Survivor 44 Finale Review ft @SurvivorScholars

0:00 Foreign [Music] [Music] [Music] foreign [Music] [Music] welcome back to the nullified take Channel where we've got the TNT takes for you on Survivor 44 it's finale episode recap time I'm your host Chris and with me as always is my co-host Jake but we've got two very special guests here on the channel for the very first time Alyssa and Rachel from the Survivor Scholars channel be sure to check them out if you like their takes in this episode we do have a link to their channel on

1:21 The description of this video as well but Alyssa I'll go to you first how you doing and how are you feeling after this Survivor 44 you know Season just concluded I feel like this season of Survivor was basically exactly what we expected I called who one of the three winners was going to be and you know I called it from the first episode from that first match chat so I'm feeling pretty good about my Survivor takes this season but I am kind of disappointed in who won but you know it's life yeah I think there's gonna be a lot of people that are going to be disappointed I did a poll prior to the finale episode last night and I asked who do you think or who do you want to win and I think it was over 50 overwhelmingly wanted Carolyn to win the season and we had like over 300 votes on the channel as well so Rachel how are you feeling are you as down as Alyssa on the ending of the season and does you know if you're disappointed at the ending does that sort of you know now put a cloud over your whole Survivor 44 experience and as you want someone this I think going into the finale definitely like my head I was saying okay Jim Jones probably winning but my heart was saying come on Carolyn

2:42 Did win the season so I'm excited here to chat with you all tonight I don't think Carolyn losing and jam winning what's a cloud on the entire season I think it is a good ending even if you are a super big fan of Carolyn and wanted to see her win yeah so just for the live out there you can see I do a Vibe check with people before I bring them in I made sure they're both Carol and fans so they're cool in our Books Okay Jake how did you feel after the end of this season I know that we try to stay as impartial as we could I feel like you've done a better job at that like I've been a Carolyn Stan I've been standing here the whole season but I don't know really know how you felt about this finale going into it who did you want to win and you know how did this sort of play out for you are you like high on the season at the end of this like Rachel said you know does this you know still make it a good season or does the winner not being your favorite potentially sort of you know make you look at the season differently I don't like sounding like a broken record because these two kind of share my thoughts I really wanted Carolyn to win my dad really wanted Kayla to win my girlfriend really wanted Carolyn to win I mean she was screaming she was like no would you with all the jam votes were coming in no why her and

4:02 She was so upset that she didn't even get one vote and I was that was the worst actually that yeah really stuck not her not getting one single but I felt like she deserved it but I do wonder and we'll talk about this towards the end if it wasn't due to another player maybe having a really strong performance towards the end game that people were scared like in winners of War where they potentially would have voted for Michelle as a runner-up but they didn't want to risk you know the winning not the right winner winning the game at the end so maybe that also played in people's minds a little bit and they didn't give Carolyn the vote in that case so we'll talk about that a little bit I want to say hello to a few people here in the live we've got Chris back I know Chris would be mourning bear Carolyn Stan as well Dolores back in the live welcome Dolores Jay how you doing Jay it's always good to have you back like you said it's similar to what Bruce said let's go you know I was so happy to see Bruce I don't know who else were like I feel like we need an All-Star season when it comes to 46 because the excitement level for me was through the roof when Bruce was on our screens and I mean we only had him for like an episode right Jake if you're getting if you're getting excited by Bruce then I don't know I would like to see a reaction to seeing somebody like Carolyn come back that would be really funny yeah I think it's going to be epic Christian welcome back as well saying hey TNT Survivor

5:22 45 season of Pelican Austin Texas all right yeah the Pelican and the trailer one of the things that stood out for me and I know this is talking about next season right is that I saw the auction Hammer being hurt like because the auction coming back potentially Rachel did you notice that are you a little bit excited about the potential of getting a Survivor auction back I saw a lot of people on the internet talking about oh the gavel means the auction's coming back I think it would be fun to see the auction come back like Alyssa and I have talked about that so many times okay have the auction back if they're afraid of people just waiting for an advantage at the end of the auction straight up say there's no advantages it's just food we love seeing people's food reactions whether it's fun food or like really gross food that they're getting that's the fun of the auction just say straight up there is no Advantage don't save me money let's see people fight over the food and it would be a fun time although I feel like you have to be a little bit skeptical and maybe Survivor editors are just tricking all of us and putting a random I like what you're doing Rachel you're saying keep your expectations logo and into the season because if it's at the bottom rock bottom it can only go up from there if we do get the auction

6:42 I do think it's a podcast for another time how do you fix the auction I think it's something we could talk about I've got a couple of ideas I think some of the international shows are doing interesting things with the auction to keep people or players on their toes at least but I want to get into this episode and talk a little bit about the finale we had the final five here in the beginning coming into this episode The Power Rankings that myself and Kahuna did we had it listed in the following order we had Lauren at number five we had Heidi at number four we had yam at number three we had Carolyn at number two and Carson clear out in front at number one which I feel like we were justified in those rankings at least on Carson because a lot of people spoke about how big of a threat he was in the game and the fact that he was running a lot of it but the one thing I didn't see Alyssa and that really sort of caught me off guard was Lauren was apparently a lot bigger threat than what any of us realized because everybody spoke about how after Carson Lauren is one of the biggest threats to get out of the game were you as shocked by that as I was or did you have you always been on to Lauren being a really big threat coming into this final five I'm not sure that I was on to Lauren being like almost on par with Carson as a big threat but I feel like pre-emerge at least I was kind of like okay I'm waiting for Lauren to like get more Steam and I feel like

8:02 For Lauren I think you would be justified in maybe not seeing her as big of a threat because I think she wasn't edited super well just because Jam and Carolyn and to a lesser extent Carson are all such like big personalities and I feel like Lauren's personality is kind of not low-key but she's definitely a little bit more Flatline like she's not as big high highs and low lows as like jam or Carolyn so I feel like she gets underedited in comparison with those two especially and so it's hard to tell someone's Threat Level when you're not seeing as much of them as you're seeing of like other people like I think coming into this finale episode I was also kind of prepared for Heidi to do well in final Tribal Council just because we've kind of seen this pattern of like the actual winner it gets a little bit underedited and then people are kind of like wait what they're the winner so I guess I didn't see Lauren as super huge threat but I also could see why you would put her low so I always like looking back at like the season after it's finished and looking at like soft interactions that we caught on camera which sometimes goes over people's heads the first time they watch it right and one of the things that stood out for me that I was thinking about was how quickly Lauren was able to go and work and have some strategic conversations with Danny after

