THE CHALLENGE USA: EPISODE 7 RECAP

0:08 So [Music] [Music] so [Music] [Music] welcome back to the nullifier tech channel here on youtube we've got the tnt takes for you on the challenge usa episode 7 also live today on reality realness with three s's and as you can see a little bit of a change to the background here at the moment i'm actually traveling at this point and i'm back in south africa to visit family i couldn't talk about it a week or two weeks ago because it was a massive surprise to everybody on this side and my family watches this every now and again chantal's their favorite like most of the live people you know drew me and

1:28 You were just chop liver i guess but you know i had to keep it a secret until we got here we should tell them drew how are you guys doing oh my god it's so fun though so how did the surprise go were they surprised like did you get it on camera like how did that go down yeah they were they were very surprised i got on the camera i just don't know if my mom would allow me to like release the footage like you know she's like camera shy she's the opposite of me you know basically very surprised i'm great i'm happy that you're still we're able to do the pod today it actually feels like it's earlier on in the summer because it's so bright outside and so like a little bit i've also discombobulated because it's like earlier it's brighter outside and you have a different background like i feel like we're in like another dimension sort of yeah it's weird it's like it's midnight on this side so normally for me when i'm in new zealand it's like in the middle of the day now it's like right in the middle of the night and everybody is sleeping in the house and i'm the crazy person still up talking about reality tv nothing new you know drew how are you doing i'm doing great i'm happy that we got to be in this three-headed monster talking about this episode of the challenge yeah definitely i mean it was it's actually pretty cool seeing this alliance finally being exposed and talked about on screen because we've

2:48 Heard so much about this from tyson when he's spoken on podcasts about the fact that everybody that's won daley's they sort of try to keep each other safe to get to the end but obviously like we know in the challenge the power of pendulum swings back and forth and different people sometimes get into power so there was definitely a bit of a shake up this week chantal were you excited to see a little bit of a shake up as we go again get as we get closer i guess to the final here absolutely i mean as much as like i love angela i love tyson and i want to see them do well it's also really fun when they have to scramble because like i like seeing them work hard for it i like seeing them having to strategize like at least like i like seeing people putting in a little in a little danger and so all around like the fact that people that haven't had any power this entire game finally did have some power and then the people that usually have power were scrambling i thought it was great like i loved watching it and i loved the outcome like i thought it was all great yeah i liked it as well i'm not a huge fan of dom so i mean i would have rather have been somebody else and i think he should i think of winning this it's only kayla yeah and she didn't really get a lot of talking points in that deliberation i felt like dom was throwing out

4:08 A lot of the names and kayla was just happy to take a shot at anybody but i'm happy that it was they got somebody to sweat i just felt like maybe angela and tyson maybe should have put more of a sweat on than kylan who has already seen an elimination but that's just me i think he did take out a strong competitor in thailand this episode and it was sound reasoning for the most part yeah just want to say hello to everybody here in the live the loyal life listeners we've got lovable nikki chris elijah hector taylor glickman diva 3013 lady dai anthony white so many people jumping here into the live d.b malone christina b as well and sam hidden who was also in the live for the survivors of africa content a little while ago so great to have you back to back here on the podcast great to have you guys here as we talk about episode seven and the algorithm finally putting sarah and tyson together we finally get to see this for me personally i really enjoyed it i liked seeing sarah make tyson squirm a little bit here and chantel it looked like tyson really was trying everything possible not to go into the elimination and sarah really wanted to get in there this whole episode if she didn't win to potentially get the money to run the final do you like the fact that sarah

5:28 You know put a little bit of heat on tyson here and also try to get in there with a strong competitor mind you to go and get her money i mean obviously that's like a tactic like if you're going down and going in to get your money but like then why didn't she make it happen right like i think that she chickened out in the end because like maybe when she saw what it actually was because sarah's not gonna know how many partners marriages madonna has had sarah's not gonna know like all these you know information like how many children angelina jolie has and so i wonder if she decided to say ah maybe this isn't my type of elimination to be throwing being thrown in there because it wasn't a guaranteed win without it being physical strength fruit strike so i think that she was like obviously like making tyson sweat a little bit but i think that she also said like no i don't i don't want to go in this one not this one like when she saw what they're gonna actually have to do so i'm a hit and miss for this tactic for sarah like it's just typical that's what she wanted to do but i don't think that she would actually would have wanted to go through with it i will say that there was a lot left out of this episode if what tyson is saying in his podcast is true like there was a lot more going on between even sarah and ben during this

6:48 Time in the house where they were both kind of questioning each other and if they could trust each other and dom at one point was like tyson had to go up to dom and be like have you guys heard of anything like what's going on between sarah and ben and dom was like i don't know i thought you were in on it and they were acting and trying to get each other thrown in and trying to get each other out and tyson said that he's pretty disappointed that not a lot of the drama that was sh is isn't being shown and by comparison of knowing what was happening behind the scenes and what they're showing in the edit he says that this was a pretty boring episode comparatively even though i think it's one of the better episodes of the season so far but tyson said the whole thing with this one is that how much can you get tyson to sweat when you need him ready to perform in exactly in the elimination with you like you can't make him sweat like he even had to say that he was like are you wanting to go into the elimination let me know if you want to because i'll get mentally prepared for it but you can't just judge this on me or i'm not going to be at my best and we're going to lose so i to me i'm like whatever sarah make him sweat a little bit whatever it's not gonna work yeah i think that tyson would have done good at this i think twice would have been good at the

