The Wheel of Time: Season 2 Episode 7 Review

0:01 Foreign [Music] [Music] [Music] laughs [Music] [Music] welcome back to the nullify Tech Channel on YouTube where I'm your host Chris and we've got the TNT takes for you on Wheel of Time episode 7 that's right I'm back with my co-host wool #wool of concussion yes the amount of people that seem to just get pushed against walls and can cust in this show lately has just been yeah but a lot of violence and

1:21 Andrei Lee and the live with five dollars right off the bat thank you so much Andrea Lee I'm gonna butcher this but he says which I think I had a look at it at translates in the old tongue to luck carry me through it sounds like something that Matt would say well yes very much so very much hey I'm getting good at this I'm getting good at this I'm starting to spot it I'm starting to get used to the character traits that each one of these characters have and we're getting somewhere and this was a fun episode like every single episode that we're getting it's building up momentum and speed one of the things that I hope and wish for moving into the next season I know we haven't concluded this season yet is that we don't have like this full of momentum in the first two or three episodes again going into the next season because a lot of the times with shows back in the day I very much remember this there used to be like the first couple episodes were like really interesting then there's like a big Lull in the middle that's when we used to get like 20 episodes for a show and then right at the end it would be exciting again and then it would be like back to the LOL so I just hope they can keep this momentum right Paul yeah it's that sort of that pattern that they have and that's I suppose that's probably a clutch or strip script writers themselves they'll

2:41 Have that set Arc for a season whereas I suppose this they're using the book material to try and work out how they can go from story to story and sort of telling so yeah I hope it's not too prescriptive in that respect but you just don't know but you know definitely it shows are generally quite prescriptive of how they roll yeah Lena says wow because we're live and Danica's asking us what is the not the next non-reality show that we're going to be watching so that oh Danica should say so that she can be prepared for it we actually just spoke about it before going live we're thinking of covering House of dragons the Game of Thrones offshoot next and what we might do dedicated if you haven't watched the first season both myself and will watch the first three episodes and then lost momentum because life got busy but because we're going to be covering it we might do a re-watch of season one and then do a podcast a couple of podcasts on that like a conclusion of what thought of the first season in preparation for the next season because I think the next season is around February or March next year so there's plenty of time still before that comes out and then if you feel Brave you know Michael lucky on the channel he's going to be covering Ahsoka pretty soon he's doing a season review for Star

4:01 Wars so if you're a Star Wars fan that's something else you can get into dollar is saying oh I'm so looking forward to this discussion this episode had me going it was a good episode wasn't it Dolores yes rewatch podcast definitely will do that Danica says do I have to have watched Game of Thrones first no it helps but it's a standalone story so where Game of Thrones would help you as it will it'll give you immediately a point of reference of who these different factions are what the world's about but we can talk about that in the podcast as well because I don't need to do a bit of research as well because I will I was one that didn't watch Game of Thrones when everyone else did so I didn't spend years watching it I waited till it was all done and dusted and then binged it in about a week oh wow so will I be the experienced one on that well we'll be good I'm not a book reader so you'll have the book stuff but yeah you can you can definitely get into it without having seen the show that's a it's a standalone show it takes place like a couple of thousand years or a thousand years before the Game of Thrones events in any case Dora said Yes House of dragons oh goodness I love it so much there we go no denica I did that one first then I binged Game of Thrones and listening to some of their dialogue really helped in my opinion okay so yeah there's a lot of there's a lot of seasons to watch for Game of Thrones I don't feel like you need to watch it but

5:21 If you wanted to you could go back I think it's like 10 Seasons or something like that so it's got you've got until February so if you get bored you know yeah it was yeah I want to spoil anything for you because you haven't watched Game of Thrones but yeah maybe watch it because we baseball stuff you know in the in the recap I'd say but let's get into Wheel of Time we'll very interesting start here to the episode we get a flashback 20 years back to win Moraine and Swan were in the White Tower and this was prior to her becoming the seat you know the ambulance seat and they're there they're having a discussion there you can just see in the way that they're sort of in each other's company that they're enjoying life they don't have the weight of the world on their shoulders they're young they're in love they're talking about potentially going to meet with Marines like dad and sister and it's so good to see a little bit of a glimpse of you know because I kind of they kept pointing out that 20 years ago things changed for Moraine and I was always like why what was it's obviously the dragon was reborn I should have known it's pretty obvious like the guitarists sort of prophecy as essentially isn't it with the with the telling of the fact that the dragon was reborn I thought the de-aging was really good in the scene

6:42 You sort of you could I mean theoretically the I said I don't age the same anyway but I thought they both had that feeling of being you know a good 20 years younger and they were always no they didn't they didn't have that they didn't have that age of responsibility they looked like they were just fresh-faced blue eyes to die by Blue Eyes today that were like you before the kids will yeah just making sure they're not hearing yeah there's a bit more hitter I suppose I grew it on the front now it was really interesting and it's nice to hear a little bit of backstory about soyanna's so on as well living in a bamboo Hut being a fisherman and then the little the banter between her and whether or not more rain would become a fish wife it was quite cute and then obviously it cut to them going in to see guitarists to die and the vision happening yeah and how big of a how big of a sort of role does she play in the books like is there is this sort of a nod to the books directly in regards to the vision and how it happened or was this yeah it's a little bit it's a little bit different there was from memory

8:03 There was it was differently done both suion and Maury Ryan I think were only accepted and they were doing like jobs for the amarillion and guitar at the time and they were in like a throne room type thing when that all went down because I feel like there's a lot that they that they left out for us at this stage we saw we saw obviously the vision with them going to see her and she had the vision she's like okay the dragon is being born right now and it gave us that flashback which was so cool to see because I already read about that in the first book like the first place they're already they're really explained like the whole birth thing so they obviously had to find a way to visually bring that scene into the show and for it to make sense so we get to see rand's mother we get to see his adopted Father which probably a lot of people who haven't read the books wouldn't know you only see them from the top you don't really see his face D it's just from the back scene which is was the exact same scene we'd seen from season one yeah so what's his name again that's Tam tamale Tamil four so Ram's adopted father is the one who was there when the baby was born basically at that point and later on before I forget because I don't want this to be forgotten I felt really happy about remembering this from my book read so it's like

