would like I just feel like Amanda is that kind of person that wouldn't let things go I feel like she still definitely has that beef Christina's saying I just hope Michelle Mccalla and dizzy become a Survivor boss lady group I hope so as well I hope Michaela's okay with Michelle and with Dizzy obviously the next person I really have no opinions on Monty Taylor I know he was in that season with Taylor the one and I think they were hooking up at one point but they're not to give after the season so there might have been some messiness with that whole relationship and he might not have been a stand-up guy I'm not too sure so in the lie for those that have watched the season of Big Brother 24 are you excited to see this guy come on and play the

1:07:48 Show Chris is the first one in so I'll pull her comment up first by far in capitals the worst person on this cast with three x Jacob is saying Monty is such an you pick would have made rather had Joseph then Monte Joseph is the one who's actually dating Taylor now I've noticed that I don't know what they were thinking with that choice so he seems to be like that player type of guy I feel like he did her dirty or something Monte was a huge dick to Taylor yeah so not excited move on next person I know this is why everybody came to the live stream they wanted to know Kahuna what do you and I think of Mr Kelly Fury making his long-awaited return to the challenge go no and I'll let you go first you can you can butter up the live a little bit before I go in with my hot take on this butter up the live I don't I don't know because I'm not a fan of poorly I hated him I hated him bettering them up life is going to agree with you yeah but again like you know I said before I don't like my relationship with Amanda is that over the years as I've come to appreciate villains for their villainy I know Paulie is in that but I didn't have the same view of him I just saw him first of all I saw him as an to people which I hate but I also saw him be

1:09:08 Incredibly cocky so much so and then just completely like choke multiple times the first season he was on he went in and out of the house like four or five times kept getting eliminated and was in the Redemption house or whatever it is so that saved his ass multiple times yes he kept winning his way back in but he also kept losing his way out which I hated and then when he finally got power and was actually running things strategically like very well actually he did a very good job against the people that I like that's why I didn't like him that season but then he completely just choked it falling off the net and in the finals just really ruining his team and talked the biggest game you've ever seen and sort of on the challenge and didn't live up to the hype yeah it's interesting the comments that are coming in here so far is all positive Paulie is going to be a villain and I'm honestly here for his return from Jacob Chris is saying oh I'm actually excited for Paulie bring back good TV Christina saying I hope that without Cara and Kyle he'll at least be tolerable and I think that's also one of the reasons why a lot of people really dislike Paulie in that time was because there was such a big storyline in that love triangle that even for me as a Cara fan I was like yeah this is cringe I'm over the storyline let's just move on from it so I'm

1:10:28 Excited to see there's a couple times where I felt like Kyle and Paul poorly got along but because of Cara he had you know like at the Oscars last year like Will Smith was laughing at the joke originally but then when he saw Jada Pinkett angry that's when he got up and did the slap and I feel like poorly had that with he's like oh it's funny but Cara's like give him a death so it's like hey we're fighting we're not cool because one of the things look at me I think one of the things about Paulie from what I've seen in his interviews and when he talks about the game and that is that he doesn't want to take the game outside of the game he wants the game to be the game he wants to play this villain game I think this again to again give a shout out to Drew really had him picked down on his documentary when he compared him to the Joker and he said that Paulie wanted to be the Joker of the challenge you know so go and listen to that documentary and you know because apparently a lot of and I didn't even see it like even the way he dressed at the reunion was kind of like the joke of the same type of suit and everything that he tried to impersonate that person within the challenge but it was like slightly off from where he wanted to be but with the Mind Games and psychology but the Joker actually had plans that made sense until the end where Paul is kind of like Paulie was great at getting to the end but then winning a final is a different strategy that is needed

1:11:48 So but I'm excited because you know what with Paulie he's got something to prove people have been calling him out speaking about him well he's not in the game there to defend himself now he can go out there and try and prove himself this season I do hope that he does what he said he was going to do which is to take out the power structure and the challenge because I don't think Paul is a number for bananas I don't think he's a number for the Vets I think he's someone that's going to be an agent of chaos this season and I'm here for it I'm here for anyone that's gonna upset the apple card and I'm happy to see him go there without Cara this season as well Lauren's asking Napoleon Facey friends I don't know but I feel like they would get along the problem is that I think fessie is going to work with the bananas and the joshuas of this world and that vet Alliance so they may not even if they do get along they might not be on the same place I've just got a feeling Paulie's going to get through it he's going to get thrown in early on an elimination this season they're gonna they're gonna throw him in early you know what I'd be worried about with poorly that he you know in getting his foot back in the door as a chance at Redemption to get back on the show regularly does he play nice and boring not ruffle feathers because by all accounts depending on who you ask like whether it's going against the established stars or the way that he went