8:08 Trivia like i feel like tyson's just that guy that does well everything i don't know if he cares enough about pop culture like questions like he might know you know he'll know baker's dozen and maybe how many stomachs a cow has but like i don't think he'll know the pop culture ones that trip them up yeah like the how many singles or what was it how many albums did adele have or something like that like i had no idea i would have figured that one out because i knew the one i would have figured that one out i knew two of them for sure i knew they were all like significant years of her life so i remembered 25 and 30 were the most two recent ones so i probably would have guessed like the other two like i think it's 19 and 21 were the other two years for her so or albums so four but i think what helps tyson and sarah if they were in this elimination is the deductive reasoning because if we looked over to what kyland and kira were doing they were scrambling on stuff that they thought they had 100 locked in like they were questioning if a baker's dozen was 13 and if a cow has four or six stomachs you don't do that if you have those locked in and you're 100 or even 98 sure you do not touch those you start working out what you don't have or what you don't know even what 50 certainty is so if tyson and sarah was in there one

9:28 I think that they have stronger muscles and that they would easily be able to lift those medicine balls and lift each other up i think even sarah could help tyson lift him up to put the i think she'd wanted to step on him so like kick him in the head while she's like climbing on him so i think it would have came down to that and they would have been i think a lot more level-headed to be like okay what do we don't know for a fact adele let's just figure that out it's either four or eight or even the madonna things tyson said that it was he knew it was could have been a trick question of you there was a astronomically high or a trick question to be really low so i think their deductive reasoning skills and their calm under pressure would have helped them in this elimination as well even if they didn't know all the all the answers but she would have won earned enough money because alyssa has qualified oh no it would have split between the two of them so alyssa had what five thousand and then who is she with again leo how much did leo have he probably had a little bit two thousand i believe or two point five thousand started really close but she actually still wouldn't have qualified that's hilarious maybe that's why she decided not to because what's the point of risking your gabe if you're not actually going to qualify hilarious

10:50 Yeah patricia is asking if this is my new permanent background no patricia so i'm actually i'm actually like it's an awesome background love it but i'm all the way in south africa right now visiting family and this is my brother's house and yeah if i could take the background with me to new zealand i would i promise you i really like it as well it's pretty awesome take a picture of it and use it as like a virtual background that's my virtual my virtual wallpaper background in the future let's talk a little bit about i guess you know you guys mentioned alyssa a few times here alyssa she ends up being partnered with leo this whole season she's been begging leah she doesn't want to be partnered with her and then obviously she does get him as a partner here and she's training quite hard she's trying to get to the finale but leo gets a call from home and ultimately finds out that things are going on at home business is not doing so well and he may have to leave the game early which would take alyssa down with him what did you guys think about leo's scenario being out there having the credit cards bounced back at home potentially business going under and his girlfriend telling him you need to leave and then he ends up making executive calls staying is he still with his girlfriend or she just said that's it you didn't come back and help me in this moment of need i mean i don't think that he can be with his girlfriend anymore with how he spoke she spoke to him

12:10 Like and that it was went to air because like i don't know i thought that how she was relaying that information wasn't really coming from a place of love and trying to get things fixed it was i thought it was really it really first thing when i saw her i was like oh my gosh she's so pretty good for you leo like she's gorgeous and then how she was speaking to him i'm like oh my goodness like she's really she's not treating you well in this situation like you are doing something for the business and you're hurt his life and his family and probably one of the reasons why he has this business is because he's been on reality tv a bunch of times and people want to come and see leo from the amazing races restaurant or bar whatever it is and so like to go and then and then just like quit that means that he's probably gonna be done with cbs from now on like so what is a bigger loss being done like cbs not giving you the call anymore or whoever he put in place of his business while he was out of town finding another solution i just thought that i didn't i really didn't appreciate how his girlfriend was handling the situation how he spoke she spoke to him and i felt bad that he was considering leaving because of what she was saying i get it's your business and if something's going on and you're the only person that can handle it feeling the need to come back and fix things but like why doesn't he have things in place it's

13:30 Just a restaurant like i could run a restaurant if i if i had to and somebody was away for six weeks so i'm just not sure why people weren't in place to be able to take care of it for the time he was gone so somebody posted up that leo's girlfriend talked about this on like instagram she put up a post saying that before leo left they had talked to production and they said that they would let him do all of his business calls in the house that he would have enough time like downtime that they he could use the phone whenever they like he wanted to do his business stuff of course they're not going to do that so they kind of like went back on that like oh well you can't use the phone all the time because you gotta play the game and you gotta do other stuff also she said that like it was spliced together everything that was going on that it wasn't just that phone call and then him packing right away it was that those were two different weeks that happened so the phone call that happened and then leo packing were two different times and even gregory washington says here that according to kylan leo had weeks of calls with his girlfriend where she was telling him about things and they still couldn't figure it out so i have a feeling that wasn't just one-off like this

14:50 Was perpetuatingly going on and she also said that she had a full-time job outside of the restaurant business and helping leo doing his thing so it just sounds like a stressful situation all the way around so hearing and knowing the backstory about it i have a like more insight on what she was dealing with and i feel bad for that and how they were putting it together just makes it seem weird i don't like the way that they were like trying to frame it but happy he got to stay decide if leo left who could have been the alternate coming in or if we would have seen a one-on-one elimination and what that could have been maybe put a poll in the middle of the arena and let's go okay let's see it well you know what though like i understand that maybe things were different from what was promised to what ended up happening in the house but if he was able to have several conversations with his girlfriend why couldn't he have had several conversations with whomever he needed to also like my best friend's boyfriend just opened up a restaurant and my best friend is gone to new york this weekend and she's been managing the restaurant and so we like we put our heads together like who can we get to come in and manage the restaurant for the time that she's gonna be weighed next week so i'm gonna be doing a little bit of the work and another friend of ours that we used

16:10 To work with a decade ago is coming in to do a little bit of the managing and it's gonna be fine like i just don't understand what you know what wild things have happened in these six weeks that would not you know allow them to be able to still continue to run or why couldn't you call in a consultant or why it wasn't you know even in toronto we have like a an app called staffy if you want to staff members you could just call you staffy and you can get some a one-night staff member to bartend or waitress or hostess like whatever you need and so i'm just i'm just so surprised that there was nobody that they can call that could help them for the time being yeah christina here says the way they edited it made it look like leo was an incompetent businessman and i think that you know watching this episode and seeing leo struggle with this thing with a girlfriend everything going on at home wanting to leave and then staying to help alyssa a person who's not been his biggest fan in the game you know it just again shows the loyalty that leo has to his partner or not wanting to be the reason someone gets potentially pulled from the game and in my opinion gave me a lot more respect again like i've always liked leo but i felt like something was a little bit off this season and like sam said here maybe this is the reason he's not performing well this season is not fully in the game where maybe in previous seasons when he did the amazing race things were in order and he didn't have to worry

