The Challenge 39: Battle for a New Champion Episode 19

0:14 [Music] [Music] p [Music] [Music] welcome back to the nullify Tech Channel on YouTube where and I've got the TNT takes for you on the challenge 39 finale that is right we hit to recap and review the season the finale in its entirety I'm your host Chris Kahuna how you doing buddy it's been a couple of days since the last time we spoke about Australian Survivor how's things been yeah good man I'm doing really well you know Saturday morning just spending the morning with the kids listening to people talk about the challenge on another podcast so I'm hoping I don't get that thing where I leech like you kind of

1:34 Just get the thoughts in your head but it I'm doing well and I'm happy to be at the end of a season which you know was has its ups and downs but yeah we're at the end of it now and I'm feeling good about it overall yeah I'm happy to see the end of the season Colleen had a confessional I think in the finale where she said she can't wait to not have to see these people anymore and I said for the first time she spoke for the fans we all can't wait not to see these people anymore you know she was really on the money in regards to the challenge 39 and moving on to All Stars and to newer seasons in the future listen there I think there are some players from the season that will come back that will form apart of the new sort of I guess era of the challenge that's going to happen regardless and a few of them have shown some promise but as a whole the season has had its ups and its Downs its highs have been few and far between and its lows have been very low I'm very interested to know where people sit in the finale where they sit on the fact that we now have Emmanuel as a new champion who won the season I already have Chris coming in hot right off the rip here asking me if I've changed my mind about Emanuel now after he's W won the show and turned his back on Jordan and Chris I have changed my mind in Emanuel I've seen the light Kahuna was right from the

2:54 Start you know when people turn their back on Champions that is the true essence of a champion it shows the badass that they are and clearly Emanuel showed that from the start so I'm now going to be looking out for other future contenders to turn their back on Champions because that is probably the thing that will make them a true badass like Emanuel is right now how many rings you think emanuel's going to win from here on outa five six potential new you know CT in the works here with Emanuel winning this season I detect a note of sarcasm in your voice there first of all that's the Tik Tok by the way that's the clip there but I also just want to get someone to get me a bit where Chris said Kahuna was right I just need that clipped then I can use that over and over again soundboard I like that I don't get to hear it very often no but you know what like jokingly you say that but this was a Week final for sure but Emanuel looked competent right he at least looked like he could play this game if he if he gets there again I don't think another Ring's out of the question for him like he obviously think out question he looked good like against the weak field admittedly

4:15 Yes but you know it was on a it was in a in a final that had all the equalizers right so that the Wickfield really like we saw him athletically Dominate and then when it came to puzzles and checkpoints and stuff he was just as good like he was also a bit lucky like I feel like Emanuel you know in the sense I say lucky but Lucky in like as you make your own luck and I want to say like 90% of what he did was clearly just the manual but then being paired up with burner and the only portion where they didn't have to run was very convenient for him in those first couple of days when they yeah so it just worked out really well for him but I'm not taking anything away from Emanuel is a great competitor he won this season like you said against probably a weak in field would you say that this finale with this top five maybe is one of the weakest we've seen in quite a while when it comes to the finale in the challenge like if we think of recent Seasons how far would we have to go back to see a field similar to this one in regards to the competitiveness out there because Emanuel was kind of running away with it for most of it narice was sort of up and down and I think you know she's the true MVP of this season she's the true winner because you know Emanuel won the season but narice won our hearts as fans like we're narice fans moving forward which is not an easy thing to do this fandom doesn't accept people very

5:35 Quickly when they're new to the show okay look I'm gonna give some interesting feedback because I've been thinking about this right how weak was it really in comparison to other like to what we used to and I think if you took these competitors from this final and plunk them into other seasons of The Challenge it would be ridiculously weak when one of the weakest ever right but I think I'm going to do a little bit of giving with one hand and taking with another production made a final that was so well balanced that I don't think they were weak competitors in this particular challenge like look at what they had to do can you imagine Cory you imagine the first name that popped into my head because last night was doing fantasy casting for season 40 and Cory like is in the list of potentials and stuff so he's in my head but can you imagine Cory Sudoku the circle puzzle you know like it's this chall this final because I think they knew that it was going to be I think because they knew it was going to be one

6:56 Champion only they made an equalizing final yeah I know can I just say can I can I just say something I don't know where you're going with this can I just say one thing about Cory the I can't wait for the next the challenge rival season where we get to see Corey and the balance beam compete together in a season of The Challenge Rivals because you know you talk about the level of competitive he just carries the beam around the beam was like the most like what was that like the guy can't do basic balance no I'm saying Cory Wharton oh Cory warten I thought you were talking about Cory Wharton in a normal challenge is Fields above any of these people right but in this challenge in this final where there's sudokus and there's puzzles and there's balancing and there's like the bricks and things like that and taking tiles through chicken wire for six hours like yeah this is not one where you go clearly these people are going to be completely outmatched by other PE like I think the production did a great job of making a final where weaker trai traditionally weaker players can Excel and these are skills in themselves which I was like do I like this F do I like what they did and I'm like it's not it's one of those things where you go it's different

8:16 But it's not worse it's like it's just as skillful it's just as taxing mentally some of them were freaking losing it like you said a balance beam was like the downfall of Cory like it was very even to the point where we got you know a close sort of said this whole season I think production has continued to keep up a high standard when it comes to putting the show together it's the contestants within the show that I don't know if they're up to the same standard of some of the previous Seasons that we've seen and I still don't think even after all of that I still don't think I think you kind of agree like you know you're someone that's not high on Corey Warton which you know you've challenged them a few times and said you do a hall brawl against them we're all waiting for that but you know for you to say that these contest not at that level when you've previously said Cory is one of the worst statistically you know proven challenges out there I think proves my point that this was a weaker field overall and I think everybody can agree to that let's say hello to people here in the live because we haven't said hello to everybody hello lovable Nikki welcome back to the live we've got Chris in the live Willie is in the live we've got Sue Becka as well Elise YouTube bear cat is in the live Darren welcome to the live as well Willie welcome who else do we have here that I've missed quite a few people J GS3 mm

9:36 Is back as well duu is in the life Jordan smokes him yeah Jordan wood Jord wood Jordan smokes anyone though he's like he's on Rush what do you mean yeah does he smoke CT though it's CT and ban Prime CT Prime CT versus Prime Jordan who takes it got to be CT I reckon oh just is yeah I reckon he put him he put smokes yeah Jordan smokes everyone except for maybe CT maybe bananas you know like that's the three there like now absolutely bananas so welcome back Elise welcome back to the live as well who else do we havea is in the live welcome back to the live as well Lena says and Nelly is better than them as well totally agree obviously hope that Nelly can make his way back I don't know better than Emanuel Nell's not better than Emanuel yeah not when it comes to puzzles at least yeah's well balanc run yeah Emanuel looked like he was very well balanced right like he can compete yeah king cooper saying if we aren't going to call Jenny West anymore I think Emanuel should get the same treatment yes I agree because what would make Emanuel more entertaining the fact that he is

10:57 Hooking up with different girls but they're not showing know what would more ENT I just think it would be ENT says to quote fedra no not my bolicious about Corey a bit of trador coming in here Dana is back in the live as well just got here be right back dinner ready be right back take your time we're gonna be here for a while still but let's talk about the beginning of this episode kuna we start off here where we finished with Emanuel having to make a decision he has to throw someone into elimination and we're going to try and be as objective as we can over here I always try to be sometimes it Anno the fans because they would like for me to just pile on someone and just everything this person does is bad where I like to look at all angles when it comes to Emanuel there's something to be said about him at least being loyal to the people who work with him in this season like narice clearly I was shouting for her in this finale I wanted her to do well but he did The Honorable thing here and once again prove for future Seasons if he comes back that he is a loyal number if he tells you he's going to ride or die with you he's going to stay with you so if he does come back I think Emanuel definitely has a chance some people don't think he can win another ring I think he can get to another final just based off the performance here that he had this season and showing loyalty where narice is someone that he puts in here as someone that didn't work with him obviously she was a threat and

12:17 He probably knew that as well but he could have gone anyway here he could have taken Cory on for instance as someone that was a pretty strong Runner and kept up with him throughout a lot of this finale as well but he did choose to into the elimination do you agree that it was a smart move at least from Emanuel in this case for future Seasons I don't know if Emanuel thinks future season longterm wise like strategically like that I think he does I don't think he's a dumb guy I don't think he's a dumb guy I really don't I feel like that's a stretch to say that like just because he doesn't talk a lot like I don't know why maybe not future season I do think he's loyal I think he's loyal oh that's true yeah surviv play so yeah maybe but like I'm not saying he's dumb I just don't think he made that decision with that in mind longterm yeah Security in mind I think just think I played with these people I'm going to be loyal to them not loyal to his girlfriend but loyal to them which is the important thing so yeah like he's friends with Corel so I don't know if that's better or worse afterwards they became well Cory's coming back so I know people don't want to that but Cory's definitely coming back and yeah I do think so I think Cory was one of the bigger characters from this season so

13:37 I do think it's interesting at the end of the season where Cory said that he learned a lot from people and that he T some boxes exactly so he said Emanuel and Berner you know were surprised him in a positive way where Michelle was someone that he felt disappointed by throughout the season which is quite interesting so I think they became friends afterwards but yeah I think it was a smart move here obviously the same option isn't given to niss In This Moment where she can select someone to go up against like Cory had for the first elimination they have to go to the draw two of them is a choice the chaos choice where you can choose who you want but she ends up pulling Mariah out of there and I will say for a moment there my heart sank a little bit not knowing what the challenge was going to be that they were going into because Mariah's a pretty decent competitor and I was thinking to myself is if this is something physical Mariah probably would have a slight Edge on someone like her and we ladies and gentlemen have got a special guest joining us today as well which I haven't mentioned yet because I basically told this person very last minute hey if you want to jump on jump on and have you know come have some fun with us today as we talk about the finale but we have got Mr angel cake in the house Drew how you doing I'm doing well it's been crazy