1:13:08 Against established stars and then there was also reports of like his mental health after the fact as well so maybe he's gonna just try to like I need to get back on this show I want to be I'm not going to go against bananas because that's how I lost it last time depending who you ask I'm not going to be a dick to people because that's how I lost it last time depending on who you ask and I'm gonna do things that are going to keep me ingratiated Kara Marie is back on All Stars I'm on USA maybe this is our chance to kind of get back in with the family and keep it nice and pleasant I don't know he the last time that what he was doing last time got him exiled for multiple years so we'll see but I think it was I don't think it was again I don't think it was because of what happened in the game I think it's because of the claims people made that he hit Josh after the game and his argument as well because I do think that the producers did like bringing him back at that point until this whole thing happened outside of the game and they're like oh wow he's physically attacking people outside of the game we probably need to stop this the players are now afraid to play against them that took him out which was a if he didn't do it I don't know if he did or if he didn't but if he didn't do it's a dirty move by the people to get him exiled from the game in such a manner but one of the other things I heard him say was that you guys think that mental thing was true but I had to do psych tests for big brother I had to do psych tests for The Challenge from the start like if there

1:14:28 Was something wrong they would have found it seasons ago they never found anything my tests were always clean hey maybe a test after doing multiple seasons of The Challenge could look very interesting like we saw we saw how it affected Cara Maria over the seasons of being bullied and exiled and she got to a point where she started kicking back you know and it changed her personality also in a way where a lot of people didn't like it you know so it's going to be interesting but it's going to give us the podcast that's in the viewers something to talk about when he goes back so I'm excited for it W's saying I'm curious how Paul he is without Kara agreed ninja was the liability in that final he did finish the final after all no justice for former Karma Maria called members Zach taking a break also screwed Karis called over bananas isn't worth protecting the amount of trash poorly talked on Twitter and podcasts about vacation Alliance no way he plays nice let's hope so because that would be such a lead down be such a letdown it's just a shame we didn't get Herman turbo in the same season because I feel like turbo needed poorly out there when he went back because he had no one that was willing to fight the good fight with him next person is Tiffany Mitchell she kind of felt flat for me on the previous season but she was likable as a personality but she wasn't The Mastermind strategist that she was in Big Brother 23 so I'm going to be very interested to see

1:15:48 How she does on this next season coming back yeah complete non-factor for me in the last season I was like oh yeah I remember her so when that when I say that I'm like oh it didn't really make much of an impact on me so let's hope she can have a better season but I will say this Tiffany has got an awesome personality so I know why they're bringing her back if you watch the Winners Circle podcast which is the podcast that Cody calafuri and Derek I can't even pronounce his last name but Derek and Cody has this podcast that they started they're both winners of Big Brother she's become like a third person who's now almost like a Mainstay on their podcast I'm not too sure if anybody is aware of that podcast and Tiffany is so much fun in that Dynamic and I became an even bigger fan of Tiffany listening to that podcast when they were covering the traitors that Cody played in I think she's got such a cool personality so I'm happy to see Tiffany come back for one more season to see what she's got Tori yeah I mean listen that's a new face Story the new the new face of the challenge right sorry now that she's won at least Cara Marie is allowed to come back and do

1:17:08 The challenge okay you've got one good thing that's the one good thing that's the one good thing about Tory winning and people don't like Tori I don't have a problem I've always liked Tori I know I just said that out loud didn't I Chris maybe Ice Baby ice is with you yeah there you go it's always things you know I'm not necessarily Stan I just don't get the hate like from the get-go she came in and created amazing television by cheating on the most boring person ever who's crappy at the show and hooked up with an absolute goat Legend like that was automatic strategy genius from her right ditching Derek to get with Jordan is going to guarantee you that you're on this show for the next five years and then from the get-go she was physically very capable she carried her partner in that season and then for me the big thing was the whole brawl with Jenny this truck to like just completely that was impressive yeah so like I've she's always been physically capable she knows how to talk to a camera she doesn't really cause waves and I know for some people that's boring she gets a lot of the relationship drama and this season on Championship she's obviously being incredibly annoying about Jordan and not