17:30 About what was going on outside of the game but he has maybe he had a different girlfriend like maybe his girlfriend was more capable of handling his business affairs while he was gone in the past yeah saying is that it seems like the show needed their drama for the episode and storyline for you that wasn't cat related then they took advantage of this business problem wasn't this a question about how many lives does a cat have still in the elimination they still got the cat jokes in there somehow in any case yeah so i mean that was the that was the big story and alyssa sort of having to go out there saying that you know she didn't sleep while going into the daily and felt really stressed that he was gonna leave and potentially that could mean she's out of the game but the daily here you know drew you've always had a lot of opinions about these dailies with the cars did you enjoy this one more than some of the previous ones that we've seen in the past where they just have to do like a donut in a circle or something very stationary did you like this daily and the fact that it was sort of bumper cars with the balloons or the things that they had pop and they had to remove them to be able to eliminate other people while blindfolded and the second person telling them directions of where to drive yeah i loved it i loved this daily challenge i mean it was very mario kart balloon battle and even though tyson says that it only went

18:50 On for five to ten minutes because the cars kept shutting down and they had to keep on restarting everybody because like multiple cars just died right off the bat and they had to reposition everybody and go forward again i thought the way they frankensteined all the the rounds together to make it seem like everybody was really doing a lot going longer i love the camera angles the slow motions of the cars hitting the barrels i mean it was just really fun to watch it was a fun daily challenge that didn't take itself too seriously i'm happy that it we don't have another water challenge for a little while at least for this episode because we've been getting a lot of water daily challenges and being on buildings as well so it was nice to see people have to use communication to help each other out as well as just it was fun it was just a fun challenge and then seeing people like ben get super angry because he does this at home i race cars in my backyard i drive on dirt i do this thing and it's cut off t-shirt they definitely cut off the sleeves himself and him getting frustrated it was just really good i just really wish danny and justine would have won they came in second place so bad like i was like please danny i just want you to qualify already and i want justine do it for kiki yeah please do it for kiki i mean i liked this daily as well but

20:10 Maybe not as much as you drew because i felt like it would have been more fun to participate in as opposed to just watching so i couldn't really tell all the time like who was in the lead or who was with you like you could see like the crashing and stuff like that happening and i love the banter inside the vehicles and that was all fun but like i couldn't necessarily tell who was doing well and or not and so it was kind of a little bit hard for me to follow but all in all it was it was a decently fun and a little bit different than we have been getting lately so i'll give it like a seven yeah i agree i enjoyed it i enjoyed it a lot i liked even that little commentary that dom and kayla had with dom said you know kayla kind of reminds him of his wife screaming at him in the car whenever he's driving directions and he's got to try and go there you know i quite like that and the fact that it sort of makes it like drew said about communication about doing something that i don't think people won't practice at home to drive blindfolded unless you're killing right colin's the only one who had experience doing with this with his mates apparently blindfolding or driving blindfolded out there so it kind of allowed for a team like dom and kayla potentially to win zodoman here says right it was a nice change because of the last past few seasons all stars this main show it just always feels like similar challenges i really enjoyed how different it was from

21:30 That as well the hangout room says drew please talk like being the whole episode i second this i will say that i do want to throw this out there sarah was the only woman to drive the car and tyson says that he would rather have his wits about him and sarah was all for driving and then tyson said he was trying to like trying to go around some of the safety precautions because he felt he felt claustrophobic in there but he would undo his harness a little bit so he could look behind him a little bit easier and then he didn't buckle up his chin strap on his helmet because he wanted to rip that thing off as soon as he was like done with the challenge but i just thought that was interesting that sarah was the only woman that decided that they were going to drive as i it sounded like all the men were like she called an explanation and tyson was like no thank you not at all no but sarah you know sarah was like i'm driving he saw her a little bit where she's like i do this at work like every day like i feel like i'm just like dancing like i'm just like we get it sarah you're a cop you drive defensive driving offensive driving i get it trained but i just couldn't would never be able to see her like i get to see her i could actually see her screaming at tyson but i don't think that she would ever let that scenario or dynamic actually happen he imagined her just like yelling

22:50 At tyson like it wouldn't have been it wouldn't have worked yeah i don't think i don't think she would have been calm in her communication where that was one of the things that who was it was a kayla who said she was going to remain calm throughout it not be too chaotic just so the dom can hear the directions and it seemed to work because there was a lot of shouting going on people started to try and get across the noise of all the cars running but one thing i didn't understand with this challenge when it was happening is that not all of them had all of their balloons popped and a few of them it seemed like the cars just stopped because it was hit too hard and then it was like black smoke coming out and i was thinking to myself if i was production and i wanted to manipulate certain people going out sooner this is a way you could do it because it wasn't clear how that worked why did the car die when someone hit it very hard and the black smoke came out so that was the only dodgy thing that i saw in the challenge tyson said that these cars were like 50 years old and they were just sputtering and so a lot of they he said that they had to restart two to three times because even just when tj blew the horn the cars would just stop and so over half the people would stop right off the bat and tj said that we were going to have to get everybody out of the cars set them back up and then having to like jump start them again so

