The Challenge 40: Episode 13 Discussion

0:13 [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] we're back welcome to the nullify take Channel where we've got the TT takes for you on the challenge 40 episode 13 that's right we'll probably talk about episode 12 on this recap as well since we weren't here last week to talk about that and it's been a whole I feel like two weeks since I've spoken to Kahuna how are you doing buddy it's been a while yeah man it's it feels like it's been a long time is when you talk to someone so often so frequently that multiple times a week we get to podcast together you take a week or two break you go man it's been so long but it does feel like that and I missed you man I missed chatting about the

1:33 Shows and all that sort of thing so it does make you know absence makes a hard grow F they so I guess it's true 100% I was talking to Julie and I said to her like I've been absolutely hammered at work like it's just we're going into a busy season there's a lot of project work going on a lot of for those who don't know I work in sales there's a lot of business to business relationship stuff going on where you're up until like late and then also manage the Barcelona team not just the Melbourne team so I had meetings late with them it's just been full on and I was feeling tapped out I'm not going to lie but then I said to Julie probably yesterday I said to I just have that surge of motivation that's back like I want to talk about the challenge I'm still behind on Survivor though I'm two episodes behind on Survivor but I have caught up to the challenge so no Spoilers for surv Survivor tonight that's all I'm asking for oh got that's fine I we don't need to I watch this week I'm up to dat except for yesterday's episode so we don't need spoil yeah but I do have exciting news for those that are listening to this at a later stage we've got our first official sponsor for the podcast we're now partnering with coinbase with the nullified T channel so if you're into crypto if you go to a description below you'll see we've got a referral link there for the podcast anybody that does use crypto if you're

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4:14 You would be killing it's like that was okay now us I believe it's like close to $90,000 right to give you an idea so it's improved slump somewhat since then bloody money is using luno there you go so definitely worth checking out blood Money welcome back to the liveing CHR Kahuna today is the 10th anniversary of DM Brown's death R DM always sad to think about back about it strange story for me when I watched DM and I went back because I was a new school fan of the show she was she was already dead like she already passed away which was kind of shock like I obviously didn't know it's kind of shocking as I went back to watch it to see that whole her falling in love with CT and her and her relationship but such a badass competitor will'll never forget obviously what she meant to the show as well blood rny is saying Laurel and narice beefing on Twitter what's new what is new Laurel real Petty though Laurel not looking good in this exchange really so you've been keeping up and light I've seen a couple of the screenshots and Laurel's basically saying you know even though nce and Hario are literally a couple she saying like oh he wanted me first you know your sloppy seconds

5:34 And all that kind of thing like okay like do you expect anything else from Laurel at this point though do you expect anything else while we're on the subject of Laurel I just want to say hello to everybody else here as well there's a couple of really good comments coming through we'll read it as we go through it lovable Nikki in the live it's been a long time since I've seen lovable Nikki in the life we appreciate you being here hot emojis back to you as well cookie before I forget sorry on DM I don't know if the chat is aware but my last name is brown and were my third child to be a girl instead of a boy very likely would have been called DM BR which would have been not necessarily for DM not that I hate the little nod or the little tribute if anyone had actually twigged but it was because the name is just so good like when I heard that name the first time together I was like that my name's Brown and that first name together to me it was such a good combination in my ear so had I had a girl the third time or the third child it might have been called DM it was definitely on the list anyway so it's interesting yeah but yeah rest in peace cookie lefu here saying oh my god I've never caught you guys life welcome back I'm in

6:54 Los Angeles so I got to sleep but I'll catch the rest later Cula Fu if you see this tomorrow you time or later during the day your time we appreciate you dropping in and leaving a comment for us always great to have people in the comments section either in the lives or even after the lives telling us what they think of all of the action and then bloody money saying Allstar 6 officially got green lert also Survivor 48 The Amazing Race season 37 Deal or No Deal Island season 2 has announced its premier date out of all of those the one that I'm the most excited about is Deal or No Deal Island that is the one that looks like it's going to be the most exciting yeah I saw the trailer today one yet o you got to go watch the first one it's so much better than Survivor I reckon at the moment like it is okay it is good it is I was kind of like recation I was 5050 on deal no deal Island I was like how much how good can the show really be if the principal ofers it is choosing suitcases that need to be opened and then you have to like go high or low to try and stay in the game but there is strategy to it the first season I won't spoil it there's certain characters that made it really memorable but I just thought it was a very fresh take but yeah D No Deal Island season 2's looking really good I like the fact that even in the trailer David gut who both you and I we know him really well from Australian survivor

8:14 He's saying he's going to tell no one that he's the best player from Australian Survivor ever so that's a secret and everybody knows p is a survival winner and they talk about it in the trailer and he's like oh really survival players are dangerous so I'm already thinking this is going to be a good season if I'm just a male model I'm just a male model I'm into feet can you into feet I need to know this oh mate that I am not into feat I am not in the slightest like I actually think it's an indication of society's downfall as a whole that the feet people are just so comfy and out with it now not that I King Shame at all but they're just so brave with it now like the feat people they're just so cool and comfortable in their feetness and it's that I'm I don't know I don't mind when there was a little bit of you know keeping in the closet a little bit at least for the feet stuff but this F A lot of closeup there was a lot of yeah it was a Tarantino movie all over I was trying to have my dinner while watching the episode and I felt really uncomfortable eating my chicken Teryaki while seeing feet close up on the screen every couple of minutes like I was like what's going on what am I watching but yeah