1:18:28 Voting him in and all that but she's a very stable and strong competitor who you know gives good confessionals you see I'm with Lauren on this I don't love Tori but I also don't hate her I'm just yeah Matt on Tori because yes she is a good competitor but I would much rather see stronger females out there that are not willing to take a step back to the men in the house so like Sarah this season which I know people don't like Sarah but Sarah's like I don't care if you're bananas you're the Godfather of the challenge I'm playing this game for me and I feel like Tori is that kind of person she's agreeable she moves with the flow of the house she doesn't stand her own ground that's why I stand Cara Maria because she is combative she's somebody there will go against the house you know she calls it out when TJ talks about bananas being a legend and so great at the game she calls him out for not saying she's great at the game because she's made a bunch of finals as well and she's also good at strategizing to the end game those are the type of women I want on the game and one woman there don't feel like they have to be an attachment to Jordan's game or bananas game or you know I guess I'm a little bit critical but she did stand up against couple of seasons ago who's the pardon this last season I believe forgot his name now they're just one with her Devin her and Devon had a bit of an argument a couple of seasons ago will she

1:19:49 Try to play her own game so maybe I'm being too critical but I sometimes feel like she's too agreeable hey she stands up to her own partner in this season laughs yeah I don't know like what more do you want from other like what do you want to do she gets to the end her strategy whether you like it or not she gets to finals she goes deep every season and it's because of the relationships yes and she made a good choice by hooking up with Jordan and she with fiancee's she immediately like you know how you said before that after a few more seasons maybe five or six Michelle Fitzgerald will be just one of the alumni vets that's in that same Circle Tori likes supercharged that process she's like in one scene she went I'll hook up with Jordan and now automatically I'm a stable veteran that's just because of relationship by proxy she's now got all these relationships and she got Incredibly Close to Anissa who is a long time 20-year vet obviously got very close with Devin so she's made friends that I don't think he's a calculated thing but she has chosen relationships and friendships that saw her be really better down as a Mainstay of the show and I can't hate on that yeah

1:21:09 Oh listen she's okay I mean it's worse people they could have put out there it's just like I said I kind of don't feel either or from that I'm happy to wait out this season that she's currently on somebody just earlier said here baby I said Tori Gets another one we're putting her on the goatless who knows she might get that one stall in this Challenge USA season and she would be a two-time champion which is up there with Janae you know it's one of the best and Kara Maria and Evelyn and all of those because there's not many female because Laurel the challenge the challenge has this thing right now where they don't like to bring back Champion females often or give them an opportunity to Bull on that they win one and they don't bring them back you know so I'd be I'd be good with that I'd be good with that all right so the next person here on the list is Tyler Crispin Tyler when he played his first season was with Casey Kahuna he ran That season it was really Tyler's Tyler season to win Casey got to the End by being aligned with him and with Angela and that Alliance but Tyler's brain power and strategic Powers is the one that got them there but at the end his social game which he didn't have a bad social game I still sometimes look at that Big Brother season and I think to myself how did he lose that because Casey was just that likable and people voted for the person they like more but it wasn't like he was necessarily unlikable

1:22:30 I think that Tyler coming in is very interesting because they've asked them to come and play the game a lot and he's always said no for many seasons now so why suddenly now is he happy to come and play The Challenge he was a and I wonder if it has something to do with the fact that when he came back in All Stars he had I mean I say you had a below average performance but he still got pretty deep I think it was like four six on that season which isn't bad but his heart wasn't in the game at all because Angela was at home and now him and Angela have broken up he's a free man maybe he wants to come back and prove that he is really a good game player and I do think he is a good game player so Tyler could be underestimated he's greater challenges as well he was I mean I know Big Brother challenges are not necessarily the same as the challenges on the challenge but from memory he won like half off his alliances challenges vetoes and hohs and things like that so he's not only strategically good but he's also fit Kona well as much as my knowledge of him and how far I go back with Tyler Chrisman and his big brother Seasons I really appreciate his no sleeves and his headband which is the extent of my knowledge of Tyler here new bandana King yeah so that's what he's going to bring to the table I'm all for it why not but