24:10 He said that these were super old cars they were antiques and they were ready to die in at any moment so it's almost like a luck of the draw as well and that's why you saw a lot of people like driving in a circle because once like the third time around they were like if we don't get hit or if we don't hit anything we might just be able to coast to the end type of thing instead of like in hoping that another card dies out instead of trying to hit somebody's balloons which could ultimately kill your car in the in the meantime yeah it also seemed to be like the black smoke was like an after effect like because it didn't it didn't happen immediately it seemed like maybe like you know cut okay like the pa runs over like puts the black smoke in that little pipe thing and then like okay and action like so i don't know something felt weird yeah it felt awful timing of it wasn't like crash smoke it was like crash pause smoke so i don't know i don't know if it was if the smoke coming out was indicative of the crash or if it was something that was placed in after the thani mail fellow youtube content creator and also i believe you've recently spoken to him drew on your channel or was it on the thunder mills channel where you spoke about the usa the challenge usa

25:31 Mid season it was mine we just had your channel this past tuesday yeah it says giant bumper cars with real cars is such a cool concept it's like toys basically for grown-ups right that they're having out there like you said it's like mario kart playing mario kart out there but ultimately alyssa and leo they got it wrong they drive into a sand hill or something like that they're out of the early on so after all this effort that alyssa did of keeping her in the game they're still gonna go into an elimination so alyssa thought she couldn't sleep the previous night she's got another sleepless night ahead of her because she doesn't know if leo's gonna quit or not give us all in the elimination and she's stressed and worried about that but you know ultimately dom does win for the first time he's got a little bit of power and i know there's i don't know why there's so much of the survivor players that both you and drew don't like but i really enjoyed seeing dom win this one because i was like yes let's see what he does with this palette he was paired with cache like it was it was a very specific event that made the dawn disliking happen and but i was definitely happy with the change up i'm just not that big of a fan of dom at this point he has to redeem himself still for me sorry cut you off yeah this is what i don't get and explain this to me i love cachet but i also love dom and i'm like just because i like dom and kesha and dom

26:51 Had this issue why do we just like write them off for the rest of the season now because they had a personality clash i don't think it's a personality clash that i have a problem with i have a problem with how he was treating her and so that's part of his personality and that's part of his the way that he thinks about people and the way that he treats people and so as i saw a character flaw in him that i don't enjoy and so now that kind of paints my vision of him as a person so it has nothing to do with him and cashier but it's what i've seen about him that i don't particularly like anymore i would say that this is a good character arc for him in this episode because if we remember with him being on cache he's like i don't take orders i give them i'm a construction worker and then in this one he's like oh make me go blind and now i'm gonna get yelled at by kayla and luckily he took direction from a woman really well this episode and look where it got him it got him the win so good job yeah they ended up working well together the one thing for me i mean and again like i mean it's so hard these shows are such a short edited show 40 minutes like we don't see full conversations we don't know what happens behind the scenes we've only seen him have an issue with cachet so far so i don't know if he treats all people that way and that's why i'm saying i feel like it's a personality clash

28:11 But maybe he does i'm not saying he doesn't it's just i would rather just see the season play out to see if he's treating everybody like each other it's not his confessionals and his confessions is there a reason for him to lie to us about his misogyny and how he like doesn't really respect seemingly women in the game at that point so i you can love him love him all you want yeah i'll let him know chris lovable nikki say dominic talk to kesha as though she was beneath him i didn't like that either like i'm not i'm not i'm not saying that will seem like you do it's you no enjoy like christina be saying i've not seen dom survivor season but watching him here it seems obvious why wendell won yeah but he did he did end up going into a tie so it was by four i believe he if he i don't like know all the behind the scenes of that particular season but literally though the what was her name what was her name yeah laurel i think it was tomorrow or something she got third place third place and because it was a tie she was able to cast her vote on who she wanted to win and she probably didn't have a good relationship with don because dom probably didn't respect her or treat her kindly and wendell did in this in the season and it's not it's not accurate it's not it's not accurate laurel had a very close bond with both of them and she said when she went for the vote now

29:31 She actually said this so you know if we're going to take dom by what he said to cachet so seriously in a 40-minute episode we have to take laurel seriously for what she said we should get the vote she said it's like choosing between two brothers but she's going to vote for wendell because she had a closer relationship with wendell but she didn't have a problem with dom there well do you know that definitively from what well from what we've seen on the show yes i think there's a very big possibility that some of the things that we didn't see was that she he wasn't as she didn't get along with him as well as she got along with wendell and maybe it's like two brothers and one brother is treats you nicer one brother doesn't but i do feel as though her relationship with wendell was better because he treated her obviously yeah obviously she voted for hermane but she never said that she didn't like dom so i don't want you to paint that narrative of that season on him because that's not accurate from the season ghost island that i've seen but i hear you on that most people here agree with you by the way they absolutely despise them danita gibson's dom seem to respect only certain females in the game angela kayla and cash wasn't one of them i just feel like we are so reactionary these days when somebody does one thing let's write them off for the rest of time there's bad things say that as a white man but like as a black woman i can see that she might it's a little bit different the

30:51 Way that she was speaking to her so you know you can have your perspective i'm not yeah i'm not in the u.s so yeah somebody that is triggered by the way that he's speaking to her i have a problem with him and you could not have involved with him because it doesn't trigger you it doesn't affect you and that's fine and fair but it does for me and it does for a lot of people that are watching no listen most people are agreeing with you and i don't want to i don't want to minimize it and 100 i mean obviously there are certain nuances that i'm not aware of may probably because i'm not an american i don't live in america i don't see the same tensions on a daily basis i might not see it i might not see it that way and i didn't realize that is what you mean and how it came across i was more just thinking that you didn't take her seriously because of the show she came from and that's sort of why i was thinking maybe i was like but i think that part of it i think that part of it could be i don't know for sure but seeing the way that he treated her was different than he treated some of the white women like it just it just it's just as a fact and so like you know it could be because of the show that she was on but it also could be the color of her skin you know it just it's triggering and i just didn't like how she treated her for whatever yeah that's fair i mean i didn't i didn't realize we were gonna