9:35 Multiple times as well like it just came up so as a thing you know a lot of jealousy it was it was a group thing it was a fun party thing it was a potential source of marriage you know breakdown it was a wedge issue toes and feet can be so many different things to so many different people apparently yeah well you kind of brought it up so let's talk about it what did you think of the whole Michelle calling out aiv and bananas in the bus and it becoming a big thing like I mean for me I was sitting on the sidelines thinking surely it wasn't just their feet touching and that's what got her to talk like there must have been more that we didn't see because they were all like you've put a in such a bad light and this could destroy her life outside of the game and I'm like what did she say she was just asking for a foot run you know like we must have they must have edited so much of that conversation out because we didn't see I think what they or were they just blowing it up like I was so confused throughout that whole thing I don't know like it is weird like as a married man it is weird to just touch feet with other people like I don't know why you would do that but I could also

10:55 Totally as someone who doesn't give a crap about feeding the slightest I could yet not being a sexual thing in the slightest as well they were literally just sitting across in the you know feet touched in the in the bus way hallway or whatever you call that footpath thing but I don't know man like Michelle's having a go she's trying to you know she's not liking Johnny at the moment so she's ring him up and taking shots aiv is the unfortunate you know side effect of that or the collateral damage and I do shout out to Michelle that she actually apologize to V for being caught up in that I didn't like that she did sort of because at the start of the season I didn't appreciate when Laurel mentioned anything about a massage from but that sounded worse with gell right it did sound worse but in this one as well like I think it's because the foot Michelle literally said like con can I can I just repeat what we saw on the TV screen she literally said can I get him a foot massage as well how do I get in on the action that is what she said can I join the foot party can I get can I get it in a foot party how can you how can you compare that to what Laurel said which was two very different things like I feel like we must have missed some key context there must have been some more conversation going on or bananas just did what banan's

12:15 De and he was a bit of a diva in this moment and blew it up even further like why not both little bit ofit look I think there's also like it's weird us humans we've evolved very strangely to find specific things provocative and specific things not provocative Inus right and for whatever reason the whole footsies under the table you know that sort of thing like for whatever reason it is I don't know how we became this way but playing footsies with someone else especially of the opposite sex is part and parcel of flotation of you know that sort of so you know whether it's you know on the fringes if you squint really hard you can kind of make something look a bit dodgy if you want it potentially to yeah so I don't think Michelle's necess saying that but Johnny like definitely spun it that she was trying to be yeah and he plays it up hard man he's been on fire the last couple episodes as far as just drumming up the drama so he's just like soaking oh lot man yeah lovable Nikki is saying it was beer they were not playing footies Michelle was trying to

13:35 Agitate John we did not miss anything Michelle is full of well I've I've got the believe personally like I'm loving this Michelle like I'm sorry like she's bringing the drama she's crying she's emotional she's having fights with Johnny she's taking stabs like I mean give the girl her flowers she is not one of those girls like we every single season we say we need people that are not afraid to go up against the powerful players in the game someone who's not afraid to punch back at the big Power Players that's her like I mean bananas is winning she's he's throwing her in time after time again she's coming back time after time again and then Michelle is throwing in bananas time after time again I have to say this is the highlight of the season the season is not going to get better than what we're seeing right now kuna we're seeing two heavyweight boxes challenges in the ring going blow for blow and I am living for it I'm just like who's going to win who's going to get the knockout punch is it gonna be Michelle is she gonna get Johnny out of the game is he finally gonna lose one or is Johnny gonna get Michelle out of the game this is what we paid the big bucks for kuna to see two competitors go at it back and forth not holding punches like isn't this what you want are you not entertained by this kuna like because this is why I come back this is why

14:55 The challenge is better than any other reality TV show right now for me because you just don't see rivalries like this anymore where it's a back and forth dingdong match you know like this is more exciting than J Jake Paul Tyson fight that's going to happen in the weekend like I mean who cares about that because we know it's ragged but this one here this is this is entertainment look you kind of wish it was on what would traditionally be considered more even opponents right like I do appreciate that Michelle is standing up to and she's certainly not backing down she's been hit she's gone down into elimination come back and hasn't backed off it's not like she goes oh well back in again so I'll go a different direction or find a different path she's standing strong and I do appreciate that but it does feel like she's not the real Challenger here I get the vibe a lot of the way she's striking out of bananas is kind of what banana said and he I think he called it pretty accurately that she's backed into a corner and it feels little bit like tantrum fighting back that you're losing and you're kind of you know it's not like taking shot Michelle K your Michelle what should she do what like in her in her case how does she play this differently I don't think there I'm not I

16:15 Don't have a problem with the way she's play it he's right cuz she is backed into a corner like she's literally in the worst possible position in this episode anyway at that moment she's going into elimination against her best friend there's no other possible thing things there's nothing else going on like he's right but if you're going to go out like taking shots at bananas is the way to go about it right like it does come off a little bit desperation but like I said there's no there's no harm in that there's no I see any I don't see any I do you want to see that right if someone wants to go down you want to see them go down swinging and even if it feels like the last can tell I think is desperation in my mind is if she was to pull her punches go back to bananas and say let's work this out we were friends outside of the game we can work around this thing that's desperation that's playing scared that's saying hey bananas I'll kiss your feet I'll kiss your feet me more like okay it's not desperation but more the I still think she's playing pretty strategically but these shots that she's taking at bananas as far as the foot thing as far as it's emotional out it's when I say desperate it's lashing out of like she's losing

