The Challenge 38: Early Speculation General Thoughts

0:01 Welcome back to the nullified take where we've got the tnt takes for you on the challenge 38 that's right we're back here with chantal and drew also streaming live on reality realness with three s's at some stage drew is also going to do a little bit of a cut down version for those that follow angel cake entertainment channel so you might also see us on his podcast later on in this week but i'm very excited i spoke to both chantel and drew on friday evening about the challenge all-stars three and we said listen we need to get back on here we love talking about the challenge and we love having you guys in the live talking to us about the challenge and there's a lot of news that has dropped for the challenge 38 so this podcast this recap or whatever we're doing here today it's this discussion i guess is going to be about the challenge 38 drew i'm going to come over to you're the man who's done probably the most preparation i would say about the challenge 38 so far how are you feeling i guess out of 10 overall about the challenge 38 are you excited it's coming back how do you feel about the cast the theme and everything obviously we're going to go into more detail but are you positive cautious or negative about what's happening currently on the challenge 38 i'll be honest you threw me for a loop not having that lead up coming in because i was fixing

1:21 Something on my spreadsheet i didn't get my chapstick on yet so i had to get myself ready when you said we're going but i don't know i think this is very intriguing i think the theme is interesting i don't know how well it will play i think it's a natural progression of what was like last season with the friendship card being thrown around like it was just all over the place like it was coupons for arby's kind of thing but i think it could be a lot of fun i'm i think this cast is a mixed bag i think there's some people that i'm excited to see come back and some duos i think are random is all get out but we'll get into all of that chantel do you believe like jelly donuts that the season is going to be a complete mess or how do you feel about the season so far from what you've seen online i feel like i'm maybe more optimistic i'm always coming into these podcasts the most optimistic and then my soul gets crushed as the season goes on and things happen well i'm not i don't know how to feel about it because like i've been you know the last few seasons of the main seas main challenge i've just kind of been like not so sure how i feel about some of the casting staples that are now on the series and so i know that a couple of them aren't going to be returning so i'm like hmm i wonder if that's going to shake things up but then i'm not sure with the people

2:41 That's going to be their partners if they're going to be a great addition but like then they're still going to be part of like a big alliance so i'm going gonna be with you chris surprise i'm gonna be cautiously optimistic that it's gonna be a great season because some of the players that i was expecting to come back aren't coming back and so hopefully that might change up the dynamic that's what i'm hoping for yeah well there's another person here in the live that is very excited about this i believe sam says you know no sam ashley malini mitchell will not be happy to hear this but you've got some crushes coming into this season obviously my biggest crush for the season would be amber coming back so any season that amber is back on our screens i'm going to be very happy about that chateau you kind of alluded to the fact that you know there's some big omissions here potentially in this season that makes you excited obviously we heard the news just before going live on friday that josh was dropped from the season and i'm obviously thinking that's who you're talking about i'm excited about the fact that we don't have to see all three of the big brother players on the same season again outside of like what's your thoughts on josh being dropped and what that will do for the season and also who else do you think is a big omission for this season well so josh being dropped

4:01 Definitely is the most recent one that i was like yes like that's definitely going to change the dynamic and the style of gameplay and like what's going to happen on the season the fights that are gonna happen it's just they might be a little bit different than they have been in the last few seasons so i'm happy about that and i don't know if it's gonna be better or not but it looks as though that nani is gonna have a different partner and a partner who i think that she could actually win with and the last time she was with this partner she was pretty much winning the season so i would love to see a complete like a season where nani actually wins like that would be for me it just would be a kind of full circle for nani i think that she's had ups and downs she had some opportunities to win now she's in a relationship with casey she kind of let casey win the game last season a little bit like yes i know that she wouldn't have beat her in that little competition but you guys are what i'm saying so i like the fact that's gonna be a different dynamic with josh not being her partner anymore and her not being on and him not being on the season the other one not that i love them but emmy and emmanuel are not going to be on the season anymore we i was surprised that she was part of the more recent cast speculations or even made it so far as getting to the airport because we had already heard a long time ago about the fact that she had said the n

5:22 Word when she in her performance on the inspector and it was already a big like hullabaloo so i was surprised she got past casting again and to the airport but they took her and emanuel out i wouldn't have minded to seeing if there's any drama with emmanuel michelle and i believe tory's still on the season is she or she not yes i believe so that could have been an interesting dynamic because i don't know what the status is right now between tory and emmanuel so i wouldn't mind seeing you know if there's anything that kind of came out of that trio and that's about it as off the top of my head as to some dynamics i was expecting to see that won't be happening but hopefully it's for the better drew same question for you obviously i'm assuming you're happy you know you're not too upset about not seeing josh but you know thoughts on josh being dropped thoughts on what this does this season and also just who are you shocked not to see there were rumors that we were going to see west this season in the early days are you surprised that he didn't end up on the show i mean i'll be honest the way casting has screwed with our minds by casting josh over and over and over again i was i was more convincing myself that we hadn't heard his partner yet

6:42 Than thinking he couldn't be on the cast like i just felt like he's always gonna be on the cast he's he was the first one to get his like physical i think and he was the first one to like head out to argentina i felt like he was the first one to be confirmed to be on this season so i was like well it's a foregone conclusion they just haven't said his partner i'm surprised that we haven't heard about his partner and then lo and behold he gets dropped and i do like multiple celebration dances by that but i think what came down to it is who production feels like they need for this season to have more viewers and to have that compel the compelling for the audience to watch every single week because when we think about josh the two people that i think come into my mind when i think of ride or die are casey and nani and i think that's what production was like kind of going towards but i think casey really stood by and was like i really want my brother to be my partner so production wasn't going to push that away from her and then without ct and now we know that there is no wes it's kind of like bananas is the big vet name that is coming back onto the show and he doesn't really have anybody on the season besides nani to be his like ride or die best friend so if it

8:02 Became a push or shove between do we need bananas on the show or josh on the show it's a it's just like a no-brainer that we need we need ct and we can do without josh for at least one season maybe this will be a continuing trend and maybe we get like a few more seasons away from oh josh but yeah i think i think that was their thought process and i do think that it is shocking that wes who seemed to be really trolling everyone including all the t accounts really putting it out there like i could be going off to argentina see in a couple hours i think he said on nani's instagram post and then all of a sudden it came out that he wasn't going and then he put out on his twitter like king troll so it's interesting that didn't happen i think everybody wanted to see what wes and bananas relationship would have been or what their friendship would look like coming on to do a show like this so missed opportunity there but wes is over in all stars and bananas gets to play in challenge 38 and i think this is a big reason why bananas wasn't on all stars i think he was originally supposed to be on all stars and then with this looming 38 c team maybe wasn't picking up the phone for mtv for a while and they were like

9:22 Well you can either play on all stars or you can get probably double the money and play for challenge 38 and he was like i'll go get my plane ticket now make it first class now and i'll go train for 38 and i'll see you there yeah well it is it is the return of the king in a lot of ways i mean the guy has won more challenges than anybody else out there i think it is pretty much between him and ct for greatest of all time different people will say different things depending on who they like more between the two of them but i think that johnny bananas would have looked at this and thought you know what sort of scenario can i step back into the ring and set myself up best to do really well this season coming back because he's got a reputation to uphold not that i mean he had a couple of seasons where things didn't go his way but i really feel like he wouldn't want to waste this time coming out unless he thought he had a legitimate shot and being partnered obviously with nani that's what we're assuming is going to happen this season that they're going to be partnered with their right or die if that is the case and he is connected to her that's going to set him up extremely well because we've seen josh being taken out of this cast but you know i'm optimistic about the season as a whole but where i am pessimistic is about the alliance that is going to run this game because you still have the same people that ran last season they're all still in this game you've got tori you've got devon you've got casey

10:43 You've got fessy you know there's going to be a big contingent of that group i think pairing up together to try and dominate this season to a certain degree but for someone like johnny bananas he doesn't care so much about what we want to see in regards to a shake-up in the power structure he just wants to go back and win money and if i look at him like i mean he chose the perfect season in my opinion to come back and try and win another title so you know we haven't done our pre-season casting yet but i'm sure johnny bananas is going to feature somewhere high for a lot of us when we start looking at this because i feel like he's set up well if he gets to the final he's got a very good shot at winning it i mean the guy is very successful and we don't know what they're going to do in the final just because they're pairs throughout the season i mean the challenge is loose with their themes they could break them up in the final and johnny bananas may not even be anchored by nunny into that final he might run that as an individual chantal what do you think of johnny bananas finally deciding to i guess you know put the boots back on lace him back up and getting himself back into the ring here are you excited about this because i feel like if we didn't have bananas west or ct like we would have from an entertainment value we would have missed something this season yeah no they need to have one of those three on the show or many old school

12:03 Players like if it's not going to have one of those and then some newer school players they have to have you know multiple of them so i agree with you and i didn't really think about it because a lot of people were coming for johnny like oh he's not coming on all-stars because there's not a lot of like rookies or minions that he could have to manipulate but i think that's a really great point that like they're probably like hey which one do you want do you want to do this or do you want to do this and i think that it's a better financial situation deal to go and do however long they go away of two months or whatever so he's going to get that weekly pay he probably gets an appearance fee and then he has a chance to make probably another half a million dollars and he's going to get probably his pick a partner and he has a built-in alliance with that picked partner like i definitely think it's a no-brainer that he's going to choose season 38 where he doesn't actually have to play that hard i think you'd have a much harder chance of winning all-stars just because there's a lot of heavy hitters on there and people wouldn't be afraid of taking a shot at him so i think that he definitely made a financial decision and i'm happy that he's going to be there like if i have to choose between him or josh like i'm choosing johnny bananas to come back on the season i know a lot of people don't particularly like him but i don't know other than ct and wes who could carry the season who could be on this season other than those three

13:23 So i'm happy that he's here because i don't think that it will be an enjoyable season if none of those three people were on the show yeah 100 sam here is asking us to talk about laurel next and obviously laurel is someone as well who have not been on this show for a while now and is seen as one of the greatest female competitors that we've ever seen on the show drew i'm going to come over to you first here what do you think of laurel stepping back into the game right now where does she sit within this house does she have connections and does her status as a legitimate veteran of this game does that help her here in the early days as she comes in and also her partner i guess coming into this game do you know much about laurel's partner if they are going to be and because i don't even know if it's confirmed yet they're definitely going to be partnered up or not but i'm assuming that is what's going to happen yeah so laurel is coming back after the last time we saw her which was the challenge 34 war of the worlds 2 and she was definitely in the side of the house that was against cara so she was with the johnny banana she was with the jordan she was with the nani the leroys and even josh i mean i'm sure she would like to have seen josh on this show because they were best friends they helped throw wes into the elimination