14:57 Long time since I been on here and or talked to you face to face and also hello Kahuna hey man how you going first yeah first time obviously long time fan first time meate which I'm pleased to meet you yes awesome happy to finally meet you and be here yeah we're very happy to have you here obviously scheduling wise things have been busy for all of us and it's made it hard to get the trial back together so you know we need to get the trial definitely back on the show at some point but I thought you know if you're happy to jump on if Chantel is happy to jump on if they've got time you know jump on have a chat let's talk about the finale and we're kind of kind of talking a little bit angel cake about the moment here where narice had to choose someone and Mariah's name came out and I said my heart dropped a little bit for her because Nar has been such a fan favorite this season and she is well-rounded I would say more well rounded than Mariah but not knowing what the actual elimination was going to be thinking oh if it's something physical Mariah might have a slight Edge on her here how did you feel when you saw that happening in real time and have you been as big of a fan of Nar the season as the rest of us I'd be surprised if you weren't though yeah I mean I was a fan of narice last season for the most part besides the whole Amber situation but this season I mean I know

16:18 She was a fan I've seen her since her Ru the One season so I was excited that she was a fan and on the show and this season she's definitely grown more in my heart than what happened in Ry or dies she just came and played like you said she was well-rounded she stood up for what she believed was right in the game even if it wasn't right for her game specifically and she kick butt I mean she sent home five people I mean one three eliminations sent home five people is absolutely incredible I did not think it was going to be physical because of the possibility of her having to maybe go against Corelle that it was always going to be a puzzle so I always expected her to have the upper hand let alone it's Mariah we don't know necessarily know what her strengths are she really hasn't been tested a whole lot in her challenge career so far if there is going to be any further challenge career but I definitely felt like narice was going to be having the upper hand in this in this elimination yeah don't forget angel cake she's going to come back bigger not bigger like this but like this you know if she does come back in the future so maybe we do see Mariah back in the future but let's read a couple of the comments here quite a few people from the bakery in the live as well Chris

17:38 Saying hello Alisa saying hello quite a few people YouTube be cat saying hello not the Drew reveal from king cooper yes it is the Drew reveal what's up Drew so a lot of love being shown here for Drew and youat says explains Chris's t-shirt yeah I've been a fan of angel cakes way before we even did a podcast Way Back and I am a part of the bakery which is angel cakes patreon where he does a lot of work on the Kahuna is now part of that patreon as well actually so if you're a big fan of the challenge and you just like to talk to other fans like minder people go join there's a lot of off you know I guess off the main Channel content that happens there as well so I'll get angel cake to talk about that towards the end before he jumps off how long do we have you angel cake are you here for the whole thing are you here for a little bit I'm not doing anything right now I just got done with like setting things up I'll be honest I was in the live chat last week and I had such a fun time that I almost I almost messaged you and been like hey can I just jump on next time you can always do that by the way just so you know you can always do that I'm just glad I got the I didn't even check the live stream before jumping on but I'm glad I got the black shirt we're done with the challenge 39 season I'm glad I got the memo I had it already on so I'm happy I fit the

18:58 The pattern that we have here so for always welcome I feel like this season's competitors when like CT came down like a all right we got a champion invasion of the champion here just wait for Drew to pull the chaos and then he goes you thought you were going to go head-to-head with Corey and a whole braw coer it ends up being braw against you we've got Zoe coming in with 14 South African rand thank you so much Zoe we appreciate you saying I'm awake for the life I love this hello Drew so yeah it's back where it all started Chris doing the free promo for Drew's patreon I always listen I'll always promote Drew's patreon because it is I don't say this because I'm selling it I just love that space it is a really good community that you've created Drew and you should be proud of you know what you've been able to put together how long's the patreon been going now since March 2022 I believe right we're coming up on years on here it actually says established in 2022 which I should have known yeah it's two years which I can't believe I feel like we just started it like not too long ago so I'm very proud of it yeah 100% so we have this happening obviously Mariah loses she's out the puzzle

20:19 Itself looked quite complicated C now can you imagine being in there with that little perplex like square that you have to put these blocks in how do you think you would have done like you know has playing with your kids prepared you for things like this like Puzzles like this if you ever had to go on a show such as the challenge I don't think so because believe it or not my kids puzzles are way easier like in fact most of them you can shove any of them through the circle hole like right but like it did look H like I think it like they said it looks it's deceptively hard you think it's gonna be easy but neice got to the point where she said she was cutting up her hands trying to shove it in and really get like put it through but like and then when it actually she cracked the puzzle and solved it looked super simple again like once it was actually resolved I was like wait a second she just put that there and they kind of just sat in the middle I was like hang on a sec that looked way easy so there was I think narice is really good at seeing the trick that at the end of it's like oh there's that one thing like you just have to turn it this direction instead of that direction and then it all falls into place and she's done that for the tangrams and she kind of finds that like that spark she has a house moment you remember you know House MD yeah

21:39 Like he's like shut up you just gave me the thing and she resolves it you know what I mean like she just has that little that spark and it's fun to watch yeah now we've had many of times in the finals where TJ does decide that he's going to have a no sleeping portion of finale oh you want to go yeah I just want to say that there was an interview that narice did with Entertainment Weekly and she said there was something actually cut out of this elimination so there was an extra point of this elimination where TJ says that there was a clue like in the woods and if you want to you can run and go get the clue for the puzzle and help you in some way to get the puzzle to finish it so when TJ blew the horn she said that Mariah sprinted directly to go get the clue for the puzzle and narice just stood there trying to get the puzzle done fig out but she couldn't figure it out by the time Mariah came back so she kind of panicked she said a little bit that Mariah's gonna easily get this done so narice ran off once Mariah came back narice ran off to then get the clue come to find out she said the clue made no sense was absolutely worthless she came back to the puzzle and Mariah was still working on it so then it just ended up being what it was is just them

22:59 Trying to put the blocks in and then narice found it and surprise production covering up their terrible clue by not putting it into the finale so people wouldn't see how bad the clue actually was out there for them to try and solve those surprises I wanted to talk a little bit Drew about the no sleeping portion of the finale what did you think of this how do you think this Stacks up as a whole compared to some other you know no sleeping portions like for me the one that always stands out is the challenge World Championship where they had to be on the train and they had to stay away from that one that's one that just sort of I always remember but how did you how did you feel like this sort of stacked up as a whole and you know with them having to compete to get the blanket the chair I feel like almost getting the blanket like I don't fully understand it like getting comfortable and being warm like would be the worst thing if you're having to try and stay awake right so I didn't understand if that was a reward or a penalty for trying to stay awake you know winning that yeah so I like the I like that they gave them something to do and it took them hours and then you could sabotage somebody else with it and I think that the I think the pillow is the worst one honestly I mean if I'm putting my head on something really comfortable even if I'm laying on a bed of rocks I'm probably gonna go to sleep if I've been up for like 30 something hours or 20 something hours

24:19 But my th my thing I don't like about this no sleeping portion is just no sleeping for the heck of it I think that if you want that to not sleep make them do a whole bunch of different things that takes them hours to accomplish if you want them to not sleep or make by the time they everybody got it done or say like you can't sleep until everybody gets it done but then again nobody would sabotage then I don't know it was such a weird situation I'm just not a fan of not sleeping for the heck of it I would ra and then make him do a 2,000 meter swim to start off the next day with no nutrition and no and no sleep I just I would rather that them do random different things throughout the night that takes you a stab at TJ's tuna drink do you not count that as nutrition that they had did they have to drink it before they swam I feel like they've made them drink it so many times in the finale I kind of I feel like they were well nutrition on their tjs oh my gosh they were full of fat and protein with that yeah with that like very oily but yeah Chun mayo and beats right like that's heal that's good for a challenge like for like a final I think getting tuna protein like know yeah except the Mayo I think the Mayo is the one that kind

25:40 Throws it all off they were like tuning in beats it's too good H we got throw a Mayo in there Kahuna King copy says the funniest part of the overnight portion was how clean the orange jackets were because nobody wanted to wear the ugly color all season you love the orange color at the beginning of the season I thought that was one of the things you complimented it was nice the gray and orange together but then when you take away they don't want to wear it then you're just wearing gray and wearing gray all season I was like ah just like the pops of orange did kind of add to it but you needed to have the orange there like yeah it almost feels like a prison uniform with it being all gray at one point it was interesting I saw a like I don't watch like you both know I don't I try and not watch a lot of the I guess podcasts that other shows do about the show because I always feel like it gets into my own mind and then I kind of have topics that have already been discussed in my mind but I did watch Michelle's interview this week with another podcast which I wish I could have like remembered their name it was a really fun group that I subscribed to that she just did an interview this I think it was this week with them it was quite a lengthy one the r reality yeah that kind of sounds right where she was she went into talking about how they were doing a lot of their actual confessionals

27:00 After the season was done like that's why they all wore the same clothes the whole time when they were doing it so it was there was a lot of late confessionals being done for episodes that happened way earlier in the in the actual season which was kind of interesting I didn't really pick up on it but I noticed towards the end after watching it they were all wearing the same clothes every single time they were in the confessional Booth unlike other Seasons the time well apparently why they did it was because that way they could they could Franken B it and have if they felt like a certain confessional at the time wasn't good they could at the end and say to Michelle hey can you come back and say this extra bit about that situation so a little bit of behind the scene production magic happening throughout the season as well with why they wore the same clothes the whole time I don't like it I'd rather have them like I'm okay with them having different clothes in the confessions and stuff like that it become became very monotonous I feel like seeing the same like for instance I think Cory was in that orange red leather jacket whatever it was the whole time with a massive high top yeah just not visually appealing seeing them the same way like she had to have her hair in the exact same way I was going to wear that today too I was going to wear my one but I decided not you didn't you didn't want to make me and Drew look bad because