17:35 And she's just lashing out it's not necessarily strategic thing that she's doing obviously picking him and standing strong with her Alliance and all that yeah absolutely but I think the agitation I don't necessarily think it's coming from like a strategic mind like bananas would like a Westwood like a Jordan might where they will actually talk someone in order to facilitate I get where you're coming from now yeah we were talking past each other I was meaning I'm respecting the game moves I'm respecting her taking shots back at him you're talking about the way that she's going about trying to get into his head because that is more out of a desperate sort of situation I'm also trying to get in your head bananas because you're in my head and I think when you're talking about emotional you know Michelle and how she's playing the game emotionally I think there was no better scene than the one where she was talking to Josh and where she could she nearly burned the burgers or whatever she was making for Derek because she couldn't focus on the task at hand and she had to have had a go with Josh like I actually like sorry I felt Derek so much D but the give me my spatula back let me finish my own food if you're going to have an argument but that

18:55 Moment there showed because I feel for Josh this I know most of our supporters most of the people who watch the challenge it's the easiest thing to hate on Josh it's so easy to hate on Josh so easy to hate on certain plays but in this moment you put yourself in Josh's shoes he does have more than one friend he feels like he wants to shout wherever he like he wants to be able to support them verbally and Michelle immediately looked at that as a stab against her and that to me became no it's all about me Josh I'm emotional right now I'm not going to listen to you I thought Josh did really well not to blow up in that situation I was waiting for the Josh from two three years ago that would just blow up and you know get pots and pans and start hitting them like he did in Big Brother like that Josh is still there very deep down the sight but he has shown some growth and I don't blame him I don't blame him for backing the people that he backs and in fact I still take my hat off for him because he did support Michelle in the arena this episode he was still he's like I know you're probably gonna throw me extra effort to make it noticeable I think yeah but I but I think he would have done that regardless I think that's the point and kyin probably summed it up the best this episode when he said that there's something for Josh to learn about in the game off the challenge you can be friends with everyone but you can't be aligned with everyone there's a point where you're like this is my alliance this is who I'm yeah and I'm not I'm not advocating for Josh's gameplay because I do think that

20:15 When you're playing against people like this who've played multiple Seasons you're G to get found out when you try and play the floater game in the middle and at some point you've got to show your cards which I think he now has because he has become the newest angel and the bananas Angels Alliance right what about kyin the fact like the balls on this man to give advice to Josh who's been like what does it say about J he didn't give it to his face he didn't give it to his face he gave itos like he's played at least double the amount of seasons of him has one big brother you know where kylin came from but Josh won it you know and kylin's giving him advice like he's the expert when he's on his third season kind of thing you know yeah I mean I think there's a lot of players that have played valice undoubtedly but you know like I mean are we can't deny that so far kylin's showing on the challenge has been more impressive than anything Josh has done up until this point like kylin's looking like a legitimate threat to win the season obviously Jordan's got the experience in this specific episode he got the better of kylin but kylin's won a few daes indiv he shown that he the Minal was impressive like he outran Jordan in a Minal that was impressive

21:36 We haven't even spoken about that like what was your thoughts on the minial did you like the mini final was there anybody that surprised you like for me kylin surprised me I didn't know he had the gas tank on him that he did it wasn't just the puzzles and things that he was good at he also is a good runner by the looks of it didn't surprise me like I see that in I think he's the complete package I think he's got everything that is required for a champion in this game to be a multi-time champ he's got like High stats in lots of fields you know what I mean it's not like high in one thing and really weak in another he's pretty much well-rounded kind of just like Jordan whether it's at the same level as Jordan is another story but I see him as a similar build or similar character type you know what I mean as Jord just really well-rounded in a lot of different areas but whether that difference the fact that he beat Jordan I was actually kind of more impressed with Tori oh wow T is showing up yeah when you consider who she like yes kylin beating Jordan bananas you know fears there but when you've got the guy side is not looking quite as stacked as the women at the moment

22:56 And Tori was standing at the top of the pile when you still have a k Maria a Rachel a quitting Laurel you know things like that aiv still looking amazing so it's impressive from Tori to actually come out on top I am completely sold on Tori this season like I am completely sold I know a lot of listeners will not be happy with that again tor's an easy target to hate she does a lot online there's a lot of things goes on so people will probably hate the fact that you know I used to keep you in line when it came to Tori and now I'm with you I'm like tor's proving herself she's beating a lot of these girls she's in her Peak right now she's clearly taking the game seriously and she brings fun moments to the show and like even just this moment where she was having a conversation with Michelle trying to calm her down making sure her head's in the game like there's some real good humor and good human moments like I feel like just good human moments there I mean Michelle being in the game probably does benefit Tori because it means that Michelle will always be someone but does it really benefit Tor because to if Tori doesn't win the female daily she's going in with Michelle so like Michelle being a Target ahead of her for bananas doesn't matter they're both targets for bananas so she still needs to win so I don't know how making sure