9:22 Her right-hand person and Brandon was or we thought it was a writing person apparently it was Kane but Brandon was voted out and she seemed to be really good talking to different people I think the biggest mistake on Lauren's behalf or what she really didn't get right this season Rachel is just reading the room when it comes to both Carson and yam because she thought she had a way with them in the game and they were voting together but even after they didn't vote with them for two straight tribal councils they still try to trust them maybe a vote or two Vote or so too long in the game and it could have been a different story this could have been Lauren's season how do you feel about Lauren now that you know the show is over do you feel like she had a great arc on the show are you do you feel fulfilled with the time that Lauren spent there I mean she was this single mother going out there doing it for the kids wanting to be a great role model how did you feel about Lauren you know going out here in fifth place yeah I feel like I agree with Alyssa like with Lauren's Bennett we didn't really see too much I feel like of like okay the strategy of what she was doing out there so her going out in fifth does make sense here because she's not making that final Tribal Council I would say though it would have been fooled from like exit press we're hearing like Lauren Jamie really close maybe more of that relationship and how they were navigating different votes as the last ratu people standing

10:43 I can also see why the tika 3 here would think that Lauren is such a big threat because she's got all of her ratsu people on the jury that might be a little bit scary like okay she could have three votes secured because her three friendos are right there on the jury so I think I would be a little bit scared to take someone like that to the end just in case like her social game was that strong that those people would be automatic votes for her and then you know there's only eight people on the jury if you have three secured votes notes you only need two more in order to win it so I can definitely see why people would be scared to take her to the final four and final three yeah so Jake we come into this new beach which you we've spoken about a million times here we're not the biggest fans of just moving them to a new beach for the sake of moving them to a new beach it's like what are we doing but they get onto this new beach and instead of there being a clue hidden or an advantage hidden in the final immunity or the second last immunity challenge of the season they do go and hide an idol again because Heidi played her Idol how shocked were you that by the end of this was like maybe the one tool that could have saved Lauren in the game at the spot no one seems to be able to find this immunity I don't do you think that this is sort of because they've been given things on

12:03 A platter this whole season they just go to ship wheel Island and they automatically get an idol or they can see this big cage out there maybe they're just not as in tune with actually finding an idol out in the wild as they should be yeah I think that's you know they got a two complacent with oh it's right there no but I just thought it was weird that they even showed us the idol when nobody even found it I think they did this in 41 as well where they like you know show it on screen it like lights up boom here's the idol and people just walking past usually they do that like oh this person missed it but then this person walked by and they actually found it and so nobody even found it I just thought it was a bit waste of time honestly nobody even found it and you know they tried to like fool us like they cut away with Lauren like oh does she have it yam and Care Carson are saying I think she might have something it was just a fill time I thought it was yeah they could have put in more than yeah Jay here says that if Lauren found that Idol Carolyn and Carson likely flips on yam at five and assuming Hardy wins the final four immunity Heidi likely goes against Carson and the fire with immunity

13:23 When's the idle play likability Lawrence Lauren wins yeah it's possible we don't know you know or in that case that Heidi then do enough to win the game who knows because then suddenly she's not going up against yam at the end who seemed to be such a great social player but you know Woulda Coulda Shoulda it sadly didn't work because they couldn't find the idol cast washer saying Castle went from son to proud father cheering for his Tinker kids on the final travel Council we'll talk about that for sure and I do want to you know say that you know Heidi this episode really came to play I think this is the first time that we've seen someone like come from nowhere really because she's sort of for most of the Season we've seen her as someone that could either completely be blown out of the game be voted out next or could potentially win so we had three categories in our power rankings we had you know sole survivor spy Shack because they're hiding out somewhere we don't know if they're going to go up or down and then we had on the edge if we thought you had no shot and Heidi was in the Spy Shack for me most of the season because I saw elements of Brilliance I saw elements of strategy throughout the season which I really appreciated and I always knew that she was a potential sleeper that could have a late run but I did not expect Alyssa for Heidi to have the run that she had in this episode she does end up winning this final immunity which is going to come in clutch and she

14:43 Does something that I don't know if a lot of us like we're fans of the show we all say yes you should always if you if you think you're not going to win you should take on the person and fire but you know as a fan of the show it's one thing to say it's sitting on your couch but for Heidi to go out there and to actually make the big move were you impressed by how Heidi played the end game here in these in this last episode I think I was impressed mostly because she said that she didn't know how good Carson was at fire and I was like I don't think I would have had the guts to challenge someone in fire if I had no idea how good they were because it's like we as the audience know that Carson is not gonna fire jam and Carolyn both know that Carson is not good at fire but Carolyn or not Carolyn sorry Heidi was like I have no idea how good Carson is at fire but I still think I want to go up against him so I feel like that was a thing for me that like impressed me because I was like this could either be a really stupid move or a really great move and I think the fact that we were shown that Carson is like so bad at fire kind of like tilted that more towards this being a great move for Heidi because we know that she's going to win against Carson and fire unless like God himself comes down to Grant Carson fire making abilities so I thought that was really cool I was really impressed both with her immunity win and with her decision to like make the gutsy decision and kind of boost her resume at the last minute yeah because

16:03 We saw throughout the season that she was practicing fire in her backyard but Carson apparently practiced as well and when you're out there on the island conditions is a little bit different it's a bit more humid it's maybe not as easy as trying to you know strike a flint in drier conditions so it's not optimal and one of the I think sweetest moments of the finale for me personally was and I you know I'm a bit of an emotional guy every now and again I can be a little bit like Carolyn you know I had maybe like a little bit of a tear or two going out when I saw Carson struggle and Rachel yamyam showed Humanity you know he was going out there and helping his competition he could very well go up against Carson in the end is this a moment a defining moment in yam's game where it kind of made sense like I don't know how you felt about it for me it was like everybody told us how great his social game was and we saw little bits of it but this really showed that you know he cared for Carson on that deeper level that is beyond the game and I don't know if there is another player out there that would have done the same thing that yam did in that specific moment hi Bree it was a really warming moment like even we heard Carson say yeah if I were in his shoes I'm not sure if I would have done that thing like it is such a cute moment and unselfish for Jam to be helping his potential competition they

17:24 Didn't know what Heidi was going to do Heidi said he had tribal counsel she didn't know what she was going to do she was still deciding so for someone in this game for a million dollars to help someone else like that it definitely shows how good of a bond jam and Carson have and just like jam wanting to build that relationship it's such a human moment I totally agree I think that it really showed that he I mean he could have put himself at risk there but he also had that confidence in his own ability that he could make that fire really quickly if he did need to go up against Carson and I think that the whole thing seeing Carson like freak out getting his own head Jake you're someone that have said before like you'd love to go and play Survivor but sometimes there's that little voice in your head that says can I actually do it you know as this young kid to go out there what was it like seeing Carson like literally he's played almost the Flawless game I think he probably in hindsight played you know everybody in the jury said he played the best game he probably played the best game that didn't win this season but he you could do everything right and then you get that one moment that you need to step up and then all that confidence that he built throughout this whole season just went away and he went back to Carson from back home not Survivor Carson that did so much what was it like for you seeing that and is there things that you can learn