1:23:51 Yeah like I don't know like based on reputation alone what you've told me in the fact that Angela put on such a good showing not that means anything I guess but I'm starting to respect even though I've not seen any of big brother I'm starting to respect the caliber of performers they cut they get they have coming through yeah Chris Chrissy is saying Tyler and Tori have so much in common both of ex-fiance's who have been on the challenge Tyler's gonna be with Josh's crew and will probably be boring unless he breaks off from them and works on his own that's the problem it's like is he gonna take a backseat on the strategy or is he also going to have like because what made him really good at Big Brother was that he had alliances on both sides of the aisle and he was like always the one with the options but now he's coming into an alliance that is being brought into so I don't know if he's gonna be able to do that Chris says Tyler sucks how he goes early Chris I don't agree with you I don't think he follows their bed like I know he I know that in this season he kind of put us his foot in his mouth a few times or what is this saying like he said the wrong things and that but I don't like at his court I don't think he's a bad person I think he's a decent player as well Jacob I think Tyler will do really well competitively I think so Angela rumin's is his ex oh I should have cast her for drama yeah it would have been spicy because those

1:25:11 Two when they were in the Big Brother house and they started dating they did not leave each other's sight apparently until he went back to go play All-Stars for big brother and the whole thing was he was Caster to come back and she wasn't and that's why he because he tried to get her on he actually said no to All Stars first because they didn't want to cast her and then they were like okay cool we don't need you back and then he's like okay I will do it because Angela wanted him to do it but they were very tight I heard Angela's probably not going to be coming back yeah she's not been happy with production she's not gonna be especially the way that she was let go at the end I think she left a bad taste in her mouth both heard Tyson I feel like think they're above it yeah that's the attitude they've kind of got to this it's not necessarily great but yeah Jacob's saying I think Angela lives in a different country right now could be Tom McPherson saying oh just joined time to rewind and see what I've missed yeah go and have a look it was a bit of Survivor in the beginning Tom reality realness saying Tyler deserved the win over Casey I agree I thought I thought he played a better game than her and I felt like when Tyson lost that one I was like are we getting into the era now with the person who placed the most risky game and actually plays will never win the game anymore because we had a couple of winners like that where they were winning the game similar to Josh winning over Paul and

1:26:31 Her season I was like Josh is not the better player out of the two Jacob's saying Tyson not coming back is so tragic yeah I agree I don't think Thailand Angela ended very positively I doubt they want to be on TV together yep some rumors out there I don't know if any of them are true about cheating Lauren's saying Tyson shouldn't be asked back no quitters allowed it's fair I've seen a few people saying that I still think Tyson's a great TV I'd probably still give him still given the benefit of the doubt if he wanted to but I don't think we see Tyson back sadly again I don't think he wants to come back on that one yeah I'd have Tyson back on any show put him on like yeah something on like a main HBO drama just put touch them on my TV I'll take it but yeah he did not like that season and he talks so much crap about the producers as well all right lastly the last person who is rumored to be on the cast before the Alternatives we can quickly browse through them as well Wes Bergman I think no surprise to us he had the motivational speech to the newbies at the end of his elimination saying that they are now a part of the challenge family so clearly you know probably got himself into this next Challenge USA cast because they're like well this is the kind of Mentor we want out there and I've got to say if we had to have an island of Idols coach

1:27:51 Situation for the challenge I would want Wes out there I think West could be one of those people that could breed and Coach entertaining new challenges on the show so I really love Wes I'm always Stan I'm happy to see him back yeah Wes is absolutely one of the best people to have for that very reason bananas himself has said on this season to his own partner I don't talk to new people like that I don't get in like but West is constantly reaching out to the rookies and not just from I think I don't think it's just from a selfish gaming point of view like bananas always accuses him of just trying to reach out to the rookies to build his Alliance but I think he genuinely sees the benefit of passing the torch and building up other players for the purpose of enriching the show as a whole like making more better people he knows what he did he sees the he sees the angles he knows what human bananas have been through and the way they work with producers and I'm sure that Wes based on the way he talks about the show the way he talks about people on the show as much as he has personal things sometimes he also sees the bigger picture of the show itself and wants people to do well I think yeah I'm happy with that a lot of people commenting on West being back so Carlos saying