24:17 Michelle stays in the game is just a gameplay move I actually think it is coming from a place of care and her just trying to look out for Michelle in some ways as well and I've just been very impressed what about that scene this is one of my favorite scenes of the episode where all of them were sleeping and they're breathing and it's Josh Tori and Jordan doing the breathing which is kind of funnyy yeah more food stuff and Cory coming in like Cory is the other guy like the people who've lifted in my estimation coming into the season they weren't necessarily my favorites like I reckon Tori and Cory is like my favorites right now like Cory the season has just been so relatable like he seems like the normal guy living with a bunch of try hards for reality TV and he's just like every time when he's talking to the camera it's like can you believe this crap I don't want anything to do of this you know he just seems like that normal guy that's out there playing the game I've really enjoyed both of them I think they both have shown immense growth and yeah what's your thoughts on I guess that scene and Cory as a whole because I know Cory is someone as well that you've had beef with in the past what have you thought of his performance this season yeah I don't mind look I have said Cory's had a really good season and I think my beef with Corey has always been that he's not lived up to his potential in that he should be a lot better the final

25:37 Yeah in the finals and if we get what but in Arena he's one of the best we've determined that this season in Arena I do appreciate his I obviously he seems to be I don't know if it's working for him or against him in that he doesn't have a lot of connections anymore like he his team Young Buck has come and gone and like he now a vet but doesn't have the same relationships with the old vet crew it was sad to see nemiah go in the last episode where he was purged because nemiah was someone he was trying to build that working relationship with he's trying to get a new Nelly tea on his team basically in the game so we're hoping unless all yeah but I've got I've got a very I've got a very important question for you kuna you've grown a lot when it comes to Cory you've accepted him a lot more but I've got a very important question if the phone's ringing and it's Cory on the other side and he needs help in a final puzzle will you answer the call will you be the friend that he can dial on kuna if he was to be in the final and he needed to phone a friend I would be much better at it than him probably but yeah I would help him for sure I want look I don't hate Corey as a person I want Cory to win I just doubt that he will that's my whole thing is that I don't know that he will I

26:57 I've not seen the Killer Instinct required to win this game up against some of the sharks that he swims against is what I'm you know especially up against some of the sharks that he swims again there will be a season where there's no Jordan No Bananas no kins of the world and things that the Next Generation that are even going to be better than him and given the right circumstances I think he will win but he needs a very certain specific set of circumstances and the way he sort of plays lately I don't know if it helps or hinders because he can fly under the radar a lot by not being aligned so heavily with one side of an alliance or another but he finds himself in that position where he's always just the floater and he's never anybody is number one number one he's always you know do you know who's number one he was amandas Amanda said you were number one Cory and she's no longer in the game for him that's a bad choice though as well like that doesn't help you like great thank you I'm glad you're my number one that's the best like even yeah that he said to K Maria I'll be honest Michelle's my number one but if she doesn't pick me guess what and

28:17 K Maria was happy to be in that slot she's like okay like I'm not your number one but you know we'll see what happens but that's kind of smart from both of them like the fact that he goes we're looking around and there's no one else so we might as well work together but as kind of says a lot about the position that Cory's in that car Mar well that's what I mean Kara Maria has a long time been either hated slash feared and because of that scared of she's such a strong competitor she gets ostracized or doesn't get to be in teams and if Cory's in that same spot it's not because they fear Him in the same way it's because they don't trust him don't work with him blah he doesn't have the same relationships where he's now an outsider on the level of karia like that's a weird spot to be in no it's a very fa Fair observation and obviously being a big car Maria fan I was stoked to see her just once again prove that she is who she is she really is that girl you know she's that boss girl when it comes to it like she said she doesn't need a man to save her in this game she saves herself that has been karia for as long as we've known her and she wins daily clutches it out Cara clutch Maria that's what we'll be calling her from now on and she's in the position where she doesn't have to go down into the sand

29:37 She has this conversation with Corey she's now up in Corey's estimation as a as an alliance member so I feel better about both of them having a chance of getting to the final at least if you know in Corey's case like Kary is a sure bet to be someone that could win that would have his back even if he was a Target she's probably someone if she gets thrown and could win an elimination she wouldn't she wouldn't necessarily Target Cory and then Cory is kind of like the male version of car Maria in the sense that he hasn't won any challenges so probably not that part of it but in challenges when it comes to going down into the arena he's almost this much of a short bet to come back as well and he probably wouldn't throw K Maria in as a Target so I do like that strategic move from both of them to kind of like look out for each other the enemy of my enemy is my friend they become close alliance members now in the game they need to find people and they're showing a willingness to extend the Olive Branch to each other so that's in my opinion a good move another part of this challenge I think again was it was interesting seeing the 40 yard dash being like this big maze where everybody had to run and go and find these puzzle pieces it was kind of interesting to see who had the cardio who had the smarts when it came to the puzzles the person that probably again hasn't alleviated any of my fears if they even get to a final as Michelle not getting the

30:57 Puzz really struggling losing against someone like aiv I know she had the time penalty but you would have put money on karia to sorry caria Michelle to actually win in that spot she's been on Survivor which is puzzled dominant when it comes to challenges she's shown she's good at puzzles but for some other reason when she's fatigued or she's under pressure in those moments her Arena luck hasn't necessarily translated into her daili like why do you think it is that Michelle doesn't seem to quite have the Killer Instinct when it comes to the dieses but she does get it done in the arena I don't know that's a good question I don't know the fatigue do you think it's the cardio that plays into that because that looked brutal what they were doing out there and maybe the arena doesn't require the same kind of stamina there's also an element I think Michelle is also we've seen multiple times now to the point where it's even got a term is the Michel down we've already touched on the fact that she plays very emotional and I wonder if a big massive daily we it does feel like it's going to be brutal it's hot out there all that and then to come from behind with a minute time penalty I think she gets in her own head