14:43 Against bear and get him out so i think laurel is coming in a good position once she is a vet two she has those bonds the last time she played like i mentioned was with bananas and nani and we were talking about nani kind of being the nucleus of this whole this whole cast so she has connections with pretty much every single player in this game if it's not a rookie team that we know of and laurel is also a huge physical threat i mean her reputation precedes her she has a resume i mean if we wanted to see a brawler of an elimination it would be laurel versus casey now somebody can take out casey and it's not going to be this easy type of situation where she's going to go up against teresa and casey's just younger faster and stronger than theresa now we have laurel who i feel could outmuscle casey any day of the week so her partner is jack maddox that is confirmed in my opinion they he was on the x on the beach peak of love which was like a spin-off of x on the beach they were trying to make it like snowy instead of on a beach theme and laurel was more of a cameo on that show to freak out nicole z she never really stayed in the chalet but jack did jack has been

16:04 Working out putting in the work and they seem to have kicked off and had a great friendship and now they're bringing that friendship into the game i don't know what jack can do because again x on the beach isn't that competitive or that like physical of a show but what i've seen on you know what i've seen on his instagram is quite impressive he is definitely putting the work in the gym and with a with a partner like laurel you never count them out in my opinion like you can never count them out i mean she had cara maria in 21 she got to second place she had kenny and fresh me too they got second place i mean you give her a season and most likely laurel is going to go far into that season no matter who her partner is yeah chantelle i know you're a big fan of laurels as well we had i believe amber in the chat here asking if laurel's ever been on a season that kara maria has not been on and how will that affect laurel being on this season i think there was one season with kara maria i can't remember like i always say between fresh meats too yes because she got she got eliminated early but wasn't there one season where kara maria was an alternate and she came in late for an injured person and laurel was on that season from the start i feel like there was one but i could be the season where she got with jordan and ct ish probably but yeah like

17:24 Their storylines have been intertwined quite a lot throughout the show's history i think that for me personally i'm not an og fan necessarily i'm kind of a little bit over the whole beef between them like i'm okay to see laurel personally come in the season without her and have a different storyline develop around laurel so i'm not too upset about the fact that's not the case here but chandel what do you think of laurel coming back are you excited about this is this up there for you with the bananas actually hilarious though that you don't care for like the storyline of laurel and carl maria but like it's kara maria that's the problem with the storyline it's always about like karma i disagree with you on that one by the way i feel like laurel was a bully to kara maria for most of their time remember me and you've got very different views on that but i just i'm over the storyline between the two of them yeah i mean i don't care about the storyline for sure but yeah i definitely you know i think that laurel at one point she did was kind of a friend to carmaria and they did kind of fix the relationship and fix things but they just did end up working out in the end i am happy to see laurel i want to see that old school energy that's why i like all-stars i keep on saying it over and over again i want people that have been on the show from a long time back and so if there are she's not going to be on all stars

18:44 Yes i'm happy to see her on the main season because i think some of the new school players need to be around some of these old school players just to like get that energy get that vibe maybe it's gonna you know revitalize the season and make it into what we i used to love about it beforehand so i'm happy to see her come back i'm happy to see her without karma maria i'm happy to see her have a new friendship that we're going to see develop on this on this on 38 and so yeah like i you're not a biggest fan of her but i'm happy to see her back and i'd rather see her back more than a lot of people that get the phone call i do i do resp i just want to make sure you understand this i do respect laurel i just think between the two of them i've always had cairo's back more than laurels but it doesn't mean that you don't need to be if you're one person you completely write the other one off i'm excited to still see her come back and to see specifically because in the era that laurel was on the show she was physically probably the most dominant but a lot of the females in the game now are bigger athletes so i want to actually see how she does against some of the newer school competitors that are on the show can she stack up we saw her go out against ninja in that elimination that she lost though yeah but it's still like you know she tried to create a hole where there wasn't a whole it's pretty straightforward you know

20:04 On that specific elimination and again like i said i want to see is that a fluke can she come back and she redeem herself i think that she's going to come back hungry to redeem herself in any case because of that it's not going to come back to be terrible that's for sure so she definitely has a big ego and she does like to like when she lost that one she was really i think it was flicky talking about seeing her face when she was taunting ninja and like you know going taunting ninja and then being dq'd is pretty bad and so i don't think that she would come back to want to look bad again so i'm expecting her to get make it to the final i definitely yeah oh what no the comment she wasn't on gauntlet yeah but yeah i remember there being some early stages of that anyways we don't want to make this whole podcast another debate about laurel and that i'm excited to see laurel's notebook come back that's what i'm very excited to see she's going to make lists she's checking it twice she's going to move up her own power rankings in the game and i'm ready for it i want to talk about someone i'm actually really excited to see come back here drew and i know you're going to be excited to see this man come back holly's not coming back

21:25 No but i mean this is paulie's ride or die but paulie's not on the season it's going to be turbo making another appearance here on the challenge i mean there was a lot of speculation i think after he got removed that season that he wanted to assault jordan and the security couldn't hold them back and they're like no listen we can't control the situation we're gonna have to remove him from the game and people thought he was banned drew after that and that he would never be back on the show are you surprised that he has come back here this season and how do you feel about seeing the return of one of the most dominant rookies we ever saw on the show in my opinion because it was no fluke and it wasn't an easy final that he won in war of the worlds one when he participated in that season yeah i'm excited i'm excited to see turbo back i think i'm more shocked that he's not paired up with nani and that he's paired up with somebody completely different than who i thought he was gonna be paired up with because nani and him throughout their both seasons that they played together just seemed like they were super connected then somebody told me that they both stopped following each other on instagram so maybe they aren't as ride or die as they are nowadays but i'm so happy to see turbo back he was dominant he's physical he was good at puzzles i'm ready to see him i'm the only thing that

22:45 Worries me about turbo is his partner and if they can work together to get farther into the game because as we know from years of watching paired seasons it all comes down to who you're part partnered up with and how you work with each other because so many times people have said that i didn't win this season or go far this season because of my partner and his partner is going to be his girlfriend tamara and when you look her up so many people are saying that she cheated on her boyfriend to get on the show and to be with turbo which is very spicy also we heard if anybody has heard they had to go into a second quarantine because of positive covet tests and it's alleged that she had a phony vaccination card that she brought in and so that's all i've heard that could be alleged but that's what i've heard from her about her but that's all i know about her and i think she's some type of model or something like that so i mean she's gorgeous but can she keep up with the pace of the game and be a very strong partner for turbo i think turbo could is the best of two people he could be a two people by himself but it all comes down

24:05 To your partner and we saw like in eliminations like devon and bear versus leroy and shailene you can be strong on your own but then you have to have that other person like helping you dragging that slay with sandbags all the way back to their side and vice versa so we'll see but i have all the faith in the world that turbo can get all the way to the end and win again if need be i'm leaving the important question here for you chantal will anybody copy his walk this season probably no actually nobody will nobody will at all i'm actually i'm pretty excited to see turbo i think i like that somebody that is going to become a competitive competitor that's like not necessarily with the alliance like yes he'll get some intel from nani i'm assuming i don't know with if they're friends again or not friends or what but like he does have that connection with people that he's played before and so i'm happy to see what he's gonna do again the first his first season he kind of lucked out a little bit in the fact that he was able to just be physically dominant and get through the season and so i want to see if he has a little bit of strategy in him i want to see how well he works with his partner i want to see if his partner's really good i know you're saying that he's the strength of two men or two people for sure but i want to see if he could too and again

25:25 We didn't get the chance to see that his second season because he was taken off because he was being a little bit verbally aggressive so i want to see if he can make it to round two i don't really see anybody on this cast being able to take him out in an elimination and so but i wonder if people are going to try so yeah he might have that intimidation he might have that intimidation factor about him like a ct has but the only thing here is i'm excited to actually see turbo in an elimination because in those seasons that he played he never actually went into an elimination but we always saw him be very verbal from the sidelines giving you know advice i tried this strategy or no that strategy doesn't work he should be doing this and i think that with turbo what a lot of people forget survivor in 2k is a completely different show compared to survivor in the us or any of the english versions it's all based on your physical ability to win challenges so it's probably a lot closer to the challenge than what we will even appreciate as survivor fans in the us but i think the key thing here is he won two survivor seasons he was on his way to win a third one when he got injured so it's the only reason apparently he was dominating that season as well he came from that straight into the challenge he won his first season and then again he was his own worst enemy and got eliminated in the fifth reality show that he played in so i mean yes he doesn't have

26:45 Five titles or four titles you know but he clearly has the credentials to be able to win a lot of these shows so i do think that he could do well mentally though i hope he's coming and prepared and now that he's spend more time with people that i won't mention here because i know she's telling drew are not big fans of them but he spent a lot of time in the us right and visiting people so hopefully he's gotten used to the culture a little bit more because when he first came onto the show it was only his second season i think that he really what jordan did to him in that season he took it like very personal because of the cultural differences that you have between himself and also the us more western culture and how we you know joke around i think he took it like a life or death you're threatening me type of thing and i hope that he's more prepared and he's mentally stronger than what he was that season because if anybody copies his walk and he goes off we'll see him get kicked off again you know and i don't want to see that personally myself so i'm very excited to see turbo here back on this next season as well i think it's going to be very exciting i do want to talk about the two survivor players as well that are coming back this season obviously a big survivor fan myself i'm assuming they're going to be partners chantal would you agree that most likely we'll see jay and michelle as rydal dies there's been rumors in the past

28:05 That jay and michelle have actually dated or that they had something going on outside as well so they might be a little bit more than your normal ride or die and it looks like i'm giving you some tea that you weren't aware of but yeah apparently there was some stuff going on behind the scenes but when i needed more details so this was this was prior this was prior to her and wendell so just to give you a timeline this was way back well i guess the only people that i've heard is maybe she was with dean for a little bit so maybe like that could have happened and i didn't know about it but i would think that i would have heard about it i've always wanted to see them on the same season just because i do feel like the survivor players just need a few more people on at the same time so that they can maybe do something to shake the game up so that's why i kind of wish that they weren't together as partners because then they can kind of spread out their numbers a little bit but i am definitely happy that they're gonna be at least working together both being on the season because i do like them both i was worried that jay wouldn't come back on the season because few years ago he said the n-word in a song recounting a song so worried that he wasn't going to come back but if he is coming back i'm happy to see him come back i like the fight in him i like that he enjoys playing the game i like that he has a lightness to his gameplay he's still strategic he still tries hard he's still

29:25 Good at certain things so i think that they could be a really good duo depending on how they kind of integrate with the other alliances and people on the season but i'm happy to see her and if they have dated i need to know this t i hope they talk about it yeah well they're very good friends still they're still very good friends they're on good terms so clearly whatever i don't know if it was officially dating or they were just kicking it but there was something there that you know happened apparently i also see here in the chat that natalie is saying that jay is dating annalise that's news to me i did not know that whatsoever but drew going over to you what do you think of you know both michelle and jay i guess coming back this season and also them being able to pair up here in the season do you like this pair of i guess michelle and jay coming into the season i like to see michelle and jay back on to the challenge as i want to see more survivor players make it onto the show i though think that they are going to be on the wrong side of the numbers as per usual one they're survivor players two they're paired up together and when we take a look at who jay is connected with i mean if it's not jay and michelle i feel like it would be jay and annelise because annelise and him have been training together for a long time