28:20 We wouldn't have been as stylish on the podcast as you yeah so obviously the I found the whole you know portion of staying awake a bit strange but we get to day two day two again this is where they have to now swim to the other side 2,000 met swim it's a decent s and this is where I think Emanuel made up a bucket load of time Drew because you know he was way ahead when it came to getting to the other side Colleen was very impressive from the females like she was struggling in the first day but she was second out of the water followed by Cory getting to the island when they had to go there what did you think of the performance I guess of Emanuel here because a lot of people I'm not the biggest fans Believe It or Not of Emanuel but myself and Cuna have been saying like yes he's not entertaining yes there's some stuff about him that's not great that they've hidden to Hidden from the Casual audience on the show like all of his hookups and things like that but the guy's a legitimate allround competitor at least like we can give him that and he and he showed it here yeah I think especially compared to the group that made it into the final he is one of the better overall competitors I mean we were talking about narice I think narice is a better overall competitor I think I think that I think a lot of the no just on that thought and we can go back to Emanuel on that thought you said Nar

29:40 Is a better overall competitor what does she have to work on coming into the next season what is her weaknesses because everybody's got work on right that's a good question I really wanted to like come up with like I wanted to come up with like something of like where did everybody who didn't win this season lose this season and what they have to work on I almost was thinking about this I really feel like she's really strong of not being a man and this being a man's only or a one person wins the whole season type of season I mean wi Willie does it well with saying that her swimming definitely needs better and also just the mentality of going into the water cuz she did like have to freeze she froze up a little bit when it came to that checkpoint where she was like reading the sign and she started to break down I think that also has to plan in with the mental state of where you're at with not sleeping and everything because she never really showed that kind of behavior over the season until she didn't sleep for like 30 something hours and then she's like having to go back into the water after she already swam 2,000 meters I also think that maybe overall strength too she is one of the smaller competitors and if she could pack on a little bit more muscle it doesn't have to a ton but a little bit more muscle because I think back to her losing

31:00 Paddle brawl against Amber and Amber was really took a to her in that one so I think that could also play into a factor too as well 100% Zoe thank you so much for the 35 South African rand coming in saying this was the season that made me get over the challenge I was bored I just watched Drew's reviews to stay up the date it's sad because I used to love the show and there has been a bit of a sentiment from the general fans that they've not been as high on the show I've kind of been somewhere I feel like I've been in the middle there's been moments of the Season that I have enjoyed there's been moments where I was like yeah this is kind of like watching pain dry on a wall kuna has made a case for why this season is important to breed new challenges for the longevity of the show as a whole drew the last time we spoke you were kind of a little bit low on the season as well now when we look at it in its totality like how do you feel about it I know we're sort of skipping ahead towards the end and everything but we'll come back to the finale and what played out how do you feel now that the season is over like does The Challenge 39 have the potential for people to go back and rewatch it in the future like is this a season where people are going to go back to it maybe eight seasons from now I think there's going to be moments that we look back on and be like oh this is why this or this is why this kind of like with Olivia

32:21 Not choosing narice or orio in that in that I think Conquest really saved this season to being I think I think it's not great overall but I think that Conquest was much more gripping much more exciting this is when like alliances were falling away people were speaking their mind a little bit more people who were just kind of fillers were starting to fall away and it we started getting that actual like people taking sides some but somehow it was too little too late and I think majority of the Season kind of slowed things down quite a bit I think the chaos portion could have been much better I think it could have been played way better by the competitors the problem I think with this season and the competitors mindsets coming into it they play it they play it almost too much like a competition reality show instead of like not as a Funtime reality show or yeah the challenge just doesn't want to show that aspect of it but it's the idea of I mean kylin talked about it in a ton of interviews and I talked to him too I mean he talked about like the way you want to win or how what kind of champion do you want to be and I think too many people just wanted to get to the final wanted to win so they took the I don't want to say easy

33:41 Route but they took the route of we're gonna play underneath the radar I mean Colleen talking about Moline this isn't the mole you know wasn't a thing TJ why did TJ indulge like what does he indulge in that delusion I have no idea but it's like a Manuel also played on the radar Cory played under the radar at one point and it's just like you get lost in the shuffle at that point like when you're not doing anything to not start waves I mean that's what first thing is first is it's not entertaining so I think that's where the mindset is different from the Champions that came in at one point with the giant bananas the Jordans the caras even the Brads I mean they're going to be boisterous they're going to have their moments and they're going to try to back it up when they want to back it up but the way it's kind of played now it's just we're we just want to make it as far as we can and hopefully we can make it to the final I just want to get that win it doesn't matter if the people remember me if fans put an aster by my name if I have that check in my bank account and the records will forever say challenge champion on the bottom of the screen I'm cool with it but then it's like if you don't win you basically were hardly on the season at that point like I think Corey did a great job and he had a storyline once in the final but leading up to it after Big T and Melissa are gone he disappears

35:02 Totally the whole show and it's just what where do you have to I mean granted again he did a great job he made it to the final but you don't really have too much else to hang your hat on in the midd in that giant middle portions of the of the episodes we what I badly want to see in the future is I want to see an elimination where Cory goes up against Josh and they both have to walk over a balance beam I just need to know who's the biggest goof of all Goofs when it comes to the balance beam out there you had some thoughts on the season as a whole as well what would be the moments that would stand out for you because to me I think if we look back at this I do agree with some of what liy said here saying that she agrees with Yuna this is going to be an important season in retrospect like Battle of the seasons Invasion and final Reckoning I think for me personally if I had to like categorize this if kyin becomes a mainstate if Hario continues to come on if narice becomes a big Challenger in the future this will be the season that kind of was the origin story for I feel like those three together for various different reasons probably narice more so than anyone else and before we go on as well I just wanted to say thank you for another $35 from Zoe saying narice was the winner of the Season regardless of who crosses the Finish Line first I refuse to acknowledge Emanuel as a winner Kahuna can you sort of elaborate on I guess

36:22 The season as a whole and what are the things that stood out for you yeah I mean the big the big thing is like I started saying how the're giving praise to production for making a balanced if they were going to do a one win only they made a final that allowed for that to happen and not be completely dominated by a male but on the flip side of that they messed up big time by even having one Champion when narice is your runner up like if this has to put to bed for me the C the conspiracy theory that they allowed bananas to win when Jenny West was supposed to be the solo winner because if they did that for bananas they wasted that opportunity by not doing it for narice this time around like narice they know how would have been did they know how narice would have been received by the fans though do you think that they looked at it thinking to themselves she's going to be a star because to me it sounded like the format was clearly explained from the start I think by the time elimin happen by the time she got to the final and came back mul like Drew praised the fact that it was three eliminations five people but the context of those eliminations as well is that the first one was against her boyfriend and her other thing

37:42 Thrown in by the horrible house that's like theming up against them their backs against the wall and she took them both out right and then the next one she took out the her best friend that betrayed her and made all this happened like the story lines behind it was so huge and I think the edit the production would have been just salivating it like the fact that editors would have had so much to play with in that in that space and they made a star out of her and just didn't Crown her you know what I mean like they did all the work to make it the perfect ending to win and she did in any other season that's not like one winner devil's advocate here though devil advate here though did production screw up or did they do the right thing because now what they've got is a rising star in R someone that got so close that fans are invested seeing coming back and win a title so I feel like they're winning they had to pay her out less than what she they would have had to if she was a champion so they got her for a discount and they've got her coming back in Future Seasons most likely because she hasn't quite gotten there yet and fans are now invested in that story so I feel like it was if they want more champions and they don't have enough women Champions like as I said last night I was just kind of doing fantasy casting in my head

39:02 And the recent women Champions is few and far between and if they're trying to get more Champions to en able to do Champion heavy Seasons having Emmanuel who is not going to be like we mentioned like we'd be fine if he didn't come back even as a champion if they Jenny West him no issues whatsoever right personality wise is also a little bit problematic with the things that he does so there's all that and then you've got narice who could have been amazing like yeah Zoe coming in hot with another 35 South African rand saying this season is the consequence of Big Brother way of playing it's boring I'm not asking for fights just interesting gaml is gameplay is that too much so the Big Brother is it really a big brother thing I would say Survivor had a big influence of this season because Jay and Michelle were kind of running the direction off the season for a long time Drew I think it's just the I think produ is moving that way as well I feel like they want people to be a little bit more Cutthroat in the game I think it's I think it's inexperience honestly like somebody brought a battle of the seasons this is exactly what happened in battle of the seasons which led to the kill card being implemented in two seasons later

40:23 Because and I quote because I will never forget this quot when I watched Battle of the seasons last time but it was Frank who got into a fight with Alton in the gym and Frank basically said this game is run by numbers not personality and that is somebody coming from a real world season not a Big Brother season that is a real world season and then to see how they had to add skulls like drawing skulls not the skull twist but drawing skulls in Rivals 3 The Kill card in 25 to Nerf some of the numbers to try to get it back into you have to play to pay to play kind of vibe and then they saw the game starting to take twist and turns that they started taking their hands off being like okay they can do it themselves now and now we're reintroducing getting back into that cycle of it's too friendly that's why I really like the hopper in USA 2 because everybody's vote meant something even if it's just one vote on one person somebody else could go in and it's not just a complete majority like we saw through this season so I would love for the hopper to make a Resurgence back in some way or another I also think that they really wanted to save a lot of money so the only reason why that they had one winner is to save as much money as possible so they

41:43 Can't split $250,000 amongst two people or that would be way too cheap yeah so they decided that they were gonna make it one winner which I agree with Kahuna here that you got to have representation and it's just ridiculous how I don't know it's just ridiculous cuz there's no real reason why they couldn't have two winners on this season especially with how everything make the make the winnings less like they would these people are so hungry for the title like Cory said he doesn't even care about the money he just wants to win they would have still been able to get a cast even if that winning $50,000 was split even further between two Champions like people would have played like I just don't for like this to get their name and there because now suddenly when emuel comes back he's a champion so he can demand a little bit more of an appearance fee like your value goes up I'm sure when you come back for future Seasons so yeah it makes 100% sense to me and I agree we should have seen two different winners one man one female and that's what I want to see for all future Seasons moving forward as well let's read a couple more the comments ruined it K Maria ruined it for future Seasons by making that win they went it works we can make this happen we can have a female beat all the men Cara Maria is an anomaly like she's not setting the standard for that