32:17 Where she's panicking she's worried she's going in it's a against her best friend there's all these things going on that you know there's a potential that it's going to be against Olivia I can't come last I'm already a minute behind and I think all of that just kind of you know what I mean like I get that vibe from her because we've seen it so many times where she's actually verbalized the lack of self-confidence where I can't compete with these women what am I doing here I'm not like them blah I imagine that is going through her head when she's running a minute behind to start with and panicking and all that sort of thing like that has to you know be playing over and over again to a certain extent yeah and that penalty I think really screwed her over in this specific daily it seemed like time was really off the essence she was so far behind by the time yeah like I mean the guys were already out there and she was still standing one which was the minial like Theo got 30 seconds yeah and then this one Michelle got a minute and I was like oh like cuz I was like I remember Theo saying it's the longest 30 seconds of his life you can't believe how long it felt blah I was like yeah 30 seconds would feel like a long time when you're just standing there and then this week I was like wait a minute why is this one a minute

33:37 When last week was 30 seconds like you know yeah I totally agree let's read a couple of comments here John Darwin owns hopefully I'm pronouncing that right they're saying Michelle is giving main character energy I think the best thing that's happened to Michelle is her rivalry with bananas I think it's going to keep her relevant for future seasons and I definitely see her coming back I definitely see bananas coming back we haven't spoken like too much about bananas but bananas was quiet for the first half of the season but he is delivering right now I mean he is giving everything this has been bananas's best season in years like I have not seen a season like this bananas being under Fire bananas not having a comfortable season makes for very entertaining TV in my mind we had Troy on the bloody podcast two weeks ago saying that bananas is now one of the guys he's sh stting for and he never thought he would like Troy's fully sold on the bananas man at the moment and what he's giving us we've got lovable Nikki giving you the sidei Kahuna not exactly sure what comment was she was waiting for my when you asked about Corey how I would react to the Cory like yeah kuna's turning around on Corey don't worry about that Den saying morning guys where the heck of yall burn we kind of talked about a little bit in the beginning of the podcast Dano it's just been really busy on

34:57 This side here trying to fit everything in but we are back we're talking about the challenge I'm still two episodes behind Survivor haven't had time to watch it so for now Drew and Jake are your guys like when it comes to the Recaps and we'll fall in wherever we can down the line on some of the bonus content for Survivor but hopefully we can at least stay on top of the challenge like it's never fun when I fall behind on those ones but it's been really busy on my end which has made it difficult to jump on the podcast Dan saying I think has actually been less emotional this season but maybe I'm just getting used to her I think you're right Den she has been but I think the last episode we've started seeing old Michelle come back in to the game there's cracks there's cracks in the game and we're seeing that but doesn't matter I am similar to you used to Michelle now and I do think Michelle adds a lot of value to the game she's brought some entertainment this season the fact that she's going back and forth with bananas it has been enjoyable to watch now Jordan came out of this episode looking good like won the daily didn't have to take a shot at anyone got safe from being a Target I mean it was a good shot he could have been thrown in again like the guy won the jackpot right Kahuna can I let me ask you something he has he's looking really golden right to the point where it feels a little bit

36:18 Like on the men's side we're not seeing a lot of challenges to Jordan for a final at this point like it kylin and bananas it kind of feels like a bit of a three-man race with Jordan a clear one to me but when Jord the social threat Derek there as well I mean never know about him we'll see but Jordan when like the fact that we just talked about bananas having a great season when you're seeing him uncomfortable I feel like Jordan's like on the opposite end like is he boring this season yeah I said this a couple of weeks ago and then I feel like I got Flack for it where I said he's not really giving much entertainment but he's playing a really good game like I mean this is the most clinical Jordan we've seen like he is playing a master class this season and it's almost like he's playing on easy mode while everybody around him is playing on Hardcore Mode right and he's just making it look easy at this stage I do think that he still has competition in bananas and kyin I hope we see bananas kin and Jordan in the final that's the three I want to see I want to see a stacked final with three good guys going up against each other but if it's Jordan sorry

37:38 If it's Jordan Josh and Derek I mean do we even tune in for the final in that scenario even if it's Cory do we even tune in like Cory will stay competitive but like we need bananas and kin to get to the final for the otherwise the final is done and then it just becomes who wins in the female side because we still got Rachel we still got K Maria a is injured so I don't know how she do she'll do in the final if she gets there Jenny is a beast she's against shown she's a beast but she's struggling with her asthma like in the mini in the Minal we saw a struggle with her so I don't know like Tori I forgot about Tori so Tori Rachel and karia those are like your three most likely female winners and then you just hope that it's competitive until the end but he's making this game look very easy at the moment Jordan's flying yeah he's he's not getting touched at the moment I think what Danica said is actually maybe kind of true like building up for him at the moment oh sorry that Jordan's having CTV people don't want to go against him he does have and it's not based on size and strength but his reputation and Status built on years of amazing he did he got thrown