30:46 Now i if you go to their instagrams they've been rock climbing together doing the spartan races together like they've been spending a ton of time with each other however there's another person on here that is 100 with annelise who could not be paired up with anybody else on this cast so for me it's gonna definitely be jay and michelle partnered up together and when you take a look at who jay has been hanging out with he's been hanging out with nelson but when i look at nelson and who he could be connected to it doesn't look that good i mean he's connected to fessy but we've seen fessy turn on his friends with a drop of a hat if it means it could get him farther into the game so i don't think they're going to be as well connected especially michelle being the only other rookie from last season going to be on this show so i worry for them i think that they can be a very strong team i think they'll be strong strategically and in missions or challenges i'm sorry the last season still is in my brain calling them missions ugh but i worry for them i worry for them size-wise i worry for them numbers-wise and i hope that they can make it far but when we take a look at who's in the numbers and who's at the core and that's non-in bananas probably bananas isn't a huge fan of jay he's not a huge fan of nelson since nelson and bananas have been kind of like bashing

32:06 Heads for the last like however long that they've been on the shows together so i think that they're gonna have a uphill battle but there's no doubt in my mind that they could win eliminations against certain teams on this cast and that they could they could be a dark horse and they could be able to jump to that next level and make it hopefully halfway to deeper into the game yeah i'm gonna put it out there if jay makes a final i think he surprises us like i really think that he has got the endurance he's a good runner i'll never forget that specific mini final that they had in the season that he was with theresa and they kind of won that by the running section and doing the puzzles and i think that michelle is going to be great at puzzles so she does balance him out somewhat as well so they could be a very powerful deal but like you said at the end of the day it starts with good social connections playing a social game before you even get to the position where you can run a final and will they get there i'm a little bit down on that sadly as a survivor fan i want to see survivor play players do well i'm really happy michelle comes back like i mean who would forget her famous quote where she said i've got two of these for you and she just pulled them up you know like i think michelle will add a certain level of spice to the confessionals i think she will become a staple of the show if she continues to come back and

33:27 Both of them are probably in the in the midst of building a little bit i guess their own presence within the challenge and getting people to want to shout for them because they're familiar to them and they've come back season after season and they're going to be the anti-big brother faction in this season so i think we're going to want to shout for them regardless just because they're not a part of that call i do want to talk about someone that i was surprised to see this season come in and we don't have to spend too much time on this but i say to myself this person in my opinion i'm not overly excited i know some of the females who watch the show would be very excited that he's back just because of the muscles and the great chiseled six-pack and everything but i feel like he's had two seasons and it hasn't really paid off all that much for him and that's gonna be mum what do you guys think about naam coming back here this season i think he already got cut didn't he get drunk did he just dropped again somebody even mentioned in the chat i thought i heard that his partner something happened to his partner and then he got cut okay well you always know the secret so i didn't think we were gonna get into that but apparently he was going to be partnered up with emmy who has done a ton of reality shows like a ton dating back to when she was 19 years old and i think she's 22 23 now and she's just been constantly doing

34:47 Reality shows in germany and in other countries like secret story in spain the spain's big brother esque type of show on that show they said a lot of people who had watched that show said that emmy came in like a firecracker for the first week then found out that the game wasn't going to go her way she had really no shot of winning because nobody liked her and she was ready to quit before she was evicted fifth out of the house and so coming into this season i was worried because one i don't think they actually met each other before so they were just partnered up because they have like the same like management group that represents them and their country as well and so a lot of people are like i'm hoping that she'll actually like step it up and not try to quit and it sounds like she quit so i think the game started they went into quarantine they came out i think the they did like a mission and she was just like i'm not i'm not into this and so she pulled out and because they sent all the alternates home and really it wouldn't make a whole lot of sense they decided to just send him home so bad luck nom is not meant for the challenge it seems well i don't think she really has had bad luck and i think you'd have to maybe take it as a

36:07 Maybe this isn't the path for you because you know he's just had a lot of things that have been out of his control fully to be taking him out of the game firstly to injury next sleep with kovid and now with a partner that you know allows him to be dequeued so it's really unfortunate because i do want to see his chiseled body guys don't worry in the chat we can still talk about nom how cute he is and how we'd love to see him have a little showmance with somebody other than lolo jones but it's not going to happen and at this point i don't know if i need to see him try to get on the next season so this might be our farewell to nam but he's very you know what this would have been this would have been the season for nam to participate in because there was four people there were four people from germany on this cast so you know he would have actually had some kind of fellow countrymen and woman out there so i feel like there was ever a season for him to do okay being the veteran and i put that in equitations because he's not much of a veteran you know i've got no problems with numbers just planned personality we've got enough bland personalities for me at the moment on the show i don't need another one to be added i'm going to talk about probably the blandest of bland personalities next but this person is a reigning champion we've got casey coming back this season as well what

37:27 Do you guys think about casey and her chances to go back to back and do you like the fact that she's going to be playing with her brother sometimes when you've got family out there doing a show like for instance the amazing race is notorious for it you go with family members you fight with them there's sibling rivalries you know battle of the bloodlines was a great season i thought i enjoyed seeing family members on the challenge as well and that brings a little bit of extra spice out of people when your blood is out there playing this game as well do you think that this will bring a little bit more entertainment out of casey and we will get a different side to her and also now that she's finally won a season does this allow for her to play a little bit more loose because she's got one in the back chateau what do you think about casey here i mean i'm not the biggest fan of casey just because i find her to be boring but i am wondering with having her brother with her if we're going to see more personality we're going to see more of who she's comfortable with and what she's like when she's comfortable she's going to want to protect her brother i don't know if he's older or younger but regardless she's going to want to make sure that he does okay make sure that people are treating him well make sure that he has a good experience on the show and so hopefully with having someone there that is unfamiliar with that type of world i think it

38:47 Will bring something out in her that would at least be entertaining at least she will be doing something a little bit actively and you know if that means that she's going to end up getting to the end i don't think she's going to get to the end and win again but i'm gonna enjoy her journey a little bit more with her brother being there that it just being fessy and josh and nani just running the show i think i'm more interested in seeing her and her dynamic with her brother so i'm okay with this true you want to see how she does in the house when she's comfortable you don't get as comfortable as last season when she did absolutely nothing she didn't have to worry about going to a single elimination and she made it all the way to the end so yeah she's gonna be real comfortable kicking her feet up and not doing anything i mean i don't i'm not i'm not excited i don't think she's gonna play loose i don't think she knows how to play loose i think the most we're gonna see of her is talking to her brother but that's it like we got the whole thing of her and nani's relationship blossoming last season we're probably not gonna get that this season and we're gonna get this family dynamic but who knows how much we're gonna see of that because if the apple falls close to the tree with casey they're gonna be two of the same people and kind of just chilling out

40:08 Not doing anything we're not going to see them until we have to hear somebody narrate what's happening when we come back from a commercial break so in this challenge we had to get a ball from this single to this side who's going to make it out first okay but what if what if some jealousy stirs up with nani being paired up with bananas because you if you remember what one season when she was kind of flirting with i think it was chase from the bachelor bachelorette and he was like and she was like sitting on bananas lap and he was like already treating her like he's she's his girlfriend and he didn't really like seeing him her flirting with bananas and she's like he's my best friend i love him but they have dated they have slept together and i believe that casey is not his first female like lesbian relationship so i'm wondering if maybe that will come into play maybe having some jealousy or some friction with nani spending a lot of time with bananas so that could be interesting embryo asks is she close to anneliese or tommy that dynamic will be interesting to see too they played in different seasons of big brother and annalise and tommy from a very problematic season actually i was quite

41:28 Surprised to see two of them on the show i quite enjoyed tommy at times he was entertaining to watch i think he'll bring a little bit of excitement and entertaining to the tv show and at least to me was just the pretty girl that was with i think the guy's name was jack that whole season and she was kind of like his ride or die but somehow annalise and tommy ended up on the season as rydal dies but i don't think that annelise and tommy like i mean they're a question mark for me because it's kind of like big brother strong do they automatically just pull them in and then just use them as rookies as bait to do whatever they want for the season it's two extra numbers who they won't care about in the long term but i don't think annalise and tommy will be in the inner layer or the inner ring of that alliance that is now not just the big brother alliance anymore it is a more of a vet alliance because you've got other people like tori and devon and that who are also closer to that alliance the real question mark for me really i'm not so interested in tommy and elise but we can definitely go back and talk about them and i'll give you guys both an opportunity to talk about both of them but the real question mark for me is where's amber sitting coming into this season has she mend bridges with the likes of casey there was real bitterness and rivalry between her and casey even in the after show that season

42:49 And where do they currently sit and does amber like will she just do what she can for that safety she'll run to that alliance and stick with them or will she just be enemy number one because i feel like she does not fully fit in to the big brother vet alliance and there are a lot of people who really don't care for amber on big brother there was a lot of calling her fake last season chantal what do you think you know that dynamic will look like coming into the season i know you're kind of 50 on amber i feel like you kind of lean towards not liking her so much last season when myself and drew obviously you know you balance us out because we were both pro and but you know when do you think she sits coming into this and are you excited to at least to have one person in there that could potentially be against the likes of casey and the rest of those people in the house so yes i agree with both with you that i'm more on the not a big fan of amber but i have to say that i'm excited to see what the dynamics will bring with her being there with her current boyfriend i like the fact that she's gonna have someone that she trusts completely that looks like he's going to be super fit that he might be able they might be a dynamic duo that can gain some power i think that if they have some power she might be able to figure out how she can go up against the cases of it all i do not think that

44:09 She's gonna work with the big brother people that have burned her in the past i think she's learned her lesson and if amber decides to pull in you know the michelle and jay and pull in maybe the other big part the people that are maybe not on the outside or like they're new to the game and be like no we have to go against these people blah like if she builds the opposite faction i would be at an amber stan but if she goes in and plays that same card again like you i trusted you and you stabbed me in the back i just i just can't handle that narrative anymore but i'm willing to if she does make a big move and decides to go against that big group and decides to do something strategic and go against them and like make a mark like i can definitely get on board with amber but i'm just not a fan of that same that same storyline where she's just upset that she's been burned by casey and fessy and josh like let's see i think it was fair i agree with you it was fair for me i could tolerate it last season because it was so fresh it was literally the season before so she had legitimate reasons to be pissed off even though i think people just like you were over it a lot of people in the house were over her running around playing a victim in that situation but i could understand and i think both myself and jordan i want to speak too much for him we could understand where she was coming from but drew if she had to come in another season