18:44 From it if you ever did get the call to go out there and play the game I mean it was like looking in a mirror you know like yeah I'm thinking you know this definitely lesser less extreme but in these past finals that I had to take you know I've had A's all semester I've done super well on all the tests I know that the finals are going to be very similar and yeah I'm like I'm probably gonna fail aren't I'm probably gonna bomb this I'm gonna have to retake the class and it's like why do I think that I know I've done well I know I've studied I know this and there's just a voice in your head sometimes and you just have to you just have to block it out and you know unfortunately Carson just couldn't do that it seemed it even seemed like while he was making the fire it seemed like he was very hesitant he was very like slow moving whereas Heidi was like boom boom that's just it's almost like he's like maybe I don't even feel like I should win so how can I win if I don't even think I should win very it's just a very interesting very real

20:04 You see these are the moments that I think make survivor great and you know if we were to get these longer episodes in Survivor 45 I hope we get more of these human moments and that we don't get these extra minutes focused more on additional twists or fake Idols because you know Jeff was so excited even towards the end of this episode he continued to talk about the fake Idols you know like Jamie did you know you had a fake Idol he still wanted his moment Alyssa had bombed but he wanted to make fake Idols a thing off this season what did you think about that I just think just they felt like so unnecessary because I was like why 'd you feel like her only like her whole thing was about the idol this season and now you're just rubbing it in her face that it was a fake Idol like I feel like the joy of those moments is when they go to play the idol and then find out they're fake and it's like there's no stakes in finding out who that your idol was fake like days after you could have used it and I think like the whole thing seemed to just be a setup because he wanted to like tell people in the future like oh if you see this Idol it might still be a fake Idol or it could be real and I was kind of like Jeffrey why are we doing this so it definitely it felt kind of inconsequential

21:25 To me I was not a big fan did Jeff hint at ghost Island 2 I think he did I think he did that's what I was thinking when he was like this is going to come back he said This is Gonna Come Back he didn't say this might come back I think he just confirmed it yeah well listen I'm a I'm a fan of ghost Island I always have but I don't I don't care you know I mean with the with the extra time I think it could definitely be better than how it was originally yeah I think I think it could work I think these twists that have done you know this worst twist that we've seen like age for me is still a lot worse than what ghost island is like I mean we're going to compare the two let's just get go styling back I do want to read a few more comments here Chris is saying I didn't like Carson coaching Carolyn this whole season they have looked down at her and thought she was capable of doing things herself Carolyn didn't need his help don't baby her the coaching moment that Carson gave Carolyn I'm trying to remember it can one of you enlighten me I feel like yeah so I think we're all like jumping okay so when Danny asked Carolyn wait so why was it so important for you to vote me out Carson was like oh is it I don't even know what he was trying to signify he was like holding up the number three like I don't that's

22:45 An okay hand like you're doing great like oh okay this is what you're supposed to be saying okay yeah and then yeah her answer was apparently satisfactory for Carson because he was he was happy with it I must have because I've been taking notes so I must have like looked down and written something down at the exact moment that happened so I'm gonna have to go back and watch it now so that would be annoying though because one of the things while we're talking about Carolyn and you know her journey here on the show she's loved by everybody like everybody thinks Carolyn's the new star of Survivor that's clear I mean she won the CR money you know she got the hundred thousand dollars which is well deserved she came into the show being you know herself and played this emotional game one of the story lines that they sort of tried to push the narrative they try to push on us the season was that it's okay to be an emotional player and play the game and even at the end there was this whole thing about you can be an emotional playing play in this game and still win the game but she didn't win the game though so Rachel can you be an emotional player in this game and win the game at the end or do you think that it's too much of a weakness why do you think Carolyn fell short here at the end oh such a loaded question I feel like yes it would be possible to win the game and be an emotional player with that I feel like at final Tribal Council it seems like Carolyn's

24:06 Answers maybe weren't satisfactory for the people on the jury if the jury members were different or were looking for different things then maybe that kind of storyline would have resonated and it seems like Carolyn feels sort of similar in her exit interview she was talking about how she kept upbringing don bringing up like emotions and how she's an emotional player at final tribal and realizing oh maybe the jury doesn't want to continue hearing this let me I need to talk about other aspects of my game here and so it is interesting her storyline because with her big edits you wouldn't necessarily think oh she's going to be a vote finalist usually the zero vote finalists are edited in or goatee way oh they're not really playing the games they're being point to the end so here it's sort of shocking that she's a zero vote finalist where a lot of us as viewers see her playing the game being super strategic being so lovable on camera but then it seems like her cast members she said throughout the season I'm being underestimated they also underestimated her here at final Council and maybe not seeing her game maybe she wasn't explaining her game well enough at final tribal or maybe they don't respect that kind of gameplay but it would be interesting now after the season has

25:26 Aired and the cast has seen the season do people on the jury see like oh Carolyn was actually doing stuff maybe I could have voted for her why did I not vote for her at final tribal after seeing all of this background information but then I guess you could say yeah because Carolyn couldn't articulate that well enough then she can't win the game because she couldn't get her story across and you see you bring up a valid point there because I in my mind I was thinking why did Carolyn not get more votes why wasn't she more well received by the jury and I think it does come down to her communication style because you know she is authentically herself but we've seen a lot of the times that she gets a little bit in her own head and you know I think that she sometimes Maybe Can't verbalize what she did out there as well or get it across in a way where it sounds really presentable and maybe yam funny enough who had the same issues throughout the season he was just a little bit better in the finale but one of the things that stood out for me was when they went to vote I know one of them said that yam explained I think it was Fran he said yam just explained His Story from beginning to end better he just had a more coherent story on how he got to the end Alyssa how much of the finale do you think was cut out there for us because I didn't see this great story by yam I didn't see him explain his game this clearly I

26:46 Feel like we missed out quite a lot because when I looked at all three of them there doing their final pitch I thought it was very close between the three of them yeah it's interesting because I actually kind of thought that Carolyn was the one who had that biggest like through line of the story of like you know I played with my emotions and it turned out that was actually a good thing for me like I'm not really sure what Jan Jam's story was other than just like I'm a really social player but I feel like a lot must have been cut out I feel like there was also some stuff that like Jim said that he did that we didn't see like during when it was actually happening like he was talking about how he had personal relationships with everyone on the jury and I was like we did not see most of that most of that we saw like we saw mostly his relationship with Carson and with Carolyn and so it feels weird to be told later than that like oh he had all these great relationships with everyone else so I feel like we definitely lose a lot to The Cutting Room floor he wished they showed Jamie Moore because she was important to her story so it's maybe one of those people that you mentioned there Alyssa Jake I was gonna say my take on why Jam did so well is I think he was able to kind