32:11 Go this deep into the dom conversation because to be honest you know he's not my favorite character of the season i've just wanted to dive into nah not even close not even close you know you know my favorite character in fact i've absolutely loved kailan this season who you also dislike so it's like everybody like you don't like so but for valid reason i'm not just like disliking people because like oh i don't like the way that they act in the game like he was pretty really misogynistic when on his big brother season like so much so that i didn't want to watch the show anymore and i stopped covering the season because i did not appreciate how kylan and xavier were acting with the other members of black women of the cookout and how they were completely treating them as less than and so that was like completely like i was like i was writing them off i'm like i didn't like them at all but i was giving them a chance it was a new show he'd done his homework and it i wasn't quite i was trying not to take my past feelings about him to this show but i still don't think that he's a good guy like i think that he's learned a little bit and i think that he put in a lot of work to do better for the challenge but i still saw some you could still see some of his misogyny when he was interacting with kira and how he was as a partner and so i'm still not

33:31 A fan but it's not as bad as i don't dislike him as much as i did when i watched him on big brother yeah this fear gregory here says dom says one of the reasons he lost is because the close he got to the end was he was mean to sebastian which is true he did treat sebastian really bad that season and people didn't like that i mean that was clear to see on the show as well and then chris also he says exactly it's such a different perspective to see that behavior as a woman that happens all the time so that's just being disrespected for being a woman and having an opinion and not giving them the credit and i guess both dom and kylan kind of falls into that category it makes you well i guess you know that makes you wonder why do they put people like this on the show it's because of the drama that it creates right yeah and i wanted to say something to add into this the one of the reasons why i feel like dom is rubbing me the wrong way is his power issue it seems like he always wants to be in control and i feel like that's also plays a factor in why he probably lost survivor is that when you play a game like this there's so many so many variables that you can't control on a daily basis on an hourly basis so when he got power it just seemed like it took over everything and it and it kind of put kayla who also won and was a major factor in why they

34:51 Won kind of in the shadows a little bit i mean dom was taken over the edit of whether he was he was the one throwing out names and kayla wasn't really saying much except in the confessionals and then even talking about kyland i mean the major reason why kayla wanted to throw in kyland was because he didn't give her the one-on-one time that maybe he thought that oh i'm talking to both of them at the same time that's good enough but i also think that there was multiple times that it looked like angela talked to both kayla and dom one-on-one separately even together so it wasn't that respect given to kayla who had a big factor into why dom and kayla won as well as dom wanted to take the revenge but it just seemed like both men have this like control like prowess like they just want the power and it just really seemed to kind of shadow put kayla in the shadows a little bit even though this was her win too and we didn't really get to see her in the edit she definitely she definitely won that for them i don't think that he would have won that with a lot of other people yeah and you guys know my thoughts on kayla absolutely love her i think she's an amazing person to have on the season i thought strategically this season she well this episode she was doing as good as she could

36:11 In regards to managing dom and then also trying to get something that's going to work for her which is to get someone in the elimination that has not spoken game to her at all which she identified as kailan so again there is something there's a tendency shown here where kylin didn't even respect her enough to have a simple game conversation with her again i don't know maybe that is just too coincidental that it's just another female in the game that he's not talking game with at this point and that they're not having those types of one-on-ones well if we look at his behavior on big brother 23 you know i felt that tiffany was the strongest person in the game and especially in the cookout and she was the one that was really putting things together and making the alliance and like she i think she did all the work and highland and xavier gave her zero credit for it they said basically that she didn't do anything that's why she got kicked out sixth place because kyle wanted to go to the end with who he thought was the best and the most deserving he wanted to be like superman and batman going head-to-head at the end and didn't think that tiffany was somebody that deserved to be in that position so she could easily be discarded and so that's just kind of how i feel he feels about women a lot of women in this these games

37:32 That haven't proven themselves to him in a way and it's just it's just i find it to be very unlikable and i wouldn't want to be playing a game with him and it also shows that's still something that he kind of is working through with the fact that he didn't feel that he needed to respect kayla enough to have conversations with her before she was in any sort of power that she he didn't he didn't think that she deserved to have you know any sort of conversations and it's just kind of indicative of how he is as a player and how he treats his female competitors as a player or he doesn't i don't think he considers them competitors unless they're angela yeah christina here brings up an interesting point she says challenging mtv has a lot of misogyny issues with the male cast as well so drew what is it that brings misogynistic men to the challenge what motivates them to play this game well first of all it's production that brings them on to the show and it's probably because of stuff that they've seen from the previous seasons where they want that drama they want that stress brought into the house they want that somebody that can pop off the quote unquote alpha male i mean instantly when you think of misogyny or at least when i think of misogyny i instantly think of zach not just because i'm thinking about making a video on him and why he can't win except past his rookie season and why he hasn't doing

38:52 A full breakdown on that it's it plays a factor into him being reactionary him being the guy that has to be in charge and has to put whoever his partner is down but it's those sound bites it's the fights that he could get into with other men because he doesn't seem he sees them as beta or he see they see he sees them as not worthy enough and then of course he's getting girls like jenna because of his looks but not by his personality or pop maybe he's more charismatic when where the cameras aren't seeing him but i don't know i don't get it but it's the way these guys hold themselves they're probably good athletically i mean if we're taking the example of zach for the most part he's good athletically he was playing arena football i mean sub football kind of thing but it's the what they bring to the show is the drama but it's not good drama it's not the drama that is their healthy drama but there's no it's not healthy it's not great on whoever his partner is whoever's in the house it doesn't fuel a good competition it just makes everything more toxic but toxic and

40:12 Game-based drama it's hard to see the blurred lines that production sees it's just drama it's just under one giant thing of drama and they're like that's good enough if we can't get one and ensure one will have the other type of thing and that's what i think that production sees in these types of guys is that they're way more outspoken they're way more critical and they get those sound bites i mean i can't tell you how many people will combat zach for the way he treats his partners but then go but i love his confessionals his confessionals are so good during the it's like okay well what are you doing like you're gonna have your cake and eat it too you're gonna come condemn him for the way he talks about john a or calls women swamp donkeys or whatever but oh i loved when he was talking great in those confessionals on war of the worlds too we hate paulie but i loved zach because he makes fun of bali it's like no i would rather none i would rather none of zack than half good half bad no and i think also though we've been conditioned like as a society and as watchers of reality tv that we enjoy toxic drama right like that's kind of what gets rewarded that's what gets the headlines and so i think that it's become what we're used to and that we're like the production

