Star Wars: Ahsoka Season Review

0:00 Hello everyone and welcome back to the nullify take channel here on YouTube where we've got the TNT takes for you except it's the TM take the monkey take but there's a slight change of plans it's the grand adal monkey take tonight baby I'm your host mcky and tonight I'm joined by two very special guests I'll start off with the legend on the right he has been one of my best mates ever since I first started working at your local pack and save don't know how it started but I remember asking him to cover my shift so I can go to a YouTube concert and he said yes straight away and ever since it's blossomed into a very beautiful friendship it is Darth Adam how are you amazing yeah just amazing I forgot about the you two thing you do you like you two I love you two you two's my favorite band rip Adam all right our friendship is just done anyways and we're also joined by another very great friend which I met him through Adam but it feels like I've known him my whole life it is the Jedi

1:20 Master Harry how are you bro yes very good very good canina start talking about Star Wars clips and yeah no I just want to say thank you guys so much for coming on to talk about the sooka with me stars has been something I've wanted to talk about so long but Chris has always been like no we're all about you know relative TV relative TV but The Wheel of Time on our Channel I'm not sure if you guys have seen that show but it's been doing extremely well and he's podcasting about it the podcast been doing well so he gave me an opportunity to talk about Star Wars and YouTube were the first two people I really wanted to chat to so thank you very much me both for coming on thank you for having us I guess yeah thank you I guess just to kick things off Adam what is your history with Star Wars what sort of made you to be a big fan I think my dad introduced me to sty was really young at a really maybe six or seven years of age started watching Star Wars and it just kind of stuck especially when the Clone Wars came out that was perfect timing in my childhood to come home from school and watch Clone Wars and you know it's got plenty of Seasons plenty of episodes to

2:40 Watch so that really filled up my time and then they released the new stuff which I have mixed feelings about but it's a continuation of my childhood so I'm still largely supportive of it but you know it's not the it's not the greatest but we may do with what we've got it is quite interesting hey how I feel like it's hard to get into Star Wars as an adult but as a kid it's so easy to get into it because you've got like the lightsaber fights which is you know it's just cool to watch you've got you know the Star battles and everything and it's quite especially the original trilogy is quite a basic story but it's so easy to love I think Lego helped oh yeah Lego sty Wars I think also because I was a big Lego fan as a kid as well so when those to cross paths it was yeah big time over I'm spending lots of money on billion dollar Star Wars franchise buying Legos yeah no I love Legos I would get back into it but it's too expensive yeah no me too me too how about you Harry what is your experience with Star Wars how did you sort of get into the franchise yeah so I was more family watching

4:01 The movies at like Christmas and watching the trilogies as like a run with the family and it was more for me it was more playing again with the Lego Star Wars games oh so good quality games I love the Lego Star Wars games they were so good but yeah I didn't really watch the Clone Wars or any of that more into the movies not the new ones not the not the ray ones not so into those ones it's quite funny how I feel like for a while it was always Trilogy against the preal trilogy but now both sides have just come together to justra on yeah it's like the clip from Ted where the two guys are like screaming and like above each other in the apartments start screaming yeah well look you know aoka has wrapped up this week all Eight Episodes we'll do a bit of a non-spoiler section so for those who haven't seen Ahsoka yet you can kind of get a brief taste of what Ahsoka is like and then you can come back later once you've seen the series to check out more spoiler content but Harry you quite literally just recently finished watching yes what's your thoughts on

5:21 The show as a whole yeah I thought it was I thought it was pretty good some of the CG was a bit iffy inside Parts but overall I thought it was fine the cinematography was fine I had some issues with some of the characters because I haven't seen the Clone Wars so I thought oh this character seems a bit useless but obviously I don't have that history to tell me that character is actually important but just from watching just the new series of SOA by itself I did have some questions about it yeah and how about you Adam I know that you're a massive Clone Wars fan and Ahsoka is one of the biggest characters from The Clone Wars series so do you feel like the show like lived up to the hype of the continuation of her story no I don't really think so at all no I was it's okay I think actually one thing I really like sorry disliked about the patril of Ahsoka it's kind of more of the choreography of the lightsaber battles I liked how they went I like how they played out I disliked the way Ahsoka

6:41 Kind of looked though she seemed a bit sluggish and I feel like in the Clone Wars she was always known as being a very agile quick fast Jedi and then in this she's I mean I guess yeah she's older but she seems sluggish and I thought that was a bit of a let down I liked her more in the Clone Wars definitely but of the overall series I'd probably give it a pretty average rating average yeah okay I personally thought it was a great show I'm someone who has been a bit disappointed from some of the Star Wars shows previously I feel like Mando season 3 was a we bit of a disaster with nothing literally the final episode the book OFA I was so hyped for but I was pretty disappointed the whole way through obiwan I was mostly disappointed and all I found pretty boring but with ahoka I feel like it was a breath of fresh air almost where I feel like the story of the show overall was very cons very consistent but very fastpac throughout and it felt like I was watching a movie almost what's your guys thoughts on that

8:01 I thought it was slow I don't think it was very fastpac okay were a bit far too many shots of Ahsoka standing there like just staring into the distance for seconds and then we pan into like a different shot with very minimal dialogue yes swipes SC typical St true how about you Harry what's your what's your thoughts yeah just about the I actually don't mind when they slow it down on shots of the space and actual the space like battling but I did find the a lot of the spaceship sort of fighting was a bit DED down compared to the some of the movies like there would just be a like the final ship that we see yeah it's a real is yeah it's a bit not big enough for me for a Star Wars type show it's meant to be you know across the whole galaxy didn't really but yeah none of the I don't know I feel like if you thought Storm Troopers couldn't aim also whatever they're flying in a sooka they also cannot aim because no one gets really

9:21 Shot down I mean there's a there's a bit in I can't remember which episode oh or should we save this for the spoiler part yeah I trying spoil anything by saying it yeah I mean there's a couple times where people would be standing one spot and then the fighters would come in aim for that one spot that would hit like five or 10 met to the I forgot what episode it was but there were yeah Fighters that strafed their location ahsoka's location on multiple occasions and missed every single time so that's a great continuation from the storm troop is not being hit which I appreciated yeah it's quite like a consistent meme almost and something they're quite liked in the Mandalorian season one there's an episode where you know on fellow kiwi directors ta white he directed an episode and he had a whole five minute clip of just these two Scout Troopers just like trying to shoot something on the ground but they keep missing it's like right in front of them they might as well embrace it at this point because it's essential to every single Star Wars production ever that the Stormtroopers cannot shoot otherwise

10:42 There'd be some very a very small franchise yeah absolutely there is just to still the non-spoiler section for a bit but will quite soon go off into un spoilers I feel like this isn't really a standalone show I feel like this is a season five of the previously animated show Rivers because a lot of the main characters Sabine her Chopper is there the villain that's potentially you know rumored to come back through he's obviously in rbbl how did you guys feel because I don't believe either of you have seen rbbl is that correct no I haven't how did you guys feel that the show did sort of introducing you guys the to these characters did you feel like you kind of knew them and the dynamic the dynamic and everything really well or yeah I felt like it did I felt like it established decently well I thought they kind of told us about the past and what happened with isra relatively decently not that I was really that intrigued by it but for someone to know and continue the story and the plot it was done well how about you Harry because

12:02 Obviously you haven't seen much of the Clen War either I feel like it would be more impactful just the entire experience if I had have seen the Clone Wars because a lot of the characters I didn't really understand what their purpose was like Hera's son he seemed to have I didn't really explain what his connection to the force was I didn't really understand that yeah so there were some elements where I was like oh I don't really understand why this character is again as important as they are but I feel if I had done suitable research it would have been yeah it would have been more clear but Lu I had I had you guys to tell me as I was afterward we've always got your back Harry we've always got you back right now that is the end of our nons spoilers section because we all haven't really ched much about like some of the spoilers on the show like just a three of us I'm excited to get into that so for those who have not seen Ahsoka you don't want to any spoilers just a heads up we're going into spoilers we're gonna do episode 1 to four first and then we'll jump into 5 to eight so I feel like the even though it's the same story I feel like it's two different blocks of stories okay so let's

13:22 Let's get it rolling boys so Adam I know that you are a old rep public fan yes what did you think of the opening scene of having Balin and Shen hatti come in their star fighter and then just annihilate everyone what was your thoughts on that excellent great phenomenal yeah I enjoyed it very much I think I enjoy people getting annihilated as much as the next person but in particular this time it was very enjoyable and entertaining and it lived up to the glory of the Old Republic it really did it really did I don't know much about the Old Republic I knew kind of what it was but was only earlier this year I started getting really into it you know watching The Cinematic stuff on YouTube and trying to follow more of the story and immediately when I saw the scene I immediately compared to when Darth Malgus first showed up and he's fighting the death mirin and that chck Hera I think that's the name her I'm not sure but yeah it was just such a great scene like just such a great action and I thought that it was such a similar moment it was so badass it was so great how about

14:42 How about you Harry what did you think of the scene I thought I thought the first actual couple episodes were decently forgettable I don't really remember a lot of them but I remember I like the Old Republic because I'd seen it in one of the games for the I forgot the name it's the most recent Star Wars game I remember seeing them and I thought oh they it's pretty sweet pretty cool so when they showed up I was like oh I vaguely know what this is and I saw obviously as Adam said before watching a whole bunch of people get decimated is obviously I feel like they really perfectly seted up their characters as well cuz quite often especially in the Disney Star Wars I feel the vill aren't actually that powerful unless if it's a pre-existing character that's been you know sent over from the Clone Wars I feel like we haven't really seen their power like them being that powerful like snoke for example in the sequel Trilogy he was meant to be really powerful but then you know he was killed off pretty quick kylo Ren was a bit of a mixture in my opinion and obviously in some of the you know shows I feel the villains haven't really been that great and this you know if it's like you know Darth vade or something like someone from