45:29 With that same attitude and she doesn't really give us much in regards to trying to work on strategy or you know standing up against the power within the house are you in agreement with both myself and chantel that would become old very quickly if we see just the same old amber that we saw like you want to see evolution and the players that go out there right yeah of course i mean that's what makes the game fun and why we love to see players come back over and over and over again to see the arch that they could have on their own story if you have a challenger that continually does the same thing over and over again and keeps on missing the mark i mean what fun is that realistically i really hope what chantelle says happens with her like trying to gather up the rookie numbers maybe pulling a wes i mean she is bringing in a rookie teammate in her boyfriend chauncey and they look to be a super strong pair like if we're talking power couple this is physically a power couple coming into the game so i'm hoping that she comes in wanting to play her own game and focuses on that my worry is that we've seen her twice and it's like same song old dance type of thing i don't know how this the thing goes i'm making it my own because

46:49 Because she had a alliance she had a rookie alliance on season 36 and then they quickly did not like her and wanted to get away from her and then come into season 37 where it was a ton of rookies and she didn't get along with much of anybody on that season so it's going to be interesting to see if her social game can go further and maybe she worked on that maybe she wants to align with other people i have a i have a sad feeling inside me that it could just be just repeating wash rinse repeat and she comes into the game she's like it's us against the world and she has that mentality everybody can feel that mentality on her and could be looked at and wanted to be taken out again i just want to see more strategy from her and i think it would be it would do her a huge a huge advantage to gather up the rookie numbers i just don't know if she'll have that social game or if casey's just gonna sink her teeth into all the social ties because everybody just loves casey because she's just like yeah cool she doesn't do anything so why not just chill out with her kind of thing but what do you do though it's just before was just going to say i was just going to say to chris i'm not suggesting jack yeah so

48:09 Chris in the chat in the live stream here i'm not suggesting jack should be back on our screen i apologize that i even mentioned jack's name on this podcast that's not what i try to say with my comment here what i was gonna say though is one thing i'm hoping though so we didn't see like amber have somebody that she could vent to that didn't find her already frustrating you know every time person she was talking to about like what was going on and how she was feeling they didn't want to hear it so it will be nice that she has somebody that she can turn to if some things like that come up that would be her boyfriend who hopefully would be able to allow her to speak her piece and maybe be a voice of reason maybe he will be the person that's going to be able to mend her relationships with some of these people maybe he's going to be the bridge to these rookies and so i'm hoping that her boyfriend is going to be the social help that amber needs in her game and also the outlet that she'll have in or if she has any of the frictions coming in with her previous relationship so i'm putting a lot of weight on her boyfriend i mean like can you can you make this girl have a good game but if he if he can i can get on the amber trade so and yeah wait by the way he can carry any weight because he can carry my weight because he's very good yeah he's big he's big

49:29 Patricia agrees if you should tell if that would happen and amber were to go against casey fessy and that big brother alliance she'd be a fan too and i think that you know if amber did any research and i don't think a lot of these players actually take note of fan perception as much as they probably should or maybe they shouldn't i don't know it might influence the way that they play the game but in amber's case you know it would be good for her to go even if she was out third this season but she made a massive run at this big brother alliance i think her popularity would skyrocket so much that she would become a player that the fans would get behind and they would like riot say we want amber on every single season she's got a backbone she's willing to fight against the power structure people will get behind her even if she goes early but i feel like these days a lot of these new school players are so scared and they play for placement because if they're there a week or two longer i think i've heard rumors they get paid the longer they're on the show so they just want to get deep to get a paycheck they don't really care about making a good tv show they don't care about becoming a new legend of the show and i'm saying this is someone who's probably the biggest new school fan out of the three of us because it still frustrates me you want to you want to have people on there that play to win the game so i'm really fearful that won't happen i also wanted to have a quick look here at sandy's comment saying i still cannot believe the production is casting big brother rookies for

50:49 The mtv show when the cbs challenge exists and i think that in my opinion it's probably a clear sign that they looked at the challenge cbs and they thought this may not be a thing next year or the year after like we're going to continue to actually add people into the show and to the main show that we want to keep going or it's them just covering all of their basis with having these players come in one of the ones that was very interesting for me before we got in even on to the podcast is that devon was rumored to also be in the running for this season she was going to be paired up with derrick f from the last big brother season and she pulled out which meant that he got pulled out and we've been hearing for the longest time that production wants him on the show mind blown and i can completely understand why devon didn't want to be on the show because she would have been a sitting duck being you know paid with that anchor in the game yeah i'm surprised that they would put those two together and i heard a lot of rumors that people were getting asked who like that like they could call people to be like hey do you want to be my partner on the season and they could recommend people for this ride or diet season so i would assume that they would have called davon and devon would be able to maybe choose a person that she'd want to work with so do you think that like you're saying that she wouldn't

52:09 Have chosen josh so would you say that josh got the phone call first and he was like i want my partner to be davon like how did that go down i feel like both of them could pick other people that would have been better ride or dies for her or people that they would want as well derek you said josh but you me you mean derrick i don't know who is derek fraser that she's rumored to be paid with and she was like i'm out i'm not doing this gosh maybe i'm making that up just you're right derek raiser 100 but i don't think i would want to be derek fraser's partner so why did derek fraser get the option to pick devon well he's been rumored i think for a while now to be on the show so it sounds like production wants him on the show i don't know why i've got no understanding as to why that one them on the show like chris here says that they did a public service for all of us not coming onto the season and i agree with that i mean it's sad not to like i know that you that have watched her recent show haven't been too big of a fan of day but in the challenge realm i've really enjoyed day and i feel like she brings a lot of entertainment to the show so i was interested in seeing her come back and i'm happy that at least she was entertaining it because that means that in the future it may still happen you know like we can always hope that next season or the season after that day is someone that gets asked again i don't know if there's much more we wanted

53:29 To talk about drew if you had any thoughts on the whole day thing i mean obviously she didn't actually end up being on the show but also just big brother players in general still being selected i guess for the main show so i heard from gamervev's tweets that she pulled out for a different reason not necessarily that it was because she was gonna be paired up with derrick f i know that once day kind of said i'm not gonna do the season everybody was like rushing out to like attack derek f online because they all wanted to see davon back on the challenge and he even put out a tweet saying like stop with the death threats i wanted to be on the show it didn't happen and so everybody was going out there going like they had her reasons her own personal reasons it wasn't because she was gonna be partnering up with derek f now this is another basis of why they i feel like mtv really needs to like go through these themes and really lock in some tight pairings because this was a pairing i heard that she was over at derrick f's house for like a wrap party or a cbs party or something and it happened one time and then i guess that's enough to be considered ride or die so i was gonna be very excited to see dave on the show i just don't think that they were necessarily ride or die as some of these other pairings but we've seen this in

54:49 Rivals where it's like you have ct and west ct and adam king paired up together and they have legit beef and then you have bananas and frank who were never on a season together they just had some spouts on twitter so we're going to get those types of pairings yeah and not much more to add from my in there let's talk about someone that personally i'm kind of not that excited to see them on the show anymore but i feel like you guys might be still excited to see her on the show and it's anissa coming back here for another season no just kidding like chantal anissa what does she still have left to give at this point well i don't know if she has anything super excited for you chris but i think that anissa does know some of the same things that west knows and bananas knows and even to a certain extent nani knows about the fact that they're on a tv show and i think that she might do that instead and be like oh wait let me make good tv so that they want to bring me back because i'm not necessarily going to be the person that's going to get to the end of the end win so i'm putting it out there that anisa might be

56:10 The gatherer of the rookies and create a big opposition or something to do something a little bit different because she's not going to have physicality on her side so she's going to have to get numbers on her side and i don't know if she'll be always expendable to the alliance that's probably going to be the big brother and bananas like alliance so hopefully she'll see that know that and be like you know what i'm going to do something completely different than i usually do let me go against these power this power group build my own other group maybe that would be pulling in amber be like oh look at you're on the outside but she'd be super strong maybe should have some power and maybe she's going to make a name for herself and being like the strategic opposition and maybe just do something different because she knows the game she knows how to make good tv she's been on the show for 20 years like i think she might i'm hoping sorry she might come with a new attitude and a new strategic direction so that's my thoughts about anissa but she goes if she does the same thing like nobody thinks i can do well and nobody gives me a chance like exactly you can't have that at all so it's kind of like amber this is an audition for you this is not like you're working it's not like you've been working for a corporate job in the 80s for 30 years

57:30 And you get the golden rolex at the end to say hey slap on the back well done you've been with us for that long you need to earn that win if you're out there and that's what i'm fearful of i'm fearful of that poor me attitude oh you know these they just don't give me the opportunity to get in the final or you know to win this thing you know i just want to win one of these things i'm owed a win by now i don't want that i do agree she's entertaining to watch but i feel personally like anissa for me now she's so out of her depth when it comes to the level of competition she is going up against that i would much rather see her in a legitimate og season or see her transition to all-stars permanently even though all-stars have become something different recently where there's a lot of younger competitors that are participating in it as well drew thoughts on anissa it looked like you were kind of in agreement with me you're kind of a bit over it at this stage i to me if i don't think we're going to see much different than what we've seen the past few seasons she might make it far because of her social ties but when push comes to shove and people are going into elimination she's going to be the one being called out especially if she has a partner who is a rookie and she's going to be called out for the elimination because people are scared to go up against some of the heavier hitters that are left in this game or some of the more physically a depth

58:50 Players that are still in this game so i think that if she gets far she gets far on our social ties her cues from tory but when push comes to shove and the game is needing to where you have to call out a friend or an acquaintance or somebody that you even like you're going to do it to make it farther than them and that's how i see anissa going either she's going to get she at this point it's either you're going to get hurt during a challenge or you're going to get called out fifth fourth in line heading to a final and then you're gonna get called out and lose so that's how i see it going yeah well let's talk about anissa's friend let's talk about her friend tori there's a few people here saying that she's on the show to help tori out a little bit here i don't think tory i think tori is in a position now with devon i'm assuming her and devin are going to be right or dice this season but i do feel like that chantelle do you disagree no i was just i was just i thought you're going to pull up who anise's partner was but i was just trying to think of him sorry yeah we can we can go back we could go back straight after this to a niece's partner apologies for skipping over it tori is someone that you know did really well last season i was very critical of tory throughout the season saying ah she's over it she was at a peak when she was training with jordan but she impressed me last season she made it to a final in my opinion she

1:00:10 Ran that final better than casey and probably deserved the win over casey so i felt like she was robbed because of the whack twist at the end where the slowest performers could choose who they wanted to have as a partner in the finale and casey chose an automatic winning ticket by choosing ct at the end that could have been tory if it was based on performance i really hated that format i'm still i'm not even the biggest tory fan but i am pissed off for tori that finale went that way how do you guys feel about tory coming into the season are you excited about it do you think tory can make another final i feel like she's probably set up pretty well to do so because she's got a built-in alliance and she's probably part of that power structure that could make the game boring for us but why would she change it up at this stage i mean okay she's on the season i agree with you that i do feel that she was robbed last season in the final but i don't necessarily care for what she's going to bring to the table i haven't really enjoyed her story lines i didn't really like when you know she switched to the other the other team last season and then her fights that she was having with devin when she was playing for her own team i didn't really care for that dynamic at all so i just i should bring something different it's another person