9:23 One of the few times I can add extra sauce to the podcast when Rand has a sword and you see the little icon of the Heron on it that is actually a nod because that is that is his dad's his adopted dad's sword and it basically consists that he's a blade Master which clearly tells you that there is a big story behind him in regards to that not just like a normal farmer yeah and there's I think there's a bit of fan fiction too for that's out there on the internet somewhere for a tam and what he got up to earn that Brad that Blade the Heron sword it was never actually sort of there was not a lot of information given and tan quite a you know Stark farmer he didn't really go into details either and in different parts of the story so yeah no it'll be interesting it's a nice little nod well done remembering that yeah I remember that and there's quite a few different cuts to the close the hearing blade as well and the here and the like the Buckle that holds the sword onto the back of Rand later on as well yeah it's sort of close-ups a few times to that I thought it was really interesting how they twinned the death of Bran's mother with the death of gatara and now that sort of that Vision worked and they sort of died at the same time

10:43 And basically you know the description that she used was you know you can hear it you know that the Earth is shaking type thing that with the dragon being born on the slopes of Mount Doom and then basically that was also poor old Myron and soya like literally they'd been out the door talking about the world is their oyster they could do whatever they want we may be a we may advise the daughter era of Andor and then next thing you know no we've got bigger purpose the wheeler is the wheel has decided we've got something else to do yeah and I think this is where throughout the episode it's going to be interesting because for me it's interesting to see where they end up as like so on becomes the future you know Emeline seat moraine's got her thing and they talk about how they both were assign different duties and that hasn't been fully explained to us yet how that came to be so I'm wondering if that will be something that in the future we'll get a better understanding of how sean became the ambulance seat why Moraine didn't become the emblem seed why her mission was something different and those are the things that you kind of read between the lines even in their dialogue as they're talking to each other there's a lot that we are still yet to find out as viewers of the show which I'm intrigued by I'm interested by it and please let

12:03 Us continue to let us know in the comment section below as well if you're watching this after the life we always get really good comments what your thoughts are on this as well if you're a book reader don't spoil it for me please because you've seen everything but the scene was well done like Lina said also Mucky welcome to the live as well Game of Thrones which we won't go into too much now that we're actually into the into this podcast but Mucky is one of my co-hosts for some of the other shows that we do here so welcome back to the live Okay so gone back to prison day we have Moraine finally you know she was summoned to go and see so on here now we know the tension between them we get the relationship a lot better the history that they have and this was an interesting scene because she is really upset because moraine's been writing to her for months six months at this point never told her that she was still and says that you're lying to me what did you lie she said you're the one person I'm the most truthful to so really an interesting scene for her to be summoned there and just to see this power dynamic because you know there's so many different things that are happening here they've got the responsibility she's got the responsibility of the ambulance seat she's got to look after the White Tower and Moraine is only concerned about the

13:23 Dragon that is her one and then they've got their own relationship in between of this and that is something that's going to be fully fleshed out throughout the episode oh it's very it's a very conflicting very deep length that they've got isn't it and all the things that they've got the bow that they're juggling and the world is at stake essentially if they don't do it correctly so the pressure on them both they might be joked you know 20 years they've aged a bit then because of the fact I've got so much resting on their shoulders the I liked a little bit with Leanne being pissed that she's been sent outside she was really miffed that she'd been sort of sent to go out which I thought was really interesting and then you've also got the fact that so we are no not as I say hey you threatened to let Alana take Lane's Bond and like I said I think I said in the previous podcast how that's really rough threat like that's a really big thing to threaten and that bond is incredibly intimate and we actually do see I'll talk a bit more about the water and the isolated Bond later on when we get to another scene it's a very personal link to someone you can feel their emotions you can feel what they're feeling like there's a there's borders and I said I can kind of communicate too in that

14:43 With that Bond and the fact that she's gone I'm gonna you know I threatened that's a really big one and I think yeah as I mentioned previously so the fact that soya knows about it she's she'd be pretty miffed about the whole situation as well and the fact that she never told we're around about being Moray never told her about being still either yeah is huge because that's a responsibility Moraine needs to be able to keep tabs on Rand and if she's been stilled how on Earth can she do that you know what powers she got to keep him in line she can't and that's a sort of a breakdown of trust there too I suppose because you're not being completely honest with each other yeah it's she basically I think there's this line where she says you've let your personal Ambitions Cloud your judgment or something like that throughout this as well and that's what I like about it because Moraine isn't perfect none of these characters are perfect they're all flawed in their own way and it's interesting as it plays out Linus is here she doesn't understand why they only approved Eight Episodes we need a 10 at least and again I think budget probably is the big thing but hopefully if the show continues to get supported well which it still is I just had a look today it's still second in Australia I don't know what it's over there New Zealand but it's doing really well gen V is quite High I think is

16:03 Sort of taken over as a new thing drop and the day's Demar was the title of this episode that we just watched episode seven and I think Andrea Lee points out that it means the great game it's sort of like your political manipulation it's a lot of discussion around wheelings and dealings and yeah what different you say something and what that means and what it could have different levels of meaning depending on how you say it and I think there's some real obvious points about and links today's Demar in the episode then there's a couple bits that I think when we get to it you read between the lines a little bit more I may link to it but it's not as sort of obvious yeah we also get at this point I was going to say we get her revealing that land has now also let Alana know about the dragon which is quite significant because the news is out at this point at this point no one else knew we're going to talk we're going to talk later on about how significant the whole fact is that both sides it seems once ran to Proclaim he's the dragon not just the dark I picked up on that not just the dark ones and to Proclaim it Moraine also wants him to do that and that's a bit of dialogue that comes up a little bit later on so more

17:23 People will be aware of him being there you know and the significance potentially of that but there's this really great scene between Len and Rand yes before he goes in he's preparing him to go in and all the cockles in my heart that was great yeah because this is something that was a nod to people that read the books right because land is supposed to teach them how to do sword fighting and he kind of comments on the stance that he's using you know and what he should be doing in future fights and that yeah so how cool was that to see finally we get a great Lan and Rand sort of Scene It was great and it was a nod to the book as well the second book actually starts with Rand and land and soyan arrives with an Entourage of eyes to die to China feldara where they've finished where they finished the end of season one and in the book that's where they have the first sort of meeting we ran and so we are meet for the very first time and land prepares Rand for that meeting and talks them about how to walk how to how to approach how to and so and suryan is in the book myth about the fact that Lan has been training him because she wanted to see him as this hapless Shepherd and sheep farmer and now he's got this you know he's standing

18:44 Tall he's bowing properly he's saying the right things that he shouldn't already know and that's that was a nice nod from the book which I really appreciated the little tricks like the little the sword off when lamb was like you need to say you're sort of like that sort of thing was just cool I like that like it's it probably doesn't mean a lot to a lot of people but it was just a nice little nod for it for us book readers and fans of land who have maybe not been overly appreciative of some of the things that have changed previous episodes for him but this was a nice one and what the statement you know for a man whatever comes face it on your feet I thought that was really cool the let's I that's so true even in life like that's kind of the advice your dad would give you know as a young boy growing up so that was interesting seeing that sort of relationship evolved between the two of them on the screen finally especially because they've spent so much time separate in this season as well and another really key dialogue that he brought up there that I sort of noted as well again it's just also really humanizing swan in a lot of ways because he says that she comes from less than even you're like this Shepherd this Farmer Boy from the two rivers but she had less than that so she isn't who you think that she is you know she's act like he's basically