16:02 Beforehand but I feel like as brand new characters bin and shin really did set up like their character Dynamic and just how powerful they really were just through this one opening scene yeah no well I mean I really enjoyed the two of them I think they are two of or of the top five best characters probably to come out of the new Star Wars series m i agree how about how about you Harry without diving too much towards the end of the show with this first you know four episodes what was your thoughts on shin huti and Balin as brand new Star Wars characters yeah I thought they were pretty cool it seemed like they had a lot of history to them that was really intriguing and you wanted to know more about their relationship and how they interacted and why they were there and it was a little mysterious knowing that he was a ex Jedi yeah and he had converted so that was really interesting and it was making me want to learn more about how and why he wants to train this pedan I guess yeah something really interesting in terms of Star Wars law so some of the lightsaber colors kind of like show

17:22 What type of character they are so if it's you know blue or green you're like you know your a if it's R obviously Sith you know Samuel Al Jackson need a purple one the main reason because he just wanted purple one and geord gave one but was like Legion behind it was that M Wu tempers with the dark side a lot you know you can kind of see in this fighting style he is very aggressive he's able to bring himself back into the light kind of like blue and red together makes purple and the sort of St law behind Balin is that he was obviously you know a Jedi General he was there at the temple but he escaped Order 66 so his saber if you look closely is actually orange sorry I really Tred my best to hold it in but good his sa if you look closely is actually more orange than red so it's like he kind of a cuin throughout the show he is quite an honorable type guy like you know can clearly tell he does you know Temple of the dark side does like obliterate people but he still he still kind of has that sort of Jedi honorability

18:43 Yeah he's somewhat moralistic there is little bit of ethic around him I think they point out that he likes to keep his promises yeah absolutely seem pretty polished as a and another villain she is a new villain to the Stars franchise she was in man Mandalorian season 2 there was an episode where mandalorin found Ahsoka and Ahsoka was trying to fight Morgan eleth who was the prisoner that Balin and shin had helped escape from the ship in the opening scene so Morgan is a nightsister what did you guys think about seeing a nightsister in live action yeah I thought it was pretty cool I we yeah we haven't I personally haven't really seen much of them so it was really nice to see a type of a new type of character that can create power and create weapons that are equal to Jedi yeah so it's pretty it's pretty cool to have a different element there how about you Adam was your experiencing a nightst to finally make it to live action it was interesting I would have preferred to I think have seen maybe

20:04 More effort put into the difference and choreography of how she fought with her blade because I feel like in the Clone Wars they actually fight with a very distinct type sty but like how different Jedi have their own type of fighting style like whereas Ahsoka has her blades two of them kind of held like as you would a dagger so she's got a very Swift fighting style whereas I feel like we didn't really get to see a type of distinct fighting style for her but nevertheless it was still really cool to see the sword that she have was very interesting yeah it was really cool it's really cool but we'll dive a bit more into that a bit later on so the main sort of plot on the first four episodes is that there is a map on this planet which Ahsoka ends up finding but that map is the only map that shows the exact location where GR and will thrawn is in the new Galaxy and something I found so interesting and they mentioned this in episode 3 instead of episode 4 so if they make this jump to the new Galaxy even if the coordinates are slightly off they'll be lost into the void which is something I found quite interesting in terms of like hypers space like jumping and everything what did you guys think of

21:24 When of Ahsoka using the force to find the map and everything like you know quite like how it was done or I need to refresh myself yeah I don't actually remember and which episode was this it was episode one so she so she goes into like this sort of night sister Temp and she's using the force to kind of put like the pieces of the puzzle yeah together to find map I enjoy seeing that because I feel like that lives up to the skill of the Jedi yeah we didn't really see much of that from there onwards we kind of saw Ahsoka having to rely on other people in order to unlock the coordinates of this location where we're introduced to Sabine and other characters you know obviously coming in to try and recover that orb yeah so the fact that she could open it and recover it and Absolut decimate those droids who came after her in that episode was great yeah I think I disliked her helplessness from that point onwards with it where she you know didn't really have any ability herself to unlock it so she kind of had to

22:44 Go to svine conveniently who was also her ex Padawan where they had a touchy relationship yeah I found put Mo H we but let's talk about Sabine real quick in these first four episodes I feel like and this may be a weird comparison that personality wise she is similar to Anakin and attack of the Clones personality wise yeah you know she's quite edgy she's not really sure what she really wants to do Prett rebellious re very rebellious very rebellious what did you guys think of Sabine in these first four episodes yeah I thought she was pretty good I didn't realize she was a commander because of how she kept disobeying and leaving and not coming back and but then once I found out I was like oh clearly she wants something more there's something else that she wants and she's struggling to find what it is so I was like oh this is pretty interesting part of the character yeah her sort of main reasoning behind everything that she wants to be reunited back with Ezra another character we get introduced to is Hera

24:05 So Hera is a general in the Rebellion now Harry what was your overall thoughts of Hera yeah I felt like for especially in the first couple episodes I felt she was more of like just a an extra character that's on the cast that the main characters talk to and they can develop their own I didn't really know what her purpose was in the team until later on we knew properly more and I understood more a lot about how it's important to keep the relationship with the allies that they have and to keep all of their resources as important as they are so until later on in the series where she actually becomes relevant I was like oh she seems just to be flying the plane at this point yeah there's actually a great scene it's actually probably one of my favorite scenes in the first four episodes where she's chasing after the space jet that's carrying the last hyperspace like fuel tank that they need for the giant ring and she's talking to Chopper trying to get him to place like a tracking thing on it but Chopper can't find it so he's blaming her like if you listen closely you can kind of actually hear

25:25 Exactly what Chopper is saying he's like did you take my stuff and she's like no I didn't it's say like yes you did and he's just super sassy super sassy towards Chopper and her was like make sure don't miss this time he's like make sure don't miss this time that's kind of like the most important thing she did in the whole series wasn't it getting Cho track is that when they perform that maneuver where she does like the barrel roll yes yeah over yeah no does like where was she for a top gun Maverick yeah who knows we did get a really cool scene and I know that this scene UPS had upset a lot of fans but we get kind of a Darth Mall top sequence oh sequence with Shin hati where she has the probe Droids that finds Sabine and then you know she goes off and she fights her but what really upset fans is the big plot like I guess you know draw dropping moment at end of episode one where saine gets stabbed by Harry what was your thoughts on saine G stabed but still being a by the next episode

26:45 Yeah I think the I think that element is also used along the whole series The lightsabers didn't seem to do a lot of damage now maybe that's just because Disney needs to keep it more PG and I understand that but we used to see hands and arms being chopped off and now it's like oh I get a stab I'm fine the next day I get a slash I just have a minor wound so they I see I think they tend to leave the more dramatic damaging lightsaber moves to more impactful moments but it would be nice to see them litter through the series a little bit more yeah well actually Adam that is actually a great point where I feel like lightsabers are now being Tred more like a sword or a knife than a lightsaber cuz you know what the original TR do with the prequels a lightsaber touch you lost that limb or it was like badly scarred but now I feel like it's just like a cut almost what's your thoughts on the sort of lightsaber Changers Disney I agree I think they have essentially nerfed the light sober but it raises an issue with continuity as well because in that first episode you see us sooka slice a huge hole out of this massive rock slab in order to retrieve the artifact or the or

28:05 Whatever you want to call it and then Shin stab saine and it's yeah it's like maybe putting a toothpick through a piece of paper maybe it cauterized the wound the whole way through as she pulled her lightsaber out and she didn't move it you know up and down or left or right ever so slightly at all it was a perfect incision straight forwards so unless that happened no I'm pretty upset about it because we've seen lightsabers cut through many sturdy things in previous Star Wars everything and yeah maybe sabine's just built different she and it's Mandalorian after all who knows maybe she's been stabbed in that spot so many times that she's just built up a stab resistance I find it quite funny that you know this happened a couple times even in the one show where we see rer getting stabbed twice once as a young L by Anakin and the Jedi Temple and then once again by Darth Vader and then now we see Sabine get stabbed like poor Quon like is he the only Jedi character he's just a I guess man one of the best Jedi out can't know unlucky him yeah and we also get introduced to another

29:26 Character brand new character named marrick now Harry I know I haven't talked to you a lot about marrick but what did you think of Merrick as a whole he was the Inquisitor looking guy with a double blade I don't yeah sorry I don't really remember again I thought I thought the first couple of episodes were quite forgettable I thought I thought that a lot of the characters were oh I know this character is just going to be a passing character or this fight is only here to look cool it's not like a super duper impactful one but that's just what I thought while watching it oh yeah well I'll ask you then Adam because I know that there's a lot of theories popping around Merck a lot of fans online compar his name Merrick to stara because star's name is Moro or something what did you think about meric as a as a whole I thought he was going to turn out to be far more important to the plot than he actually was I thought they introduced him in a way which made him seem really significant and the fact that he was the

30:46 First person to fight Ahsoka as a lightsaber wielder and the whole thing yeah and then I honestly thought he might have been isra H I thought that they could have I don't know turned him to the dark side and the reason he was masked was because they didn't want on the Jedi knowing that was isra yeah and because we do see he's quite a skilled very fighter as well he is a very skilled fighter he went toe-to-toe with Ahsoka for a bit even though I think in the actual episode you can see slight dominance of Ahsoka during that battle he still holds his own I mean even if it is a he I don't know if it is a he it could be a she very mess well cuz here's the thing I guess there was no gender a guess because when a SOA slices them they turn into a puff of smoke from nus Magic yeah I didn't really know what to think about that seemed I don't know unless they have something planned it seemed like a little bit of a convenient Escape yeah how about having to explain it yeah what's your thoughts on that on mer just being quite literally a ball of a bow of smoke yeah

32:06 I is I don't really understand how that's going to work I'm sure since there'll be a second season we'll get a lot more of answers to the questions that we have like again I didn't think that Mar in particular was a character that I was like oh yeah this is somebody that is going to be throughout the whole series but I did enjoy watching a lot of these characters on screen it was pretty nice and watching the fights I really missed a lot of lightsaber fightings I feel like lightsaber a good lightsaber fight in a lot of the new series isn't really prevalent obviously with Mandalorian being out not a whole bunch but and again I haven't seen the Clone Wars so I thought oh it's nice to see a large variety of weapons being used and lots of different tactics being used in the fight which was quite nice and in that fight in particular I like the I like the jumping through windows and those sort of things was pretty entertaining and the chase I thought and I'd love to ask you this Adam because I know you've seen a lot of the shows recently I felt like sometimes the fighting choreography is pretty bad like sometimes it's bit hard to watch but I feel like with a sooka the lightsaber Jewels were actually quite