28:06 Of Steal Carolyn's story a bit because they were very similar in their circumstance they were together the entire game and you know they were both kind of 1A and 1B to Carson and I guess Jam was just able to like kind of step in as the Carson between the two of them and be like yeah it was me and Carson oh and I guess Carolyn was there too he would answer a lot of the questions that would be asked to Carson if he were at the final traffic Council and was able to answer them whereas Carolyn was kind of brushed to the side it was almost like you know they didn't really consider her as much in the first place I think they kind of wrote her off which is what it's funny because I felt like the story was they were writing her off and then they weren't but then they actually did a bit weird I feel like the edit towards the end of this season was a bit sloppy I feel like the whole like Carolyn coming out story of like yeah I'm actually a strong player and everybody sees it you know they're even you know trying to take me out right now they failed so you know I'm going to become observo finalist naturally you know like it just it didn't really make

29:27 Sense I agree and from a storytelling perspective as well we even start this episode off with yammy I'm saying that I need a big move on my resume I don't have that yet but finding the idol that's going to really help me because I can potentially play it his biggest thing that he tried to do was take Carolyn out which never really happened he never really got that wish of hers because Carson kept defending her and I feel like you know if Carson got to the end and yammy have sat next to him at the end unless he did end up cutting him he would have had difficulty in winning this game so a lot of things like we know Survivor is not all about skill it is luck as well as skill and things have to fall in place I do feel like a lot of things fell in place for Yam but when the end like you just said when the end opportunity came for him to pitch his case on why you know they were underestimated why that was a good thing because they could move between ratu and Soca slowly but surely get into Power he did deliver I think that his final Tribal Council performance from that point of view showed a great awareness and he gave them the story he gave the jury the story that they needed to hear to vote for someone to win this game I want to read a couple more here of the comments let's see what people are saying Jay says yes Sarah Jamie Kane too was done really dirty by the editors both of them were better

30:47 Social strategic players than were shown I think that we all know like it's a 40-minute episode it's very hard for them to give everybody airtime all the time like someone just by the fact that it's 40 minutes someone is going to get shafted and they also have to tell the story of the person who's gonna win and the people around it I do how do you all feel and I'll start with you also how do you feel about the editing this season as a whole because I do feel like Survivor us have gone in a better Direction than what it's done like maybe three four seasons ago especially Erica's season was one that I was very upset about the end result of that how do you feel about this season and the editing that was done this season little bit difficult because like I obviously haven't had time to watch the entire season since yesterday but I think the editing has definitely improved since like 41 42 I feel like I was not as blindsided by jams win as I felt with some of the other winners but I also feel like especially with Carolyn's edit I'm kind of like why did you give her such importance if like you're just going to undermine like everything that she did in the end anyway and so I guess like there are some ways where I feel like Survivor has definitely improved on the editing but then other ways where I feel like it's definitely not I

32:07 Know especially in pre-emerge I feel like the editing was weaker I feel like it kind of came and went in waves and post merge where there were some episodes where I was like wow this was a really well edited episode in some episodes where I was like what the heck so I feel like we're generally on the upward Trend but there's still some like wubbles that we could resolve I do think that with Carolyn they just had a superstar on their hands like how do you not like how do you make Caroline how do you give it a classic zero vote finalist edit like I don't know if you can because she's just the Larger than Life character and the relationship between the three tikas was quite unique this season and I think from a storytelling perspective if you look at and this is how I felt coming into this finale week Rachel I felt anybody of T like I wanted Carolyn to win but I felt like we needed a t-co win for the season to feel satisfying because this was really their season and a season where they set alliances doesn't exist anymore one Alliance Reigns Supreme and that was the Tikka three I agree I think that's the three and their relationship and storyline from the entire season I think is something that a lot of people are going to remember about this season I think it will be interesting on a re-watch okay from day one can we see some

33:27 Of the spark of these three coming together because Carson originally maybe was going to go with Helen and Sarah on Tikka imagine on day three and instead she chose to go with the younger crowd there how different the season would have been but I do think like they've been so cool to see this human connection between these three they're still hanging out after the show they all love each other so much and like that is something so cool to see even if people are being put throughout even if people feel butt hurt after the game ends that they have formed such a strong connection together and I agree coming into the finale we were saying yeah probably one of the three tickets are going to win if Heidi somehow pulls out one big move going into the end and somehow wins it would feel sort of like a and satisfying ending because Chinese edit wasn't necessarily that good and we've seen her sort of Flubber aspects of the game coming into the finale so I am like it is really cool that she did throw herself into fire but I am glad that her simply throwing herself into fire wasn't enough to win the game yes because this now is grateful

34:47 The future of Survivor because I feel like you know fire making has become such an important aspect of the final four that it kind of sets this I feel like you know it sits a bar for players to throw themselves in like last season we had the whole thing with gabler and Cassidy right and she didn't throw herself in and everybody was like you should have done it and now Heidi has done and guess what joke still Heidi didn't win so going forward hopefully people won't expect players to throw themselves in because it's now proven that it's not going to basically give you the win every season it's one of the most unfair expectations you can have of somebody I mean oh my gosh you have immunity you have a guaranteed spot in the final three and you're just like yeah you should just give that up and risk everything so it's a very unfair expectation and huge props to Heidi for being willing to do that I mean I can't imagine ever taking that necklace off I mean wow but I think you know at the same time it's like kind of was her only option I feel like she was aware you know either way even if she did win the fire

36:07 Making I think she knew deep down I probably don't have a very good chance against anyone here but I might as well go balls to the wall it got nothing to lose so I hope yes that this is not the expectation because then that would kind of it would just make for a really weird I guess meta for the game of like yeah you have to it's like a checklist if that box isn't checked you can't be the winner it becomes too end heavy like we're too focused on what happens right at the end instead of someone's whole game going into the final which I think everyone should look at the whole game to say this person dominated 80 of the game not the last 20 of it by doing this fire making challenge I don't want to say like I wonder if there is still like such a thing as runner-up money like you know it used to be back in the day you win a hundred thousand dollars if you're a second I don't know if that still exists but did she throw away a hundred thousand dollars potentially by doing this but you should never play for a second you should always play for first in my mind I think that Heidi really did everything she possibly could at the end game to really solidify herself as someone that Jeff would probably