41:33 Doesn't even see it as bad until it's too late until it's already aired and people are complaining about it i don't think that they're able to recognize when it's talks too toxic or toxic bad or toxic masculinity or they don't see it until after the backlash happens and so and they don't seem to know how to course correct and don't seem to know how to choose players that don't display these traits or they don't want to and they're just kind of like well let's see what happens and then we'll deal with it after the case like after something blows up or whatever so i think that production really facilitates and allows these type of players to come on to the show and it's just kind of what we're conditioned to right we're you know the fact that we're kind of having a disagreement on someone being really shitty towards women like why are we having to scream about that like that should be you know common that like we should all be like no that shouldn't be what we accept and what's allowed and like we should be putting our foot down but there's a discrepancy here because it's something that we're familiar with and that's something that not everybody gets reprimanded for it's interesting and they also you know being on a reality tv show in some ways they become role models to younger kids watching this with their parents and

42:53 Things like that and they're like ah okay well corey does this so i can do it or zach does this so i can do it when i grow up so i don't know if they necessarily sign up knowing that's what they become but i'm sure they do become role models to certain younger people watching these shows as they grow up and then the cycle repeats itself it's okay to treat people like that like even that season i can't remember which one when nelson was just yelling at kayla about like and it wasn't even true having sex in the porta potty and complete season 38 35 and so like you know the fact that like that was okay like you know nobody really stood up for her not how i think that they should have production definitely should have stepped in like it's completely inappropriate to slut-shame her and be yelling at her and it had absolutely nothing to do with her and it wasn't even true but nelson still will be given that paycheck every year and he's you know everybody wants to root for nelson you know nelson nelly has to get his win and like he kind of is a shitty person a lot of the time and so it's just sometimes it's really frustrating to watch and that's kind of why the dom situation is just like it's just those qualities that come out and how he was treating her it just was like it was triggering uncomfortable and i just didn't enjoy it so yeah that's fair i mean i think for

44:13 Me because when i watch these shows i do watch it for entertainment purposes only sometimes i don't take it as seriously but i can see that if you've watched it for as long as you have and you've seen these different trends followed for years and years and years that it can just be an accumulation of seeing a lot of different bad behaviors and just saying i've had enough so the next person to do it you're done i get it and i think maybe for me coming into the show sometimes just watching it at that more casual viewpoint of just oh it's a show i'm watching it for entertainment i think it's just sort of what you go and sort of expecting but i definitely don't condone how he treated her and i fully appreciate that i didn't even look at it from a different angle which you explained you know he maybe gave more respect to kayla i don't know compared to cash that's a valid point we didn't see the same arguments and that's a different question in itself you know why is that the case that he respected her more was it because they actually won something together or was it something different was it a personality thing i don't know but i do hope that we get to see more interviews from cash and dom on the issue to give us more often understanding of some of the things that happen behind the scenes because otherwise in my mind it's speculation but i don't know i definitely don't want to say that there isn't more because there definitely could be it's just i just don't want to

45:33 I don't want to condemn this guy it could have been conscious too like i'm not i'm not saying that you know he was i just think that what he was doing and how he was doing it was triggering and i didn't appreciate seeing that side of his personality yeah so what did you guys think of the move ultimately you know they do ultimately go after kyle and here in the spot cara sadly is going to be you know a victim of the fact that she has partnered with kailan and the spot did you like this did you like the fact that he made this move or do you think that this was not a great move i thought it was the move because you know i thought that it's better for him don to get out kylan as somebody at one of these the three head monster get out one of these guys and it would be safer for him like running the final because like he can't he definitely can't beat kylan so getting out someone like him would be a pretty decent move and if you know leo and alyssa come back like they're not going to be really that vengeful i don't think about like who they put in against them so i think that i think that it was the right move to do i'm actually surprised by the outcome but i was happy with the outcome absolutely and so i think that all in all it ended up definitely being a very great move for both of them and unfortunately kira

46:54 She doesn't really bring that much she's beautiful and [Music] that's kind of all that she brought this season not even like good confessionals not like not that great athletically she's just kind of like a filler partner and the one time that she could have maybe done really well when she was with tyson she was super sick and so that was also like kind of unfortunate i did hear though it was because maybe the vegan options were people got sick from because i think angela also got sick from whatever they'd eaten gross i thought if he wanted to take a shot a big move this week and he wanted to take a shot at the three-headed monster this was the real only option that he had there's no reason to try to take out angela even though she put him in that's still somebody that he could possibly run and have another partner again yeah he got second place twice as partners when they the both times that they were partners so i mean they work well with each other regardless so that wouldn't make any sense then he has he's getting really close with sarah so i know he wants to take a shot at tyson but actually sarah helped like shield him because i'm sure he would have wanted to take it if i say tyson and kira were partnered up he would definitely take that shot at tyson at that point but

48:14 I think this was the move kylan already took the shot at him already kind of like put him in and i think that this was the right move i think this was really good and i like the fact that we didn't talk about it because we were talking a lot about dom and kylan but also we get to see a little bit more of the house dynamics with some people like kayla and dom winning where angela was like oh i have to have conversations with these two players that i really haven't had a conversation with i mean we're this far in where like halfway through this season and she's never had a conversation really with kayla and now she's like oh well now i'll finally have some conversations and some game talks so we get to see a little bit more of like the idea of angela who was like i've won the first two out of the first three challenges i could just coast on this thing i got tyson as my friend i don't have to make any new friends and that's not how you really play the game but i mean i think that's how she played big brother as well if i'm remembering correctly she kind of got sucked in with the other tyler and casey and then that side of the house just ran everything so i mean she didn't really have to go too far out to be like i'm gonna make friends and i have to make friends and now she's like i gotta i guess i gotta put something some effort into this now well i think also