38:58 In by Michelle so the only thing that kept him safe this game was him winning and then previously I think that he's just played a really I don't think it was a scared thing I just think he's played a really good strategic game very good strategic game at this stage but I think people are willing to go against them because why or not against them but throw them in because if you throw it's kind of like you have to take a shot at people and this is something I have to say it would have been the easiest thing in the world for Michelle to do the normal I don't want to throw bananas in because I want to have strong male partner in the final I don't want to throw Jordan in because I want to have a strong male partner in the final she's not going down that line she's like I'm throwing in big names this season I don't care I just want to say hello to Tony welcome to the live hope you're doing well yeah like you know what I'm saying like sometimes they protect the strong people on the opposing side but this season hasn't necessarily been like that it's because there's been the sides that well even if it's not bad blood the teams are so clearly defined a little bit that there's always a clear Target that it doesn't have to be like a bad blood kind of thing it's like well you're on that t team and it is turning a little bit obviously with bananas and stuff I don't think the angels and the other side necessarily hate each other but they know that it's your side my

40:18 Side if you don't go for me I'll go for you and we have to like it's clear boundaries are drawn and Jordan's not really on either side of that which is the fascinating thing yeah lovable Nikki is saying here I wonder if men will ever be able to Target men and vice versa that is why Jordan is safe women won Jordan as a partner in the final yeah makes sense I mean look at Rachel she's already cozied up to him she's doing a good job strategically getting certain people in her side and she's playing the game in a way where she wants strong men at the end but Michelle is like I said she's taken shots there so Jordan kind of kept self safe and then tor's kept herself safe when she needed to as well like Tor played a good game carar played a good game like they're keeping themselves safes when they need to this format's really like I think this format's working for me this season I like it like to that you can protect yourself by performing really well like you it's not just the it's not the politics side of it because you know if get daily to protect yourself cuz the shots are being taken prior to the Daily being completed so you know who's the Target Prior into the daily so you get two shots at saving yourself you get the daily where you can win

41:38 Outright or you can win in the arena so I actually really like this as well I think this format has been a slam dunk kuna I think like we're seeing one of the best seasons in a long time I think so too especially from the format perspective where you can't it hasn't been a case where one of the alliances can really pagong it like can really dominate you can rig it you can kind of get the votes once you have the numbers you're kind of in charge of everything because of the way the targ you're picking three targets and there's so much variance in it like it's actually working out really well that both sides can actually have power fairly frequently it's not like once you've lost the numbers you're kind of screwed kind of thing yeah to totally agree with you let's see what else happened during this moment there was a lot of Michelle L feeling bad about their situation having to go up against each other I felt like they overdid it a little bit like I didn't have much emotion to it because I was like this is literally like Olivia turned her back on the last season didn't care about the Friendship side of it now suddenly she's coming across like I'm such a loyal friend Michelle Sak Mar di never wanted to go against her and it's like I don't know it was too much for me Kahuna was too much felt like a lot yeah

42:58 It's like what are we doing cried harder for her than Devon leaving as well by the way like it felt like I don't know how I'm going to survive after this I don't know like I didn't have a problem with it I appreciate if they've actually developed a real strong friendship there's nothing wrong with that like I'm glad they found each other but like yeah I don't have any sympathy for like I didn't care about it harder than Tori versus Casey or it's kind of always been the thing on the challenge that we the blood lust in US likes the most almost it's like the worst possible thing you can do but almost like when it does happen you're like oh you put best friend against best friend oh my God you can't do that's but we're all going ah yeah at the same time you know like so you were shouting with Banas you were on de side on the sidelines going yeah we're going to see two best friends going after each other well I didn't really get that from them cuz it's not like I wanted to see them go against each other I don't care like they didn't they didn't it was different when we saw Cory and Nelly T go against each other that was a different vibe it is different vibe so you know like but I

44:18 Appreciate betraying Nell yeah I appreciate from a story if you can somehow get it to be where the emotional wrought the emotions are wrought by having a to stay in the house like that is emotionally script writing wise the best possible thing that you could have hope for you know what mean or Rivals like really hated Rivals it's either the best friend or the person they hate the most and one of those two is the best option you know when they're indifferent about it doesn't really feel you know yeah let's have a read of the comments here King cash saying if Jordan doesn't come in last he is basically a lock for the final so only six players left in the game as well so it's getting pretty close like depending on like if it's four people in the final we only have two more guys to go home and two more females to go home I believe heading into the final it's only six on the side right that's now left C how many yeah that's only six left on the side but how many episodes have we had well we're episode 13 now they normally go up to what episode 19 or 20 or something like that so if we have four more individual eliminations just to get down to four eight four

45:39 Yeah that's four more episodes I guess have 17 then you might have 18 19 as the finals yeah sounds about right to me could easily be something like that King cash is saying this might be Jordan's best political season we agree with that also saying I wonder when we will learn about the karma points I think Karma points will be dealt out in the final and I think it will give people advantages or disadvantages in the final so either you'll get a penalty or you'll get a head start based on Karma points that's my that's my guess at this stage what do you think the way Laurel won her final on All Stars yeah was so like so heavily weighted though I hope they don't I hope they balance it a little bit more where Laurel getting those Karma points essentially gave her the win like it was insurmountable yeah it's telling when you see how bad Laurel flailed out failed out on this season quitting yeah I mean she's now going to be labeled a quitter for the rest of her challenge career didn't get the TJ treatment though for quitting oh no just T TJ will hold that for some people but not for La not for Laurel is she's one of the goats she's one of the goats she can quit it's like when like Sandra twine quit