1:29:11 We're about to get that diaper money because whis is going to become a daddy congratulations to Mr and Mrs Bergman for that great news Jacob's saying I hope West does well and win yeah I'd like another West one I want West to like it hurts me that bananas has won more than Wes Christina saying Wes unlike bananas always brings quality TV I agree even if he goes early it's going to be exciting Chris is a bit bored by all these people returning each season we have seen a lot of West lately yeah but if you had to choose between like a Wes a bananas and a Darrell it's gonna be worse right West bring more excitement than those so they got all three so they got all three baby eyes I need Wes and Johnny team up once more yeah it could be fun we just need bananas to be a little bit more entertaining can't say no couldn't allowed when Jay is back what did wait what did Jay do again what did Jay do I can't remember Jay quitting he's like I mean either I thought he's like no quit he's the one like BCT and eliminations didn't Rogan quit in his first season when he was like last and then he came back to winter season I feel like Rogan quit on a I don't think he quit I think he just got eliminated cramped up or something yeah Jacob says this is a player with a producer's mindset I agree

1:30:31 They need to get him on the show afterwards if he doesn't compete Jacob that's what makes him so good incoming full-time Champion like that Lauren's saying Jay shouldn't be within 100 feet off the challenge so there's something about Jay Gotti got you got you Jay Gotti is back on All Stars four yeah he quit with Jenna when they had to do the food challenge yes yeah I listen hot take on this one right I feel like we as a society should learn to forgive and let go sometimes when it comes to the stuff like this person at this one time on the show at a weak moment yes blame them for it but I like giving people a chance to come back give it a red hot crack like Jay coming back I bet you Jay's not quitting anything this season I bet you that I mean to like shipping these later yeah like I mean should we really be like blaming people for I know we're all big fans we don't want people to go out there and not like do the best that they can but there's other people that have quit as well that are like favorites of the challenge right let me quickly have a look at the challenge All-Stars season one right we had who's that girl that was afraid Katie Cooley who's such a big fan of like the old school Seasons right people love Katie

1:31:52 She quits on anything with Heights oh yeah Darrell puts on Heights like where do we draw the line where do we draw the line if someone doesn't want to do it and they're like no you know like I don't know like I just feel give people a chance Jade didn't drink the drink yeah I remember that we know team Chris is team Jay let's go Chris is Justified choosing him on hard drive hey Jay's about to win that season Chantal let's see people love Katie and Katie doesn't do the high challenges and I was and it was a good pickles the reason Katie doesn't do the challenge the high challenge is every time she does she smashes her face and gets like a broken nose or whatever Chantel's coming from my throat here yeah so anyways I'm happy I'm happy to see West back alternates these people we don't know if they'll make it Kayla and Cinco from last season listen I'm Michaela fan Kayla's been on the podcast before she's very friendly to talk to in the DMS and stuff like that so I'm always happy for her to be in the conversation as a fan of the challenge so I'm not angry at seeing her but I guess there'll be some people who wouldn't be happy with her quitting at the end as well and not finishing or did she finish I feel like Sarah Lucina was the only one who finished last season for the woman and Danny was the only person

1:33:12 To finish for them in yeah maybe so but I'm okay with that Cinco was fun last season I feel like Cinco should have been ahead of some of these vets coming back like I would have rather seen Cinco than Darrell this season yes he had some promise last season I would have liked to have seen how he would do without cachet being out there yeah absolutely he looked like he could really do some stuff physically as well like if we're worried about challenges for fessie and stuff like that Cinco could have been the big you know the big horse that you put up against fesi kind of thing when you need at least one Big Bopper to go against each other I definitely think Cinco and even Kayla I think could have been on the in front of maybe like some of the people we've seen a lot recently maybe just to continue to build that Persona or Legend around her who else do we have here Hannah chatter from Big Brother 23 and Joseph abdon Joseph was mentioned earlier and people were saying that he should have been ahead of the person that they did end up choosing from That season who cheated on Taylor or even having them both out there would have been interesting just because they kind of have both sort of seen the same goal I think could have been an interesting Dynamic but a lot of people I've seen online say have said that Joseph is too nice of a guy maybe a bland personality wise