33:26 Fun and interesting to watch they were more exciting than the others yes and it also probably was the most lightsaber fighting field series even over Obi-Wan and the Mandalorian I think there's probably more fight scenes in the whole sequel Trilogy yeah all right let's actually break it down okay secret Trilogy so you got Finn versus Klo which then raay versus kylo so that's when the force awakens and that was a they fight a couple times do they not only once I think that yeah I think that's when she just gets the lightsaber or something yeah she just first starts using it and she cuts and then in the last in The Last Jedi you have a fight scene between Ray and kylo which I believe that's when Ray gets captured and then they verse the guards of smoke so it's four and then and then the right Skywalker you have Ray versus kylo on the bridge with the water and the Death Star that was there and then Ray versus Palpatine

34:46 So that's five that's seven total I think and then you have in the Ahsoka series Ahsoka ahoka versus the guards wait are we counting that as H versus the guards the in the first episode recing yeah you have Sabine versus Shin in the episode then you have Ahsoka versus marrick yep and then you have Ahsoka against marck Sabina against Shin ahoka against balum and then in episode in episode five just jumping ahead we do have Ahsoka versus Anakin and then nothing in episode well I guess you have Sabine against the Raiders does that count which you whipped out the light tab in episode six no I wouldn't say that counts because she whips it out at the end when she realizes her Blaster skills are a whole lot more horrible than she thought they were right true and then so we have isra Ahsoka and Sabine use their light against the night Troopers and then Ahsoka versus Morgan

36:07 So we're already past 10 yeah there's also another Ahsoka Bal fight in there yeah there's also another so v b oh and shin against Ezra and oh yes yeah yes yeah so like well over 10 yeah I can't believe Eight Episodes would get more lightsaber fights yeah than a whole movie trilogy yeah it's pretty nice that's pretty sad yeah now kind of sad I don't really want to think about it yeah because of my overall rating of the series that's very sad because I haven't enjoyed it thoroughly something as well I quite liked in episode four is that we see B versus but a special power that Bal has that he can sort of read people's minds and we see this a couple times he read that Ahsoka still feels regretful about the fact that she walked away from Anakin so he's kind of using that the start of the fight like oh you know see what Anakin be became them truly must have left a mark but we also see which I feel like not a lot of Disney Star Wars does this where I feel through the whole fights him

37:27 Balum has the upper hand against ahoka definitely yeah and it's not just this fight scene even in the other fight scene they had I feel like while s more evenly matched yeah b s technically had the upper hand what's your thoughts on that Harry with having the main character actually lose losing yeah well I think I think based on what I've seen it seems like Ahsoka is really struggling with whether or not killing is an element that she needs for example we have that flashback where Anakin is teaching her about to survive you need to kill you need to kill you need to kill and then she goes and it's like oh at the end she ends up winning and it's like oh I don't even need to kill you in the end so she has this conflict so I think I think it's a it's a good way to have her so she's in this down while she's still trying to fully figure out what she wants she has a clear character that she needs to overcome a clear character that can best her so it means that there's a lot of goals and a lot of it's kind of like the Underdog Story yeah absolutely and let's talk about probably the biggest talking point at the end of episode four where Balin knocks a SOA off a cliff and we see Balin and Sabine standing off

38:47 Sabine's got the map she can easily destroy it so then they can't find thrawn but also they can't find Ezra and Balin stru a deal with her that if Sabine comes with him to this new Galaxy no harm will come to her and she can go off and find isra and she hands the map over what did you guys think I'll start with you Adam what did you think of this moment where s hands over the map that was single-handedly the one thing that made me hate saine as a character it highlighted her as being self based on her decision making skills I she could have just jumped off the cliff of a cira for like about she awful I did not enjoy the end of that episode I thought Sabine should have taken the L and got shot or stabbed although she may have survived if she got stabbed in the stomach again she might have just gone around to been fine in a day how she did have oh yeah I think it's quite interesting that she's

40:07 Like oh I want to say my best mate potential maybe sister brother maybe lover and then she's fully willing to just let a incredibly dangerous General with an incredibly strong Army and Incredibly powerful allies to just willing roam around the Galaxy again even though he's stuck on the other side so it's kind like oh really you just ha him yeah really kind of have to I was I was already a little bit put off by Sabine just based on how rebellious she was and how much and like just how great of a consequence that made like let's not forget episode one she steals the map from ahoka and gaps it she figures out how to unlock it and then she you know fights and loses to shin and loses the map and then once again would happen she wasn't such an idiot and selfish which do you think is worse Sabine handing over this map or starlord punching Thanos instead of helping to take off the INF want that Sabine y Sabine well we don't know the outcome of Sabine we don't know the full

41:27 Extent of sabine's cool man like Bing got is's lightsaber cool it's not even HT all right I do just have to touch up on this I'm really sorry I have to touch up on it because episode four is where I truly fell in love with someone you know Adam you've seen my first share of crushes on people with it was that pack and save you know with my ex I waited for her for three years you know but now person off in here that's yeah I'm getting very personal I have got officially a new crush I'd like to announce it on the N Take podcast it is shin HTI Shin hotti Shin bad all the different titles I love her man she is the feuture Mrs hope yeah well she's got Sabine to compare to she looks even better take Sabine out of the show she's just another girl with lightsaber right yeah I mean I don't know

42:47 I feel like she brought a lot to the show yeah I really think so I think there's so much mystery around her and Balin I do want yeah every episode you're wanting to know more and more and I feel like a lot of a lot especially the action sequences like when Shin was you know in the opening episode she was pretty badass she absolutely nailed Sabine in that first episode and then once again she loses because saine has got Rockets think she clearly has some ethical concerns as well around properly killing I mean if she really wanted to kill she knew s bean wasn't fatally injured from that stabbing even though she should have assumed that was the case because it's a lightsaber but that's besides the point we' already discussed that she well I mean Mo most Sith or users of the dark side even in defeat or even an Inevitable Defeat they still just go on a rampage of killing an attempt to win no matter

44:07 What really yeah I mean she just kind of retrieves the artifact after starving Sabine and then leaves scad yeah definitely how about you Harry what's your thoughts on my future wife wow that old for you how old is she actually let me let me search that up oh no am I searching up the actress's name or the charact or the character's age well it depends are you're on love with the character or the actress yeah that is true that's a good question I'll go for both that's okay I can't find I can't find okay I can't find either okay it's fine I'll ignore it for now we'll just hope that yeah good say is if it does happen you boys are the best mans and to all the listeners you're invited to the wedding yeah nice we better have a mean as a bachelor party pack and S us

45:29 Just edit face right now he's like I don't know if I want to be invited to that one okay you can keep the invitation for me that one it got lost in the mail sorry RP I'm so sorry noidea yeah right but yeah he what's your overall thoughts on shinui and B I guess up to this point yeah well we were just talking about how Shin might not want to kill and that wasn't necessarily what her goal is and we see that kind of later on when she's talking and he makes the promise that he won't kill them and he'll let them free and then the general was just like no I'm going to use my words and Swindle the promise so you can still kill them but they also got your promise hasn't been broken and she is visibly shocked by the fact that her master is just allowing that to continue and so that there another element that shows that she is also indecisive yeah she doesn't know exactly where she stands yeah no yeah I feel like you perfectly sum that up I feel like shim throughout this whole series doesn't quite know where she fits into everything and I think especially with the last two episodes that also really shows but we'll talk about that bit later let's talk

46:49 About probably the one episode all the fans really loved it is a love letter to all the Clone WS fans in my opinion Adam you're big Clone Wars fan how did you feel saying Clone Wars finally reached live action excellent more of it would be phenomenal if we could have liveaction Clone Wars I would very much be a fan of that yeah I wish was more I wish it was the whole episode to be honest yeah I mean I liked that we had breaks in between simply just because for me personally this episode felt a lot like Spider-Man no way home now I like that movie I loved that movie but I feel like the main story of the episode that purpose of the episode was Anakin teaching her a listen because just some background on Ahsoka for you Harry because you haven't seen rbbl or all of Clone was at the end of season six because obviously Fus on Revenge of the sth so how do you just ier not being there a circuit gets framed for a crime by a ex Jedi and the Jed Council basically just believes it was her they lock her up and everything and then they're like actually

48:10 No it's all good you're fine as clear there's other person you can come back and the S is just like no you guys have just screwed me over and didn't believe me one bit so she walks away from the Jedi Order and a big question a lot of fans had was if a so stayed would Anakin still have turned right and because those like one of because Anakin the so very close to out the whole Clone Wars so there was a massive question mark and towards I think it's season three I believe this happens I'm might be wrong could be season 4 Ahsoka finds out that Darth vade is Anakin because they connect through the force and Anakin realizes what Darth realizes still alive and realizes who Darth vad is and they have a fight scene which originally she dies but isra was able to go into the world Between Worlds and was able to pull her out right before all of that happened so that's kind of why she's not in the original trilogy either because it's not really her timeline to mess with if that makes sense and having all that sort of that guilt and everything knows what Anakin became that's probably something she's mentally battling with herself

49:30 The whole time that like you know she let Anakin turn to the dark side like she probably blames it on herself so this whole episode I figured out what the message was the message was Anakin was trying to push her to actually live because we see a lot of times s's arms is crossed you know she's wearing like gray clothes she just sort of very she's very doubtful as well you know she doesn't really Trust the B she doesn't really trust others or a lot of people she's not very charismatic so the whole message of this episode was to live again right and I feel like having the breaks in between of everyone finding people was really good because it helped us sort of realize that message a bit more like when her was trying to find like Ahsoka whereas if it was just like a whole live action clance episode we might get lost in just the fan services moments what's your what's your thoughts on that Harry yeah well I actually really enjoyed that episode I think it was probably one of my favorites even though I haven't seen it I liked I liked the idea that a lot the entire time they were Ahsoka and Anakin were together it was actual Anakin and then there would be glimpses and Snippets of Darth Vader