37:28 Think about bringing back in a future season because when he talks about playing Survivor Full Tilt Boogie this is his version of Full Tilt Boogie right Alyssa is Guy balls to the wall leaving nothing out there trying to get into the final trying to make the best possible moves to be able to win the game yeah I think that it's always interesting to see like I feel like Jeff's version of Full Tilt Boogie is very much leaning on like you know Idols really big flashy plays putting yourself into fire instead of not putting yourself into fire and I feel like to borrow a word The Meta of Survivor actually doesn't benefit from that version of Full Tilt Boogie and like I agree that like you should never play for second place but I also feel like you shouldn't play just for you know how good it's gonna look on TV and so I feel like there's some part of me wonders like Heidi went back a lot to like I want to show the people who are watching me that you can do things and I'm like how much of how you play Survivor is informed by the fact that you know that there are people watching you that there are going to be people podcasting about you and talking about your experience and your choices and so I do Wonder like was Heidi aware of the fact that like she would get black if she didn't put herself into fire was that part of the reason Beyond like needing to because she

38:48 Didn't have as strong of an end game as some of the other people was she also aware that like if I don't do it that's going to be a mark against me so that's just where my thoughts are as far as Heidi and her fire Russell muscle welcome here in the live saying I want to see everyone full told Boogie like Bruce jumping full-till Boogie into season 45 like you know isn't he liking his mid-40s I was kind of fearful he was gonna like sprain something in his back doing that so I don't know like we don't get medically evacuated episode one again oh God don't put don't put there in the universe hey oh I just I worry for him he's gonna be so timid and challenges I just know he's like not gonna go full out because he's just I mean I can't blame him he'd be so worried yeah well hopefully he's a bit more careful going into this next one he went out in a very bizarre way I want to read a few more of the comments here Jason's exit press isn't Canon but Carson did say that when he went back to Ponderosa everyone said they would have voted for him so 100 van Carson would have beaten yam at final Tribal Council that's some interesting insights DJ I think it's possible it sounded like that all were saying you were like let us convince us that you weren't just playing Carson's game in the final so I do feel like Carson did have a very dominant performance this season

40:09 And also if we think about potential future Seasons if Carson comes back his game might be quite underrated compared to like a Jesse or Omar because I feel like Jesse and Omar had much more of the Mastermind edit than Carson and a big thing that Carson did this season I think was the fact that he was like playing into that I'm this young kid that still needs to learn things I'm not confident in myself and people kind of wanted to take him under their wing when he in reality he's a Silent Assassin so I do want to see him come back Marcus here says an underrated thing that yemyan did at Tribal Council was make the jury laugh he pretty much had them eating at the palm of these hand shades of Tony barkers from winners at War very true how important is it to be out there and be this person that can make people laugh that can lighten the mood in these tense situations Rachel do you think that this is something that he shares with other winners Tony was brought up as someone I know Fabio towards the end he was a bit of a jokester as well how powerful can it be I think it could be super powerful I feel like in Jam's final tribal council speeches you can see that kind of like personality shine through and I feel like in his answers to questions he does so well the life and play speaking serious and then he does like a quick jump

41:29 In there and then put camera to the dream laughing and like he plays it off so well I feel like he can sort of diss someone and be like Yeah you sort of sucked or we had to vote you out because of XYZ but then he spins it and even though he's sort of knocking you down said funny so you won't be offended by it because it was just a joke he wasn't actually like being rude towards me you won't get offended because he spun it into a positive even if he was trying to say like yeah I deserve the win because I did this better than them he does it in such a like masterful way with a joke in there so I do think like being personable like that being able to Frack quick jokes especially when you're not eating and not sleeping is such a powerful thing like you'd want to keep that person around because they're fun to be around they're chill they make you laugh like if you want to surround yourself with people that are fun and make you laugh rather than people that are like annoying people that complain all the time so I do think Jam jams energy and that personality probably helped him a lot with that social game yeah I think that oh sorry I think that we gotta remember you can't win

42:49 Survivor if you are not liked by the jury let's think of who's probably the most unliked winner by the jury I would say probably Brian from Thailand the only reason he won because he had somebody even more unlikable sitting next to him so if you're not liked by the jury you better hope you got somebody even less liked by the jury sitting next to you and so just having the jury love you is already gonna raise your probability of winning astronomically and I think he was able to do that really well while simultaneously like explaining like yeah it was actually this like masterful social player but then like joking about it as Rachel was saying it was really good final tribal from him yeah agreed I want to read a couple more of the comments here they're coming in thick and fast apologies if we can't get to all of them tonight we're doing our best Gabe said this season the winner was obviously going to be a Tikka 100 agree Danica welcome to the live always good to have you here as well Jay's saying final four fire making has become such a boogie man that's true and says imagine how Cassidy felt seeing the jury not value Heidi putting herself into fire for Carson even when it was a record too

44:09 Yeah we don't even talk about that record time and you know I can't imagine it feels good for Cassidy to know that someone else did what they wanted her to do and still maybe she feels justified in a way but it's probably still not a good feeling right Alyssa you know seeing something like this happen and it's surely still going to be pretty raw for her because she was on the show not that long ago yeah and it was like I wonder if there ever was a way for Cassidy to win like people might say like oh Cassie if you would put yourself into fire you would have won but like I don't know I feel like sometimes when juries say like I came into this open to voting for anyone I'm kind of like were you really though and so I kind of feel like did they just say that as a like kind of a diversion for the real reason why they didn't vote for Cassidy and was that just kind of an easy thing to say rather than like dissecting something later in her game as a reason that they didn't want to vote for her and kind of I think that kind of speaks to you know the way that the jurors this season are maybe looking deeper into the game than just like the last four moves of the game where they are saying like oh this one impressive move isn't good enough for me and so I the my like wish list for Survivor

45:30 That I know is never going to happen is I would love to have like just Ponderosa Style videos where every juror sits down and explains why they voted the way that they voted because I just I want to know that I want to like know people's real thoughts about why they were voting the way that they did instead of kind of guessing based on stuff that they say in exit press so yeah it's that's a good point I mean I did like how they try to bring the jury in a little bit in this episode it felt different to me with them kind of talking about the three finalists games and how they got there instead of the three finalists telling us why they think they should win I kind of like that sort of reverse I know they've done similar things in the past but for some other reason it stood out to me I just want to acknowledge a super chat here from Zoe thank you my friend she sends it's through said I haven't watched the episode yet we'll get out of here no spoilers but glad to catch the lives love you buddy obviously the same love you Tuesday I'll see you in South Africa so I appreciate it so much let's read a few more of the comments coming in Dolores saying I've not had a chance to listen to Jeff's podcast but I've seen a bunch of other ones I'm happy to say I saw Sia giving Carolyn the prize which is really good and I do miss the reunions the actual reunions where we could see Sierra giving the money or you know we could see yam getting the million dollar check I