43:03 Going forward you know and same as West no and it's still it's still surprising like I mean taking you guys know how big of a fan of kar Maria I am but it's still surprising that she actually won that season out right because she won it on a puzzle that she would normally have probably struggled on won that imagine if Zack won that yeah there would never be a single Champion season ever again like it just would have ruined it yeah it would have killed it then and there yeah willly says some people just aren't mean to be on the challenge call them out willly tell us who they are we need to know who these people are that shouldn't be coming back for future Seasons I want to know Darren says they came in playing like a vets game probably because there were some undercover vets this season that have played a few times that they were kind of like you know your Michelle's and your jays have been nurtured by previous vets that have played the game and they've seen what works so they replicated that type of game and that kind of style in this season Lizzie says yeah they learned from the vacation Alliance where to blame it on Big Brother yeah well the vacation Alliance had some Big Brother people in there but again this is not new like people say this is a big brother thing the vation alliance but kuna I know I mean you're big fan you've watched many seasons who was the back in the day with the kennes of the world and that would always come together with bananas and take out the rest of it and West used to be outside of that and then at

44:23 One point bananas was sitting outside of that there was always been these ET the seasons that have looked out for I don't think it's a new thing it's not big brother bringing it into the show it's every ever it's season one of Survivor Richard Hatch using the word Alliance For the First Time like it's every show like if you're if you're competing against another you need the numbers like that's just the way it kind of works out Zoe thank you so much for the 14 Rand saying wish I was part of this panel next time we'll definitely have to I know Zoe's got some hot takes if she I don't know if people are ready for Zoe to come in here and blow things up when it comes to the challenge but you have to watch the full season Zoe if you want to come on and have a chat you can't just be watching angel cakes reviews because otherwise you'll have the same thoughts that angel cake has so you've got to commit to a season you can come is that so bad that's not bad it's not bad but we don't need we don't need two angel cakes on the channel is what I'm trying to say we need Zoe to be watching a whole season I will say that Kun is right it's been like this for a long time like these Pockets I mean Kenny made it to seven finals out of eight seasons that he so it was like whenever he was on a season more than likely he was going to make it to the final it's everything that I think surrounding it's the personalities that surrounded everything so I think that's where the difference is it's not like there was parties there was fun there was things to be had there was

45:43 The game was being played there was gripping I mean the difference is that I'm I've been watching through some of the seasons and people are just not worried about going into elimination and I think that's the that's the difference is that these people felt the these people came into the game pretty much unproven besides like aaso who already went into to like a whole bunch and beat champions from different seasons and stuff but a lot of these players had not even been into more than one elimination and that's where the frustration is that so many people walked into the final without seeing an elimination and they're like what are we what does this prove to us as the audience that what you can make it into a final playing against people that barely know how the game is being played it's kind of weird that's why Chris Underwood for me is like a more satisfying win seeing the way he won in USA 2 like I'd love to see Chris Underwood play again and if you had to compare him against Emanuel the two latest male Champions he's really the new Champion like that we all deserve and the challenge more so than Emanuel it downplays the social aspect though right like people say like I know Challengers say that if they can get to the finals without seeing an elimination they call it the perfect game like to say that you're not going to the sand downplays the side that you played the strategy the politics

47:03 The social better that you didn't have to go down in the sand like I think Emanuel didn't do anything and we look at it and go but he looked at the he didn't come in with any vacation Alliance he didn't have these strong people in his pocket but he looked at the field and went I see where the I'm looking at the right in the wall I'm looking at Jay and Michelle and I think I want to align with them that's the group that I'm going to he did the exact same thing he did the exact same thing the first season he played he just latched on to the power Alliance and it got him very far in the game with Tor you know so why change it like he by one yeah was he the last person eliminated in this that first season I feel like he was eliminated just before the finale so like why change the game up too much if it worked for you the first time but I agree with you kuna like I've always been of the opinion that you can get to the end without being thrown an elimination win the season and I could still respect you based of the fact that you've had a great social and strategic game I don't need to see people going into the elimination but as a fan what do I like seeing more I like seeing people go elimination I like seeing them fight their way to the top let's talk a little bit about the repel section of this finale you know a lot of meltdowns here Drew like first we had the burner show and I felt for a big portion of this finale this was burnner finale like we would

48:24 Production team felt like way they felt Drew I feel like production felt they had to suffer through Berna in the finale so they had to make us suffer through her in the finale as well seeing every single breakdown and meltdown that she had out there and really just struggling to drink this drink that she's already had to down more than once so I rewatched the episode this afternoon and they lingered hard on her complaining about this drink to the point where I was like okay they are tired of her and that you can see it in the edit where they're like we're done with done with BNA we're going to make her the comic relief of this she's not going to win she gets fifth place we're just going to play this up like we're just going to filled and I felt it when I was rewatching I was like man this seems like it's going on for a long time and it was because they were just they were making it the way it was so I was like yo Corey I feel like I want to give him the benefit of the doubt that it was based on sleep I know that he has a Heights but I mean this dude was strapped on a windmill on a side of a truck that I feel is way like really high up like that was a slant is the cliff whereas that is your falling face first trying to throw rings I felt like that was way more difficult I thought the we had so many high challenges what about the one where they had that the platform that kept moving and then

49:44 They had to like try and stay up on the platform and they had the one I feel like him going straight down would have been I think I just think it was the sleep I think it was the sleep but it does not play well into being like I'm a finalist I want to become a champion and if he were to have been come a oh sorry if I were to become a champion then it's like he h people would be bringing up those clips being like this is our new champion and it's him being like TJ will you save me in the middle of the thing or him not being able to get the balance beam across like that's the that's the clip they're going to show of him if he were to have won and it's sad that happened but at the same like that happened and we've really never seen anything like this kind of stuff from a group of finalists because I mean this is one of the first times since like 27 that we've had all finalists that had never been to a final or a champion an ex- Champion beyond the show so it's like it's rough we're not used to seeing so many new players be shaken in the knees at random stuff during a final yeah during a final for sure I looked at that like I think it's the going face first like I wouldn't I hope I wouldn't have cried like Cory but that's where probably where I would have been out completely I'm like

51:05 You want me to run down like facing down I can't even go back backwards I have to face I'm out like I'm good I'm good it's like Elise says it was repelling down a hill if they' repell down a building straight down that's a different thing which they've done either way man like my is sweaty yeah I think I could throw myself into any of those things that the eating stuff is what I've said it for a long time like I'd do it but I would be kicking and screaming through it I don't know if I could I don't think anybody could be burner like not even me how they did emphasize burner crying soing the whole way through Corey had that big moment like obviously a big fear for him and but they played up on it narice you mentioned that she froze up in the water but her thing was I might as well conquer another fear of mine I guess then and went straight into like that is the difference between what is going to make narice the superstar that they're going to build the show around and make you know and add to Future Seasons versus burner who cried herself out at any future appearances I think yeah I'd be very surprised to see burner come back delor says TJ was nice not sure why when he has been worse to others like yeah TJ's

52:25 Been very wasn't that nice like come on man he like pushed him on the back he did he did like come on like don't be a [ __ ] that's what he was saying he was like yeah but I do feel like there was a tone there that he had where he was kind of like come on man like you can do it you don't want to go out this way like and we've seen it a bit this season Drew like at times TJ's been different this season with these new contenders like he's he has been Kinder in some ways like yes he's still old TJ he still loves he still hates quitting but you know we're see a bit of a different side here of TJ a more mature side of him almost yeah I wonder if doing so many of the spin-offs with so many new people that he kind of I don't know feels a little bit like it's not the same faces over and over and over again to where he has this like you can tell like he has this rapport with them he can say whatever and they would get his jokes or understand where he's coming from like doing so many of the spin-offs World Championships USA 2 and now coming yeah so it's like okay well I'm just gonna come in like this like a like a this TJ where I'm excited and I'm like the new uncle that wants like just wants everybody to do well like I felt like he was more of like a soccer coach in the checkpoint one of chaos where he was telling everybody like hurry up run go faster it's like I just felt like he was like a soccer coach

53:45 More than a host of anything so it was it was weird L he saying it's politically correct TJ as long as he doesn't turn into Jeff probes 2.0 I'm good like you know like as long as he doesn't go like full talk show host on the challenge cuz that just wouldn't fly for me like I feel like he's still got the right balance there of mean TJ that would laugh at them whenever they fail yeah I don't think TJ's got it in him to be at that level but yeah fun challenge this repel obviously you know emanuel's down there first everybody ends up going down there they then have to go and do the tangram puzzle which Emanuel smokes and I was quite shocked at this point kuna we've been talking about narice being very good these types of puzzles and things like that but she did end up timing out both her and Cory timed out on this puzzle were you shocked to see her sort of In This Moment not get it and do you think it was just the case of this is the first time she's running a final the pressure was on she hasn't slept you know she's just been an elimination it all just came down to that in the moment yeah I think that's you nailed it I was shocked because I thought she would nail it but when you look at the context of what she's actually been through like it's completely understandable like they haven't slept for 36 hours they're running nonstop like they're just completely at 11 like for ages you know like it's just so

55:05 Hard to concentrate and focus and it's not to take away from them but to really praise the ones that can do it well considering you know yeah 100% and they only have 15 minutes I believe in the puzzle until time out so I felt like that was really quick yeah and that seems like a new thing where they do the Timeout on the puzzles cuz there's been other finals where you couldn't time out you have to just stay there I mean that's literally why people like well the challenge here is a one that's why so many people quit do you think they learned from that maybe Drew I think they did learn from that I think hearing the backlash on that as well but I also think that they knew I think they all they knew the design of this last portion of the final the conquest portion of this final where they have to do like five checkpoints they wanted it closer than ever before like they knew they were going to have to get through these next two and then they just wanted them to get as they wanted it to be a close Race by the end of it I they didn't want this like they didn't want what happened in double agents because I think in this Final in particular it would have been way too obvious if somebody won by over an hour and was just sitting around while everybody else is still like only two flags deep in the last checkpoint and a Manuel like running