50:50 Entering yeah so it was like even though she's talking to the Anakin that she knew she knows that there's actually an evil side that is lingering there yeah so even when they're talking in the force it's like she you can see that she even herself feels oh maybe that is a bit of my responsibility I need to Bear yeah Adam as you know I love film making I went to a film school and something we've done we've talked about projects and epic shots and cool sequences and I feel like we may have got in two like they're only very short but two really cool sequences one with Anakin walking into the smoke and there's an explosion in it's him and he's surrounded by clone troopers and there's another explosion in his Darth Vader yes yeah and another one is when he's walking coming back into the world Between Worlds and he's got his red lightsaber but there's a lightning Flash and his Darth Vader and another lightning flash back to Anakin what did you think of Anakin and what he was doing to like showing ahoka in this episode I felt like he could have been more Dar

52:11 VY he could have been more aggressive yeah I mean he gives you know obviously in the in the sequence he gives Ahsoka the choice to either live or to die and he would she would have to defeat Anakin and or Darth Vader in the process and like what Harry said earlier where Ahsoka realizes she doesn't actually have to kill him in order to defeat him I think it's kind of a symbolic way of saying she's no longer living in her master's Shadow because I think in that episode prior to that when Ahsoka is introduced to thrawn he refers to her as Anakin's Padawan yeah and then following this sequence with Anakin he actually starts referring to as a SOA or tan as in she's become her own she's no longer a shadow of her former Master turned Darth Vader yeah there was a scene actually that I think a lot of fans really wanted to see but it got cut it was a kind of like a w of scene where it was the fight scene on Mustafa except instead of Obi-Wan it was Ahsoka ahoka yeah

53:32 Harry would you have liked to have seen that scene yeah it would have been it would have been cool but again I don't have a large history with aoka I have more of a history with Obi-Wan so yeah maybe I'm more interested fair enough fair enough I think it would have been a really cool fan servy moment but at the same time Adam you know we've talked about this before of leave some things that are truly special as what they are because if you try to change or add stuff onto it you might end up ruining it and I feel like that fight Cene M between anak and Obi-Wan is the number one best fight scene it is perfect and in the stars like whole Stars franchise basically even beats the old republic and I feel like if they REM made it the expectations would be so high that if it did not match or was even bit it would feel a bit disappointing I don't think it's possible to create recreate something like that I think they nailed it the first time and I think it has its value because it is the only one yeah what did you think as well of Captain Rex finally making his first live action appearance as well he just said something and then ran into battle though like he just like looked at Ahsoka

54:52 And went let's go and turned around and then ran into the battle oh I mean obviously it's not about him but yeah it's still cool to see really cool to see that was that sequence of them in the Clone Wars was being a big Clone Wars fan was probably one of my favorite parts of the whole series yeah me too but do a lot of fans upset by this though and there something I want to I'd love to get to know your thoughts on this Harry where Anakin and Revenge of the Sith is pretty close to his prime right you know he's at his peak in terms of power and strength especially because he's tampering with the dark side especially once he turns dark like the forest fights in Mista he's like you know pretty close to max power and a lot of people thought that Ahsoka like had beaten them in that Jewel like that they had in the wood between woods but I personally feel like anak can let her win yeah just for the sake of the lesson were you upset like the fans where that Ahsoka kind of won against Anakin in his prime or no I think I think you're right I think I agree with you I think it was more of a

56:12 Teaching experience than an actual duel I think he was pressuring her into making a decision and then when he she made her decision it turns out it wasn't one of the options that he gave her he was oh actually there's a future in you yet and he says some sort of line like that to her and it's like yeah it shows that it's not about who would win it's about how you go about winning it yeah and this episode ends with a ahak of the white you know she's gone from ahak of the gray to soak of the white I love that Lord of the Rings kind of like a Gandalf transition which he turns into a more I guess powerful version of herself and she communicates with the Perle the star whales to send them into the new Galaxy but I feel like we're robbed of something Adam when she was talking to the Perle I half expected her to become like Dory and Finding Nemo and just start making those really loud over the top whale noises oh yeah do want to give your best whale impression if you were to talk to a pgle right now how like how would you how would you talk to it oh

57:33 I'll probably just do what Ahsoka did and use the force you know come on come on you got be there or like you know hum like and spiritual talk to the whales I mean what idiot would stand in front of a whale and start making whale noises you okay that Me Maybe I just ping sonar at them and hope that works you know how about you Harry how you want you give your best whale impression right now you're Chang to the per you don't have much time you got to get to the new Galaxy give your best and then the whale would take me to my destination really just woo did you say woohoo or woo it's just a noise and that noise in the whale language means take me to where I want to go no I mean I feel like You' have to do it pretty similar to Dory you know we could sort of go the like that type thing not like a donkey sound but

58:53 Like that was it sounded like all right let's move on to what I believe is the best episode in ahoka and this might be a hot take the most interesting episode in all the shows that have come out recently as a standalone episode what's your what's your thoughts on that Adam I'm talking episode six yeah episode six of Ahsoka I believe that is most interesting episode more interesting than any of the ones in Mando Boba Fett Andor and wait I think there are two scenes that trump it one being Luke's return and Mando but as an episode that is more interesting than what we G episode six singularly because of that scene yes that it carries the episode and I think it's better but other than that which other one was i g to say I

1:00:13 Have I forgotten I might have forgotten it'll come back to me but I mean it was good I do not think it Trump's Luke's return I think that small short sequence of them fighting those super battle droids was more interesting than the whole of episode six in nooka I mean I'm someone who loved that moment I think quite similar to a lot of people I actually did cry when I first watched that like because luk is probably one of my favorite stal characters of all time and that was obviously such a massive secret nobody saw that coming so seen Luke come back like in his prime just absolutely smash as way through was so cool to watch but I feel like with episode six we've got so much story behind Balin and shin behind like thrawn and the night sisters we got to see our first live action like night sister mothers which I thought was fantastic it was spooky and also for the first time in Star Wars something that I love is World building you know often when I write scripts and stuff I like to think of the world that we're in right they're the characters are in and I love sort of showing the world and I feel like often with

1:01:33 Star Wars projects we don't actually really see much of the planets or anything or sometimes the planets like I think there was one plan in Obi-Wan where yeah it was in episode three where obiwan and Darth V first sort of met and it literally just looked like a construction site somewhere in the like Central America but I feel like when we reached this I really like one it was definely an all right show but I feel like sometimes some the World building it's like you could be like a that's probably filmed like you kind of tell it's Earth a bit right whereas when we reach this new planet peridia I was so excited the whole way through because like I felt so invested into the idea that we're in a whole new Galaxy into like a whole new like a whole new world like yeah okay well the only aspect that made it seemed like you were in a different like an actual different world was because of those crab people what are they called the NTI or something yeah I just call them peridia Ewoks or that's actually more difficult to say than ly so I might stick with

1:02:54 But I don't know I kind of disagree I feel like it could have been anywhere you could have it could have been the same galaxy I mean there was nothing really defining about it that said it was definitely a different galaxy apart from thwn being there yeah how about your H what was your thoughts on this episode as a whole yeah no I thought it was pretty good again I preferred the end of the season a lot more to the start I thought the start was slow and then it finally got into more interesting elements of the story that I was more interested in but we'll get into our overall reviews of the series soon but I'm I have to say I still think Obi-Wan was better than this okay we'll definitely talk about that a bit later on but let's talk about some of the main highlights I gu from episode six so the character's first land in peridia and the immediately greeted by three mother night sisters is so for context Harry in the Clone Wars there was only one mother night sister and in this planet they've got three and they felt super spooky I don't know about you guys but i' normally I don't get like a weird vibe or creeped out with movies or shows

1:04:14 Anymore but I gen felt a weird bit of spookiness coming from these witches what did you guys think about them I don't know why they were loyal to Admiral Thorn yeah I thought that was as well yeah I don't know why were they simply using him as a means to escape the Galaxy that they're trapped in are they going to betray him later down the line because you'd think as people as powerful as them you know Thor heavily relies on those three witches for guidance and to locate various people and locations why do they need thrawn and why do they like him so much and why they almost rever him as a god it seems by the way they address him and they say you know we are F ever loyal or grateful to you and whatnot so I was pretty intrigued by that they were pretty spooky they looked very spooky they did an excellent job on the costume and make up for them yeah it was fantastic and something else I loved about this episode which main highlight is Grand Admiral Thorn's return we see this huge Star Destroyer come right into

1:05:34 Where everyone is it lowers itself down to the main platform and we're greeted by all these Stormtroopers Tie fighters on the ceiling and they're all chanting thwn with some of the most epic probably Empire music I can think of and th is just casually walking down what did you guys think you know we finally have Grandad North Rand yeah finally isn't the word I would use to describe that interaction for me it was a who is this guy he seems pretty important but yeah as Adam was saying yeah he seems more important because other people are saying he's important and there's only some aspects where I was like oh he was smart there or he was doing this that was smart that shows he's a great General but there was nothing in particular it showed that he had any sort of you know element to him that was particularly unique I feel like he was just a very smart very good General and he had powerful people helping him so he was more of a leader type than someone I was like oh like it's not Palpatine walking down the aisle it's just a general it is just a general so it was a big Shad for someone who I was like oh he's the general of all

1:06:55 These powerful people he's not the actual power user yeah no that's definitely true I feel like th is such a unique character where he's one of the few where we don't see him in a lot of fight scenes you know like Darth vad and Palpatine they're very powerful but we also see them like in the scrap you know a few times and they're able to easily prove why they're such a powerful character yeah but th we never actually really seen the scrap it's always you know behind the scenes he's always thinking he's always planning he's always sort of outsmarting his opponents and I feel like there's such a unique like ability compared to majority of the Styles characters what's your thoughts on that Adam well I mean I agree because in many of the final episodes he does refer to saying I have been bested by jeda before and it will never let it happen again I have witnessed many Imperial officers become bested by Jedi and underestimate them it's interesting to see that he seems to think of himself as Superior among the Imperial and one of the few Admirals who could supposedly not fall for a Jedi tricks or for their plan or their plot I really liked