46:50 Saw that why presents at one of their events Jake they actually had a mock-up check that they had Mike gabler give to yam as the new winner sort of passing the torch along why is it up to the players now Jake to do these kind of reunion shows and these liveings and the rest of us that are big fans we don't get to see it we just see photos afterwards it's just one of us peasants have to deal with nowadays yeah I think what I think needs to happen here Jake is since I'm not eligible you've got to get on the show and then demand to one of those events exactly you know like that's the only way I'm not going to be a peasant it's by you going out there and playing you know you have to go suffer there for 26 days without food so I can get an invite to the Cool Kids Club I have to do everything in my power to get on Jeff's good side I have to make analogies at Travel Council I have to make big moves and dig deep and make fake Idols and then I'll convince them or you could just ask Mike White is what you're saying I don't know what's more unlikely you're becoming friends with Mike White or doing all those other things get onto the show I feel like maybe getting on the shows easier yeah maybe I think I'll go for that yeah

48:10 I do think we need you there but you know in all seriousness Alyssa you know we don't get to see these reunions anymore and I feel like as a fan like we're really missing out I know Jeff has said that potentially in the future we're going to get both we're going to get the immediate vote and see who wins with potentially a reunion show so this may be hope but how do you feel about the fact that we've got the players taking things into their own hands and they're doing their own After parties and getting the whole cast together to go and celebrate like shame on Survivor surely because they've got the budget the players now have to go on their own dime and fly to New York or to wherever these events are being held surely we can call survive out a little bit for that yeah I feel like in general there's a lot of like the like at like reunion and like the players like coming to celebrate new ones is one part of it I also feel like it's really rude to have like the final three like barely get any time to process before they're then like shoved into like tell me about your game like I really don't like the current way that they're doing reunions and I wanted to go back to the old way I don't even want like a mix of like oh we'll do the mini Fiji reunion and then also do a live reunion like just do the live reunion and let it

49:30 Be so this is the one thing that gets me really heated but I really don't like those at Fiji reunions it's a sad thing it's like I've said it I think when I got really heated when we all spoke on Russell muscles Channel a couple of weeks ago and I said I just feel like all the decisions they're making right now is cost related it's not what's in the best interest for the show sometimes it's just about how do we save a little bit more money which is really not good Dolores here gives you a little bit of advice young Jake so listen up she says Jake if you get on you need to get yourself some merchandise before hand so you can start selling it like some of these other players did so you got to make some extra money on the side yeah I need to just like Carson make a survivorjake.com and then have it shut down just like did you know he had it shut down like the first day that it happened he wasn't even able to sell anything I think it's still down at this point do you think do you think it's against the agreements or something maybe like they're not allowed to do anything like that they seem to be a lot more strict in Survivor compared to some other shows out there I think what it was is that he basically just like slapped the logo all right on some and or just said like Survivor 44 and it was like I don't think they're gonna

50:50 Like that he's a he's a he's a what a rocket scientist right yeah you'd imagine he'd be able to put two together it was quite funny to see Carolyn absolutely freak out at the end when she found out that he was like gonna work with NASA you know and she's like what I actually died I didn't I just want to say I just want to say Carolyn needs to what you know what Carolyn needs to do Carolyn needs to open up a reaction Channel like I reckon if she had like a reaction Channel on YouTube she would go viral do you follow her on Tick Tock I do follow her on Tick Tock but I'll be honest like I am like I'm on and off Tech talk very like quick you know I'm on and then I'm off I try not because I'm like I'm afraid I'll get addicted to it like I always hear people just sitting there watching tick tocks all the time but I'll make sure like I'm sure the tick tocks are good so I'll have to watch I'll make sure like her favorite her or something so I could see more of the tick tocks in the future Carolyn's reaction to winning the Sea of money is so sweet she is like freaking out her hands are constantly in her face she thinks she's being pranked and like it's a deep fake on screen and not really see you there it's really good hey with all the AI stuff that are out there right now you know I mean you can never be too careful but I had no doubt that Carolyn had the best shot to

52:10 Win this by the end of the season I do want to talk a little bit about the two challenges I guess you know it's one of those things where I know Jake is not a big fan of the challenge parts of Survivor he fast forward sometimes through some of them he's like call me out here like yeah well listen I don't think it's the Jake I don't think it's a jake issue I think it's a Survivor issue right now because one of the things for me is it seems really repetitive these challenges right Rachel do you think there's something we can do to you know get something new out there were you excited to see some of these challenges towards the end or are you also starting to get a little bit burned out by the repetition off the same things that we're seeing over and over again yeah with the repetition I agree with Christian's comments in the chat here it's like okay final immunity we're seeing some motion again a few episodes ago we saw the underwater breathing challenge one again and there's so many challenges they're happening at the exact same spot that they thought done in previous Seasons so if smart players super fans are studying the show and people are you know 3D printing puzzles why don't you just memorize okay certain challenges always appear in XYZ spot final four might be some function again so maybe I practice a similar kind of game in my backyard similar to

53:30 Knowing when certain twists are happening like oh we think it's going to be an earned the merge with two teams final ten might be two split tribal councils people are going to start preparing and strategize around potentially certain challenges coming up similar to certain advantages or certain twists continuously happening in the new era so I feel like it's not good to have them in the exact same spot every single season because then you have people practicing these things and you could say oh unfair advantage or not I do like some ocean though because it's a more like Fair challenge it's not as athletic anyone could win it like Heidi hasn't won anything and he or she won this final immunity challenge but I feel like having it back to back to back like this if it's getting a little bit old yeah it's clearly again it has to I think it has to do with the budget constraints having things already bought pre-pre the season so they can just go back to these same spots which again if they ever do move away from Fiji if they constantly have those things out there you know a little bit word of advice I'm sure they're Survivor fans that would love to go out there and do some of these challenges so maybe turn it into a bit of a theme park keep some of those challenges up there and people would surely go there and pay to go visit where they've done some of these shows before but you know when it comes to

54:50 A show being appealing I feel like I always compared now to the challenge the challenge has got certain things that they don't do better than Survivor that I would call them out on but the one thing that they do really well is making the dailies interesting every single daily is different they constantly try and innovate there are certain eliminations that are the same they're like Staples but I do think they're creating and innovating a little bit more let's read a few more of the comments here Gabe's saying I want to see some of that Australian Survivor endurance torture devices out there now I know that Rachel Yoon Melissa both watch a little bit of Australian Survivor as well you know I'll go to Euless I'll give you all the tough questions I like putting you on the spot so you know do you feel like Australian Survivor is doing a couple of things they're on the challenges that Survivor you can take note of maybe and sort of try and add to their own show well I feel like in general the challenges on Australian Survivor are a lot I don't want to say deadlier because they're not actually like deadly but some people have gotten some serious injuries on me so yeah they're a lot more injury prone and so I feel like when we have Bruce getting a concussion on like a Survivor us challenge like maybe Americans just aren't built for the Australian type challenges I do I do like some of Survivor Australia's I do think that sometimes having the more physical challenges having the