20:04 Saying there's more depth to her and I think that's interesting because going into meeting with son he kind of mentions that to her and she says very few people are ever truly in this world who they're meant to be but you and I we don't have that luxury today we need to be very upfront and honest with each other which I love the dialogue between the two of them him saying that he's is ready to serve or fight and she's like are you now a boy of knowing that he's so far from ready great dialogue between the two of them but ultimately we see a little bit of her ruthless site in this episode because she ends up shielding him because she does she they wanna they wanna put they want to put him in a cage and have control they don't want the Forsaken to get their hands on him at this stage and it was really cool to see her also sort of point out the fact that you have been six months with Moraine which in all Venus he hasn't been the full success but that actually also tells us that maybe morion hasn't been honest with soyan as well suryan still thinks that she's been with him for the last six months where we all know that they haven't been together at all for the last six months and moraine's been up on the Hills collecting water so I thought that was interesting I thought that actually tells

21:24 Us a bit more about the communication or the lack thereof between the two of them then it tells which I thought was interesting and speaking of Shield he had a question before Papa about the difference between stilled and shielded is one reversible Yeah so basically a shield is like you've just put a shield around someone's ability to power to use the one power and you've got to use the one power to put that Shield up whereas the Steelers like you're severed from it and you can no longer touch the Reach Out And Touch the one power which we're going to talk about still later on because this is an interesting information that came in from that as well so we'll bring that back up but in that scene with Rand and so yeah it's a shield that she puts on him to stop him from touching the source yeah cork spark welcome to the live here says all of Amazon shows Eight Episodes team was never going to happen for this one and it's fine listen as long as I get eight quality episodes I can I can live with that and so far I've really I've enjoyed it but again I'm coming from a non-book reader's perspective what they're giving us the only thing that I'd say that would be nice with more episodes is the fact that we could spend a bit more time a bit a bit slow down the pace a little bit and get to sort of get more information and get to familiarosa

22:44 Philip familiarize ourselves better with our characters because there's so the only cons and that would only happen if they had more episodes but then I'd be concerned if they had more episodes to try and get more action in which would then cut that down so I don't know it's interesting I like that they've cut the startup I like when I first watched they didn't have the second the second season they don't have that big long start that was just so they could maximize the time they do have and every episode is just over an hour and five minutes to try and make sure they get as much screen time as they possibly can I'm curious to see what the run time is going to be for the last episode whether or not it's going to be an hour there's talks and hopes and the people out there are hoping it's gonna be an hour and a half just to try and sort of get as much continent as we can but don't know we'll have to wait and see until next week yeah because you know it's interesting you mentioned that because there's still certain of the assadai and some of the political things that we're slowly but surely starting to get to understand a little bit better but that's where maybe a little bit more World building a little bit more time would have helped but we do get a great scene here and I'm going to stay with White Tower I know that the show jumped to Elaine and then even next but I want to stay with the White Tower and talk a little bit about how veran is operating within the

24:04 City and she's got her Browns getting a map from the ogears which are boulders to find out the tunnels which I thought was so cool and in the moment it didn't make sense to me and then when later on a land calls Loyola Boulder I was like that's why she got the map because they're the builders they've they're The Architects right so in any case but that was a really cool scene and then having Alana there with her two Wards who don't trust even very fully In This Moment which I thought was very interesting and what was the most interesting from this because at the end of the day I think it was Ivan he wanted to follow Veron to see what she's up to and Alana didn't like it because she wanted the three of them to stay together due to their potentially being a forsaken within the city she obviously cares for them don't want them to be split in case they're weaker separate or that one of them get hurt and she gets out voted I didn't realize that she had that kind of relationship where Maxim outvotes her with Ivan and he does end up going which was really cool to see and I that was where I was going to talk about the link with the bond you can see that they didn't that they almost said that the whole discussion they talked about it and then it went quiet and then there was sort of like that look between the waters back to Alana and then there was a right that's two to one so

25:25 It was almost like and it was a nod to the fact of that Bond being really like they can communicate with their bond and yeah there's definitely it was a nice nod there and then you had so you have Ivan not trusting viren and Ben a bit like and Alana's just like I just want to keep my boys with me because this forsaken charging around and then Maxim's like well actually what about leandrian yeah and then it cuts to her visiting The House of the Madrid house which I thought was really interesting as well yeah it was it was a very interesting scene obviously with flandra in there just before we go into that and we can talk about that next in its conclusion that whole scene we've got Andrew Lee saying that we need a brown sister book or TV series that they're very they're like one of the more interesting us to die to me at the moment I'm really enjoying them and there was a little throwaway line about two eyes two brown sisters wanting to study a channel a male Channeler as well later on in the episode which I thought oh here we go this could be our Branch off yeah so yeah let's remember that I definitely want to talk about that little dialogue later on as well but Leandra does go and visit moraine's house yeah she goes there ends up talking to her Marine's

26:45 Nephew and he's sworn enough to the dark because that's why he's climbed the ranks as quickly as he did and again moraine's sister proving to be very cunning listening and on the thing outsmarting her son ultimately capturing him what did you think of the storyline this is it is but it's also that's like this was one of those ones where I was like okay this is very much a day's Demar like the great game where you're like yeah this is real business mother you need to go upstairs and then knowing that like the days tomorrow they always sort of are secretive and squash she's got a little hidden chamber underneath where she can list it in which was just perfect so I was very pleased that she was able to listen in because I thought this if she didn't the time it was going to take for us to find out or for her to find out would have taken ages this was a nice quick way of tidying that up already look now we know bethanas is in the dark but already within this one episode we find that out and it's dealt with yeah it could have been another loose scene that they may be had to try and figure out how to tie up if they hadn't done it all in one and I thought that was a really nice way of going right we've now got key information about the planet but Thanos we now know she now knows that leandrian is as a