1:08:15 His introduction again I agree with Harry in the fact that I think for someone who would not have watched the Clone Wars or Rebels he was questionable in the fact that why is he so important we know you know he's an admiral when he has a singular Starship but why is he so much of a threat that we you know we have Hera going and appealing to the Senate and corusant and trying to convince them to send a whole Fleet against a singular ship what is so admirable about this admirable that we need to you know go through all this phosphor doesn't really tell us much yeah no you're absolutely right you're absolutely right I do think something about this show which i s mentioned earlier that this is more like a season five of rebels than a standalone show where I kind of feel like especially because we see a lot of Sabine story you know like Hera Ahsoka thrawn and at the end of this episode we finally get to see isra again as well kind of all the rebel characters have sort of have sort of come back together basically but something that I loved about this episode is we get to see more character moments

1:09:35 Between Shin and balen sort of talking about their past and their goals we obviously talk about a bit more in the in the final episode but Balin is Seeking a higher power something that will stop the ccle of a you know Republic Falls becomes an Empire Falls becomes New Republic and falls and becomes first order he's looking to sort of stop that cycle Adam do you have any theories on what exactly he was searching for not a clue and I feel like that is more interesting than the whole plot of a sooker itself yeah I'd love to have Balin series of him searching for this higher power to end the cycle of Sith and Jedi and bring proper balance to the force yeah how about you Harry did you potentially have any clue on what Balin was searching for no but it did seem that he put a lot of faith in his Padawan to be somebody that will either be the one to do it for him or allow him to get to this higher power I think he say a line saying like you need to

1:10:55 Be the one or something along those lines where he's putting a lot of pressure on her so maybe it's something to do with her p on something he says something he says to her which I feel like was so interesting was shouldn't asked them you know if he knows about Ezra Bridger and he talks about how you know Ezra's kind of like a rogue Jedi was T like outside of the temple you know after the temple had fallen and Sh said like me and he says know you were made to be something much greater that's what I was thinking of before that line yes so it's quite I feel like you know I made a tweet about this and I'm willing to say on this podcast Bal and shin hands down best characters of the soer series and I feel like some of the most interesting characters Disney Star Wars has made who Yang is the best character of the series hands down we get to learn more about a robot than everyone else combined in the whole series true guy is like hundred and something or other years old has trained almost every Jedi we know of he's going to be the coolest thing in a circuit oh yeah hands down I actually do completely agree with that I

1:12:15 I have a personal biased because you know my future wife is in the same Series so she's always number one for me but it's a robot you know you can't marry a robot so you can put the robot first that's right I mean you know some people into AI these days are you one of those people well we'll see oh we'll see we'll see what the what the actress says and depending on their answer I might have to go to the AI right okay well brilliant because we're living in the Golden Age of AI right now so exactly EXA when it fails because it will there will be plenty of AI quite often you've supported me through a lot of dumb decisions and I feel like I need your support now more than ever there will be an AI so lifelike that you won't even know it's an AI Michael I will supp yeah but with current AI technology I don't know I don't know if that's a supportable one yeah we'll see we'll see like 10 years or something you know once we're all famous Star Wars podcasters we'll see if there's a shin hutti

1:13:36 AI that we can bring on for like a character Deep dive or something no because she'll be your wife so we can just bring on the show exactly you're right you're right easy my support yeah let's fast forward into if episode seven so we see Sabine and Ezra finally reunite and Harry I was quite frustrated during this little reunion moment because several times isra brings up how did you get here like I can't wait to go home and Sabine never tells him that hey look I'm here it's great but we're stuck here yeah I yeah I thought the I thought that whole conversation that they have on top of the turtle machine shell machine thing was very flirtatious so when you were saying oh are these brother and sister are clearly wanting to be together I thought based on what I've seen that I think they're not brother and sister but yeah I thought I thought I was a bit confused because aren't they meant to trust each other and be really close why would she not just tell him unless she was trying to protect him from something but I just would you not want to be open and the truthful

1:14:56 With someone I think it's because she had guilt yeah for her decision that she made stupid oh yes so she should feel like that oh yeah I basically put evil on the world just so I could be here with you yeah and you would do that for your brother right like would you guys do that for me as your fellow wine and seafood brother I would hope that you wouldn't want me to do that for you I would hope you would say okay maybe my life isn't worth as much as the entire world in destruction but W I would do it for you don't worry how about you Adam you know we've known each other for quite a few years now would you sacrifice the Galaxy's safety just to hang out well think about the logic of that Michael you like you said I've known you many years right who do you do you think there are other people I have known many more years than you perhaps well that might be a part of this galaxy that may be destroyed if I pick you well that's the thing I am a very special person like my mother my father my sister also you're safe from the evil that's destroying

1:16:16 The Galaxy so it's also a selfish thing exactly and you get to chill out with me and we can drink some chocolate milk oh yeah right on top of turtles about the chocolate milk yeah on top of the turtles we can watch turtle rling with chocolate milk smashing down a chocolate milk only yeah you know what yeah just because you're valy right now yeah I would sacrifice the whole galaxy in order to drink a poho valley with my good friend Michael on top of a turtle yeah all right yeah perfect I'm so glad that you guys would sacrifice the whole galaxy just be with me God I now regret my decision is there a take back is there a take back option yeah all right I'll take but we do see here though shin and Balin team up with these Raiders to attack isra and Sabine but we do see this conversation between Balin and shin where Bal decides to abandon shin and send

1:17:36 It on her own path because it feels like that their parts are now separating and no longer meant to be together what did you think of this separation Harry I felt it was more so ahoka could just have a scrap with Bon so they needed to be separate so they could have their scrap and then we can see the P one just going around showing off her skills a little bit more as well and showing us that oh because she had a moment in her fight with I forgot what's his name that they're saving on the planet isra they're fighting and it's she goes to oh I could continue or I could run away and it's like am I going to abide by these orders or you know continue with what I was doing so but yeah I definitely feel like one of the reasons they splited so ahoka can have her fight with B well I've got some Norse mythology I'd like to explain to you boys I are you ready to hear it yeah okay so here's something very interesting so balen skull and shin HTI are based on wolves so skull and HTI right so

1:18:56 Skull is this wolf that chases the sun right and I believe hati chases the moon that's why one is dark and one is white which if you ever a look at the armor they're both wearing B skull is wearing dark armor because he's chasing like you know the black sun and hati's armor is gray or like a bit white and is obviously chasing the moon right and we see even in the show when they ride their own like wolves all those dog creatures one is white and one is black and something that's very interesting is that the sun in the Stars universe is the embodiment of the dark side there is a Clone Wars ARC or serious episodes where Anakin Obi-Wan and Ahsoka all meet these Force Gods the Light Side the dark side and the father who's sort of a combination of them both and the son he's a full embodiment of the dark side but he I forgot exactly what happens but he does something to a sooka and turns her dark and so they had to sacrifice the daughter or something to resurrect Ahsoka so later on in the finale when you see Balin

1:20:16 Standing on the hand of the father you can see the son on the right but there's no daughter and so in terms of this sort of mythology it's like bal's chasing the son he's chasing the false god whereas ha she's chasing for I guess more of just like a high power almost or kind of towards the light if that makes sense and we do see this moment where at one point she does think about joining Ahsoka at the end of episode seven what do you guys think on that I think she feels like she has to prove herself for some reason which is you know when Bal talks about them having different paths it's not necessarily he doesn't specifically say what her path is does he yeah no and I feel like that's very much about what we were talking about before where I don't even think she knows what her path is yeah and I think Balin can probably sense in her the conflict and like I necessarily don't think Balin is evil being a former Jedi seeking a higher

1:21:37 Power to end the cycle I feel like that's a rather Noble thing and I feel like he can also tell or maybe he thinks he's corrupted her in a sense because she's not necessarily evil she doesn't really seem to have the dark side that typical other Sith Lords or other characters do I mean I would say that the witch what's her name the Morgan yes Morgan she is far more evil than both of them combined yeah absolutely we do see here though Harry in episode seven and the Raiders attack the turtles you know they attack the turtles and it's funny because during this whole scene I just keep thinking like of that Meme in like 2012 or 2013 where it's like save the turtles like that whole sort of like movement I think it was like about environmental like cleaning or something like that but I think they more like crabs aren't they I don't know I think maybe you know we see a great moment and I feel like this is

1:22:57 Ezra being classic Ezra where Ezra's always been quite cocky he's always been quite funny to been tries to give him his lightsaber he's just like nah it's yours you take it you take it the force is my Ally and we see like this really great like Kung Fu Force moves what did you what did you think of this Harry I thought he's pretty weak in the force he did some pretty like pushes yeah you look in you look in the old movies and they like choke Force lifting people and throwing them across the room unless it's like he has to be like a ceneter away and he can barely push them so I was like bro you should have taken your lightsaber back man what the heck yeah especially when it comes face to face against shun as well at this point I was like n he's done he's cooked he's cooked but they not they rigged it they Absol wed it and made Shen lose to Ezra but I did find it quite funny cheesy one liner close I did I did love though when isra is like oh you're in trouble now cuz just him and sine and then she just like force pushes him into one of things and he just gets knocked out

1:24:17 I did love that but I will be honest with you Adam you know the Raiders you know come in they sort of get defeated and the night Troopers get sent in to help out but I feel like the Raiders did a much better job than these Troopers when you look at the so two gunships full of these night Troopers land and descend on their location there are like 50 plus of them there are heaps of them and how many night Raiders were there that wrapped up on the little dog things yeah they were actually like accurate with their shooting they were actually hitting people the Stormtroopers came in and of course Ahsoka arrives as well so there a little bit of a you know tip of the power scale now sooka here but they're useless we you know we have this great reveal of thorn and his army and they look amazing I really like the costume and the mask of his first and command Stormtrooper was really cool you know when you have Army that looks like that and is you know largely feared throughout the Galaxy and the return of thorn

1:25:38 Would be so you know devastating and then he sends in 50 of them and they get absolutely abolished doesn't really speak volumes about thon's Effectiveness yeah so I don't like it absolutely I rewatched six seven and eight just before coming on here to do the podcast with you boys and something that just I completely missed it that when Ahsoka shows up Shin just go straight for ahoka yes she does yeah and I thought yo that's actually so badass that she doesn't care about isra or Sabine she just goes full and Swinging against the SOA and we see this moment where obviously the Raiders are defeated the Storm Troopers you they get it because th tells them to retreat and sabina's left all by herself and she's in a bit of vulnerable state because I was really thinking about it because in my head I when I was watching this for the first time I was thinking okay she's going to try 1 V3 maybe gets killed or you know they turn to the light same but because she's you know she's a fighter but then I realized she just got abandoned by her master you know probably like someone who's she who she's extremely close to and the Army she was just worth literally just