56:10 More like cool challenges for lack of a better word like I think U.S Survivor could sprinkle those in but like again I feel like a lot of Americans are maybe not going to survive the Australian Survivor challenges if you know we can get concussions on regular challenges do you think that it's maybe got to do that because by the way I saw on Instagram I saw a picture of Colby Donaldson doing a Spartan Race obstacle course race and he's looking in shape right the original challenge Beast I know he didn't do so well the Heroes vs villains but you know some of those old school players they were really good at doing some of that physical stuff I feel like back in the day the challenges was a lot more difficult and was a lot more physical compared to what we're seeing now so I don't know if it's necessarily and I'm like the non-american guy coming up for the Americans here I don't know if the Americans can't do it like I feel like it's just maybe the casting is just a lot different these days Jake yeah I mean I think we get not as many like conventionally yeah when you look at Australian Survivor they like half of the of the of the tribes are like previous Sports athletes that they get to go play this and

57:31 Survivor us they get like everyday normal people going out there so it's more relatable for everybody watching the show because you're like oh I could actually go out there and do this I don't have to be you know a superstar that's actually athletically gifted to go and play the show but I do like to come back to Gabe's original comment I do like this into endurance torture devices at the end because that's just down to who wants it more which I always like to see that towards the end let's see a few more comments here before we start wrapping up Danica is saying why don't they have the endurance challenge that's the final four that's what we're thinking zuderman welcome to the live says I agree Survivor years has gotten extremely lazy yeah it's sad it saddens me to see it to be honest Sarah's saying I told my friend with the 3D printers she should just make Survivor puzzles to sell to people would buy them what do you think of course I wouldn't take any from Russell muscle I'd buy new ones for I was just going to say Russell muscle has some there as well so definitely go check that out what's Russell muscles website do any of you two know the website title plays idleplays.com right that's the one go check it out if you do want to practice like Carson before you go out there and play a season okay so I want to come back to all of you as we start wrapping up here the finale recap review who do you want if you could like

58:51 If you could nominate let's get everybody to nominate one person from this season to represent and come back in an All-Star season and let's not make it Carolyn she's the obvious one she's an automatic she's coming back to play the game again if we had to nominate someone else who do you think stood out who would you like to see for a second chance go out there and play the game again Alyssa we'll stop with you and then go around Rachel and Jake I love you've got all the choices though Alyssa I'm giving you like you know poor Jake at the end he's gonna have like if we pick really good players before him he's not going to have anyone left well I'm gonna pick the player that I think that you might pick and say I would like to see Matthew come back and see wakey when yeah so I want to see what Matthew can do without a bum shoulder and see what happens there yeah I think Matthew was an exciting player and you know he did so much he was good in confessionals beforehand I'm actually surprised they didn't bring Matthew back with Bruce coming back this season I'm surprised they didn't give him a shot as well because I don't know what other theme he's going to sort of fit into in the future but we don't do themes these days so maybe he's okay Rachel who would you like to see come back rage I would say Franny I think it'd be interesting to see her come back

1:00:12 No man's with her as a solo lady going back into the game because I think pre-season we really liked her she showed off a lot of Smart's intelligence and now we see she can do challenges as well so she's the triple threat coming in so I would want to see her play again and you know you won't have that Showman's Target on her back so that would be good to see pre-merch I'd say Claire I think even though she didn't participate in any challenges she can easily fix that for next time preseason I thought she seemed really cool so I would want to see her play again and show what she could do you know if they do see themes again making a pre-merch post merge kind of theme otherwise I don't really see Claire being invited back at the moment I like that I like the specifically you know I'm clear for me I could I could take it or leave it with clear but the reason for me is because I can see why she didn't make it but I do know that she feels gutted and that if she did get another opportunity she would she would do every single challenge like you just know that she probably feels really bad for the fact that she didn't step up to the plate so yeah I can see it there's a there's enough of a Redemption Arc there for her to come back as the person who set out but I feel like Jeff wouldn't want to like

1:01:32 Jeff really has a problem with people who don't do challenges so I don't know what that is about Sandra Cassandra's been there so many times but yeah like I felt like he was really hard on her like early on in the season so I don't know if he would want to see her back Jake coming over to you who would you like to see come back and play again literally both of you stole my first and second fix Matthew was my winner pick coming into this season so I definitely wanted to see him come back man I think I'll go with Kane because we're we've heard a lot in these press interviews about how much we didn't see with Kane they the jury was asked who played the best game and this was before Carson was voted out who played the best game on the jury I think all but one of them said Kane wow and said that he was like had really good relationships and was just really smart he was able to even though he voted for Brandon at the first tribal he was able to salvage that really well and Brandon ended up being considering him one of his closest allies just a lot of praise for him and I thought he was really funny on the season

1:02:53 It just seems like a really cool dude so I mean if we can get him back and see some of this apparent social Mastery that he has I think that would be really fun Okay so we've got Matthew frenny and Kaine I feel so bad because I thought one of you would have picked Carson like I really did like you know and I kind of want to pick Carson because I know he'll be very good if he comes back but I'm not going to make it the obvious one I'm gonna go for Heidi I'd like to see Heidi come back and play again I think that she had like her end of her game she showed how much she wanted to win it you know and by her taking these risks there's a story there as the person who you know did it all and didn't win in the end she went to fire so would she play even more aggressive next time she comes back or would she look for another shield in Danny I feel like she's gonna play a lot more in front because she wouldn't want to leave it until the end where she needs to make all these moves because it didn't work for the first time and I did like Heidi I was a supporter of Heidi this whole season so but yeah there's actually quite a lot of good people like Laura's saying Jamie I enjoyed Jamie as well I did actually enjoy Jamie and I enjoyed Lauren so I could see it so I made it very difficult killed on us all to say one person each I'm sure that if you