1:34:32 So maybe that's why they didn't go with him but he's in the conversation and then Hannah if I remember correctly in chat you can correct me if I'm wrong I believe she's half South African like so I mean I've got to support you know that I got a support header just based on the fact that I'm South African so I'm it's a shame she's not there but I don't know how she would have done on the physical stuff on the challenge really because again I didn't watch that whole season but I don't remember her being a beast at the physical stuff she come in with automatic like diplomatic immunity no she did not Chris going to trying his best South African accent there Chris to say Joseph was more boring but Monty is the worst person yeah said he says I understand Keller but I don't understand Lulu as alternates let's have a look so Lulu is also in the conversation kylan's also kailand how did kylan not make the season like I know some people who don't like kylan but I thought Colin was like pretty solid if you only look at this Challenge USA season last season he did he had a good season he should have been in there as well for sure I think Colin should have been above like a bananas like just bring Colin back give a young give a new young person a new person who want and you know Colin once it's so bad he wants to be a part of the main show so let him in a Stripes again

1:35:52 I heard that he was dropped last minute for The Challenge USA as well potentially for Ben oh really okay there's some rumors out there yeah he was an alternate for World Championship was he maybe that I heard some rumors I don't know how true it is but you know so it's twice now and then Lulu from The Amazing Race 33 Lulu and Lala was a lot of fun I love both of them I've also interviewed both of them on the channel they're super friendly I don't know how she's going to translate if she was to play how she would translate to the challenge no idea great personality yeah having a lot of fun it doesn't feel like a challenger though right no I just don't know if it's the right fit I'd rather see Lulu gun do Survivor but I don't know if she wants to do Survivor although to be sure I said the same thing about Kayla and Leo I thought they weren't challenges but I think they had a I mean he had Leah had a good season he it didn't perform well but he had a fun season on TV Jacob here saying I think Colin being an alternate is a big mess he delivers strategy and competitiveness and he's a fan of the show I agree with that so yeah there we have it those are the people that are rumored to be on The Challenge USA having had a look at that cast knowing

1:37:12 That apparently this is only going to be on Paramount plus not CBS this time from what I've seen because obviously they've got some people that are not CBS previous players how do you feel about the show do you think it's going to be another slam dunk season do you think we're going to see some explosiveness I feel like there's potential right this there's some concerns but there's definitely enough potential in the season as well with who they've casted yeah for sure I'm I'm interested to see how it plays out with the MTV vets coming in because we've said that's a little bit funny as well when I know you're not a fan of that you want to keep USA separate so it becomes that breeding ground for the main show but I am interested to see how especially coming off of a season like World Championships where we're now currently seeing Johnny or bananas not having his way and people standing up to him and then rolling into a season like this does it become again like where well I've just come off that season I know I'm not going to have the same sway the same where I just go hey I'm bananas do what I say kind of thing so maybe it might be a little bit different he might come in you know they might be coming and going I realize this is not the MTV version where we are the automatic Kings with him and Wes and Darrell and the Vets maybe we do need to play hard I hope it's an explosive season like that so it's

1:38:34 It's interesting I actually read a really interesting article today which I thought was fascinating I'm not sure where it goes because I've heard some people say that they were a bit worried about bringing the MTV people onto the CBS version and the fact that it's not even on CBS for that matter means that it might be worrying signs for the flagship and maybe even MTV as a whole because I think they're trying to find a new home potentially for the show for the show and if that's the case then this is probably a good thing it means that they're seeing that even if they believe that MTV is in itself because basically now MTV is the ridiculous Channel with the challenge every now and then the challenging team mum and then Ridiculousness the rest of the time right so they just show one show over and over and over again and it's not really the show the channel that generates new shows constantly anymore and if MTV does kind of go by the wayside it shows that the CBS and Viacom see something in the challenge and they're trying to put it on a new platform so it does have a future Beyond MTV which I thought was an interesting take it's interesting because we know that all TV shows are moving to more digital platforms