56:26 Before two people even show up so I think they wanted that three flags four Flags there's three people tied up let's hurry it up this could be a nailbiter kind of vibe so I think that's why they wanted to Timeout on the first checkpoint just to keep everybody rolling like we want to keep everybody in the line of sight we want to keep everybody we want to keep this close for TV's sake that this seemed to me to be like and I'd be interested in your take on this Drew because I've been saying this to kuna quite a bit throughout the season I feel like production has continued to up their game this season like it felt like the show was put together a lot better compared to some of the previous Seasons that we've seen granted we've seen a lot of off sort of you know seasons on Paramount and some other Seasons that have sort of made its way all stars and things like that but the finale the way they structured it again I felt like this was one of the better put together finales that they've had in a long time because they did accomplish that goal they did get everybody together at that checkpoint where everybody had to do different things and at one point everybody was on four out of five of the OB completed within that last one so I really can see the quality in the production continuing to sort of Rise every season like I feel like that's one thing I always say about the challenge like the challenge unlike Survivor I see incremental improvements season in and season out they're maybe not getting it right with the casting all of the time but how they put the show together

57:46 I've got a real appreciation for that if I compare it to another show that has been one of my favorite shows for a very long time that I just don't think is keeping up with the pace do you get that same feeling from the season at least if you take the cast out of it like you could have put any other cast into the season and the structure the format how they've put things together especially in this finale if you compare it to other finales I felt like it was like we're not coming into this finale and questioning anything like we've done with some of the other finales where things are questionable like I feel like I feel happy maybe not about who won but they deserved it 100% And we can't dispute it yeah this is one of the only finals because I read Manuel's Entertainment Weekly interview and he said that there was basically nothing really cut out of this what was shown on the actual like there was no cutout checkpoints everything was pretty much how it was and I mean to me that's kind of wild because normally the finals have so much content that they have to cut out something to maybe make the narrative feel more focused but for this one he said that nothing was cut out besides what narice said about the one elimination part that made that didn't do anything to change the outcome of it but to me I think that plays into a factor that maybe they paired down a ton being like we can make something work within this structure I think

59:06 That the games were played out solidly I think the eliminations were just way too puzzle heavy but that's my personal preference on it but I do agree that I think they had more of their ducks in a row moving forward and there was not so many faux Paws that I could that I could see as maybe a lot more controversial or questionable and maybe that's another reason why this isn't as thrilling or exciting of a season because there's not a whole lot to like get up in arms about besides why is the cast playing this way it's kind of boring why are they just not doing anything kind of vibe rather than there being too much stuff going on and now there's questionable situations going on so I can understand where that's coming from I just I agree I think the conquest portion saved this but if I could go back because the chaos portion doesn't make sense with the whole to be a champ you have to beat a champ with a chaos portion in the middle somebody a ton of people in the Discord as well as on my some of my reviews and Recaps said the chaos portion should have been at the end because then you have to like get through some of the sections with the Champions at a while and then if you win maybe you get immunity for a little while and then maybe there's a Purge at the end once everybody has gone through

1:00:27 A gallon of Champs which I think would really exciting one of the things I mentioned last week is that in the finale I would have loved for them to have had some champions in the finale well even if it's Champions that they've used before who cares bring K Maria back bring C back in the finale you know and for both eliminations have people go up against the champion or something like that or to get past the last checkpoint to run to the Finish Line you have to get through a champion or something like that and youat them like you know it's kind of like they're almost like Gladiators like preventing them from getting into that final leg and running to the Finish just to play a little bit more with the theme because I like the IDE bringing Champions into the season at least you know what I didn't what I was questioning is that the Purge section of the conquest portion was a huge factor in what I think is a conquest portion I'm actually surprised that didn't happen whatsoever like if you got came last two a certain checkpoint you're just automatically purged kind of like what happened in USA 2 with like Tori and fessel I think that would have been a lot more interesting to where once you get to the conquest the final like kind of like what the eliminations were it was three people and you could have had just three people doing the five checkpoints or the three checkpoints and then that would been you just have two checkpoints one

1:01:47 Berno would have been purged in the first puzzle and then somebody else then I guess I guess Corey or narice would have been purged on the second one now that I'm thinking about it I was like oh Colleen got their second so that would have been I think that would have been super interesting to like put that into the fold with the conquest portion but I don't know I guess it's fine they did that Chris in one of the seasons remember I just remember bananas had to play cards like they got bananas to be the champion that you go against in the final and they just like did high card or something yeah Vendetta was ridiculous vettas yeah why do I not i' like put it behind me or something yeah now I do remember it because nobody screwed over but cam on that one because Melissa she was the only one to lose to Melissa and Melissa made her dig a log and that basically purg her from the whole season everybody else was like cool we're good let's just run yeah lovable Nikki says Justin boo did not have money for Champs in the final pava girl says n is definitely the true new champion and this is me who hate people dismissing survival winners but yeah we only had one survival winner in the season Michelle who still trying to find her feet like when it comes to the show Liss

1:03:07 Is saying the only interesting part of Manual's appearance on the official was that narice had three flags and Cory was stuck on the balance beam before starting the fifth when Emanuel made the finishing Sprint so they made it look like all of them were on four when he left to make it look a little bit closer which is a shame cu thought that it was actually that close but you could kind of understand they're trying to keep the drama high from a TV show perspective so maybe a little bit of edit editing magic that went into that we didn't talk too much about the answer key puzzle where they had to go into the water dive underneath one thing that I did note on that kuna is that the names that they had to put on the board were all Champions which was pretty cool so all previous challenge Champions that they had to have in a specific order would this have been the one for you K like if you could choose to go out there and do the challenge which you have enjoyed jumping down there and showing off your scuba skills do you have similar scuba skills to colen like I mean I might have I'm not Colleen but I might be maybe slightly better than Nelly yeah I coming for Nelly's title is she trying to take Nelly's title to become scuba colen scuba colen hey she did well man she did really well not in the actual thing that was like that was the weakest VI but the scuba diving she didn't lie about that's for sure yeah the final yeah you go ahead did you get the did

1:04:27 You get like the way everybody was set up like the different order of everybody no I didn't like in the order that they won the columns were alternating women man women man women man and then it was from earliest they won to the latest or the most recent so with like Veronica winning three seven and eight Sarah Grayson winning seven Jody winning 11 and 13 Paula winning 2 and 24 Sarah rice winning 26 and 28 and then Amber was last on that on that specific row so it was it was highest to most recent nailed then he knew that for sure yeah IIs Champions I'm surprised that n re and Cory didn't just go that they couldn't figure out that pattern and just started putting them on because they're probably the two biggest fans of this show this season that was still in the final right I think Corey said something but it was like after he already said everything thing up and was like oh this is the order that they won and then but I mean it's difficult you still have to remember like the colors I guess Dre level detail that's there's very few people in the world that would just pick that up instantly especially in a final yeah well it was when I first was watching it Corey said something and I'm like I don't think that's right in the order that they want it because I was reading it from like straight across

1:05:48 But then when I was looking at it down I was like oh that's how it was so I had to look at it like a little bit figured it out so yeah I like it because again it just shows that if you're a big fan of the show and if you can figure out the pattern then maybe there's something there that you could but like you said also the colors would have mattered so if there's people who've won more than once then they could have still gotten that wrong but yeah really good inside information in regards to that they do end up going to the final obstacle which is kind of the conquest elimination setup that we had there something that narice felt very comfortable with going there you know Emanuel took a long time into sodoku is the one that seemed to be a big stumbling block for a lot of them and I will admit like I never play Soko at all like if I was to go into a show like this i' I'd be screwed I'd be like burner I would have to cheat I would have to look at someone else's soku to be able to put them together and then move on because I think I'd get pretty lost in this it seemed to be the most difficult one where a lot of people were struggling they had smash barrels the circle ring puzzle that they had to do and then the balancing one that they had to do there Drew what did you think of the way that they put this together did you like it was there anything that sort of stood out for you what would have been your biggest struggle if you were out there for me I think it would have been soku I think it's the two hardest ones I think were the stacking and sidoku I think the stacking one could have got me impatient I've

1:07:08 Been doing sidoku more recently and I've actually been really enjoying it but tell me ask me to do one after 36 hours of being awake and running miles and swimming miles I don't know if I'd have the mental capacity maybe but I think the stacking one would been frustrating I just like how all of them have like a puzzle element until you get to smashing a barrel I mean you're just smashing that thing just to smash it as her pointy there's no puzzle to that let's be real no would be fun yeah just stand on jump on it would have been faster JG S3 mm is asking are we just gonna skip over ber copying Ken soku I applaud her for doing it I think it was a great move like all yeah it's onen to flip it over like she didn't do what C and the rest of the Vets would have done in that moment and she didn't flip it over right all fair what do you think I think it's probably the best move Berna made the whole finale Drew and she didn't go to math school she didn't go to math school which is wild how she was able to get that 102 really quickly after getting that soku one but yeah so Emanuel I talked to Emanuel and he said that there was indeed copying but production

1:08:28 Was trying to make everybody keep their eyes on their own boards but he said indeed people were looking and he basically said that Burna was did copy I mean her explanation of being like I just did this I just did the squares and I did I was like okay first of all no just walk away like just say yeah whatever just walk don't even talk about it but it was it was rough and then yeah because she got there she looked at the math one with the circles and said no thank you somehow got sidoku and then ran right back over but everybody was yelling 102 randomly when everybody was walking up too so I don't know if people just overheard and knew exactly where their the board was but I don't think Colleen erased her answer at the Circle one either so I wouldn't be surprised if Berna was looking at everybody's I mean she wasen she was gone she was gone anyways she was done she was she loveable licky we've got you don't worry we love kefla as well there's going to be no slander hopefully he doesn't go up against my girl K Maria and we're in a good place you know unless I may have to throw a couple of Jabs here and there if he does decide to go that direction but ly lissy is saying here that someone inputed the sodoku puzzle into some program and it said it was invalid not

1:09:49 Surprising so I so that's the thing is like I want I want I want to get the clean version because there was a point where during the Olivia narice and james' puzzle like well their elimination that narice they showed nar's board where she had to put all the order of the eliminated contestants and they showed her board at one point and then she said check and then production gave her a thumbs up and people put that board of course online and was like oh she didn't have the right answers and then narice came back and said did have the right answers that was on a check and the producer said no so I swapped them real quickly and they said yes so I don't know if they misused one of the production thing or they didn't catch it I it's difficult I just don't understand why if you're producing a TV show you wouldn't just get a clean thing of the board just so you can have it up there but then but then again I found something weird sorry I'm rambling but I found something weird you know the stacking one yeah well there was a point where Emanuel was doing it they were showing a Manuel stacking it and then they showed GoPro footage they said a Manuel a Manuel's Cam and the blocks dropped but it was Mar's hands that they showed