1:26:58 Like just gapped and left her behind she's you know pissed off you know she's bit like what on Earth is going on and we see this moment where Ahsoka I think Ahsoka realizes that and she asks her to come and join Harry what did you think of this moment did you think Shin was going to turn or no because there wasn't enough I didn't I didn't think so no I think there was definitely more that could have been out of the character cuz especially cuz we didn't necessarily focus on her character as much as we focused on other villains so I thought oh there's still areas in room for her to improve but yeah it was it was good to see that not only do the Allies get the choice of where are you going but also the villains get the choice of where are they going as well it's nice to see that we can have multiple sides of the same kind of story yeah but then you know sh she gaps it you know she gaps it out of there and I'll be perfectly honest going into the finale which obviously came out you know obviously this podcast can release a bit later from when we do the recording so for us this came out yesterday going into the finale I was really excited to see

1:28:18 What on Earth are they are they going to do with Shin cuz there is a movie coming up in a few years which we'll talk about more later on called air to the Empire which is obviously you know thown it's like a moverse film it's a thrown against like most likely Luke original trilogy gang you know Mandalorian and all that sort of stuff and I thought that Shin was going to potentially be this dark Jedi that's on thrown s side so maybe she's the one who sort of fights Luke fights Ahsoka fights Ezra fights a be right but Shin's hardly in the final episode and B too like it was one of the biggest disappoints for me where they were you know said in my opinion they were the best characters in the whole show there's so much mystery and so much story behind them but it does not get revealed what the end of the story was what was your thoughts on that Harry well obviously the season ends in a little bit of a cliffhanger saying hey get ready for the next one it's going to be the actual season so there's obviously going to be characters that we want to see more of and yeah there are some characters that we might not want to see

1:29:38 So much more of yeah well let's dive right into the final episode we see Morgan I'm not even sure what to call it like summoned ritualized possess doctrinated and yeah that word and into a mother I believe or a superior night sister role and she gets a blade from mother Talman I believe that's her name which that is the mother in the previous Galaxy that they were in Bly all of them got killed off by the separatist during the Clone Wars and I was super hyped for this because I was like Yep they're setting it up you know Morgan just going to be a mass massive boss fight yeah there's going to be some big Grand Final Fight going to happen this episode I was so excited and then it just cuts to them just very casually flying very low o over the turtles and I don't I don't know about you Adam but you know they've got no way of going back to their previous Galaxy except for th sh don't you think you should maybe speed

1:30:59 Things up a bit and just go straight for it yes absolutely no question about it yeah but do see heartwarming moment in the scene where with isra he makes his own lightsaber but he builds a very similar lightsaber to what Kanan had which Kanan he of the main characters in Star was rieles but he unfortunately dies towards the end of the thr show and there was a very heartbreaking moment so it was quite nice to see Kan and finally get some more not really appreciation but I guess kind of mentioned and something we didn't talk about as well ass interest finally gets mentioned as a character as well because up until this point a interest has never been mentioned outside of the columia show yeah so it was quite cool to see Kanan finally get the same thing aside find some recognition in the live action show but we see two Tie fighters come in and they start shooting at the turtles and they damage you know one of the engines and so isra they have to kind of you know stop the ship from you know killing the turtles and saine decides just going to you know crash their

1:32:19 Ship into two Tie fighters mhm Harry what was your thought on this genius plan genius plan oh yeah I don't I don't I don't really understand I guess it doesn't because Ahsoka if she can just willy-nilly communicate with whales I guess if they can build some sort of contraption that they can survive in space with they will be able to get back because I'm just assuming ahoka will be able to communic unicate with Wales when she needs to when the force lets her use it so it took out the Tie fighters so I mean yeah something I found pretty funny which I even mentioned this to Adam just before we started recording after this thwn then plans for a ground assault but I just feel like if you know that their star fighter is knocked out just in two more Tie fighters then no they'll just miss yeah I mean historically yeah in the series yes absolutely they're useless but I mean like Sabine has the option to enter the back Gunner of the ship which he's previously used when they're being chased in previous episodes and she nah now why would

1:33:39 I use that because that's silly collateral damage is the way to go another example of why saine is the worst thing to possibly happen and she made one good decision in the whole series one that's it may ask what decision is that when she decided to stay with Ahsoka finally she finally realizes that oh my God we're actually stronger together and I shouldn't just go off and try to do things willy-nilly by myself because I actually cause more problems than I solve oh would you look at that yeah right at the end of the series might I add of the Season yeah so took it long enough character big character development big we you know just a pass oh watch back fell hold on just to pass forward a bit isra Sabine and Ahsoka all end up in and you know the temple or the place where Star Destroyer is on top of and they F off all these night Trippers and it was quite a cool seeing all of them just really kick some storm troper ass basically and then we see

1:34:59 The night sisters finally get to use some dark magic and Adam is a big clonal fan I know that someone who we both really like is Savage Opress the death of Miriam who got you know sort of so basically Savage is same breed as Darth Mo Harry and he was this really skinny guy but that made him super buff super strong and yeah they gave him a lightsaber and was able to do just like really cool stuff at one point he fights off Count Dooku and then stumbles into Anakin and Obi-Wan fights them off destroys a whole platoon of droids and still survives that's pretty crazy he's a legend he's a legend and when I saw his night as to St something I was like oh my gosh they're going to make like another mer perhaps or maybe another like sa press situation but instead we get Stormtrooper zombies for the first time ever Undead Stormtroopers Harry what did you think zombified Stormtroopers yeah n not a fan of zombies I'm sick and tired of zombies surely we can think of something more creative at this point right zombies all the time Adam I did find it quite funny that they were quite worried about them and they struggling to fight them when they

1:36:19 Could maybe just thrown a lightsaber and just use the force to cut all the heads off yeah well I mean but before they get resurrected as zombie night Troopers there's maybe a 3 second shot of all of them standing there doing absolutely nothing while they previously talked about time being of the essence and they stand there and then you know the Spells being casted and then Ahsoka slowly turns around oh that's new and then it's like come on guys and then they run up the staircase and then they you know shoot all the door controls so that the door's shut and it's like oh you could have done that before they got resurrected and we wouldn't even have known there were stupid zombie Stormtroopers yeah convenient cheap unoriginal boring I agree with Harry I'm sick of zombies it is completely irrelevant it was just something special to add in foot effect yeah I feel like they had that's what it did yeah they had some budget that they wanted to spin so let's make some cool Mystic green stuff and some zombies yeah I mean I think I think it could have been done like in a really epic way but I feel like we kind of got like the non-epic way right like maybe if they resurrected like a

1:37:39 Not a stormtrooper but someone a bit more powerful who could have had maybe a bit more fight in them maybe they maybe they couldn't quite sick because we do see towards the end they fight off those two more Troopers which I want to point out and they're Undead so they can't kill them and I feel like that fight scene was pretty epic because you couldn't just normally kill them but with these Storm Troopers it kind of felt like oh yeah except they did normally kill them in the end though they actually just ended up decapitated and stabbed by a light saer didn't they yeah but I feel like the buildup to that though was quite different these Stormtroopers like some of them didn't even have blasters on them and they weren't that flexible whereas the troopers at the end they were quite flexible they were very Hands-On as well as using blasters yeah I just I don't know about zombies now we have now zombies is an official thing we have in Star Wars now I honestly think that they didn't actually fa Ahsoka and isra and Sabine didn't actually face in enough fighting in order to try and get to thrawn I mean you know like I said we've been introduced by thrawn as this very notorious

1:39:00 Admirable and you know he's got cool he's got zombie Storm Troopers but then the two Elite troops he do send he's only got two of yeah and but don't forget Morgan is there as well you know oh morganan yeah th tells us they need some more time and that you know you need someone to you know be willing to be left behind Morgan's like yes I mean she doesn't exactly say yes but she's like sure why not she doesn't seem too thrilled with it she's definitely not and I mean when you really think about it Morgan did all of this all of that yes yeah imagine like building a giant hyperspace ring and getting six of those enormous hyperspace things which had to be under cover in the new Republic to build them yes you know she gets captured by Ahsoka she needs mercenaries to bail them out she goes through so much trouble she gets captured you know yeah she gets captured she finds the map but then the map gets taken so then she has to like steal it and come back just be left behind I yeah like what a mess of ripoff in my opinion it did seem like a lot of the

1:40:20 Character is would just used as pawns by thn even including Balin and shin yeah absolutely I feel thraw he really doesn't care he's just like you know I just need to leave this galaxy yeah and something they did find quite funny Harry was that you know with Morgan was standing there alone he had Ahsoka isra and Sabine but it was set up as a big thing like oh no it's Morgan but the three of them probably could have like taking her up pretty fast yeah I mean and she only just recently became a powerful guy she does she actually become a witch like fully she was she was already a witch but I believe they made her to like a mother of some sort of like a true night syst Warrior like the higher level yeah so there's probably a lot of stuff that she doesn't even know how to use or how it's not mastered yet so pretty easy yeah no but I will admit I'm willing to say this the fight scene between Morgan and Ahsoka the best fight scene in the whole series now

1:41:41 The choreography the choreography was great it was so great the music it felt epic you know a apart from Sabine actually getting stabbed but still surviving Morgan destroys one of USA's lightsabers oh that's right she does that's true she does so I feel like the action was actually really good why is she so flexible I don't know she was like jumping and bouncing rolling around yeah like she's L I mean you know yod is just small though he just flips around he's not flexible I don't think yeah I guess he just so small and looks like it's flexible he's just small and fast yeah it was a surprise was interesting yeah but in the final fight scene though it's funny I was watching this with my with I'm gonna give a message Shout with my boy Liam we're watching the finale together and Sabine gets pinned up on a pillar by one of these zombies and she tries to force grab and when she Force grabs the lightsaber is probably the loudest I've ever heard Liam scream he was so mad