46:59 It's like when Sandra twine quit the edge of Extinction like people didn't hold that against her she's one of the goats yeah you know does this impact her Legacy at all does this what impact her Legacy because it's not a good look is it I'm trying not to be salty I'm trying not to be salty I'm not a I'm not a fan of Laurel so like putting that caveat on that I do think it I do think it imp backs her Legacy to be honest but that's for the rest of the fans to the side not just me I'm not I'm not a fan of hers to begin with so maybe some people who are fans of her would feel differently about it I mean I used to be such a big fan of her I don't know why now that I look back like I it's one of my things that I'm ashamed of that I actually really liked her it's because of her competitiveness and her aggression grown I really appreci I have I've grown a lot but I do not like Legacy as in you can't take away what she's done but it for me it also calls it question like I didn't like last season's win or I'm not laston all star win I didn't think it was that strong of a win it didn't represent like the truth and to have that backed up with this season recency

48:19 Bias is going to be a big thing like that's the last couple and then the one before that I don't know kuna if you can hear me I'm going to put you on mute for a second just for when you come back but you're basically you're cutting out quite a bit on the internet connection there but I know exactly where you're coming from like Laurel hasn't had like she won the season questionable win to begin with then we had this season which she basically quit at and then I don't think her previous two showings prior to that in the new era was that great either so there hasn't been and again I'm probably coming across as like obviously Chris is going to say this he's never been a laurel fan so a lot of fans may think differently about it but to me she's not been as impressive I wouldn't personally put her up there she's a big character you can't take that away from her but not a good way to see her go out of this season I'm going to have a look at a couple more comments that are coming in here Dan saying they literally did that to themselves so I believe that was maybe Michelle and Olivia Dan said also did you talk about Laurel burning bananas with the one Karma Point did not talk about that but that's another really bad thing on Laurel because bananas

49:40 Have been going to bat for her like at every single podcast on a show is's like Laurel's one of the best Wes came in there and said she's average the only reason she won back in the day is because she was bigger than other girls now that there's more athletic girls she's kind of getting found out and bananas has been going to back no she's one of the great she's one of the best she would have won no matter the era and this is how she repays them very bad kashia says all of the people all of all people why is Jos letting himself get pulled into the drama this close to the final when he can't win an elimination I just think he ran out of Runway King cash I think that he was trying to play that middle game and then this happens to him every single season at the end he runs out of Runway and he's trying to be everybody's friend and at some point like kin says you've got to choose the person that you're going to be with you got to choose your alliance and he didn't choose his Alliance he's getting found out here Dan is also saying TJ had to politically correct himself Kash is saying you can't hold this against Laurel unless you're knocking down Evelyn for quitting elimination that's fair that's fair and a lot of people are really big Evelyn fans as well I've got no horse in the race to be honest with you King cash but I really don't like it when somebody quits and maybe it came from a place that wasn't explained very well but she was saying she's feeling

51:00 Heat stroke maybe she was dehydrated it could be many reasons for it just didn't look good optic optically seeing her drop out of the race when Michelle was running away she knew she wasn't going to get there in time so she didn't finish the challenge Tony saying you have grown Laurel hasn't very true Tony very true like Laurel is still the same person she was and I think that's what West said on the bananas podcast as well which was a good listen lovable Nikki says definitely can hold this against Laurel is too old for this yeah she's not stayed in shape she hasn't trained for what the challenge is today and Karie on the other hand has trained she has stayed in shape she's maybe not as good at certain puzzles or certain math equations and things like that but at least you can run with the new school people which is something that you do need if you want to compete with some of the newer girls but again there's some beasts that have been around for a while Tori's there she's been around for a while you've got Rachel is been around for a while Rachel's looking very good anything is possible John Darwin says Laurel is and I feel like there's more that should follow that comment I'm not too sure Kahuna I think you're back any other things that you wanted to discuss any other topics you wanted to bring up from this episode that stood out for

52:20 You're mute just by the way I'll unmute you there you go no I can't think of anything specific I yeah no I'm I do think this episode felt very like it was a little bit mid like the challenge the elimination I was like eh it was very Michelle heavy which she was strong it was a really strong episode because she carried a lot of it but we when we were talking about Michelle before how she's really stepped up to have you were having you were saying about this back and forth with Johnny like to see two greats go out it I started thinking had she not feel that void this season when we're talking about Jordan being very boring there's a little bit going on with Tor but when you've got a cast of such Heavy Hitters without the Laurel and Cara Maria drama it has been a little bit quiet hasn't it and without Michelle having that going back and forth with bananas and allowing bananas to really the heel again and relish it I don't know if you're still there or if you're cutting out we may have

53:40 Lost you there again but Tor is the other person a good thing that says a lot yeah I'm just going to put you on mute for a second if you can hear me so yeah the other person I think that has really been keeping the season interesting has been Tori because like you said bananas has been playing the hill he's definitely stepped up he's kept the season interesting Tori and Michelle have both been going at him at different times which has made the game kind of entertaining but all of this comes down to bananas and this is why I believe when bananas leaves the game if you hate him love him he can be a bit of a dick sometimes let's be honest that is his stick that is who he is that is what he brings to the game but when he is ready to retire there's going to be a gap hole for someone to fill and I don't know who that person is that is going to take over for bananas to play the hill as well as he does like obviously Wes has played that at times in the past he's really good at it as well Jordan is becoming less of a heal these days he's becoming instead of the anti-hero the Deadpool of the challenge Universe he's become more like the new CT almost I feel like now he's taken more of that senior Statesman role that CTI had previously he's even comparing himself to CTI saying if I can get this fifth win now suddenly I'm the conversation with CTI you know so that's who he's looking up to that's who he's targeting he's not