28:05 Dark sister like this is another person now that knows that she's a black Archer and she now knows that she's gonna have to do something with her son because his son's wanting to kill her sister and that whole yeah it's just like holy moly poor yeah and Avia would just be like her world's just crumbled around her son that she's been living for all this all this time is now you know she's getting ready to I've been having food tastings and everything else that's tough and now she had to go all right am I going to let him carry on become king in the deal with it later or am I going to nip it in the bud straight away and she does it doesn't put doesn't pull back she goes right you've you're a dark one you're a dark friends I we need to deal with it and I just think that whole interaction between her empathy but Thanos who her son was really interesting and then you know like how would he was like how could you do this just for my own you know like she's she doesn't trust you she doesn't you know as soon as she leaves she's gonna forget it'll leave us and forget about us and she's like yeah but there's two things that my sister was it there's two things my sister understands better than anything the difference between right and wrong and how hard it is sometimes to do what is right and I just thought that see that's another

29:26 Yeah very true for the for life in general that sometimes it can be really hard to do the right thing but you've got to do it anyway and thinking about this a little further because I agree with everything you said it was very interesting and I wanted to welcome Prince to the live as well saying just hopping on catching up at one and a half speed just wanted to say thank you again for adding Wheel of Time Recaps to the channel Andrew Lee's saying which Brown sister is in danger of getting killed or murdered it's hard to call that out at the moment if I if I had to probably be the one that's the most prominent on the screen right like it's the only one that would hurt if they no no I think I think it'll be a cut to the White Tower and our other Brown sister that we haven't got traveling with them may make right you reckon she's not there shoot yeah maybe I don't know you mean they may not that would that would for me as a for me as a neutral lab would hurt less watching it if we had to lose the one that's more prominent then that would be like damn she was cool she hits it's such a great personality but yeah the one thing you didn't explore with that whole thing is like what I was asking myself the whole time is like okay well who's trying to kill the Android like who sorry Moraine who's the who's the who's the one who ordered landran to do it because she's working yeah she's working with you right it's got to be land for you so it's interesting that landfill is like well she's this

30:46 Is why I love land for his character she's like I can't be too obvious about me wanting to take Moraine off the board because Rand won't want to work with me so I'm gonna find I'm gonna find a different way I'm gonna find a different way someone's gonna try and take it out from the side and it will never be linked back to me which I love that about lenpheus characters she's very also once again links today's Demar of the game that's the game everyone's playing They're all playing the secretive game that no one really knows what's happening you know like there's levels upon levels about what's happening and you've got and I really like that because the cuts when Moon Rand goes into the dream world and talks with landfair she he's like we're in a cell and she's like I know I'm still in Karen and the cell I know because she's sent her leandrian minion who she's you know linked up with the last episode to go and kill to get to get more rain killed and how devastating would it be for her nephew to do it or looking at a different day's demand level maybe landfill new all along that the RT was yeah the sister was going to notice that this the her son was going to be a dark friend and now snakes let me throw on that and it's completely thrown the family into disillusion now because now demandra de Madrid family he's never going to be king so that's a different level again you could look at

32:06 Yeah so it's a win no matter what she said yeah I'm loving that a great question and that's crushing more rain in a different way because yes you know and without us and without taking the blunt approach of alienating Rand in the process so yeah it's next level gameplay I'm really appreciating this and we move on to the next scene with Elaine and naive and farm like and they're out there walking and this was interesting because naive kind of has to take a step back she's used to being the lead in regards to planning how they're going to do things but you know Elaine very perceptive again picks up that you know no one in the city seems to like care that they've been overthrown or anything like that and the soldiers are there obviously keeping them in check but she mentions that hey I've noticed that an ogear traveled with you guys here like you know this is the plan moving forward so loyal is the person that she wants to talk to about how to do it and again very interesting because she knows that he's a boulder they get him he wants to Bow and you know acknowledge her as like the ear parent and I love the little dialogue with naive saying don't encourage her we don't need that's that's such

33:27 Cool little dialogue between the two of them gives you a little bit of an understanding of they're probably going to become really good friends like through this especially now that they're bonding through this process of having to get a green freed but that was really cool her kneeing being all you know courteous and all that and then they're trying to find out how to get into the kennels and they really ultimately come to the realization that there is no way to do it unless they were a suran with their daimani that's the only way they can go in there it's the only way you're going to get in I really love that once again it's another nod to the book the Lyle being very formal following a set procedure nature of saying hello and I love the bit that nine Eve is just cutting them down quickly like hey we don't have time for this man you need to go and that's there's always a liar laws always complaining about humans being Hasty because Lowell is being an ogre I think he's about he's classified as an oh gear teenager or you know is they and they talk about how his mustache as his eyebrows aren't long enough and he's Hasty he's Hasty for an odia standard but then he's always complaining about the humans being Hasty because they just want to get through and this was nine Eve being Hasty and I was waiting for him to say something about oh humans being Hasty you're like I was waiting for it didn't

34:47 Happen but it was that sort of Knob which I thought I quite liked and then like you said they've found out now that aguanas in the kennels in the prison that's being watched by the Death Watch which is the like Elite Army for the elite soldiers the Death Watch I like the SAS of sanchin so they're hard to get by and basically they've said and he says you can only get by if you're if you're you know a sold or if you're a demand the money so yeah interesting and I really appreciated that you know even though naive in this moment she is so hyper focused on getting a Gwen out she lets him know and she puts him at ease like listen we're not leaving you behind we're coming for you as well once again showing that part of naive where she really cares for her people like and that was the struggle she had even when she was going through the US and eye training that she which went through the what was it the archers where she said I'm not leaving people behind I'm she wants to be there for people she wants to be a Dependable person and again that loyalty is still there which I thought was really good and sort of just to tie the knot on this specific storyline obviously later on they do capture a Saddam and they put the collar on her yeah obviously

36:07 They're gonna try and pretend like this is a Damani that they're taking in there so going undercover yeah and the lines Elaine's like you know how do you think it's going to feel and my neighbors I hope it hurts like hell you know yeah she's got like no sympathy and which I mean after seeing the pain of you know I forgot the name of that the yellow house that I in the previous episode yeah I mean you can't blame no need for not caring right no they watched it from up on the in the window didn't they so yeah no it was interesting it's going to be so curious to see how that pans out and how they break in to get her out using the atom Adam and now they've got a seldom collared which will be interesting because theoretically it's two different types of people the one that and if this Adam works on a soldam it's going to throw a few questions out there for the Sanchez as well 100 but I can't remember as much details right so there's more for us to see there in the future but I also want to move into the scene next here with Landon Moraine back in waitara they're reconnecting and that's going to lead into another scene I