49:34 With you know tyson saying he broke the algorithm by having all the winners as soon as like you're a winner and you have money now the winners stick together and they also weren't letting the people that weren't winners know that they have this kind of secret alliance and so that could also be another reason why she wasn't talking to people that hadn't won a challenge yet just because it's kind of like there's a little bit of a separation like let's just keep them not knowing what we're doing here and that we have an alliance here and so that could also be another reason why she didn't speak to basically people outside of her alliance but i do have to say that considering she doesn't talk that much to people that are outside of her alliance and she doesn't game i thought she came in with a pretty good deal i was like yes angela you're like listen like it's very possible that i could win another one of these challenge i can promise and guarantee you that i'm not coming for you and whatever she did the same thing with dom and i thought that was a very strong pitch and it wasn't someone it wasn't a pitch that came off desperate at all it came off pretty factual and like i would be taking her up on that offer absolutely so you know considering she doesn't do that many wheeling wheel and wheeling and dealing like i thought she did a pretty good job with both of them yeah she definitely didn't want to go into the elimination with enzo and she felt like he was going to be going into this elimination and like we saw you could be

50:54 A great competitor and still get taken out just because of your partner and in this elimination the two you know different teams that go in there with leo obviously an alyssa and then you've got kyra and also kylan gunn in there i think that leo really proved himself he had a lot of heart he fought really hard to pick alyssa up but alyssa was really the superstar having had done some cheerleading gymnastics having a good call being able to get that big ball up there where kyra was really struggling to get a hold of it no matter what kailan did from her his end lifting her up she like you said she's fallen flat this season when it comes to her challenge capabilities sadly and even personality-wise like she's probably a nice girl but i don't feel like she brought that much when her ex ended up leaving the show it was kind of like oh yeah that girl from love island but if you look at the others justine and cash and even shannon they were all great choices this season they're all a lot of fun to watch i mean and i guess it's also indicative of how i enjoyed them on their season i didn't really care for kyra on her season of love island but i was a super fan of both justine and cachet so that's probably they just have personality both of those two and that just they included like they were the stars of both of their seasons in my opinion anyways

52:15 Yeah what did you think of the drew what did you think of this elimination did you like the fact that they had to do this physical component get the balls answer the trivia questions did you like how they did this i did i actually really enjoyed this style of elimination it was physical plus trivial and i thought that it was actually really well balanced i mean we were talking about or you mentioned alyssa and kira struggling to get those balls up and yet they found the strength at one point i was like it doesn't seem like one of them's gonna not be able to like actually get the ball up i felt like maybe kyland at one point was just gonna have to try to like lay it up and just like have to try to throw this 25 pound up there because it just didn't seem like hero was going to even get the ball up there but she was able to do it no matter what i mean after even switching out multiple times i mean she was able to find the strength and same with alyssa so i'm very impressed by both of these women just finding the strength even when it seemed like they were just like had all the wind knocked out of them so i really enjoyed this elimination it was very close i think tj was being a little too jubilant out there being like this was the best elimination

53:35 I've ever seen yeah it's like i feel like i could name off five eliminations off the top of my head that were really good that you might be forgetting tj i've done this for a lot of years i have to say that though listening to some of their exit press that they so what had they were in the lead for most of it and they had when they got there against their first check they were way ahead of alyssa and leo and so they were tripped up on madonna's marriages and so they said that they just kept on switching that one up switching that one out and going up in numbers and so i believe that they started at four and they were going up and the next one that they were going to try i believe was 13 and if like 13 wasn't going to work then they were going to start going down and so when they were going to try or maybe they're at 13 they're going to go down some around there anyways is that when the when the horn blew and that the other team had won but they had they were done but they just had the incorrect number there and they just have to they kept on switching it out and if they had gone down instead of going up they would have probably won yeah i quite enjoyed it i was very surprised as well when tj said this was like one of the best eliminations ever i'm like what are you talking about it was good it was fun but one of the best eliminations ever i was like

54:55 Okay yeah what sorry which one's better but i just i'm just curious like i'm not i'm not challenging personally but the one that always stands out in my mind is jordan beating josh with one arm and the tug of war like i mean that was just insane to watch you know and that's one that always stands out to me johnny bananas backpack grape one as well there's great eliminations out there i would say and not condoning it but it's not and it's also not because i have zach on the brain because i talked about him but in battle of the seasons 2012 it was zack and team san diego versus team cancun in a hall brawl and they went to sudden death and they went to sudden death of sudden death and they went all three rounds in sudden death and that was incredible like that it to me is one of the most thrilling eliminations ever and it would have been way better if cj would have won but it was it was really a great one and so is derek versus joss [Laughter] there's a few out there i'm sure that like i yeah i think there's a few that we could but i mean it was fun for the most part like jews just like he likes the headbangers and i'm like i'm like i love them like doing trivia questions and tipping up the medicine ball yeah

56:15 Definitely i mean i definitely remember seeing some of those hall brawls being like oh my god it's so excited a hall brawl is happening and it used to come at like the time where like two people needed to go head to head they just happened to be the two people going head to head in a hall brawl so i think that they for me hall brawls they kind of overplayed them so that like i'm not really excited for them at all anymore and it's usually not a good matchup anymore but that's just me deniso's got a point though she says maybe tj means out of partner illuminations that was the better one because we haven't really mentioned too many you got to specify that he said ever and that just but maybe it's just like results oriented maybe i don't know and mine was partners they just did it in separate heats and rounds all right should we get into the points for this round where are we sitting on the i guess point system i don't have the tier list ready like i would normally have because i'm not on my normal computer so i can't bring that up but if you talk us through it hopefully we can go from there yeah definitely i mean you lost kyland so that's one person off from you and then we have from i think me akira kira left so i have four players left in the game so does chantal and then