55:00 Necessarily looking to become the next Hill the next bananas in the game so there is going to be a massive Gap for someone to fall and I don't know who that is kuna is there anyone that you can think of my opinion personally and I don't know if this is going to be popular there's a Mr a certain Mr Calif Fury that's starting to get back into the challenge world and I think if he plays enough Seasons he could start becoming a bit of a heal again in the future like he does have a strategic mind he's very vocal he's outspoken he does he is good at the C with the camera so maybe he's the person that they look for in the future to play that heel role but I don't know who it's going to be outside of that he's very good he even got a mention this episode from bananas call him the keer off which was great you got a little pop up and everything Paul's Paulie's good I don't know if it'll if it'll be good for him to go into that heel space like with him saying that he's done a lot of mental sort of growth and you know all that sort of thing he I think Devon obviously is going to be one of theut pieces of the of the challenge and if you have the life comfortable he is he is he's he is but it depends on what happens in the context of the season right because you can definitely see say There's No Bananas right it's a Devon season he's got Michelle there and say it's a kyin

56:21 Is the good guy and whatever the way the alliances have fallen going up against Devon and you know blah you could see there being a pretty good narrative there like Devon leading with Michelle up against you know whatever Alliance has formed on the other side I think that could be a real thing but there doesn't seem to be a clear cut one no I think Paulie's can do a lot but he needs a couple more seasons in to build that character back up because he's been gone a long time yeah he's that's why he's been struggling he just doesn't have the built-in alliances any longer but him and him and K Maria together feel like outcasts with the new age and could easily fill a role like that together if they were to come back into the show where I feel like Derek has the Showmanship likeness of that but he's got a like Derek has got a really good alliance around him now which allows for him to play a more Puppet Master type of game rather than being like the antagonist the person who's gone up against the house almost you know but that could change in the future let's see what people are saying King cash is saying who would your winner predictions at the beginning of the season so King cash if you remember our draft pick I believe Drew pick Jordan as the first male pick for the season which most of us would have picked if we had the opportunity and then I believe Shantel

57:41 Picked car Maria if my memory is correct as the first female pick of the season so I couldn't pick or was it you did she I can't remember no I thought you picked Tori or did you pick last I was somewhere the I couldn't Pi I couldn't Pi Maria so I picked Tori yeah before you so this is what Chantel was first she picked Maria so I couldn't I picked Tori and then you had someone else that you Jenny yeah so those they're all in Tori car or Jenny would have been my three wi winners picks I think Tori would have been my number one if I had the option yeah Drew had Rachel as his first female pick which was the fourth overall female pick so all four of us had our first female pick still in the game have our first female pick still in the game right now all good picks in the beginning of the Season my guy pick because I was third to pick the guys was Derek which was a surprise to some people the reason I didn't pick CTI was because of the scene of him being medivaced unfortunately I was spoiled on that yeah sorry Devon yeah so if I didn't pick Deon I would have picked Jordan if I could so Jordan would have been that number one pick and I can't remember who you picked I picked bananas first bananas which is fair so you had Jordan

59:01 Bananas both playing good games this season I Devon and then Shantal CT so only two of our men we were more wrong on the men than what we were on anything else after that I still at the start of the season I was very high on Theo and kyin as well I wanted either them in my team too I thought kylin Theo Jordan were really the top people and Banas would have been my number one pick because I thought kyin and Theo may be still available but bananas would have got lots of points regardless like he's going to carry my team yeah King cash saying out of Jordan kand and bananas who is the darkh horse pick for me it would be Cory it's got to be Cory's got a better shot dere I think yeah John says paully hasn't felt as antagonistic lately but that might be due to his early eliminations lately toally agree with that hasn't had much opportunity to buol his character or even bolt an alliance around him I've been disappointed to see him go early every single time but yeah season 40 felt pushed to have him back yes he had a big impact in his first couple of Seasons that he played but he's been out of the game for so long I think it would have been better if they just put someone in that's been more recent to be honest than bring Paulie back in for season 40

1:00:21 I would have rather seen him back at season 41 but hopefully he does get the call back for season 41 as well King cash is saying Cory needs to win the most and then Danica says we still haven't seen the car off the cliff challenge I wonder what that one will be that's from the big super trailer I'm not too sure either but I am excited kuna to finally get the trucks back the semi- trucks coming back next episode with trucks man it's always good when they have the trucks like regardless of whatever challenge they do they end up being super creative with trucks like they can they can come up with so many different versions of a challenge to put on a truck and it just it's always fun like it's such a visual setting like to see someone running across semi-trailers while it's moving is just always going to be fun no matter what yeah well that is it here for this week everybody thank you so much for dropping in and saying hello this morning if you're in the USA or this evening if you're over in Australia or New Zealand like ourselves it's been a lot of fun if you like this content if you want us to do more of this in the future consider subscribing to the channel also hit a like on this to make sure that it gets recognized in the YouTube algorithms and let us know in the comments section below what do you agree with what do you disagree with what was your thoughts on this episode we always

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