37:27 Think after that we're gonna see as well which I definitely want to talk about but Moraine obviously you know talking about how he betrayed her trust and how she's so upset with him but she's treated him like dirt this season like I mean I'm sorry like and he was in such a bad spot she doesn't appreciate the fact that he wasn't walking out alive if he didn't give up the secret about the dragon right there so this was interesting about you know I think that you know land continues to push that on her you can't do this by yourself and specifically talking to her about you know having been cut off have you ever felt like you wanted to end it all and about only two people or two usadai ever being able to be stalled and not do that which is quite significant I feel like in the greatest scope of things yeah it's huge and yeah she just pleased I suppose that he was relieved to find out that she was not intending to end it you know because Moraine was understandably quite paved with him quite mad and angry and basically she just wants him to leave doesn't she's like you need to go and he's like I've done research only two women in history they

38:48 Haven't actually taught themselves and her reasoning was Ran's too important the world is too important and that you almost got a feeling like he was relieved to hear that she's got that mission and if it is stilling she'll be the third she he almost was reassured knowing the amount of importance she's put on it that she's going to be the third person to do it because he knows her inside and out as well and knows and trusts that she's stubborn enough that if she's got a mission which is what the blue Archer is all about you know you've got that cause to fight for that she's gonna do and that basically he's like look he says I had to tell someone because if you won't trust me maybe you'll trust her because he knows the length of her and CERN had and I thought that was really a powerful and it sort of helped explain to everyone as to why he went running to mum basically because they call a mother you know the amarillion state they call her mother so he's basically run to Mother yeah her his little logic behind it was well if you won't believe me you won't trust me maybe you'll trust her yeah listen she's been to me she's been very cold on land there's all this whole season has been it's been tough to watch because he's obviously a cares so much for her but it's not just land it's just it seems

40:08 To be that is her character because that's even how she acts in front of her sister her nephew at that point Justin yeah she's got a she's got her she's got her Shields up but it's going to be an interesting development towards the end because she's gonna have to trust in someone at some point right so we're going to talk about that in a bit and this scene with Landon Moraine kind of led into another scene in this episode that I think was quite significant it obviously has a massive effect on the end of this episode but land does go and see Logan at this point and Logan is like they're just beating up on this character right now like constantly beating up on him because Lan goes there he's like listen I'm still waiting on your master to come back and give me the knife that she promised me you know I've done my part or you can just end it right now and put that blade through me all the guy wants is to not live anymore like he just wants to defend right all the madness not having the power being cuddled from it's too much for him and land does sort of put a key in front of him says listen we can bargain we can haggle you can get out of here you can do whatever you want from that point I need some information you know you when you looked at Rand could see the weaves around him what do you see when you look at Moraine and you know again love look like

41:28 The more and more low gain is there and like how he I don't know there's something about him I really love this character I really love this character yeah and he's like you know he spits in the face off to help that land wants to give him but then land is like pissed off and he's like well what do you expect you guys caged me you guys took everything from me what do you expect from me like I'm gonna be just happy to help you I don't give a I'm gonna be honest I'm gonna be honest with you like yeah and also I also quite enjoyed the little scene that led just before land came into there was Maxim and Alana and Maxim was busy sitting there looking at his sword and trying to do his hair through and she basically comes in and but there was a little nod to her you know he's like I just kind of wish I was back on the farm and you know it was forsaken running around I just want to be on the farm even with your cousins and she's like what did you expect the last battle was going to be fought with kittens and then land rolls in and he's off to go and talk but yeah no the low gain you know playing Stones it's a gentleman's game like he's got these little Barbed taunts that he does and he's just quit quick with it I love it yeah and I the actor himself plays a fantastic like the role he's playing he's doing a great job with the game and that sort of intricacies around that character that sort of Menace and but

42:48 As well as that sort of that Madness the level there you know do you expect him to get us to give you a straight answer no you're not going to get a straight answer from me and but he's got the key and he doesn't even given he says he talks about the thousands of tiny strands and they're being knotted so lands like sweet that's good and then lands like see ya you know I remember what you did with Karine and Stephen I know what you did there I'm not giving you the key now but there are two brown Archer that want to study two brands that want to study a man who can Channel and I was like oh let's go jeez man the guy I feel I feel for him I really do feel full in that moment but such an interesting scene again Lan not giving him what he wants we do need to backtrack to a scene that happened earlier in the show and this is where Gwen is on The Proving Grounds oh yes and she is there with Renna and they have to channel light and beam it out to show the limits of their power and throughout all of this a couple of interesting things happen here the main Saddam that is there that is like the trainer saying like what is the name she allowed her to keep her name which you can see she's like okay well that's weird but okay Gwen it is you

44:09 Know and she's like you have to work with me here don't embarrass me you'll pay for it all that kind of stuff and then going out there and obviously you know seeing the extent of a queen's power that light that she did that sort of explosion of air could be heard and felt almost all the way to farm which there was but it was just you had that disruption of Lyle and as well as the way ginger cat that was sitting there yes such a such a cool scene but again it's just like she's really treating a Gwen like a dog like you know your place you know you'll get a treat if you're good you'll get punished if you're bad in this situation yeah and this leads into one of the most interesting scenes with the two of them when they get back to the kennels and she's washing her hands and talking to her about how you know the reason you don't and I get the angles she's trying to take there because she's like the reason you're not fully on board and maybe you don't feel good about your role currently is because you don't understand what it is that we're doing but we're collecting Warriors for the light all to be under the empress you know everybody will be together fighting against the dark and that is our bigger course and she thinks that this is going to inspire aguin but what she doesn't realize is that a friendship when one person's got this big Power dynamic in One Direction and you're forcing compelling

45:29 People to do it something for you that's not how true friendships are born that's not how people are brought together so Gwen's line there that she says I will kill you yeah Rena I will kill you it's like yes there was literally after having a last episode where it was very going heavy to having this episode where we had that one key line from Madeleine was just Pitch Perfect delivered brilliantly there's a few and I love the details that they add for this scene there's a beautiful not happening not happening there's too much of a power struggle there's no there's no happy wife happy life in that in that relationship the fact that in her cell she went from having just one jug and a cup she's got little candles she's got a whole lot of extra things now that she didn't have previously and that's almost like a reward for being a good girl and showing that you've you know you've made me proud so I'm gonna get I'm going to give you treats and the first thing she does after that is rent a Storm's off and a half takes her Cup in the bowl and storms out which I think is yeah just very fitting of a very childish way that Rena X