1:01:30 She brings something different i will be i'll be interested if her and anissa decide like hey let's do something different let's bring devin and let's do something and go against these people that always go to the end and win together like maybe that could be something interesting so i'm hoping right now that all the people that i'm indifferent towards work together and go against the people that are called back time and time again and they're winning all the time so that's what i'm hoping for tori she needs to shake it up and do something different because what she's been bringing so far i don't care for it's boring but i will give her a second chance if she decides to do something different and goes against the major alliances so true i actually think that tori and devin could be in trouble this season i think that they could be more so on the outs than what we saw last season when we saw devin he was good making good into the big brother alliance but we saw him getting really cuddly with josh and i think josh was the glue that helped devon stick to the big brother alliance with fessy and casey josh is not there that buffer is out and also who almost won last season but didn't and that is tori casey is gonna have that clocked on her mind and

1:02:50 Also if devin doesn't come in with a good standings with bananas then it's gonna spell bad news for both of them so i could see them actually being on the outs this season comparative what was going on last season where it was everybody band together ct is here to tell everybody to just be friends all the vets be friends well guess what bonanza is gonna say let's all be friends he's gonna say let's all be friends until i stab you in the back and put a whole big target on your back and then you get out of my way as i make it to the finals type of thing so my actual thing is that i think tory and devin are gonna be in trouble this season and i could see them being on the outside alliance and not being able to do much past that i think they have experience on their side especially being in the finals last season getting third and then getting second but i do think that's going to play a big factor in nani's mind casey's mind tori was really strong devin got third place devin is always gonna stir the pot when bananas is there and i think they're gonna have to fight for their right to stay in the stay in the house if the major alliance is going to be going after them which i would be personally excited to see them having to go in over and over and over again and rely on each other to stay in the game well i

1:04:10 Think it might be a blessing in disguise that they won't be really like easily immersed into the major alliance of the season we know that devon is also strategic so if he's going to be going against bananas most likely like then maybe i'm hoping or will happen he'll be like we need to go against him let's get the people that you know i mean like i think he could gather those numbers and so having strategic devin not being able to assimilate into the main alliance because of the fact that bananas is back on the season and will probably be included in that i think it could good yes they might be the people that bananas will throw in so yes they might go in over and over again but they might get a group together that will be willing to go up against bananas and the other big brother people so i'm hoping for entertainment factor that they are going to be up against each other and i'm hoping that it'll pan out for the better for all of us yeah i don't have much more to say on both devon and tori but let's talk about anissa's partner since i sort of skipped over that rudely so james is gonna be anisa's partner i don't have any real info or background on him drew you might be the person who's the most prepared i'm hoping to have some info for us on james and what to expect coming into the season

1:05:32 They're best friends that's legit all i know there's no reality show i didn't find anything on the past seen him in maybe her post actually yeah i've seen posts with him and any santori together on instagram that's as much as i know about him so yes i don't i don't know much more i see some people saying things about james in the in the life that maybe spoiler-ish i'm not too sure so but we won't go into that on the show if it's if it's not official yeah i was gonna say if you wanted to bring that up or not so i did see something about that yeah so let's not talk about anything spoilerish i guess at this point just in case people are actually listening to this and want to stay spoiler free and we actually don't want to know too much either it's actually getting to that point now where i think we'll have to pre-record our cast you know fantasy cast right now prompt one right now let's just go for a four hour stream and just do while we talk i'll get the spreadsheet set up [Laughter] now give us give us a week and we'll prepare and get something going just so we can make sure we don't know more than what we should let's talk about someone that is coming back to back she's just participated here in all stars and she's going

1:06:52 To be back this season and it's going to be kayla i know that i wasn't very high on kayla coming into all-stars she's been performing really well i think pound for pound probably the best female does help that she's one of the youngest contestants on that season she is the youngest she is the youngest there we go so kayla coming into the season with her fiance what do you guys think of the fact that she's coming back to back does that mean that she did well in the previous season and production likes her now and wants to involve her more in the show or is it more a case of her partner being a big character and someone they want to see on the show as well drew thoughts on kayla i think it's something where they had the idea of the writer die theme in their head and then maybe while they were filming all-stars they were like hey just floating this out there i know you put out a retirement post out there saying that you would probably not come back to the challenge anytime soon but what if it was a ride or die and you could bring your fiance and she was like done deal give me what how many zeros are on that check i'll sign it right now kind of thing she made a post saying that she would she would not be back on the challenge because it takes too long to film she has a fiance now slash

1:08:12 Husband and she lives in england so now that her husband can be on the show with her she's cool with it sam bird is not a huge character by any stretch of the means he was on love island uk he was fine there he was on x on the beach peak of love where he was fine there and he's going to be on this show where he will be fine here luckily we won't hear kayla have to say a lot of old people jokes hopefully and at least kayla is able to go against alliances and she's not really afraid to go against the alliances now the last time we did oh he's shaking in her boots they could throw me down there sorry well she would come after carl maria she will have nani helping her out there so i do think that i have faith that kayla can go far even with her husband he's been getting in shape as well but i think that kayla will be fine on this show it's gonna be interesting because last time we saw her was total madness where her bananas and wes were kind of friction with each other with the whole bear situation and now we have two out of the three holy trinity so i don't know what we're calling that the holy duo here and so now bananas has to has to play nice with kayla

1:09:32 There's no teasing there's no joking because they're going to have to work with them that's their numbers i mean kayla's going to be nani's number one outside of casey so bananas has got no self-control he's going to tease her let's be honest he's got no self-control but he's probably going to do it in a friendly manner chateau do you want to add anything to this like there's a few of these where we could just yeah i'm going to say the best thing about this do is that he has a british accent i really like the british accent my dad's from england so i appreciate hearing it and so they find that their humor is funny and so i'm interested to see if he's gonna bring a little bit of the banter into the challenge house but other than that i'm not really excited about the duo yeah i mean i'm sad not to see kyle on the season i might be the only person i'm like oh man i've got to show you something like just because we're talking about the uk accent you know kyle like we could have seen colon but yeah i mean he could have easily been bananas as right or die as well you know like i mean but i think it's male female right yeah there's no email but i'm sure they could have found a woman to be his partner but maybe family obligations now let's go over to someone that you know i just know that when this name got dropped drew absolutely jumped out of his chair he almost loves this person as much as he loves

1:10:52 Brad mr nelly t is back for another season that's not who i thought you were gonna say i'm not gonna lie that's not who i thought you were gonna say and i'm happy no i wasn't gonna troll i wasn't gonna trust you i wasn't gonna troll you but nelson you love nelson talk to us about i mean your love for nelson and seeing him back in our screens i mean honestly after what happened on our challenge 38 fantasy cast battle royale i don't think anybody was gonna let me not hear when i suggested the other person that i thought you were gonna say i'm happy nelson is back i'm happy that he is going to be on a season with somebody that i've wanted to see on the challenge for years now really i think that she could do really great yeah she was on x on the beach not excellent beast piccolo but x on the beach mtv us she was on are you the one it's maurice i've heard that she's been wanting to be on the challenge for the longest time and they just would not put her on nelson and maurice kind of had a fling they did for a while that's why they were on excellent beach together and then now i guess they're in good company so their friends slash exes and hopefully maurice can be his puzzle queen that he needs he desperately needs but we'll see how this goes maybe she can be his good luck

1:12:13 Too and finally get him that daily win he's been looking for oh my god how many how many has he like not since vendetta's wow and how many individuals has that been like 16. now it was 54 i think last season at the beginning of last season so it's been it's been a lot so hopefully he can win something but like i said without corey he only has fessy part of the young bucks or whatever they're calling themselves and you can't even trust fessy in this house so it's gonna be an uphill battle i think his closest ally is gonna be jay and like i mentioned earlier with michelle and jay i don't know how many numbers that they can say they definitively have having their backs 100 so hopefully nelson and maurice can make it far i like them so we'll see chris is asking a question there she's asking will we get part two of the nelity workout plan on tiny table talk this season drew i mean wasn't part two the challenge workout when rachel kicked me and nelson's butt in that workout video i think you're needing a part three but hey if he does another workout regime i'll be right there with him yeah we should tell thoughts on nelly t having him back we know you're very 50 i feel like you lean towards

1:13:33 Not liking nelly t to be honest that much well the reason why i'm not the biggest fan of nelly t is because of how he sometimes treats the women in this house and his how he talks about them or to them and the fights that he gets i just like i don't appreciate that but he sometimes he redeems himself and then he's kind of funny or silly in his confessionals so that's kind of why i'm always going back and forth on nelly i you know i don't care for him to really get that win because yeah he's in shape but he doesn't exercise any other parts of himself that he would need to win this game so if maurice is a challenge beast and really helps them be able to get the strategic part of these challenges and maybe get a couple of daily wins and maybe get some power like i wouldn't i would like i love seeing people change and grow and my opinions about them completely change and grow you know there's a lot of people that i didn't like at one point and that they were able to start doing things and they changed the personalities basically and like evolved into a new person and now i enjoy them so i would love to have that for nelson but he kind of comes back in the same old sable so right now he's still single same old to me i'm wondering which woman other than maybe his partner that he might get in some sort of altercation with but if that doesn't happen and he kind of

1:14:53 Changes tune i could be down with him but he's just another one of the people in this game this season that i don't care that much for but i'm willing to have an open mind that they can shift my perspective if they do something different than they always do yeah i hear you on that i don't like some of the things that he does sometimes and how he acts around woman and sometimes he's got this charming personality with his jokes and i've said before he reminds me of johnny bravo you guys both didn't know who that was but just the comedy that he brings out like i do enjoy that side of him a little bit and you know i agree with you he needs to work on other things if i'm going to be critical on someone like anissa because she keeps complaining she can't win the show and she doesn't work on the physicality side of things then i have to be just as critical on nelly t for not you know reading a book every now and again you know completing some little puzzles online or you know taking some instagram photos with him playing chess in the park you know i need to be you know looking at that and saying hey like you're nelly you need to be out there you know doing the hard work to actually go out and win one of these shows but i am excited still to see him on i do think that his personality is unique and that it is something that we need we don't just need a bunch of game bots or

1:16:13 Strategic thinkers or boring and bland personalities so from that side i think he's got a place in the you know the season and that he will bring something different to it i don't know don't be there with corey because i think that you know sometimes it's better for these duos to be there on their own so they have to form new relationships and they can't rely on the fact that they have each other i don't know if he's gonna work that well with fessy because we he's learned that fessy is a little bit two-faced so maybe this will be an opportunity for him to change up his game a little bit and i'm willing to i'm willing to watch that so hopefully he'll do that well we've gone an hour and 16 minutes into this podcast before we had to bring this person up here on our screen so let's talk about fessy since you just name dropped him there as well chantal i know you're probably jumping outside of your seat you're so excited to see fissy back for another season tell us what do you think we can expect from fesi this season and you know can he go from a zero to hero is there a road for him to change the perception of people out there about him or do you think that just the legacy he has there is just no way he can't do anything to change that i don't know if he can i'm