57:35 Chris you have six players left in the game wow really strong there so coming in third place or staying at third place i should say is me i went up 25 points so from 161 to 186 i still not have hit into the 200s yet my leading scorer of course is justine and then leo with 37 now that he has a few confessionals he got like nine confessionals and this elimination win so he got me quite a few points this episode but i'm still in the 100s going up only 10 points this week and now in second place is team chantel you went from 215 to 225. and you yeah that i mean did you lose anybody no you did not lose anybody so tyson didn't get a whole lot of confessionals angela either and cashe was relatively quiet along with desi so all those guys can jessie get a win i need to get some points here desi come on i mean she won last time she was right sorry i forgot

58:57 And roaring in from second place last week who when you were at 207 to chantal's 215 you come roaring in this week with 55 total points going from 207 to 262 taking a very strong lead with the most competitors left in the game you have dominic now as one of your top leading scorers you have alyssa at 43 as your top leading scorer dominic with 40 and then right behind her is kayla with 39 and sarah at 38. i mean just a dominating performance right now 262. chantelle's 225 and i'm 186. i'm pretty much dead in the water but wow yeah that is crazy i like honestly that i'm just not used to having so much players left in the game at the stage of the season so it is a weird feeling and i kind of feel like i could still be that person that just flops over at the end like it's just too good to be true i don't know what's happening but i have some people that could win still i think you have still have a pretty strong like i know a lot of people here don't want to hear it but i still think sarah's got a chance especially if she gets to the final because she runs ultra marathons this is literally going to be what this is going to be her bread and butter when she gets there and we also know that the skill set can she do math like that's what

1:00:17 We need to know that's fair that's fair that's fair because you could be a one-trick pony and be really good at it but if you can't do that stuff then i don't know i don't know if she very athletic and she's a very strong partner to have but she has been with tyson she has been with ben two people that she would consider to be strong partners and still flops so she's the common denominator in all these losses in my opinion which means to me that her skill set is not that broad and that she's not capable of shining who cares what partner that she has and so i don't know i mean i think she'll be able to run absolutely she'll be able to climb that mountain if that's what they're doing for sure but some of them brought about pencils and yeah she'll ride a bike sure but some of the puzzles and like math stuff if they do any of that other stuff i don't know if she'll be able to hack it angela's definitely the front runner in my mind like i mean she's also getting a lot of confessionals every single episode so like if i had to say like a winner's edit i feel like angela's getting that and it's hard to look past tyson like but i just don't want it to be true that you get both winners that would not be good oh god you guys are telling us like angela or whatever angela who what's wrong with angela

1:01:38 I was like she's strong and then she's even stronger than i that i knew she was to be strong i didn't did stunt work and stuff like that which is a lot of training and that shows that she has no fear and that she's willing to just like give a tattoo oh i thought you're showing us like your tattoo of like angels oh no no [Laughter] i got kiki tattooed on my hair no i'm reading the chat right now [Laughter] yeah there's a there's a few people that are sort of saying angela and dc is the two players to watch out for the girls and then for the guys i think tyson justine definitely justine's another you see the thing with justine that she's just not getting enough confessionals like we should be seeing more of her if she's going to be the person who's going to win it in my mind she's my front runner at the at this moment she's won the most money so i'm just holding out hope that she can pull it out yeah now i know why i was sort of teamed on because apparently he's my top point getter so i'm like yeah bring me the points i'll take i'll take the dirty points anyway i can all right guys i think as we go here my battery is about to run flat and here's the funny thing being over here right now i've got one plug converter to the new zealand plug so i'm like

1:02:58 In between therefore my camera and my laptop so i have to go grab another one over the weekend so i don't run out of time for next week but it's been great talking to you about this week hopefully you know next week i'll have it a little bit better sorted out i'm still getting used to the time zones and everything we can chat for a little bit longer and i'll have a second plug so we can actually go for a little bit longer as well but i think we got through most of the main talking points unless you guys think there's anything we missed the only thing that comes to my mind is tj is saying he wants to switch things up at the end of this episode where he kind of shuts down the algorithm and then thinking about the theories i think they could be going to a more solo game or more of a free agent style game where they swap up like the format of the daily challenges and how people go into the elimination but that's what i think or they're gonna let them pick their partners but i think it's gonna be more of a solo game possibly i think they'll make them pick their partners so they did that for the first episode already so it seems as though they're changing it up for something new i was also thinking yeah i can i can definitely see them doing more free agent style solo game at this point moving forward but i'm thinking that it seemed unless it was a lot of different cuts from the actual final i it seemed like it might be a mini final next week which will also be really great and so maybe it'll actually just be

1:04:18 A purge so maybe it's like all everybody for themselves and they're going to purge a couple of couples so or a couple of people so yes few different i mean a few different directions that could go with this it should be exciting to see next week what they decide to do and yeah i think that's sort of the episode 12 as well i think tyson oh really said 12. he said there's like more episodes so it's either going to be i was banking on 12 but possibly 12 or 13 depending on how the finals run and everything so but 12 seems to be in line for when the last wednesday for big brother is so it seems like that'll be it and then that sunday is big brother finale so that would pretty much cap it off perfectly if they went to 12 episodes and i wouldn't be surprised now also if it does go to a solo game that it's like men's elimination women's elimination men's elimination women's elimination or something like that because it looks like next week is going to be a hall brawl and so maybe it's just going to be a men's only hall brawl i don't know i'm here for it definitely let me sort of close this off here before my battery goes completely flat if you guys want to see more content for the challenge check out reality realness here on youtube with three s's check out angel cake entertainment for all your challenge

1:05:38 Content as well and the nullified take channel thank you so much for everyone for your participation in the live i should be a little bit more awake and should be a little bit more prepared by the time we hit this next week and we talk about episode 8 but it was a great recap and i'll catch you guys next time bye