46:50 I think it's amazing how well the actress again I mean we always come here and we give props to man like Arena is doing a fantastic job as well they yeah that's what I'm trying to say yeah that's what I was trying to say so she's doing such a good job with doing it because you really get that feeling with Reyna that she like Andre Lee says here does I don't know if she romantically cares but she does love Gwen and her own Twisted way and she's got this really manipulative personality and having a pride of our ownership it's a pride of ownership she even says everyone will know that you are mine you know like you're bro you're when they're at the trip proving like when you get your new shiny car yeah it's a everyone's gonna know how powerful you are and that you are mine all the sold them will see you and they're going to know that I you know and that's a position thing that's a you know you've got all this power and your mind like that's that ownership Factor that's a dehumanizing once again of a grain and going you know you're powerful in your mind and everyone's Gonna Know It what a line though to end it on and listen I am with everybody here in the live everybody in the life I was I was so happy to see that because it shows you that

48:11 Gwen understands her situation right now but she has not lost hope yeah and I also wanted to there was a little nod to her trying to show that she's still a woman and it's still a person as well and they sort of dehumanize that you're not a woman you're a thing in the last episode to remember I talked to you about the braid and the importance of that and the two rivers and the sign that you're a woman and that's how that scene ends as well as her braiding her hair again back to the one braid which is her little silent protest almost that I am a woman which I thought was really cool and just that is so cool because I noticed that I noticed that it was I was I was actually made a note for myself and I almost forgot to ask you what that mean but that is it so just her holding on to her individuality her own immunity through this bad spot that she's in right now which is amazing and it's interesting because we're going to move on from this scene and we're going to talk about perin someone who I love in the show his character has taken a little bit of a BET's back seat I feel like in the last couple of episodes because we're sober surely getting introduced more and more to every Ender who's the new character on the rise and I've done my best not to go in and research eviander at all because I know that I shouldn't be doing any research or clicking on things just in case I see something but something that came to mind for me

49:31 I didn't put two and two together I feel like previously but at the end there's an ale woman just like rand's Mom brand as ale so there is like a there is a connection potentially here with like where's people come from she these people that are out in the desert is this people we don't know who the dad is yet I don't even think in the books at this point I don't remember reading anything about his real dad but that's quite interesting obviously so now I'm looking like into this episode I was like I need to like pay more attention to these people because there's going to be some significance in the future towards Rand meeting his own people and culturally what's that going to be like it's going to be interesting in the future so I feel like there's a lot happening and I was like I wanted to so badly to like type some stuff in around the ale and I was like I'm not doing it I'm not doing it I'm not spoiling myself on anything but yeah I love seeing this Traditions that they have because a lot of this was tradition heavy on this episode with yeah they end up being out of the desert I just want to point out before we go into what happened with her parent with his wolf side being able to see the woman in the sand was super cool like where she was sitting ahead of him and then obviously them finding out that Julian a person that she was close to was buried and then she has to go through a pretty brutal trial or Redemption I should say or pay back her toe yeah

50:51 Which is her debt that she owed to Julian yeah it was a really interesting scene we got introduced to two new woman Bane and Shad which do both of them play quite a big part of appearance art in the stories I'm not going to go into details but they're definitely and intermingled with his intertwined with his story and I like this the far dice the woman Dale woman Fighters I really enjoyed that they included the hand signals because that's something that they have over the male ale they don't have the hand signal it's very much just a woman's a nail woman's Fighters hand signals so it was nice to have that the battle that they had where basically she got avienda got the got her teeth kicked in I really like the nice subtle part where they put they put all their the Spears and stuff down but you'll also notice there are key things like parents like ah I need to save her because they're going to kill her but and hopefully no and Hopper was really worried so but we know that

52:12 They need none of them put their veils up so that it's basically they talk about when an ale is veiled that's someone's going to die so we knew that didn't go up avienda also dropped a hood just to make sure that everyone knew that there's I'm not veiling I'm not covering up in any way I'm taking this because I deserve it which I thought was you know it's just a pride thing and a toe a Ito the aloa and that's just a really it was a really nice easy like a nice explanation with that once again taking too much time yeah I love the little dialogue between avienda and Perrin about his ring and does that mean that you're connected to a woman in the wetlands and you can't lay oh Bane will be disappointed yeah that was that was amazing that little dialogue and then the other dialogue as they were getting too from and they saw Farm in the background every Ender responding to all of the water and being like how is this possible she's probably in a life never seen so much water coming from the desert no but I was never seen sea like that before yeah it's these little moments that they do in the show that continues to bolt the characters and the surroundings for me as a as

53:32 A new person to the show it gives me a bit of appreciation but really love that but now we're going to move into I think a scene that would have been probably for a lot of people they would have really been excited to see this and it was Matt you know we go to Matt gets captured immediately when he gets knocked out in the city I'm like oh it's got to be a shameel but then we find out no it's lenfield we'll have concussion once again yeah so he ends up you know lenphia gets him there's a really great dialogue between the two of them lanphia said I expected more she's disappointed in who he is in this life I guess basically and he's like such a great character oh yeah she's killing it killing it like I mean like if land like I really hope obviously I don't know how the story plays out but I really hope lanphy is like an in-game character like I wanted to go deep into the story she oozes this power and sophistication which is so far above where major like Matt like you've got the scene she's in this High fashion jumpsuit that could literally be walking down the street in our world and we wouldn't think twice about it and you've got Pierre you've got Matt on the ground in rags and he's just oozes it doesn't she and he's like she's

54:52 Like he's like where am I in farm and he's like what sorry I didn't read some of these comments we'll go back to that scene as well but Lena said we'd love to see a separate TV series on the ale La bienda that's true and the father de May does that replace the other group situation storyline in the books not to sure we probably can't spoil too much there Mrs wall afterwards Andrea Lee says and fingers crossed that parent is not taking over one of rand's storylines while it's open I hope not to bright tag is for naive not again it is but it wasn't a brave tag it was a doing up with a braid I thought about that too and there is later on in the story is more to do with that braid for both of them yeah so yeah Hopper does seem very protective of avienda so obviously very quickly became fond because she's now part of the pack yeah and releases me to ishi is that I have we're going to talk about that we're going to talk about that but anyways yeah so just to finish off with lenphea an amazing scene he wants to know how you know how she got to farm as quickly because we now know that he's she's taken him to farm which obviously is where they want everybody to come together and she's like well I can't tell you all my secrets now can I so just brilliant love

56:12 How she the power Dynamic like you said she's all that he's nothing compared to what she is currently and then obviously the sharmil comes in and that's the funny the one of the funniest lines love Matt's really growing I mean he's like is this a sex swing or a murder thing either way I'd like you to just get home just get it over with just get over it and how good is the actor for men how good is he's just he is he is Matt now like it's just he's definitely after this episode that's just pitch perfect delivery so it's and I just like for me I'm still I'm watching all this scene happen in this room and I keep seeing the seals of the other forsaken just chilling in the background and I'm like these are the you know like for me it's just yeah just imagine it's just these nuclear bombs essentially in concrete form in the background and everyone else is just carrying on it like nothing like it's nothing they I really enjoyed the Israel which continuing to find out more and more about Ishmael and his motives behind things and I actually did a little bit of digging because I had a feeling I love finding out can I talk about this the motivation like yeah I could empathize with the Shamil in this case yeah