1:17:33 Curious to see how well he'll work with his partner i don't know who she is but she seems to be quite fit i don't know if i want him to be like a dominant duo because i don't think that he is the best person when he's in a strong position and i would like him to be humbled a little bit and i would like him to you know he's acting he says that he's grown and he realizes that you know he was showing with esther last season that he was appreciative of her as a partner and he seemingly was being supportive and that he recognized in his past season that he wasn't treating his partners that well so i would like to see more of that but i don't want him to be a dynamic duo because him with power his ego gets too big and i really can't stand him so i would like to still see if that growth arc is happening but i don't want him to be winning all the time because yeah i can't stand fessy winning and being really proud of himself no so yeah i don't i don't i don't love fessy there's not a lot of love for fishy here in the live chat either drew english that's about yeah and just in general in general but that's definitely the feedback we're getting drew talk to us about you're gonna be

1:18:53 Your number one draft pick is there i just tell us your strategy tell us really funny for our for our for our draft if i can get it set up before we do it but fessy is gonna make it far because of his numbers and his intimidation in size basically that's how he makes a far in every single season that he does unless he throws squishes josh's face which won't happen this season so hopefully he squishes somebody else's face and gets kicked off or he slips on a banana peel or something in the finals or not even make it that far but because of his numbers because of his social game and because of his size and his intimidation factor it's just inevitable he's going to make it at least the halfway point it seems every single season that he's on i think the biggest question mark is his pairing his partner which is mariah she is an instagram model and influencer that's all we know she posts a lot of gym selfies at the gym so she looks to be in shape but is she in shape enough to run these long distances do these very hard tasks that the challenge makes you do it's way different i'll be honest it's

1:20:13 Way different when you do some of the like high intensity over and over tasks that you have to do for the challenge instead of just like lifting weights and running on a treadmill it's completely different so i want to see how she is in shape how she matches up with the other contestants and if fessy will get frustrated with her because to me there's no way this girl gets on here unless fessy like shows a picture and gives contact information saying i want her to be my partner please get her to be on the show kind of thing so we'll see if she can come in and play turbo fessy elimination where fessy loses well what elimination does like i think anything athletic that's not a hall brawl because to be honest there's very few people that will be able to take physio on and physical turbo's not that tall he's not like he's stocky but he's not that tall i think there's only one person that can take fessie on but i don't know if they'll win and that's amber's boyfriend i forgot his name i think he's got the bold and the physicality to take someone like fessy on but then again you can't disrespect like i mean hate the guy or love the guy you can't disrespect the fact that he's played you know american football at a certain

1:21:33 Level and that is a sport that's all about going into contact knowing how to go into contact to make your body move in a certain way and get over your opponent so i do think fessy will beat most people in a physical challenge but if it's something athletic like for instance where they've got to run or they've got to do something like climb like i think turbo can beat him and almost and also i think turbo's smart i think he can beat him in puzzles so i think that's like the one thing but it's like do we see fessy this season go into something because he's like i'm hot i keep winning everything but the only thing that he wins is physical like let's see you do something else that's not physical and then see if you can win that you know and then we can reassess i wouldn't mind seeing him in the one that emmanuel and logan did where they had to like jump over that thing and hit the bell and go back and forth i want to see him do something like that where you have to be agile and you have to be fast and you have to be strong and you have to have endurance like well do you remember that one that darrell and corey did and i believe double agents where they had the rope and they had to run through the poles and then get to the other side and hit the he might be fast though i don't think he beats i don't think he beats turbo and race like i mean turbo's got the ball like he's got that runner physique

1:22:54 You know build yeah i think so i think i think he's and again i could be wrong like i mean fizzy could surprise us in that but i wouldn't want to see i mean i'll give respect to him physically i think there's very few people this season that physically will be able to take him on can you drop the name of his partner again let me just get a picture of her up as well drew it's mariah m-o-r-i-a-h i don't know her last name i don't have it up right okay i got it got it right here okay but we don't know much about her at this stage right all i know is she's an instagram model and influencer that's all we get that's all the is we don't really know of any reality shows she's ever been on so this is completely from fessy he either knows her or knew somebody that said that she would do it she's fit and maybe he was like and i'm single let's do this thing like maybe try to like chain her up to him and like have this like stockholm syndrome and maybe like oh well since he's my partner yeah well i think that you know knowing fishy he's gonna want to have someone with like you said athletic ability partner up with him so he's got a chance at actually winning the show so i'm sure she's got some capabilities that we may or may not be aware of i feel like we've gone through a lot of the

1:24:14 Main sort of players that are going to be in this season is there someone that i have missed that you guys really want to talk about in more depth or should we start looking at some wider topics for instance one of the topics i wanted to jump into if you guys are happy for us to proceed is the theme itself what do you guys think is there anybody else you wanted to talk about or can we jump into some wider topics and also some questions from the live stream did we get it we got everybody i think right we got everybody but the rookie teams but the wreckage is there anybody in the rookie teams that drew stands out for you anybody that you're excited to see come in okay let's have a chat about that yes the one team that i'm i think the most capable of the rookie teams is olivia from love island season three and her partner horatio for those who don't know who her ratio is horatio gutierrez he comes from a show oh my gosh i knew i was going to forget the stinking show's name but when you watch the show it's a mirror image of survivor turkey challenges it's like a ninja warrior meets like crossfit meets you're running and swimming and doing like throwing bean bags to knock over blocks on a on a on the table and you're going up against one on one with the person and you're doing this over and over and over again

1:25:34 He's super fit he does a ton of spartan races death races as you can see on his shirt right here i mean he is fit he is fast and he has a good understanding or a good with all the love island people like he's seen on instagram hanging out with johnny middlebrooks or johnny lee as he's known on instagram so they are very well connected with each other and to me when i watch his highlights from his show i think it's called exultan on telemundo or a similar station he it reminded me of when i looked up turbo for the first time and he was doing all this survivor turkey challenges i mean it's almost like one for one so i think he's going to be the rookie who is most going to be like acclimated to the challenge and the tasks that are going to be called upon him is i think he's going to be a one-for-one shot in here and i think olivia is tall she's she looks physical she looks strong so to me i think out of all the rookies i'm most excited to see what olivia and horatio can do and i mean rookie pairings out of everybody so that's who i wanted to bring up that's going to be interesting actually to watch i didn't know anything about him so i'm happy to i'm

1:26:54 Kind of interested in maybe watching whatever this show that he was on so i you made me intrigued by her ratio i'm not the biggest fan of olivia personally she does for me seem a little bit kind of fame thirsty a little bit but you know if she has a good partner and if she decides to play hard and play well she's probably a little bit irritated that all of her friends were on cbs the challenge and so then she got this call and she's like yes i have to get on this show because i don't want to be the only one left out of not going on the cbs challenge so i'm interested to see how they do just because i've seen obviously her season and i feel like i'm going to go back and check out his season so yes that'll be an interesting rookie pair to look out for johnny's also on the season am i right drew yes johnny millbrook's johnny lee and real quick it's exalt lon estadios unidos i just butchered that but that's what the show is called exalt exalton you'll have to message that you'll have to message that to me afterwards and i'll go check it out but yeah i mean i'm aware of the death race itself because that is like

1:28:14 The peak of endurance challenges that people do where they run for like a week a week on end and they like hardly sleep you know it is some serious business if he's taking part it's not just a reality tv show sport event type of thing this is like serious athlete stuff so i feel like if he makes a final and if he's half decent at puzzles and things like that he could just run circles probably around most people so yeah so it'll be interesting to see how he goes yeah it looks very much like to survive the 2k actually yeah he was doing well in it too like he is one of the players that is on there constantly it's like they go against celebrities and other players and stuff but it's he used to be a college soccer player as well like it's intense i mean yeah well what's exciting what's exciting for me about seeing someone like him come into a season such as this is that he is going to go hard every single day to win because there is no incentive for him not to win he doesn't have the connection so we need more people to play hard every single episode so i'm excited about that so let's get into the theme of it right or die are you guys happy who's johnny's partner who's johnny's partner oh johnny and we haven't actually had johnny b up so

1:29:34 This is johnny b for those who don't know pretty in shape as well is that right are you looking for yeah and who's the part and who's the partner drew for johnny raven her name is raven r-a-v-y-n again sorry i don't have like last names but her name is raven she's in she's an actress an instagram model an influencer she is on tick-tock and she is partnered with johnny both are in great shape she looks to have a personality if she's in shows and actress and has a good following on tiktok i think she has a good personality at least and i know johnny can be messy if left to his own devices the only worry is that they are a rookie team and johnny is one of the smaller fellas inside the house i will say like on his love island season he was one of the shorter castmates so i feel like he could be like looked at as i want to go up against johnny even though he is very physical and he could run really fast i think that it's going to be one of those things where if i could get him in a pole wrestle or a hall brawl i would like to go against them like aka fessy if he had his choice and saw a whole brawl he would probably say i want to go okay

1:30:56 Well if jay was already taken out if jay was already taken out he would say johnny all right anybody else here from the rookies that we have not spoken about i don't know who else is on who's left in the rookies so i guess i think colleen schneider is one of the ones that i still see i think schneider colleen i don't know if you know anything about her drew at all no clue yeah she was on the mole germany recently and she was the titular character of the mole so she did not win the series because everybody knew she was the mole by the end of the show but maybe she can bring that sly lying with her onto the show and that maybe it'll help her get far into the season do we know anything about a potential partner for her yes i believe her partner is going to be kim trunka or tranca he was on prince charming germany which is like a bachelor type of show except it's for gay men and he was prince charming looking for his prince charming and he found his prince charming and they were still together by the time they filmed the finale the first time in the show's history that the two

1:32:17 Partners stayed together up until the show's reunion show but then when you look him up there's a ton of cheating allegations happening with kim so he could be messy as well coming on to the show all right i don't have a picture of him at this point he's got really long hair i know that he's gorgeous he's gorgeous he looks like he looks like a like a thor almost he's he is beautiful are you sweating i mean just a little bit [Laughter] drew you've done an amazing job i agree with dolores in really researching a lot of these people that we don't know and that have not been on you know western united states or you know any tv shows that i've seen so good job on that well done thank you thank you for helping me through here because i'm like there's a few people like myself and should tell her like completely in the dark about it all right it's everybody there right third time let's go annalise and tommy but we kind of know what to expect from them i will say that the only thing i kind of wished kind of what chantal i have to know where i'm pointing my hands but i kind of want i kind of was speaking of sorry before you say that i don't know if you notice but you can actually do mirror