1:04:13 Anybody asked us in the beginning who would it have been they wouldn't have thought it would be Heidi Matthew Franny and Kane as the returnees but it shows you how strong of a cast it has been this season overall and yeah Zulu man thank you might you may be the only one that's agreeing with me but I really enjoyed Heidi this season I really enjoyed it I thought she brought a lot and just the passion she had for the show I want to see that again and my rule is I don't normally want to see winners back unless they're back on a winner said war or winners versus runner-ups or something like that because I just want to see them waste it but I can see how in 46 they'll bring someone else but we'll have a full podcast in the off season about casting who we would like to see on the 46 All-Stars season so keep an eye on the channel over the coming weeks we'll bring that out Rachel and Alyssa we do have our draft to do before we finish this live you're welcome to sit in and do it you're welcome to jump off if you want to jump off early what would you guys want to do would you want to jump off would you want to see what the draft what we did this season we can see the draft Yeah I want to see this draft all right let's go for it I'm embarrassed it's bad that's it's you know I tried to forget about it and that's why I almost said well Chris you 'll you'll see but Chris at least had Jam yeah I did but yeah in terms

1:05:33 Of it wasn't enough this is the first time ever that we actually had let me just quickly get the right screen up here I don't normally work on one screen so that's why I'm taking so long okay so you guys can see that right can you see that yes okay cool so we've got coming into the finale we had those based the left in the game so I had yam Kahuna had three players he had his first pick of the Season who was Carson he had Carolyn who was the second pick and Heidi was his last pick so he had three players left in the game Jake was left with his last pick of the Season which was Lauren and I had my first pick of the season and yam and this is the first time ever in all of the seasons that we've covered we've done eight seasons I believe with this draft this is the first time that a first draft pick won the show so it shows you that we normally don't get it right but for some other reason we got it right this time and you weren't even like trying to go for like the big game players you were like oh this guy seems entertaining so I'll pick him I went for the personalities because I wanted to get the points for confessionals and things like that but it yeah ultimately I got some of it right but I didn't realize that Kahuna was just going to kill us at the end game of having so many players left but obviously I'm ultimately we lose Lauren we do lose Carson leading us with three players there Kahuna has got two going into the final and

1:06:53 Then I've got my one player there I'm gonna stop sharing the screen for a second as I read the points here so how it worked this season was that for each player each confessional they got one point this season Team Challenge wins gave them Five Points individual immunity wins gave them eight points making the merch was Five Points successful Advantage plays which we only had two this season was 10 points each finding an advantage was Five Points which we had a big draw on that some of them technically I feel like shouldn't count for finding an advantage because they were given those advantages but we still did put them down as finding an advantage if they had votes against them it was minus 0.5 the runner-up got 25 points and the winner got 50 points we also had bonus points here for the end of the season so 25 points for each one of these categories we had most confessionals which was won by yam for the season with 81 confessionals most individual immunity wins which was a draw between Franny Lauren and Carson which was 25 points each most advantages found which Jake and Kahuna you shared the points there and there was a whole string of players that found the most advantages because they all just found one and then least votes casted against the was Carson by the end of the season with only two votes against them and this was only for players from after the merge most advantages

1:08:13 Played correctly was Josh and Brandon so whoever had them also got some points so coming in at third place overall here for the season was Jake at 322.5 points Jacob top player for the season was Brandon at 93 points and he's been out for ages yeah I mean I just want to like I picked Bruce and starting off I knew this was this was not off to a good start it was just it was just downhill from the very beginning and you had nothing and I had Matthew who was yeah my very first pick and he ah man that gutted me when he when he decided to leave yeah so that was that was tough so I mean Brandon carried the team for you and then like I said Lauren second and then you know Matthew was your third highest that's 64.

1:09:06 Even he was higher than some of the people that made and you had clay as well so it's like yeah it was tough then for second place overall and it wasn't even close for the first time ever we have someone with the winner on this that are not winning the draft and I at the winner with gam yam he had overall the most points of anyone this season which is right at 161.5 points but he basically almost got half my points because I ended up on 341 points in total which means that Kahuna is the new champion and he had 112 points more than me at 454 points he had Carson which was the second highest point getter for the season at 139 Carolyn was third highest in the season with 98.5 and then Heidi sort of got 62. when you look at professionals she really didn't get as many as the others but she did want that immunity towards the end so that is the final point I'll do one more screen share here of what the spreadsheet looks like so everybody can see taught a screen there we go this is the final points here for the season as I said 341 454 and 322 points so

1:10:27 Moving forward into future Seasons I think one of the things we'd love to do and we spoke a little bit about the Survivor Scholars about this coming into us we want to get some YouTubers going against each other as well so we'll have our own draft here as well but you know Rachel and Alyssa you got a little bit of a sneak peek of what the draft would look like if we did do one in the future so you'll be able to strategize I might change a little bit some of the weightings and what we give points for but I'll explain that to you guys before we do it in the future overall yeah well done to Kahuna give him some congratulations Kahuna is here in the live as well we'll have kuna on the weekend to talk about the challenge but Kahuna will get you back on to give your final thoughts on the season when we do our 46 All-Stars draft as well so well done to Kahuna came in from nowhere and just took it away from us here at the end of the season all right Alyssa anything that you wanted to talk about anything you want to bring up we didn't talk about anything you want to promote while you're here that people can follow you on and Rachel will give you the same opportunity you guys can do like a team whoever wants to take it Rachel you want to take it yeah I guess I'm so excited to chat with y'all always so much fun talking Survivor every week that I'm like oh sort of sad now what

1:11:47 Are we gonna do all summer with like the challenge Big Brother starting in August it's gonna be boring June and July over here but yeah you all can find us here on YouTube we are Survivor Scholars and we are going to be talking our own little finale recap tomorrow yeah so make sure to check out the Survivor Scholars for their finale recap as well rifle Alyssa it's been so great having you both on here we'll definitely make sure that this is not the last time we'll get you back in and maybe the draft for 45 might be when we when we do that and Jake any final thoughts from your end here on the season before we sign it off we need wisdom from you yeah if you're going to for words of wisdom from a 20 year old I don't know what you're doing but all you need to say is if you go to play Survivor you need to play full till Boogie or at least you know if you if you go and apply to play Survivor just let Jeff think you're gonna play at full talk Boogie yeah everybody here on the live hey thank you so much this whole season for being here always taking part in the

1:13:07 Conversation you know we love having you here we love hearing all your questions and thoughts we will be back not next week next week I will take an actual week off from doing any kind of Recaps or reviews or lives which is kind of strange because I've been doing this full stop I feel like for almost a year and a half now with there being no break but we will have a week break and then the week following that just keep an eye on the channel we'll put it out when we do our own fantasy drive for the Bible 46 of who we would like to see come back and play in an All-Star season let's hope you know let's make that Trend so we can see 46 is an All-Star season because I think it's time you know I feel like we've gone through enough newbie Seasons now we deserve an All-Star season after all of that but for now we're signing off grab your torches head back to Camp we'll catch you guys next time bye