57:32 I could really and I was like damn am I like empathizing with him because everybody wants a mortality right yeah but have you thought about it and like I mean now if somebody gave you the choice and you could look for thousands of thousands of years you probably say yes because you don't understand the burden that has on you I just hopefully I would because you've got kids I got a wife and kids man I don't want to see I want to be the person burying them you know like I don't know if I would I think maybe at his younger self you know like a early 20s single man I may have gone yeah this would be great fun but as a as a parent with children I don't know if I'd want to be that person have to bury them later on well Landrum had to go through that with her son right but yeah and what leandran went through with her son is a smidget compared to what he's experiencing because he's gone through this a thousand times like he's like I've lived a thousand lives we keep being reborn this it's like Freaky Friday every single time we're doing the same thing every single time and we're ending up at the same conclusion over and over and over I just want to smash the wheel I want to smash it I want to break the wall end all of this and have permanent Darkness so I can sleep and you cannot you can also like it's evil but you can almost empathize with him is that he's like a really good villain it's kind of like when you had in Marvel you had Thanos where he's like he needed to

58:52 Get rid of half of humanity because there were a burden on society and you know it was the bet in his mind the bad half that he wanted to cult basically you know but shamil's storylines even deeper than that like I mean I feel for this guy that just wants to sleep you know he just wants to be over he just wants to be over and it's a groundhog day I think you're Bill Murray Groundhog Day he gets waking up and reliving the same thing over and over again and that would drive you crazy after a while Ishmael he's in the sort of the loose theorem timeline he was a philosopher it was his sort of like his role in that in you know 3000 years prior he was a but his he was named Ishmael meaning the betrayer of Hope which I think if you know of him as being a betrayer of Hope and then you look at him and what he's doing with Matt and he's trying to make sure Matt is he's got no hope left you know he's breaking Matt down to a point well I mean Matt's already spiraling down that sinkhole anyway you know no friends he's you know his mother he's seen glimpses of during drinking this tea I mean first of all don't anyone watching this just trust a man and go hey try this tea it's going to make you know trip balls don't

1:00:13 Do it because especially when it's a forsaken it's not even like it's a nice that I heal her going hey this will help you know it'll help you sleep it's a forsaken who's known to be bad who's a doctor you know one of the worst dark friends around let's drink this guy's tea just for shits and giggles no don't do it he didn't want to do it at the beginning but I feel like this part of man that this is he can't help himself no and also there was that line where he where he drinks it and he's like oh this is it didn't do anything and I had to I had a little lull to myself a little after myself because I had a similar situation in Amsterdam with a brownie and sort of Tokyo went ah after a while this is doing bloody nothing this is terrible and then boom so I was like I can empathize a little bit there I know exactly what that line is and then the things that he gets the glimpses that he sees were really interesting yeah he sees like just rolling through them he sees himself he sees his mum basically once again saying that he's he's basically you know yeah you're him you know you're him again and that I think goes from season one where his dad was a bit of a scumbag which is a real shame because that's a real Branch off from the book and

1:01:33 The book his dad's not like that and he keeps like reliving that he sees man dunking and drowning a man in a bucket and the first time you see it's a man but then it's him and it's another one with the hanging you see him hanging and then you see him slit in a soldier's uniform you see a soldier slit the throat and then it cuts to him so it's like he's reliving those lives which I thought was actually really well played out but I just don't know there are some fan favorite story lines formats that I'm worried that they are trying to rush through and change because and I'm just not sure how it's going to pan out they he does need to have these little bits but I'm worried that they are branching a little bit too far from the story but yeah it's a hard one yeah and he's a fan favorite character so this is like one that if they do it if they mess it up it's gonna yeah it's really gonna upset a lot of people out there yeah and then he sort of falls to the ground and is screaming out and then it cuts away and then when it does come back to him he's being petted on the on the cheek by Ishmael

1:02:53 And I thought and he's just saying Hush like it like a protective father almost and I was I don't know if anyone else picked up on it but Matt's muttering something it doesn't say what he's muttering but I was curious as to whether or not he was muttering old tongue but you didn't really know and yeah it's just he keeps living reliving that pain over and over again and then you have Ishmael saying look you know the freedom of death just leads us to coming back and again but he wants to make sure that when he closes his eyes he wants the wheel to be broken so that when he closes his eyes he won't have to open it again and then that whole map just going how it was like oh so lenders here says that I think after the season Matt will be on track and apparently season three is supposed to be pretty faithful to book four plot where did you hear that land this is there like some information credible information out there that talks about what they're going to do I know that Rafe has been doing some interviews yeah and he also maybe he talked a bit about the fact that season two was sort of like a parallels with book two and book three which I thought was interesting and then obviously like Atlantis has just said hopefully season three will just be more of a book four plot so oh let's hope let's hope I'm

1:04:14 Enjoying a lot of what they're doing at the moment just the matte one and how they're playing that but I'm hopeful that Matt is going to come out of it really well next episode I this was very confusing to me like this episode as a non-book reader watching it I was like trying to like pause the scenes similar to you see what I was looking for hints as to who Matt is like I was looking but I felt like I had more questions than Answers by the end of this it didn't really give me much yeah see Matt in the book is very he will go out of his way to help others like to a detriment to himself and you even see like things like he's got no money and he gave it to that we child in one of the other earlier episodes you know like that was probably his food money but he's looking after kids he's looking up like that's what he is he's we even see that in season one where he's looking after his sister's when his dad's drunk or off somewhere else like he's the first thought for Matt is to go and help the other people and I think Ishmael is thinking that he's going to break him down further and remove that from him but I don't think we're going to see that for me I think Matt maybe we'll link back up with him in and there'll be a little bit there that will all sort of

1:05:34 Yeah we'll see some pause I really I'm looking forward I think Matt whatever he does in the next episode will make us go yes good because we're so now we've been we're so prepared for him to go to the dark you know like from this scene that I think his retribution Arc will be all the more all the more satisfying for us because of what we've seen so far does that make sense yeah that makes sense because yeah the guy has been kicked between the legs many a times so far it's been broken down so much and like it feels bad it's like it's hard to watch it's actually getting hard to watch see I'm just constantly being like because he went for all of the torture of leandron first yeah they went to ended up betraying his trust and now he's again being tortured that's a storyline so far this season that's a bit hard and it is yeah I feel that he's going to come out of it yeah let's talk a little bit about you know as we move towards the conclusion of this episode we move back to the white well not the White Tower but they're in somewhere yeah carrahan at Moraine wants ran to be released this is where cyan tools tells him like listen we've done it your way it's not working you don't even have the power to protect him very important scene but then they go to the cells