1:39:54 When our streaming is becoming bigger we know that having like even maybe in the potential Seasons like the spoilers are out there so quickly like you have to really work to dodge them right so I work very hard to dodge them most of the time I post them ghost on Twitter now because Twitter is not safe you try and like you know just unblock and mute as many people as you can but there's always people popping up you know so now I'm very much posting ghost posting ghost and I as soon as I think anybody's trying to spoil I try and stay out of it because it's not fun for me to know the results of any of these Seasons but maybe the answer to this is to have seasons just drop on Paramount plus and just having all the episodes out there for Content creators it's gonna suck because you don't have that week to digest and talk about it and engage with fans of the show about it but I think that the future is streaming services and having episodes there it's kind of where everybody is going you know normal cable TV is just not doing as well it's struggling so I'm not surprised that they're trying to find a home for the show so you might you might be onto something there we just lost Kahuna there I think again Sandy's saying I just hope that these CBS people don't just pay for the MTV vids and Target them ASAP I agree with you on that I do hope that we see some competitiveness

1:41:15 From the CBS players the problem that I have when you've got half and half Seasons like they have here and this happens on survival all the time as well which is why I don't like half and half seasons on Survivor is that when you bring veterans or returning players back they've got something they've got a commonality that bonds them together that makes them a big alliance with the new players coming in you do have some Seasons now of big brother and Survivor but there's less that bonds them together as this Force against the returning players so I feel like there's a good chance that the MTV players will just take the lead via the fact that they're gonna have each other's back and be like we can't have these new kids played the game and outwit us you know out here so that's my fear for it any final thoughts there kuna before we end this live stream it's been great going over all this news from the week let me let me run one thing Blake because I found I thought it was a really interesting thing what we've just done now with the cast assessment and going through a website that has the spoilers like gamerv on Twitter and all that is constantly doing this do you think there's an opportunity for NTV CBS Viacom whatever every season the cast gets spoiled every season we see photos at the airport every season we see the list and then it's up to podcasts and stuff to break it down could they take advantage of it and

1:42:35 Actually have either a live event or even a show event at the airport where people actually first start we've got a legend of the game seven time winner the goat Johnny Bananas and then you do a little bit of a red carpet interview and you actually reveal the cast as part of the show like make it a thing where like it seems like here's an opportunity for the TV show where people are obviously trying to find this sort of thing yeah try to create hype we're interested in it we want to be into it and they let the internet take it they let the internet take it all and just claim it when there's a chance there to actually get more content out of it rather than two episodes of reunion why not have an episode of appreci pre-season you know what I mean like to do a little bit of that into it and have a big reveal as to who's going in I know it might be a few months before the final Show's edited and that if they want everybody knows like all the hardcore fans know any case and I think the other the other thing that it sort of brings up is that should we have like second chances format for the challenge where the audience gets to vote which one of these three Legends do you want to see this season Darrell you know Jordan or bananas or Wes which one would you want to vote into the game this time you know so get it more interactive with the fans so the fans have a say which one of these big brother players between

1:43:55 Jesse Archer Jesse fessie you know Casey and Josh only one of these three can make it vote for the one you want to see it or something like that where you create these hype of it you know which player do you want to bring back from the edge that have not been on for like 10 seasons and you have you know Evelyn out there versus Cara Maria versus you know like do something it's something you can do the fans are there the fans want to engage so I think it's a brilliant idea kuna and I also think that it is a great way for us to end this live stream we'll be back to talk about more Challenge and survival content in the near future but Chris agrees with you says I agree we need things to make the show more fun and make us want to talk about it online maybe I says viewers Choice challenge facie will never be back because the sad face baby eyes is the only person who said about that but yeah I think that there's a lot more that we could talk about but this has been a great live stream such a great impromptu live stream I'm so happy that we had about 40 people watching us consistently live throughout this stream as well taking part in the conversation so clearly I could see people love this so we need to do more of these just impromptu live streams and talk about some topics that are not necessarily related to the episodes that are happening as the season continues but if you love this consider subscribing if you're new to the channel we've got plenty more Survivor content Australian Survivor content and challenge content dropping out on the next couple of days and

1:45:15 For now I'm just gonna say goodbye thank you so much have a great evening and we'll talk to you guys towards the end of the week bye