1:11:09 So they showed nissa's GoPro footage clearly her GoPro footage and they just said it was Emmanuel's cam for some reason and then they kept SW swapping back from the zoomed out version of a Manuel trying to do it they zoomed into his GoPro footage which was n's and then swap back out to show him dropping it again which is just odd it was weird I to be honest with you I'm I've got less of a like it's obviously people like yourself who are like truly you're looking out for those small things within a show that you're going to pick it up and it's because literally this is your job to talk about the show right you've got a Channel about it so you're going to pick it up but the Casual fan wouldn't have noticed it and I can understand people can go two ways about this but having spend some time with L who's the producer for Survivor South Africa he has told me in confidence before and he said this is well known in any case in other shows as well is that sometimes when someone finds an idol on Survivor the camera people aren't there when it happens because they've only got x amount of camera people so they have to be like we need to actually get this on camera and you now need to go and find the actual Idol and we need to film it right so that's why sometimes it may look weird for you where people are like how did they know it's exactly there that must be planted for them it's because they have to actually redo the shoot if there wasn't a camera person there so to me this is kind of almost like maybe they just needed something there and they didn't have great GoPro footage from his camera for any reason they need

1:12:29 To show the blocks but I agree it's things that they do yeah exactly it's unnecessary it's just like just show them dropping it once and then finds a two second clip of something else happening or fit in Corey looking at the balance beam again or Burna looking balance beam by the way look so much harder than what you would think like you know normally I think it's because of how small those like mhm blocks were that they were putting up or the little circular blocks that they had like it for some other reason just couldn't stick and they had a really difficult time with getting it done it was almost as hard as a sodoko which I normally am pretty good at balancing stuff so I think that would have been something I would have thought i' would be good at but if I was struggling on that and then knew I had to go do soku next it would have really killed my vibe if I was running in the final for this so yeah very interesting to see it play out in the way that it did but ultimately you know they do end up getting with a manual going out of their first we spoke about Cory and the balancing beam quite a bit narice wers of get out of there in second place and we have a run to the Finish ultimately with Cory and maybe Colleen being the closest going into third place but they weren't as close as you would have thought again I think there was a bit of editing magic Happening Here with as soon as Cory started running we had Berner saying run Colleen he's right behind you but I think if they were really that close

1:13:49 Cory probably would have caught her on the run because he seemed to be a little bit of a better Runner than Colleen but Colleen does get third place here and I will say this like there's a lot of thoughts about Emanuel winning this season as a whole but you know him talking a bit about like his grandparents not being able to afford a heater and they do come from a very poor background I am happy for him I'm actually happy for him and his family that he did win the money that money is going to go back there and hopefully help their lives a b as well so you know again a bit of sweet moment to see him win the season because not the most aining I would have loved to have seen n win the season but overall I guess from a humanitarian standpoint Kahuna we can be glad for Emanuel in the sense that it's going to a good place hopefully back home in Romania it's such a Bittersweet conflicting thing isn't it like it couldn't have happened to a better person really but we do know that of all the people in the show the money is going to go the furthest and make the biggest difference to the most people like it's huge for him and even like I was I was interested to see like even Colleen getting 30k was like this is the most money I've ever seen in my life I was like what do they pay in Germany like for you know a season of the mole or something if you are the mole like that was just fascinating to hear that as well so as far as you know I would have Lov nce to

1:15:09 Win emanuel's a douchebag but he proved that he's competent and I am happy from a humanitarian point of view that his mom's going to get to retire and he's going to be able to buy heers for his like that's huge like it's going to be absolutely life forone like that I do like that yeah I think it's the basics that sometimes we forget living in a living in a like we live in good countries like you know America is a very like it's got its problems I'm sure like Australia's got its own problems as well but we're very like fortunate compared to the background that he comes from in Romania and they've got very different struggles there so sometimes you just forget about this and I think in the bigger scheme bigger than the game itself I really hope he does follow through with what he said he was going to do and he puts that money to good use Darren saying plus his mom is working in England now not living in Romania so that school now or hopefully she's retired hopefully he does retire her Zoe comes in with the 35 South African rand again saying for the record I watched the whole season but Drew's reviews was more interesting the comment sections are on fire why am I still awake at quarter 3 in the morning I don't know Zoe why are you awake we love to have you here and thank you for the donation as well let's see a few more of the comments coming here Darren say I heard production was yelling at them they couldn't cheat I'm not surprised because production was yelling at them not to do

1:16:29 A stalemate set it up so they can't don't yell at them make a make a elimination with like make it so they can't cheat like what are you talking about don't bend the rules you got to follow the rules list say drew did you fall asleep halfway through the interview with I'm assuming Emanuel no I did not but it was he was I tried to make it more jokey because I knew he was going to talk to like the official podast podcast and everything so I was trying to make it more jokey I asked him why he dabbed during the final did you get him to smile and a few times did you crack him I did why did he dab he said that he the dab is long gone he knows that's not the he's a dancer but he said that he did it more because of it's you're supposed to be annoying to people you know like when you dab it's supposed to be annoying so he was trying to get into the head space of everybody else by dabbing on him so I was just like all right that's fine like okay I think like my theory better I like my theory this is new in Romania this is this is the trend right now all the kids in Romania dabbing I was testing that theory to see like but yeah let's see what else people are saying here Cory wasn't in any of the colen running shots yeah definitely I think they Tred to make it look closer than what it was at Le said he did need the money even though he is

1:17:49 An F boy and that is the thing that h a bit I kind of wish and again I think maybe they did it because they thought they were doing Emanuel a solid with his girlfriend but I kind of wish that they just showed us more of that and just lean into the villain Arc that is Emanuel because this is literally what made other players that have become Champions and legends in the game Big them cheating on partners and things like that is part of the backstory of other challenge Champions as well why does he get special treatment here Drew when it comes to it so I had a theory going into when it was like late cuz I do the you know I do the fantasy points for the for the for our Trio but also the patreon I run a whole season long Fantasy game and there was a point where I was going through some of the stuff and I was like wow he has no like make out points he has no kiss points he has because I was just like surprised because there was that was a whole big point in one of the episodes was just him cheating and being with like three other women outside of his girlfriend and even towards the end I was like it hit me then because it was like the episode right before the final like before episode 18 and I just was thinking I was like I wonder if a Manuel wins and my theory is that if he wins they were trying to save not only him but like the brand because if he's the winner

1:19:09 They don't want people going back and being like oh look at him going into the bathroom with Colleen and then he's over here like in Olivia's bed or him like gyrating on people but he has a girlfriend back home like they don't want all that being what circulates for like four or five episodes and then him being known as oh great the cheater won I mean if you say it we acknowledged it but we didn't have any proof of it and Colleen can say something in the confessionals but we're not going to show anything even though leading up to this whole season they've always shown even if they can't show footage of like the surveillances in the room if somebody goes into the bathroom they normally show like a camera guy like standing outside waiting for somebody to walk out or do anything like that so I just Paramount influence maybe now I wonder if they're going to Jenny West him then they don't give him the story lines to build up a even a villain character even a douchebag character that's going to have storylines that like is memorable like you said Chris if they're going to Jenny West him then just give him nothing I think he's coming back I don't think I'll put it out there I don't think they're going to Jenny West him I think he's coming back even at the end of it where they had these are the champions and then they suddenly put his face the Champions on there is them acknowledging he is now a legitimate Champion he's in an exclusive Club so and they're

1:20:30 Kind of desperate for people to come back and play in the all Champion season at some point like so I don't know if they can just be like we're not going to call them I think they'll call Jenny West as well by the way if they did do a Champions season like I just think that you can have a couple of Duds in there will be enough big characters in a Champions season or a Champions versus contenders season where it wouldn't matter if he's not the most entertaining person coming back for one of those Seasons but I do think in a season like that he's going to find a t like maybe he'll do the exact same thing he'll just get friends with a couple of people that'll keep him safe he just needs to get one round away from being in a final and then who knows what happens but I don't know if he'll win a final against some real heavy HS what's your thoughts on it do you think he's got longevity in the game Drew I think that out of everybody besides like narice out of the finalists that were there at least at the end I think to secure at least a few call backs maybe one or two like solid callbacks you had to win I think that you had to win it helps that a Manuel was almost made a final his first season that he's so close with like the Tor and the Devin and worked really closely with those players thata the Casey that I mean if they were on there they would pull for him to be on there and he even yeah he was on rer dies as well so I mean he has

1:21:50 Some pull there but out of everybody I feel like they besides narice they had to win I think Cory has a good storyline and that he had a good storyline in the final that they would at least call him back one at least one more time to give him another shot but it was it's tough to like look back and be like who stood out enough to really Propel themselves to make another run at this and I think aaso for sure kyin for sure and then there was a couple of people that maybe Zara I think Raven had a really good storyline if they if they want to come back but Michelle Jay could also want to come back just so people could like hate on him a little bit more because I mean you know who I want to come back effect I want I want ID to come back just to see Shantel meltdown when he gets another call back because we both know Chantel does not like Ed and I'm like both me and have been like I'll have him back on the show I think he's harmless to a degree I know he went off at the fans but I just think everybody else is yeah it's a stretch I think if they can get other Champions and Veterans I think they would ask them to be back before anybody else on here but it's I can't see a straight through line for some of these players to come back onto the show possibly Kieran