1:33:37 Now when you log in and so that you won't be confused anymore so really yeah that's an option now and so now i know that this is this way and this is this way and it's all i don't have to be like anyways just i don't like to touch too much because i don't like to fix what isn't broken so i'll just learn it myself and not have to screw anything up but i will say i wish they did what chantelle had said earlier when we talked way so long ago about jay and michelle i wish they would have split them up and i wish we would have gotten like a nom and michelle redo from challenge 37 and then had jay and annelise together and then we could have split up the big brother numbers maybe they would have been protected a little bit more and nam would have had a for sure partner that would want to stay in the game and win than what we kind of previously had nothing against tommy or anything but i just feel like i would have rather have seen annelise and jay who i know are very close with each other whereas i think annelise and tommy have hung out with each other they were in some of the same alliances on big brother but what does that really hold does that really hold any water or any weight when you say i was in the same alliance as somebody on big brother everybody's in like 50 000 alliances on big brother just talked to enzo he was in every single alliance and he anybody could be his writer died compared to everybody that's

1:34:57 On the season so i wish they would have split it up and i think dom would have had a much fairer chance in my opinion coming into the this season and also with tommy i watched him play us one of the minis with sequester minis and he was really wishy-washy and he wouldn't make a decision and used to go like i don't know what to do like i can't like make it like number how sylvia was on all stars when she had to give someone the which would call it sabotage like that kind of energy with everything and like not want to make a decision so yes i get it that he's probably going to want to play quite social and want everybody to like him so i don't really have that much faith that tommy's going to make any really cutthroat strategic decisions i think that he's just going to try to list like stay as long as he can and not make any as many any ways as possible as little waves as possible before chris tries to start this new topic again i'm just gonna i'm just gonna say i'm just gonna say for the fourth time the truth is coming out here on this podcast everybody in the live stream now knows that i'm officially not the biggest big brother fan in this group okay because i've been trying to skip like chris has asked me to skip over analyze and tommy into something else but both drew and chantal keeps

1:36:17 Dragging us victor back to big brother because i love talking about big brother players coming into the season the troop is out we got to talk about everybody now my last question is though didn't i hear that melissa was coming back on the season yes early on melissa reed she was supposedly going to be on this season and her partner was supposed to be da brad was supposed to be her partner yep brad who knows why who they were on two seasons together one vendettas where him and kyle were going at each other which means that brad and melissa wouldn't be paired up with each other or like each other on that season and then on 32 melissa was on that season for our like three hours and then she got kicked off so i don't know where that would have happened yeah i don't know where their relationship or ride or die would come in from but brad i heard pulled himself from the season so he was ready to come on they were supposed to come on and then at the last minute when i guess they were about to board the plane or getting ready to board that day he just was like i'm not doing it so he pulled himself from the show meaning melissa was cut from the show and i wonder if there's something else in the works for brad maybe production called

1:37:37 Them up because kind of like what we saw with the challenge usa and the challenge all-stars with bananas dipping out of all stars or some of the players from the challenge usa can't be on the challenge 38 maybe there's a different challenge season maybe another all-stars they're kind of like trying to gear up for at some point and brad's like i would rather do that because i know i can get farther in that season than over here kind of thing but we'll see all right fifth time we're gonna get into it the theme right or die what do we know about it do you like this idea and that they're doing this right now like for me personally i'm happy that we're moving away from agents and spies and you know all these i felt like the last couple of seasons have been monotonous and it was almost like one just long saga of the same season i know that there are still some of the same players on this season but i'm happy that they're moving on to other themes outside of the spy double agent type of thing that we've been seeing play out on our screens for quite a bit now how do you both feel about this as we start getting into some of the closing more wider topics about the season chantelle what do you think of it i like it i want to try something new like what things i've been saying over and over again for the players is that i want to see some growth in something different and then do something

1:38:57 Differently and so i'm gonna i'm gonna hold mtv to that standard as well like okay we've done the spies lies and allies double agents we've done those missions season after season for many episodes and so let's try something different and they didn't go back to something old and so like we were all hoping that maybe they do like another rivals or exes or whatnot but i'm happy with them trying a new kind of little you know series mini franchise and so maybe you know rider dies season one is gonna be pretty awesome and pretty epic and maybe we'll see down the road a season two so i like that they're trying something new something different i wanna see how it plays out i wanna see if there's going to be challenges that are going to relate to this theme i want to see if they're going to really use this theme in a way that we haven't seen yet before so i'm cautiously optimistic obviously because mtv has been making some mistakes and with how they've each season but i'm happy that they decide to put aside the missions and try something new so i'm optimistic true so at first i was like okay that kind of makes sense one thing i will say that i'm very happy about is that they already used allies in last season's title so it can't be so they can't use

1:40:18 Allies and that drums up like ideas of more spy theme ride or die sounds more like a motorcycle more like an apocalypse of the mad max kind of thing ride or die type of situation so i hope they keep ride or die and they don't switch it up to something else and have to make tj go into vo and say the new title over and over and over again we just see the back of his head every time he has to say it but i think it's interesting the only worry i have is that friendship was such a huge theme last season and it really watered it down with coming into a season like rider dies you wonder where is the drama going to be because at least with rivals when you're paired up with your rival or you're paired up with your ex and there's that contention there's a built-in drama that is going to happen with a lot of the pairs and so will they work together will they not work together with this you kind of already know the pairs are going to work together i guess it's just how are they going to get to the end type of situation like is that going to be it so my worry is where is the inherent drama going to be coming from because right now i don't see any drama on the horizon because this isn't there is some exes partnered together but their right or dies so they're going to have to work together and so we know that they can work together

1:41:38 It's just where is that inherent drama going to be coming maybe they'll have to do something like voting in their part people's partners and so like maybe it's going to be splitting them up and how people are being determined in eliminations and stuff like that like maybe one side will be voting people in i'm not sure i actually haven't really conceptualized what i'm saying here but maybe that's they're going to build something into the format that is going to create some tension where it's like what do you do involving in my partner or my ride or die or you know or having to vote in your ride or die for something i don't know so maybe they'll play around the format but i'm cautiously optimistic that they'll give it a go yeah selena you're right or die is definitely something that's been used in big brother a lot over the years so she's saying that it may be something that's come from the big brother side of things but yeah i'm similar to you guys i'm a little bit worried about so many friends being on the same show again that's why we kind of made a big thing about amber hopefully being someone that will go against some of instead of complaining or whining or groveling and going back to the likes of casey and fesi hopefully she goes up against that power structure but i'm a little bit worried about that as well michelle and jay survivor players jay has shown that he does not mind going against people like i mean him and josh having a bit of a falling out not that long ago and then michelle she's feisty as well so

1:42:58 You know who knows the only thing is michelle's been hanging around quite a lot of the challenge players and i think she did that for a reason to try and politic like that's what she does best so maybe she will calm jay down a little bit more than anything else which would be not the greatest for us from an entertainment standpoint if we watch this season but yeah very interested in that now location wise we're in argentina for this one that is also where the challenge cbs was filmed we know that there is a few things happening behind the scenes in regards to the challenge australia the challenge argentina and the uk version of the show do we think that we're going to see a rinse and repeat of some of the challenges that we see on cbs that they may reuse because it was in the same location do we think that the house may be the same do you think we might get you know one of the things for me personally being a survivor fan i've been getting pretty stale with survivor always being in fiji always the same beaches after a while it's not you know you subconsciously get a little bit worn down by having the show take place in the same location all the time do you guys think that's going to play a role here this season or this is really unimpressed if they repeated the same challenges for mtv's season 38 with like cbs

1:44:19 Challenge like i just that would be so disappointing to me like beyond actually i'd be more disappointed than i was at the end of all stars too i think because you get tj walking imagine this tj walking in the beginning of the show now we've got the challenge 38 now here are mine oh my god they have not seen they have not seen the challenge cbs yet so they don't know the twists that we have ahead for them coming into the season would just be like tj oh my god that thing would bring it doesn't happen i don't want to put it out in the world i don't want to put it out but i'm a little bit worried here i'm a little bit worried i mean hopefully that they were just there and they scoped some locations and i really want it to be drastically different i don't want there to be any i want to do two different shows and i'm really nervous now chris i didn't think that was gonna be a possibility that they just do the same show that's stupid so i don't want that to happen yeah i mean to just obviously see argentina once but i don't know if i care to see it twice you know for this type of thing like i want to go to argentina and it's be there for a month and hang out and learn about the culture but i don't know for what the challenge offers if i need to see multiple seasons in argentina variety

1:45:39 Is the spice of life but drew what do you think about you know the possibility of seeing six seasons in argentina so yeah the one thing i do want to say is that i'm oh i'm fine if say like all the spin-offs had the same kind of competitions because then we get to see it one for one we get to see how well each player does and i think that's the most fair especially at the end of all the spin-offs the tournament will be all the winners coming together it would be pretty devastating if one team felt like they had if you feel like one team had a way easier way to get to the end via the challenges at least i mean maybe they come in with better numbers but with if it comes in with the challenges then i think that you one team would feel just completely off compared to the other teams that may have had it a little bit more difficult but when it comes to the channels 38 i want that completely separate fine we're all in argentina but the challenge 38 has to be completely different than what we're seeing with the challenge usa because we're going to be seeing the challenge usa in the summer is probably going to be going for maybe 13 episodes so three months three to four months and then we're gonna get right into close in proximity after it wraps up we're going to get to the challenge 38 so i do not need to see a lather rinse repeat with all the challenges

1:47:00 From one season to go directly into the next one and then we're seeing the same exact challenges like you're not helping your audience enjoy the show you're just whoever is the most loyal or is willing to take a leap of faith in different products that you're putting out you're hindering or punishing them now having to watch double duty of the same just new faces doing it so i hope it's completely different yeah jelly doughnuts here saying i think it may be a shorter season thank god because gamer said that there's no redemption house and there's only 16 pairs and i wouldn't be surprised if it is a shorter season because you know that i know that they're starting to sniff around the australian cast members are starting to get lined up you know so i've got a feeling that the challenge australia will be formed either as the challenge 38 is being filmed or in very quick succession so i would not be surprised if it's going to be a shorter production timeline and also i think that's why they're doing the season in argentina so that if they have to cross over and tj has to run between the two seasons he can do it just for location purposes but i am a little bit worried about that i also wanted to talk about you know we've talked about everybody that has been on this car so far and who we've seen who's the biggest omission and let's

1:48:20 Not talk about ct because we know ct didn't want to come on the show this time but people who we think would have actually potentially participated this season and they didn't get a call or they're not a part of the season do you guys have any ideas as to who you think would have been the biggest omission in my opinion i think it's kyle i've gotten so used to seeing kyle season and season out and i love his humor i think he brings something different to the show that i'm gonna miss this season not having him on the show i was not a kyle fan from day one for obvious reasons but you know he grew on me as time went on he grew on me more and more and i really do feel like i'm gonna i'm gonna miss him this time around chantel yeah who do you think is a colin melissa would have been a good duo i think someone was even mentioning that in the chat and i was like that would have been super fun you get more accents in there which i'm interested in for sure and obviously i like kyle's antics so it would have been nice to see him on again so i agree with that also chat was mentioning it but i was i was also agreeing with that is amanda would have been a great partner to have with nelson i know that you're interested in seeing maurice there drew but you know nelson having amanda as a partner like they've been friends since their season of are you the one i wouldn't have minded seeing them working together maybe this season and i've been