1:43:01 That someone who hasn't really had a lot of Force training in the show she had that one moment in episode three but apart from that nothing really else but she's done like force wise to prepare and then she makes two massive things happen by force grabbing the lightsaber being able to kill those two Stormtroopers and then being able to force push isra up onto the Star Destroyer yeah what's your thoughts on that Adam because very clearly you are a massive Sabine stand so I feel like that was absolutely mental obviously because I mean and the fact that isra is okay with it as well he's oh yeah I just saw you know you've been training that's all we know is about the ENT of your force abilities I've been training when she says that she's referring to mostly light Saab skills anyways not even force abilities yeah the fact that is was just like yeah you push me up and I'll pull you up is just kind of garly to me I feel like he shouldn't have even considered taking her because she probably would have been a hindrance to him [Laughter] anyway I love how there like you know the one thing you bring up it's not like oh you know is she actually going to be able to force push me up all the way it's just no is

1:44:21 She going to be useful anyway should we even consider bringing her no probably not cuz useless PE lady pew Mandalorian lady who doesn't know what she wants to be but we do see Sabine she stays behind to help Ahsoka and good decision which is a good decision it's a good decision and Ahsoka kills Morgan Harry what did you think of Morgan being killed off here well when she wasn't going onto the ship with leaving with them you're kind of oh we knew we knew she probably wasn't going to be hanging around for much more much more time so but she's pretty cool I don't know why we just got this whole evolution of her just in the same episode she dies it's like it's like an arc when you like upgrade the melee Dem statistic just to waste the dinosaur and like to like sacrifice you're using Arc as a reference yeah I mean I have to the people that have not played ARCA look I look quite often in these podcast I just drop random things and people just have to deal with it the amount of I'm a big fan of Minecraft references

1:45:42 Because most people have played Minecraft so can you please try a game but Minecraft all right it's like when you tame a dog and you bring it with you into a Cave System right even though you know it's just going to fall off and then die it's just going to fall off and die or if you start getting attacked no you're not the nether it's like bringing a Minecraft dog into The Nether and you're searching through the Fortress Yeah you know it's going to die but at least it will help you got it yeah at least you got it at least it will give you like those two seconds of time against the Blazer rods yeah the dogs provide meat no oh so they're useless once they're dead great yeah but yeah unfortunately you know Morgan dies I feel like she was a great villain in Ahsoka and we get some cutaways and I want to really talk about Bay really quick so we see bayin he is standing on a mountain statue of the father of the force gods and we get a really cool shot where we have the son on the right and the daughter's meant to be on the left but her head is missing and that's because Anakin use the daughter's life force and Ahsoka

1:47:02 To sort of save her from the darkness and that clone was Arc but they're all facing one way and there was a bright yellow light like in the far in the far distance the B staring into and I've got a very strong theory on what that yellow light is are you guys ready to hear I'm ready to hear it abalo so I know that you guys probably haven't read any Legion Comics or anything like that right no so basically I haven't read the one specifically but I have read other you know Legends Comics but from what I know about abalo she is the mother of the force Gods but she was not immortal like them she was mortal and so she selfishly drank from this youth Fountain to try make her Immortal but instead it turned into this horrible like demon like pretty much the extreme version of the dark side right and the son the daughter and the father basically outcasted her like just exiled her right and I think the thing that's been calling to Bal this whole time has been abalo and I mean I don't know much about abalo know what she can actually do but I feel like maybe she

1:48:22 Finds her to possess Balin or maybe the original plan was to possess sh perhaps since was a female and that could be like a physical form to really like cause some basically you know caus a lot of trouble and I think that's what that yellow light is because you have the father son and you know assumably the daughter all standing together and facing towards this yellow light which I think it's an outcasted mother what's your thoughts on the theory Harry it's pretty interesting I think I think I'm a lot I'm obviously ignorant to The Wider not so theatrical Star Wars characters so there's probably a lot of them but it would be really interesting to bring more characters from more Niche elements of the whole universe and more characters that we haven't seen But already have stories we don't necessarily always need to make a brand new character we can say hey we already have this really cool character that's already written into the story let's find a way to keep that character you know alive and make him maybe a character in a movie or TV series it's quite hard CU I know that star killer has been someone that the fans want to see

1:49:43 But when you try to fit him into Cannon it just does not work because he's way too powerful and because he's also like The Apprentice of Darth Vader but Darth Vader isn't meant to have an apprentice so the storywise it won't make sense but it's also how do you bring in a old character from Legends or from a game but Nerf them so they're not as powerful I feel like it's kind of like a disservice to that character almost yeah i' dislike if they did that I'd prefer to yeah leave them as is yeah but something very interesting and actually made a tweet about this so I love symbolism right I love the whole idea of foreshadowing symbolism and in the 5 Seconds we see of shin she rides up to the Raiders camp and she holds her lightsaber out which could potentially mean she's going to slaughter them or I personally think it's sort of like hey remember me you know my master and I we worked with you guys but something that we do see though throughout this whole show she's wearing that gray white armor right and that potentially symbolizes her you know with the name hty you know the wolf that chases the moon you know who goes into the light but then in the final shot we see she's got a dark

1:51:03 Poncho covering that armor and you know originally I just thinking oh it's just cuz she's broken and she's just super vulnerable everyone's literally abandoned her but the more I look into it right she's been abandoned by her master she was abandoned by the Storm Troopers she got made like an absolute fool basically with fighting isra cuz he was just using the force against her and so she must be feeling totally embarrassed you know she's obviously done like a lot of fights and stuff because she's very capable as a warer and I think that having this dark punch around it really does symbolize the fact that she's going to go full dark side now what's your thoughts on this Theory Adam I'd like to think that her holding up her lightsaber was kind of a warning and she was absolutely going to go and Massacre them in a blood filled rage because she was so embarrassed and enraged that she lost and been abandoned and is embarrass I would love for that because we haven't seen one of those since like more yeah and I really think we require one of those because I mean balin's clearly not that guy the rest of

1:52:23 Them probably couldn't fulfill that role and she's I don't know she's kind of just got that crazy look about her you know she kind of just looks like she could just snap and become an evil as Sith Lord yeah I hope so I hope so too you know just while we're on topic of bayen and shin let's talk about potential season two with them or where we think their stories are going to end up I think Shin is going to be the leader of the Raiders because Ahsoka and Sabine obviously they get left behind on this planet as well Sabine and Ahsoka I mean and I think Shin is going to be the big bad villain to them and I feel like because she's going to embrace the dark side even more that she might actually probably stand a chance against a Cy H well yeah okay so sh Shin doesn't really know that they've been left behind at that current time so you think that she's going to discover that they have been left behind yeah and do what you said right okay yeah how about you Harry have

1:53:43 You got any thoughts on shin and where her story may take her for potential CER season 2 spin-off show yeah based on what we saw she was definitely raising it but I think because it was It was kind of horizontal so maybe it was more empowering and like she was going to Ally with them yeah but if we have another character that's on the line and then just snaps and then goes Dark Side even though Anakin was turned slowly as well by Altin it's kind of a we're going to have another powerful character that has changed that was oh I guess she was already evil I would like to see an evil character turn into a good character I think she will and not like a Thanos type where it's because he thinks it's good it's good it more like an actual evil character that realizes their actions and becomes a good character we haven't really seen much of that what about Carlo Ren does he become a good goodie in he does he sacrifices himself right at the end and then they kiss oh ruining again

1:55:03 I just I just forget all three of those movies I just void you know we talked about the brother sister thing earlier but something I just want to really quickly point out Ray calls herself a Skywalker at the end of R Skywalker and Carlo Ren is a soloo which Princess Leia is a Skywalker she married Han Solo so technically they were cousins and they cursed yeah what is about sty Wars and Inc we've had luk and Leia Cur now be mind they did not know that they were siblings or twins I should say and then now we also had KY Ren and Ray yeah these are some I like to think there is no alterior mo with Michael and it was simply a coincidence there was nothing more to look in to right are you sure we dive into it if you want no I'm hoping that's the case I mean it depends if you think that the romance in Ahsoka isn't a romance and they're actually brother and sister then maybe there's a trend going on here maybe I'm just saying the parallels going we've had L Leia Callin and

1:56:24 Ray and Sabine and Israel I think Shin is GNA get turned to the light side and become a Jedi once she's probably going to have her few many runin with Ahsoka and Sabine ultimately she's probably going to realize she can't defeat them and she's probably going to become jealous or envious or she's going to desire the type of relationship that Ahsoka and Sabine have as they develop their relationship being the only two people there you know Ahsoka is likely going to train up Sabine and in the process they'll have their runin with shin and Shin's gonna probably want to join them I feel yeah definitely and for Balin what do you guys think a potential season two might end for him in his story will he find the power force God I kind of cuz that's I haven't seen or heard of much about the force gods and how truly powerful they can possibly be so I kind of hope we don't just introduce something that's can be used by anybody and can be interacted with and it's just so incredibly

1:57:44 Powerful it can do immense crazy things but I like to think it'll be a little bit of a achilles Flying Too Close to the sun type thing where Balin will find what he's looking for but it'll drive him mad and it'll consume him yeah I think that's what's going to happen I think he finds abalo she possesses him and basically he yeah he ceases to exist and I think maybe we could see a fights in between B's dead carcass and shin what are you going to say it like that I don't know and to I guess we'll move back to the characters we talked about you know so and sa beine staying on how do you think they're going to get back into the main Galaxy or if they will ever get back to the main Galaxy do you think that they will end up going back space whales har yeah Harry's already mentioned the space Wes which I think we all can agree is probably the most likely answer given how they got there

1:59:06 Yeah or unless they get by somebody else like somebody else random also happens to have a Galaxy jumping device and gos are rescue them but maybe the mandal he's quite well known for just appearing in other people's shows he turns up for Boba Fett and has like two whole episodes about him maybe kogu leads him to them through his Force Powers well let's not forget there was one scene in the Mandalorian season 3 premiere where grou sees the pgle flying in hyperspace with them so who knows who knows but we do have two regret moments in the finale with isra finally reuniting with Hera and the new Republic which I was trying so hard not to laugh because is that a great moment that's what I was going to say is that a great moment it's a great moment for rbbl fans I guess because now you know Isa is back is's there he's gonna help out she was mortified to see him yeah because it comes out it comes out like a storm Tripper and he doesn't even take his helmet off till like way too late if I was there I would have just shot him yeah he doesn't even say anything