1:23:10 Has potential I think the Resurgence even though it was early we had a brief flash of Big T and Melissa they had a big story line early even though they went out like they were they were great on TV again like they were huge I think they outside of that but that's enough right are many seasons where we get plenty of f they just disappear we never see them again there's Seasons where players are one and done all the time like we don't need to have an entire cast of you know nonm people like this happens like as long as they've got I think them looking at this season and going Nar SAS kyin if we can get a raven a Zaza and evil J the evil Olivia storyline with narice like they've got stuff here like there's enough there for them to go we and then a new Champion which we can always bring back who won't feature heavily in story lines but he's a champion so like there's stuff out of this that they can really pull for future Seasons totally agree I wanted to bring up this comment belov Nikki I'm not condoning the che side of things but what I will say is that it's funny that the one that wants the soury content on the show when I've never like Drew knows me

1:24:30 Well enough to know that's not what I watch for I watch for the competition I watch for the backstabbing betrayal but what I'm saying is one of the things I've always appreciated about the challenge is the authenticity of it and the rawness of the show which I feel like they've taken away by not showing it if that makes sense so that's kind of what I'm advocating for more so than the cheating itself if that makes sense but yeah you know Drew I don't know if I'm putting you on a spot here do you have the update on where we are sitting on the draft points for the trial or should we you know wait on that have you done any numbers in regards to the trios sort of and what happened because obviously I'm there's a lot of people who watch the draft and with that smile I'm sort of wondering what happened in the finale now and do you have like an update can we reveal anything in regards to that I mean if you want to I mean I feel like with you being like reluctant to do it we definitely should do it because that means that Chantel I might have actually G on to win this season so this fantasy stuff did not help me at all like it didn't help me like this season I actually think that this was the worst season ever especially when comparatively with the fantasy points yeah this is rough this is a rough one I basically came in I'm third place let's just get it let's get the facts straight I got third place out of us three I came in with only a Manuel Casey

1:25:50 Was the only person to score me points for the sabotages darell and Laurel lost so they both got like single digit points basically but I had a Manuel who had the lowest amount of confessionals as my last place person last standing member and I only got even though he won even though he won and you had the winner in your in your draft pick yeah and it was everybody else I mean Raven was my I had Melissa and Raven score higher than him for majority of the season and they both eliminated way before wow I ended the season with 895 points basically so I you needed mom points if that if you build in a stat for Mom professionals or something you would have destroyed them Drew parents I had I had aoff and Melissa I would have had the parent points that'll be another one that'll be another one I guess it's just between Chantel and Chris and it was way closer than so remember I had less than 9 00 points you and Chantel had both over 12200 Points each wow yeah so I guess I'll just reveal the winner and that Winner Is You Chris you won points represent yeah

1:27:10 You had Burna Colleen Jay and yeah that was it Colleen Burna Jay Mariah as well all make the final and then Jay and both left but you had aaso at one point Big T until C until Casey my person took all of their points you had James who was just sitting around getting all the points just chilling out for the longest time but you won you got 1283 points you basically got almost 400 points over that's insane I honestly as the season went on I did not expect but who was the MVP was it burner like I feel like burner must have gotten a lot of points for meltdowns and things like that who got me the most points your most points with everybody who is left in the game was Burna at 214 but if you want your person who got you the most points ever on your team was Jay with 248 total points it's kind of weird where at one point in the season I think I told Kahuna I'm like I kind of don't want to shout for my team but I want to shout for my team because like I've got some of the most dislikable people in my team but a win is a win no matter what so will take it thank you to everybody in the life that congratulated me coming James dick is the MVP of christas

1:28:31 I just noticed so you know how Jay wasn't even in last episode in episode 19 and I told you he got 248 points Jay ended with our point system Jay ended with more points than a Manuel did and he got the bonuses for winning and he got 50 he got 50 points for winning as our bonus and he still didn't win get as many points as Jay who wasn't even in the last episode Chantel was close though Shantel got a shout out to sh who got 1241 points so only 42 points behind you away narice was the highest scoring person out of everybody getting 289 total points first pick incredible she also had CT and Tory who got major points and then Corey L she also had she also had Michelle Zara kylin she had a killer team Brad only got her four points so Brad was dud but yeah you guys were really close I was absolutely terrible I was terrible I'm super happy is this two wins in a row for me because I won World Championship no not world championship USA 2 and then I think a one world championship as well is this three in a row it's possibly three in a row that's insane

1:29:52 I did not I did not expect that so that would make us a lot more we need to keep track of how many we've won across the board I feel like Drew might still be in the lead overall but I feel like I've closed the Gap somewhat now I don't know I will say that this is besides season 37 I won 38 pretty handedly I will say I had to I basically had to like sell all my morals down the river and pick Tori and Deon at one point but hey I you won two allar seasons you won two Allstar Seasons you won 38 so that's at least three that you've won and then I've won three now so we may be 3 three I'm not too sure to be honest I've kind of lost track a little bit she tells had a while since she's won one so I know she was very desperate she won she won the first all stars that we ever did you didn't partake in that one so yeah it's going to be SP I feel like you and I are going to have massive targets and a going into the next Trio Fantasy Draft that we're going to be doing so luckily we've decided luckily we've decided that sabotages is no longer a thing moving forward did we did we every time come in it's always a sabotage what's the sabotage I'm like why does there have to be one and you and Chantel are like let's just come up with one on the spot and I'm like what are we talking about I want rules

1:31:12 I want structure yeah let see that one already yeah we have we have done Allstar four draft over a year ago dur made a to maybe do a redraw of it so it's up on the cards I think we're going to do two timelines I think we're going to do two timelines of the pre before anything was revealed and then another timeline if I'm sure we're going to pick a lot of the same players because what would have changed during that time but I think I think we're GNA try to do two timelines but Laurel lost to Cara lost to Michelle that might influence like true it doesn't influence my mind said that was a fluke that was a fluke karia is going to come and eat on All Star 4 like and that's why I don't want to do it again because I had I had I feel like I had a pretty stacked team but I'm I'm a team player you know so we could definitely look at it again if you redraw St for you better still take Jay Chris yeah so I had Jay I think I took some risks on that one which was fun what video is the All Star for draft I don't think I even saw the cast yet so the All Star for draft we did before the cast actually played the game which is why we did it so we did it just as we heard who was going to be in the cast like the spoilers came out for the cast and we did a draft immediately so we

1:32:32 Probably will do like a pre-season draft and then an after season draft now that it has taken place but we'll talk about that a little bit more in the future L licky is questioning Chris's advice to me before we sort of wrap things up here Drew I'm kind of interested what's the news on the streets of the challenge when it comes to the next season 4 they've had some time now to prepare for this season they've saved budget for this season we all have been thinking that maybe it's going to be an all Champion season or Champions versus New Generation or something like that do you have any te in regards to this do you know what's happening where we're sitting I've SE I've seen a lot of random chatter I haven't D Dove too deep into it of course when availability calls go out they just do a blanket one of just trying to get everybody out there like just a ton of calls out there so early on it was like Hey if you aren't excited about the season 39 cast well guess what a lot of them got phone calls and so a lot of them could be showing back up I've also heard that there's like maybe Emily scrum was interested in doing it and they called her and she kind of said that she was kind of interested I also heard that Leroy could maybe he got revitalized after playing Allstars 4 and maybe he's possibly

1:33:52 In the mix too as well Tony Reigns apparently is I've heard is in the talks Tony was a new one that was kind of thrown out there as well I've heard the latest I've heard and I haven't been keeping up with it but the latest I heard was that it could be like a champ is paired up with a non winner but there's no I've heard there's no rookies no firsttime players going to be on it and it could be a champion paired up with [Music] a player that hasn't won so hey we maybe that could be car and Paulie coming on here and maybe pairing up together we could do we I'd love to see Cara and Paulie both back on the show just not pair it up together because I feel like that would paint such a Target on their back I'd rather have them both paid up with someone else like get po want that they would probably they would probably say we got to split up and Conquer but yeah I don't know I it would it would be very interesting to see how that would play out and see the hierarchy of like how what certain winners will get which play but I also feel like we kind of saw some of that with like double agents a little bit with how those pairs were kind of set up with everybody so I don't know we'll see how that all plays out but that's all I've that's all I've heard and I really haven't delved too deep into it because I'm just so blood

1:35:12 Money 47 is saying carar and Tori needs to be on the same season so far I believe the only Champions that have been confirmed is Casey or that's sounds like it's almost confirmed as Casey Laurel and Tory deal are the for the females are the ones that are sort of being mentioned K Maria is not on there and I wonder if some of that's got to do with the fact that I don't think K Maria comes back for season 40 if Paulie doesn't come back like I think they were cool because they both had separate Seasons that they could play in the last year but I still think K Maria wants to see Paulie back on the main show as well so and I'm not against it like I feel like Paulie had remp she can't stand on 40 like I think that's true but if she's going to stand on like has to be 40 like that's a if they're trying to go big Paul's not a champion like he's not and if that's no but if it's Champion versus I know but and he's been out of the spotlight for a little while he got that he did get USA to and was great but I think he's back in the mix but if he's not 40 I don't think I hope she doesn't like kick up a fuss about that like that's a big deal you know what I mean yeah I think she's when I talked to her a while ago but like in January when I talked to her she was like she was ready to go she basically said like I was just happy to be back on season 39 of course she already played Allstars 4 so she was already kind of like in the mindset of like I could go whenever

1:36:32 But I felt like she was just like ready to go and I think it also helped that Paulie got that such a good edit in USA 2 that I think he would be I think everybody in that parties will be ready to go I think production would be cool with them both being on there and I think they both are ready to be back on it together so I think I think we could see them on there we speculated about what you've heard are potentials but what would you like to see Drew honestly what's your wish list like your dream season 40 so my dream season 40 would be an all winner season hence why I feel like it would be great to have like two winners here they had so many spin-offs they had so many like we've had an influx of seasons and winners that it would you've already filled some of that space Also they saved so much money for this season I say let's bump that up to like $2 million the first place man and first place woman gets each a million dollars and let's make this prize pool sing because I mean there's people that say they wouldn't be back on the main show unless money was super high and I mean let's really put it up high but if that wasn't the case my secondary would be old school versus new school I think that would be really fun to do U I talked to Brad as an exit interview when one of my favorite interviews of all