1:49:40 Enjoying amanda for the most part since she's come back so it would have been nice to see her on this season and you know with a partner like nelson see if they could do a little bit better she'd have the brains part of it she knows him really well she's not gonna back down she's willing to go up against you know the power groups and so i think she could have probably brought some good opposition to the game and it could have been helpful for delhi to be playing more strategically so yeah those are kind of a couple people that i wouldn't have mind seeing and surprised it didn't get the cut make the cut drew any yes from your side so somebody that i was shocked to not see was tony since it felt like everybody was alluding to the fact tony was possibly going to be on the on the show this season i mean bananas and tj were on bananas podcast being like oh check your watches it's almost that time it's almost that time so i wonder if they tony was in talks and then pulled out or just was never really in the talks and they were just trying to stir up some stir up some like names going into there so them i think corey lay was somebody that i was surprised he is somebody that i think really wanted to be on the season he had a partner and then it got cut and then he got to go to argentina as an alternative and then

1:51:00 As an alternate and then he was dropped and was sent back home with josh and the two winners of love island africa who were those were the four alternates and they were flown back to their homes and then there was one more person kelsen priscilla was supposedly a duo that i would have loved love to have seen on this season without a doubt i loved kells i love priscilla from last season and coming into this season paired up together i think they would have been lethal duo but they were not allowed to compete i heard priscilla wasn't able to actually be on the show and so they had to drop kells along with her well speaking of dropping people do you know what the t is between why cory like why makayla dropped out and then because corielle was then really pissed at michaela and they unfriend followed each other and had a little bit of a spat on instagram so do you know any more details so i know why michaela did not do the challenge she put out an instagram live or a video going over the reasons why she said that she wanted to take some time off she needed to she didn't want to put herself back into that environment

1:52:20 She also started a new job and she got a signing bonus for that job so starting that new job she it wasn't like it wasn't guaranteed that she was going to get that job when she came back so she was like i don't want to do that i want to secure what i have here and then maybe next time like challenge 39 or challenge 40 if they ask me i'll be ready to go yes her and corey l was supposed to be paired up together because she dropped out corey l said that wasn't that wasn't the reason why he unfollowed her he just said that there's for some for some people in your life sometimes you just gotta cut people out for different reasons but it wasn't because she dropped out of the season that's what he said on twitter if there is if that's opposite he is keeping that to himself but there are some reasons why he decided to unfollow or they unfollowed each other but michaela said that she did not want to put herself back in that environment after what happened last season and that she got a new job so totally respect that and she didn't say no she said that it's a no right now but that doesn't mean a no in the future which makes me excited to see her back on the challenge at some point in the future maybe a rival season with her and corielle let's do it let's have another rival season everybody let's do this i'll buy into that one too

1:53:42 All right as we closing off here a couple of comments sandy is saying white tj is also the host for the international versions from what i'm hearing he will be hosting all of them that's even the argentinian yeah that's what i've heard so yeah so unless it changes so far it looks like that's how it's going to be money this year holy i can i can't tell you guys that the production team for the challenge the main show is also the same team that is behind the challenge australia the challenge uk and argentina so as long as that main team and the main casting department is involved i think that comes with tj i don't know in the future if that means that they'll expand and look to build a local presence in some of these international locations but at this stage they probably didn't have the time because i think that we've spoken about it many times they dropped it on us so quickly it seemed a bit rushed they didn't have time to go and look for hosts get the right production teams involved in different countries so they're kind of just at this stage doing it all their own probably bringing in some local talent but i think it's heavily the main casting department main production team the host and everybody is involved natalie is also asking if any of us are you know worried about ashley not being on or do we miss

1:55:02 Ashley is she a big omission for this season i don't know i feel like ashley there were some things that happened last season i don't know if she's allowed to be back on at this point yeah mtv is doing what mtv does best not letting us understand what went on so i just assumed that she's never going to be back on the show that was like a thought yeah i thought i think if anything it's like a soft band kind of deal with ashley like i'm sure we'll see her back on this the show it's just this season not going to happen maybe not even 39 but around 40. if they have something big like a champion season or an og new school type of season i think they would bring her back on because she is a champion a two-time champion but i think right now because of what happened last season or at least what i've heard from what happened last season allegedly that is probably a soft band and she's she'll be back on at some point i mean if everybody was saying turbo was banned for life guess what a lifetime has happened because he is back on this season same with jay so yeah people said he was never going to be back on and he's back the season after so yeah i think we'll see ashley back i understand yes yeah well i don't get the whole natalie anderson scenario and why she's not back on like she's not banned

1:56:22 Right she left for legitimate reasons well she left for legitimate reasons but she also had some unfavorable tweets come out like where she called someone ratchet even though it was during the time where that word was really in urban culture so i think that people were kind of you know i don't know i think she might have gotten part of this being racist brush and i don't think it was really fair but it could be a soft band though like jay but it came out at around the same time as when jay's statements came our song came out yeah i feel like in today's life like if you if you could create an app that works like grammarly if you guys ever heard of grammarly before like it's like really yeah so you install it makes sure that you're that you're actually you know your grammar is correct and everything is appropriate so you should have like this little app that you put on your social media to like check your words before you put it out and say this is problematic don't use that don't do this and then it just like completely makes sure that everything you put out there is okay because i do feel like we've gotten into a position now where sometimes like and i'm not defending nearly i haven't seen it so i don't know what was said but i feel like we've just sometimes go too far with like taking things very personal now and people get cancelled so easily like it's so difficult in any

1:57:42 Case i mean we're not going to fix it on this podcast here but i feel like either they need a good publicist or a good person that's handling their social media accounts or something needs to happen so that we don't lose good competitors such as natalie like i want to see her back on the show competing because i thought she was a great addition the first time she played i thought it's just because she doesn't want to play at this point that we haven't seen her back because i remember seeing instagram live between her and michelle which she said she wouldn't go back she said unless they made sure to make the million dollars one person wins it all she doesn't want to come back so you know yeah so i thought it was her own not wanting to come back that's why she doesn't want to play it so anyways and she didn't have there was a few things she said that wasn't favorable about production on that as well so we know there's other survivor players that have tyson recently come out with similar types of things so in any case i think that we did an extremely good job here guys we reached two hours of talking about a season that is yet to air but it's been a lot of fun thank you for everybody that has been here from minute one with us you know as we just ramble on about the cast you know who do we like to see you know any thoughts that we have initially about this season it's been great having you guys here as always chantelle where can people find you what do you have coming up over the next week i'm still easy breezy

1:59:02 Monday tuesday wednesday at 7 00 pm eastern been doing watch parties with sarah from nurtainment over on her hair twitch channel the sarah atwood where we're watching big brother australia it's been an enjoyable season to watch together and it's nice watching a season just like enjoying it without like furiously taking notes and having an opinion so that's something i've been doing with her on wednesdays i do my own watch party for the challenge all-stars and then we go live usually and in the evening at either 8 or 10 p.m eastern to talk about the season and then on thursdays at noon going live to talk about the real housewives of beverly hills i really think that's all on the docket right now so and then with you guys obviously fridays at 8 pm eastern so that's it for now but as i keep on saying things are ramping up i think something starts this week something starts tomorrow i think love island uk starts tomorrow so that might start up so keep an eye out for some more content from me yeah dating shows is where you guys lose me it just goes completely over my head drew what do you have coming up on your channel and where can people find you i just want to throw this out there you were like saying that we talked for two hours i mean was that like a

2:00:22 Question i mean i'm half surprised i think we were at 40 minutes when we got through five more we had four teams done and we had 40 minutes in i was like oh we're strapping in this is gonna be three and a half hours let's do this thing what is feel like our record is like battle royale two hours yeah what was what was that no 326 i think it was the battle the battle royale was like almost three hours i think it was like yeah it was close to that because we're gonna we're gonna spend one back to back we did combine like five hours five and a half hours one on friday yeah so let's plug that people who are new to this channel and that are listening to this right now if you want to go check out some great content on drew's channel on the angel cake entertainment channel where we all defend popular and unpopular opinions and we have a bit of a debate about things if you want to see us go back and forth for three hours plus you know go check that out i think that was a lot of fun when we did that back in the day i feel like we're going to at some point we're going to beat that it's going to come i feel like the fantasy draft beat that one of them was 326 i think i could be wrong but that's what i remember that number at one point wow and plugging that fantasy cast battle royale for 38 i think

2:01:42 We nailed it we nailed a couple of it even some of the competitors that were supposed to be on this season and got dropped i think we got put on that cast so just throwing that out there i'm on my channel angel cake entertainment every single day of the week pretty much i mean i'm putting out content six to seven days a week up until all stars ends and then i'm going to pull back drastically and i'll have three to four videos a week including what i'm doing over on patreon for extra content over there on patreon.comcakefit so i'm having a great time putting out a ton of content on the challenge and challenge all-stars right now but i feel like the sweet spot is gonna be three to four videos coming july when the challenge usa starts and the challenge all stars three ends and then i'll be able to do a lot more bigger content like the car maria evolution video and some extra spicier content that is very much like the challenge inferno 3 video that i put out there so i'm in talks with a lot of collabs and i'm looking into trying to get some interviews on the channel as well but that can't happen until i'm not doing six to seven videos a week so just go over to angel cake entertainment and there will be a new video up by the time you look at it all right here on the nullified take channel we have got a

2:03:02 Special off season podcast happening for survivor we're doing survive the themes all about survivor themes there's going to be a general discussion about the themes we like dislike think that should be added to survivor who knows a few of the challenge themes i might even steal a couple like rivals i've always wanted to see a survivor rivals before and we're gonna be talking about that with russell muscle tv who's also got a youtube channel covering a lot of great content for survivor so i'm really looking forward to that survivor south africa's cast has just been dropped for its first return new season and richard who's here in the live chat with us he will be one of my co-hosts for that you know i'm really excited to have both richard and zoe from the hangout room as my co-hosts for this season and also i'm going to continue to drop a lot more challenge content with both drew and shintel each week we're back at 8pm eastern standard time on friday evenings we've got a fantasy cast that we did a draft pick cast that will drop for the challenge cbs as soon as the cast is official we've already got that one in the bank so that will drop as soon as that comes up and i've got a feeling there will be a lot more content to do for the challenge over the next couple of weeks so we'll be very busy strapping and once again guys everybody that's subscribed to the tnt channel thank you so much we're

2:04:22 Nearly at 750 subscribers i think 743 or something subscribers when i came into this so that's another really big goal for me if we hit 750 i'll do a giveaway and we'll give away five of these caps to a few people that are listening to the live streams so what i'll do is i'll do a live giveaway similar to what i did for the survive above giveaway as a thank you to everybody that is a part of this community i really appreciate it that's it and we'll see you guys next week when we talk about the all-stars episode six thank you so much for being here catch you guys next time good night bye