2:00:26 Either he just goes over to the Droid what's his name ands him on the head chopper yeah and proceeds to take hiss CH was though like a dog like you know senses his owner or something yeah he could smell him the Droid how does he manage to land on the on corusant as well without getting absolutely shot out of the SK no he landed in the ship not yeah he's on like the ship ah right and they allow that still yeah because I mean you feel like they would have learned the list from the first time you know an opening episode they just let a random ship like an old Jedi ship land in and then everyone dies and the Prisoner who they could not afford to lose exactly like gapsa and they do it once again exactly yeah but another great we see is thn ship is arriving to DAR which I think is personally one of the coolest planets in Star Wars It's the planet where Darth Mo came from sarra press the land of the night sisters as well I think in all those like coffins they had is either dead night sisters or

2:01:46 Some kind of like Army you know zombies like zombie Stormtrooper Army what's your what's your zombies yeah you hope it wouldn't be I like to think they did Jedi did Jedi yes and I think that the sisters or the mothers whatever you want to call them will use a similar type spell to resurrect them and control them that would be pretty forcing them to fight against their allies yeah or yeah that's what I hope happens because we need a bit more possess to the because right now they've got no for lightsaber holder in their group and they don't in the same universe where well gu some Galaxy we have Ezra and Luke who are both you know like I mean think they don't realize isra was a board and I guess when you think about Thorn may not know Luke exists yes but it seems like thrawn very much has some sort of a trump card and is so fixated on that cargo that he is willing to let Ahsoka and theml get so close to entering his ship

2:03:07 That you know he needs to make sure he gets all the cargo he doesn't care the cost he needs to all of it so it's clearly very important to him and it's clearly so powerful whatever it is that he Poss is that he only needs his one ship in his small band of night Troopers which is probably less than what 10,000 or something yeah far less maybe probably yeah no and that's the whole show Harry you said you had some thoughts on the season overall what do you rank it and did you enjoy the series obviously it's a Star Wars movie it's fun it's meant to be you're meant you're meant to watch it and enjoy it so I'd say as far as my enjoyment factor I did enjoy it I like lightsaber fight scenes I like the sort of fantasy elements and all that comparing it to the other Star Wars movies and the other Star Wars content I've seen I don't rate it as highly I would put it if I had to give it a rating out of 10 I'd probably say like a five it's pretty mid tier for me maybe a six because there was actually a lot of good lightsaber fightings and I can see that they're really trying

2:04:27 To make the choreography quite real I feel like even when they're holding the swords in this they even trying to make sure that the swords aren't getting close to their clothing or close to their bodies so that it looks like they're more like mechanically skilled with the weapons but yeah so overall I'd give it probably about a six maybe like a 5.5 me how about you Adam overall ranking of the show I'm going to be generous oh I'm also going to give it a six okay solely because of the references to the Clone Wars and the fact that it was visually pleasing yeah as slow as it was it was still entertaining yeah although I didn't I thought it was a little bit slow there were moments of the pacing which were good which made it humorous like when you said that Ezra you know was speaking to shin and fighting and said you know it's not looking too good for you and he just gets absolutely demolished and sent into one of those CRA Turtle thingies there are moments like that where it's good there are moments like that with Huang where it is humorous and you know it kind of takes away from

2:05:47 Whatever Mission it is they're doing and it creates a sort of wholesome environment for the characters that I value big fan of the costume thought that was great I thought they there was a little bit of unoriginality when it came to the interior design of some of the spaceships yes some boring yeah there was some of it that look rather star treis overall I enjoyed the character of Ahsoka Sabine largely makes this score so low if Sabine wasn't even a character I'd probably give it a seven oh okay yeah all right I know exactly what to give you for Christmas a action figure of Gosh Look destroyed yeah I'll tell you what if you if you do that I'll live stream it me destroying it I take it to one of those like release stress rooms where you can smash

2:07:07 Things smash yeah bring just take it out back in the sea food department and use all the different knives that's CH it Chuck it in the Bor impressed I thought it was a great show I personally G an eight out of 10 I enjoyed the story love the characters I was intrigued every episode I was invested every episode I feel like episode seven I enjoyed more on a rewatch knowing was to come in the finale and like actually looking at everything specifically but overall still kind of a me episode The I was disappointed by but oh someone's got a nice juicy car going but let's talk about some projects that are about to come up so I believe the next two shows sty shows that's meant to be coming out is the acolyte show and Skeleton Crew so Skeleton Crew is we don't have much information on what that show is all we knew is that it was meant to come out this year but the actors and ride strike that occurred yeah it's pushed back a lot of projects and we also had an acolyte show which say origin story about the Sith it's set before

2:08:27 The Phantom Min and how the Sith sort of you like came about and everything which I feel like that could be an interesting show Adam what's your thoughts on that since you're man I'm skeptical because it's Disney attempting to explain one of the most ruthless and inherently the evil elements of Star Wars yeah will they do it justice will they you know like sugarcoat it and make it not as aggressive and like horrifying because I mean the whole point of the dark side and the is that they have been overcome by power and greed and desire for more power they need to be mad in a sense for power yeah we can't have any of this PG kind of you know characters not being rage filled not wanting to Massacre a whole bunch of people not having gone through you know they need to have gone through something as heartbreaking as traumatic as Anakin yeah or General Grievous yeah or General Grievous very comparable very sad story Mr Grievous yeah it's like yeah like I feel like some of the best Sith characters like even Darth Mo the story of Darth MO is terrific

2:09:48 Heartbreaking but it's so epic at the same time such a hat F character I me all love a villain that has an insane backstory yeah that's why is one of the most recognizable villains film history and of just all time period like you search up top 10 villains he's like EAS the top three he is the epitome of an evil villain that guy yeah along with the Joker yeah J is pretty evil and there was a show the Boba fit season two The Book of boba F but apparently that's been cut and I'm a bit sad that's been cut and the reason why which Adam does not blow your mind that the rumored villain for the book of Boba Fett was Mace Wu oh really yeah which I feel like seeing mace as a villain while watching a story from the OG villain's perspective would be very interesting it would be but at the same time they ruined Boba fi's character in the first season especially having those emo kids there with those stupid bikes like no those bikes

2:11:08 Were really cool no they're stupid you know if yes they were they could have replaced them with three droids and the droids would have been better exactly so while I'm sad we don't get to see m w as a villain I'm kind of glad that they did cut the show because I'm not sure how good it would have would have been Mandalorian season 4 apparently that's going to happen because the end of season 3 is working with the new Republic and there been three movies announced so all of these were announced at the star war celebration that happened in April so three movies we're getting I forgot the title of this one but it's set 100 years before The Phantom Menace it's not the Old Republic sadly but it's a but some kind of like ancient Jedi potential Sith type thing then we're getting a ray movie because we all love R okay skip n to Fu years after the rise but most interesting movie which I think a lot of fans are really excited for especially after the soer series is the Mando verse film

2:12:28 Air to the Empire which is going to be the infinity War type movie for all these different shows so it's going to have the Mandalorian characters the Boba Fett characters Ahsoka characters the original trilogy characters most likely all teaming up against thrawn and there is a comic book Trilogy called heir to the Empire which the throne Trilogy and that is set after Return of the jid which thorn in the remains of the Empire against Luke KH and Leia I was personally a bit worried for this movie because I feel like you need to have the original trilogy gang in there especially because it's so soon after Return of the Jedi but with Ahsoka Mandalorian the Rebels characters have brought in I was a bit worried that maybe the original characters would just be lift out but now when I think about it with ahok beine being stuck in peridia they could very easily have Luke Han and Leia come into this what's your thoughts on this Harry yeah I feel like if they were going to do that it would be more of a cameo and like a quick one I don't think if cuz they can't get the original looking characters now unless they're spending loads

2:13:48 Of money and it's just not worth it to get a CGI version of Luke Skywalker back yes it is not for a whole movie I it's I don't think for a scene I don't think they'll ever do that I think it's too expensive Star Wars fans like myself have all wanted to see Luke in his prime as he is touted to be Kenan the most powerful Jedi yeah even more powerful than worth even more most worth it thing they could possibly be for their franchise but they won't do it no too expensive it's too expensive to make a whole movie with them I think the biggest mistake for make five rubbish series they can spend that money on a that's true though cuz I feel like a mistake they made in the sequels was bringing back the original trilogy characters and then you're poorly killing them off or not giving them character they deserve they kind of ruined Luke's character they did that stupid thing with Princess Leia where she mared Poppins who was through space and obviously they could have H Sol I feel like this leave the original trilogy gang out of it and if you're going to bring them in make them the main characters

2:15:09 Because to this day I mean obviously you some people argue that maybe the prequels could be better but I personally feel like people like the prequels because the Clone was but the original trilogy nothing will compare to that which is so interesting because that was the first stuff made and that was in the 80s you know so how can the modern technology of 2023 not be able to make stuff like nearly as good as like the original it's because it's about money now it's not about making a good cinematic experience but should they invest the money in something that will generate the money yeah if they make it good enough yeah if they make it good enough to blow block box office through the roof it' be insane I think I think what they should try to do is instead of focusing on trying to get as many different audience members as possible make something that Star Wars fans will be more eager to watch make it Prime Luke Skywalker for a whole film and C whole film I don't care how I don't yeah I think make luk main character I just would never happen I feel

2:16:29 Well mean now that you know all of the cool characters have been killed off who else can be except for sh except for Shen hope you know don't forget my fure f but unfortunately this does bring us to the end of the podcast Adam and Harry thank you guys so much for coming on Adam I've wanted you to come on before but we just couldn't make it work because of scheduling for Traders New Zealand so I'm so glad you were finally able to make it for Star Wars yes you're welcome and Har yes thank you for having me yeah and you Harry you know you're part of the blow you know at pack and save you know why shut everyone no context for that by the way cont no context no context the managers of the pack will be after me so yeah I just want to say thanks so much Harry for coming on board wor even though you literally watch a finale of soy literally right before we record but yeah thank so much for coming on as well as you Adam yeah I really appreciate you guys you're my boys thank you so much for coming

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