1:37:52 Time dude is incredible and he was so hyped for thinking that it could be old school versus new school he was like so hyped that he love that he was like this is the perfect season and like him getting hyped about it I was getting hyped about it and I was like let's I'm ready let's go Brad like let's work on this together I take it a step further than the old school new school is to capitalize on the current Behemoth that's taking over the world in Taylor Swift who's in Australia at the moment is errors the errors tour for Taylor Swift you have errors of the challenge and they just like go marketing wise like this is the old the ogs like seasons 1 to 10 seasons the teens the 20s the 30s you could have like errors of it or even the spin-offs or whatever it is but you could make teams of different not just two teams old school new school but have it in certain Generations if you will erors I would honest ly what I think with season 40 if you had an all- winner season or even old school versus new school I think that you need to just scrap making anything new and just modernize old school like dive into it like really just make this like a season for fans and really get back to that old school Vibes or just like modernize older challenges to be like this

1:39:13 Was played in season 11 my first ever a hosting season and like have TJ like go through some of that stuff and I think I think newer fans would be like w that's pretty interesting and it would make them interested to like sign up for Paramount plus to go watch the season that daily challenge was happening in or something like that or I think it would be a lot of fun and then this is cool they did they did it in season 40 of Survivor like they had like Throwbacks to like original immunity challenges with flashbacks of a this was done back in this season when Ethan zon was in Africa or things like that which I thought was really cool and I think it would work really well on the show as well Danica thank you so much for the $5 really appreciate you denica says love the lives and don't forget to like And subscribe yes everybody if you haven't subscribed to the channel yet please consider subscribing because we are growing in fact I've loved talking about the challenge so much over the last couple of years since I've become like I was a new fan like angel cake saw me as this new person coming into the fandom of the challenge when we first started talking together Survivor was always my bread and butter that's the thing that I followed from the start I didn't support The Challenge from day one I didn't even know that it existed until I guess it was Final Reckoning was my first season and it didn't chase me away I ended up going back and watching more shows and really getting interested in the challenge fandom and slowly but surely

1:40:33 It started rivaling for me Survivor and I feel like the challenge is continuing I'm still enjoying it I know some people don't like the direction I'm invested with this show long term and the fact that the production just in my opinion gets better every season they keep learning from their mistakes when it comes to putting up a show casting 100% they can still improve on I agree there's always things we can work on but because I love the show so much you know moving forward we're going to be covering All Star 4 on the channel previous Seasons the challenge has always taken a backseat to Survivor lives on the nullified Tech Channel where I've done Survivor live on this time slot and then the challenge whenever both seasons have gone on because of my own scheduling I've always done the challenges are pre-recorded with Kahuna then we would release it but because I love the challenge so much and it has been so good we have decided that all star 4 will become our main heading into the next schedule so survival will be pre-recorded rather than the challenge when both those are playing we're going to keep the challenge on this spot and that is because of the live audience that we have the engagement that we have from the fans when it comes to the challenge this has now become the number one priority for the nullified T channel so big change in mindset here and how we do things doesn't mean I don't love Survivor doesn't mean that I won't be covering it and try and find times but instead of I guess accommodating the live where I can for the challenge I'm going to make it the priority moving

1:41:53 Forward so sometimes I will pre-record yes Survivor coverage I know Chris it's a big it's a big mind shift here definitely doing it also because K Maria is on All Star 4 but not just that I have been enjoying talking about the challenge and specifically the life the life has been amazing you guys are amazing you keep I think the engagement on the channel really up there so for me you know this is a thank you to everybody that has been supporting us throughout the coverage that we've done here throughout the season so now that we've got a more consistent time slot that we will be doing challenge content on and Drew has mentioned that sometimes he'd like to jump on you know like I said open door whenever Drew feels like he wants to jump on and come say a few things about all stars even if he wants to do a season he's more than welcome to cover all star 4 with myself and Kahuna and the same for Chantel you know if she ever wants to jump on here as well but that is going to be the priority for the channel moving forward Drew big change what do you think about that you know you've known me from the start you know I've always been Survivor first now I've challenge first at least when it comes to the USA coverage I think it's exciting I think it's exciting I had no idea that was going to happen but hey if you're G to cover a season and make it a priority I think Allstars 4 is the best way to do it and start it out so I think it's a it's a good move I've seen some of the reactions in the live chat

1:43:13 And everybody seems to be really excited for it so hey I'm down for it Chris saying what if I told you twist Cast Away Survivor 46 what it would mean is that I would just not have a life like I would just be live streaming at all times we'll do live watch alongs of Survivor 46 like it'll be you know it'll be insane if she was on the next season of Survivor I don't think it's happening anytime we've got lovable Nikki saying it's about time Chris a lot of positive reactions here from people that are enjoying the fact that we are sort of making a bit of a shift here but obviously while the show goes on a break for the next couple of weeks Survivor will fall into the slot in that time we'll be doing the lives but then when all stars come back we will move Survivor to either pre-record or do lives maybe at a time that's more sort of based here in the Australian side of things we might even do that because we do have some Australian Survivor fans that watch Survivor us as well so that is a possibility but just the time may not work that well with the US audience so you'd have to watch it at a later stage if that is the case just to fit things in on our side but that really is it for this season I guess I'll go around and ask final thoughts coo if you could sum up the season as a whole sum up you know your thoughts on this what are you looking for moving forward what will you remember from this season have you already forgotten about it where do you sit for me the season is the anointing

1:44:33 Of niice this it was meant to be the battle for the new Champion is the new generation and I think the champion was not it but we did get some new stars in n sasio kylin and as I said the heel turn of evil J I'm interested to see how that works out and the livia narice like I think there's just so much fod there for them to play with and N is going to be an absolute star people complaining for ages about Tori being the face of the challenge the female face of the challenge I think norice is going to be a satisfying one for if they do actually build the show around her as well angel cake any thoughts on this season as a whole how would you sum it up and you know moving forward into all star what can we what can we expect from the chall this season was an interesting one I think it's one of the more experimental Seasons especially when it comes to the cast I think that they were trying to look for some diamonds and they gave everybody an opportunity an equal opportunity to step up and I think that a select few did and majority kind of proved what we were thinking that they were going to do and not really take advantage or opportunity of the moment that was brought up to them and I think what we did get and the storylines that

1:45:53 We can take away from this can fuel future seasons and at least the next couple of seasons in a way that could be very interesting but I think that this proved at least in this 24 group who can hang who could be the next Generation who can start building we can build around whereas we can start maybe cooling down on a lot of other play people that were on there I think then the challenge needs to take advantage of everybody that is willing to come back especially the Champs who are willing to come back I think they need to take advantage of this I don't think we need to be shoving them away totally but I think that this proves that we need to give a lot of people ample opportunity Seasons after season after season whereas give them the camera time give them a chance to be in the spotlight because I felt coming into the season it could have been their worst ratings ever and it was from the very jump which is normally not how it's supposed to be and I think that if they would have given everybody at least some camera time for us to get to know them on their original seasons and even two or three seasons so I think that this is important not to just always reach into your CT bag or car bag too much and rely too heavily on them for when they're on a season but also we need

1:47:13 To utilize them as they're still willing to come on to the show because once they're gone they're gone and we don't need to be we don't need to be pushing them out of the show when they're still willing to come onto the show because if we get two or three seasons two or three years of them not being on the show and then we're trying to get them bring them back and they're like I have a family I have this I have that I don't I have businesses now that I'm running because I wasn't on your show for the last we just need to take advantage of their having them when we have them so that's what I think we learned from this show and what we can learn from I like that on the rest of the series it's a it's a great way to wrap up the coverage here I don't think I can say anything better than that myself lovable Nikki says wonderful live everybody it was a season thanks Chris Kahuna and Drew and then Danica says I enjoyed our lives more than the show itself and we appreciate you for jumping in and enjoying the lives it's always good to be amongst fans talking about the show that we all love to watch and you know sometimes it makes us happy sometimes it makes us sad sometimes we want to V you want to share you know being happy sad or upset on your own is never fun so enjoying it all together this is really why I've enjoyed covering this season more than anything else but for now that is it here for this week

1:48:33 You know Drew before we finish it off here I'll I'm going to give you an opportunity since you were gracious enough to jump on very last minute tell people what you're up to where can they find you if they for some other reason don't know who you are which would be surprising to me because I do think you're doing a great job on your channel to cover challenge content and also talk a little bit about the patreon and what you're doing there hey you can catch me on patreon.com angelcake fids you can catch me on youtube.com Angel KCK vids just talking about the challenge wrapping up this season I put up a lot of videos on both I just put out a video of Tanya versus The Mean Girls Alliance and going through the evolution of Tanya very recently I've also talked about the band list of players who's really banned who's maybe just taken some time off that kind of vibe as well as a ton of other content that I'm G be covering like some scandals and some other shows as well so I do live I do live streams every single week and you talked about me being gracious to coming on here I'm very gracious to be on here getting to meet up with you guys talk about the show I've kind of missed this little Vibe of talking with everybody because I mean we used to do it all the time and yeah it was it was a lot of fun like I legit missed this Vibe and I had so much fun in the live chat and I really enjoy what you are doing here as well

1:49:53 As what Chantel is doing over at reality realness with three s's but I feel that you are gracious for allowing me to come on here and hang out and talk and mix with the vibe I know I caught everybody at a sink here a little bit being the Third Wheel but I really appreciate you good you being on here felt like it felt like it felt like all times you know you just fit it in you slot it right in and you know we talked about it and again like I said with all star 4 now having a more consistent schedule what we want to do there it makes it a little bit easier to plan as well so you know whenever you want to jump on and come have a chat be it for the whole like it's kind of like the advice you gave us on the challenge like if one of the people who's at top of their game if they want to come and have a chat we'll let you come have a chat whenever and it's always fun catching up with you it's always fun to talk about the challenge with you as well I know that when you cover a whole season and you have to do your own content on your own channel and you have to do patreon content and it can get a lot so without the pressure of having to be on every single week you're more than welcome to jump on whenever you want to do it and have free time to do so but for now everybody thank you so much go check out angel cakes Channel as well and we will catch you next time we'll be back live to talk about all star 4 and watch out there may even be a draft prior to Allstar 4 dropping which we still have to schedule and plan for but catch you guys next

1:51:13 Time peace