1:06:55 And in the cells you know Marines there the keepers there Leanne Sharif and she is keeping him shielded and Veron comes in using her words very carefully spins the truth a little bit and get Leanne to leave her post to go and help so I'm defend the tower because Rand had this opportunity you know he used the opportunity very well to have a conversation with Olympian we actually do have to talk about their conversation because again it was so good any interaction between Latvia and Rand unloving yeah I'm going to the dream world they're being back out there in the desolated place and yeah you know having this conversation with lampia and then him manipulating her at certain points where she's like you know you've gotten around there you should be all right and she's like and he's like maybe I will be calling her Bluff it's like maybe all I need is moraine and landfill is like knowing she knows he's manipulating her feelings for him yeah and she's like she likes it she likes them she likes it she's like damn there's a little bit of Lewis in you those boats too eh holy moly the different costumes that landfair gets is just yeah they're doing it right before that they did a great job with it and the interaction between those two it's like it's like this forbidden kind of love were you like you know it's not going

1:08:15 To be interesting it's bad for torturing each other you know I've got I've got a thing for the bad girls as well you know like I've gone through that phase of my life where I've dated the wrong woman you know so I'm like man I get it mate you're playing with fire I get it and definitely playing with Byron that's and then cut to her just strolling through the four gauges just burning everything it's like yeah a funny a funny line before getting to the front of the gate and she's like oh so pitiful we've gone back to this after 3000 years just smashes through the front gate so such a great scene and she's such she's so for the for the flare too like the landfare is all about the flare like yeah she could have literally just gone in and broken round out without needing to go and make explosions everywhere but she's like all right I'll break you out and instead of going into the castle or into she goes right to the poorest full gate where there's the poorest people out it just starts firing Flames yeah she's just like yeah I want to make sure they know I'm has been absolutely killing Atlantis I agree she's the star like you know I feel like if more people were aware of Wheel of Time and watching it she'd be up there with some of the great villains off any TV show right now

1:09:35 They've been they've they're both those two are absolutely yeah so high quality yeah and it's because we I feel like it's because both of them are really well fleshed out as well like you have especially now after this episode understanding ishmael's motive understanding the landfill's motive that's a lot of the times and shows where you don't understand the motive of the bad person except for they're a bad person yeah it's not the case here but such a great scene and Veron using that to her Advantage right and fear and lying or you know like crafting her words yes and then you've got moirangon you're very clever with your word sister knowing you know that she's been because she didn't say that she didn't say that's an order from cylons she just said that's an order so it could have been from Veron she said she said that the that someone needs you at the gates to defend which is true she probably does need out of there so she doesn't say like yeah it's interesting because again it gives us a little bit of an understanding that what an asset eye tells you in the story moving forward now you're going to have to very carefully listen to the words because there could be a moment where we as the TV show viewers are going to be deceived by an assadai saying something and we're going to be like

1:10:55 Oh that's fact because they can't lie so you're gonna have to as a viewer be extra careful when you're listening to them now moving forward in the story yeah and they've got and that also means they're gonna be really clever with their writing as well otherwise if they pick it up they are and if they aren't on point with their writing and they miss they forget a story arc or something earlier on in the season or Seasons they could catch them so they should could trip themselves over essentially with that so they've got to be really clever with their crafting which looks cool and then Veron breaks them out and they all head out to the Courtyard don't they yeah and that's like a little Scooby-Doo group of a troop of people get together and basically organize to help free them yeah and it's interesting because Moraine is desperate before everybody gets there and she wants ran to open the way gate and he doesn't even know how to do that yet but she's like you've got to do it Lance says no you can do it like Rand look at her he uses the one power to see the weaves around her and notices the not and then there was a couple of interesting things that happened here so one bit of information that was dropped by land was the fact that he said that not one forsaken isn't strong enough to still you which was very interesting because we like that wasn't known to us before that so clearly it takes an immense amount of power to be able to do

1:12:15 That and then also Rand didn't have the skill to untie the knot himself at this stage he's not skillful enough so he had to cut through it which a massive risk was taken by Moraine to allow him to do it because if he cut wrong he could have stalled her probably in the process yeah or killed her and it's also another thing where we've talked about the fact that she doesn't trust anyone she didn't trust she wasn't trusting land she wasn't necessarily trusting sooyan she her dark friends nephew didn't trust like said she didn't trust anybody and now she's got to trust an experienced male Channeler to basically to cut the knots that's not neither her nor Len can see on faith and you know like that was there was a big trust moment there yeah big character development moment for Moraine because they've put so much Capital into telling the story of Moraine being a lone soldier not trusting anyone doing her own thing to now allow this clearly is going to strengthen that bond with Rand even further moving forward and it's really interesting because when suan gets the this just emotional scene with her compelling her to close the way gate

1:13:36 What did you think of that because again you could see the tears going like as she was forcing Moraine to do it a Moraine like I feel like in my mind as a viewer watching this for the first time I almost feel like this is a place that they can cut they can't come back from I really feel like this is this is that for that their relationship moving forward yeah because yeah it's huge parallels to what agoin is dealing with Renna as well like forcing against your will to do something and that was that was a huge moment and you could like you said you could tell that soyun didn't want to do it but she didn't have she felt like she had nothing else left and more rain was going to go anyway and that was like her last no I'm in charge here you will close it and it broke both of them and that'll be a hard thing for them to come back from yeah yes I just want to read this comment here as well Linda says her straight out saying I trust you to Rand was pretty big my first watch I forgot about the unable to lie part Andrea Lee said the doll Matt drop storyline hint in season one will that reveal be in season two final for next time I may need to remember that one I might have to go back for that because I can't quite remember the doll yeah I can't remember that either but

1:14:57 Again yeah like you said she's basically being forced to do this thing which is insane to see I feel like this is like I mean again I don't know how the story is going to end but I don't know how they come back from that which is kind of sad to see where that is and then also soon and the process of this gets badly injured trying to fight off you know landfill which she thinks she's got a chance and then she just flicks her off she's so powerful but she just flicks off in this moment yeah and basically and moraine's like Maureen's trying to stop her which is like don't and it's just the truth and that shows you how casually and how strong these forsaken are again you even gotta win yeah you got it when landfair opened the way gate we watched Moraine really take time had the leaf type yeah power symbol going behind her to open it and it was a process whereas landfair just opened and she was able to just flick a flick a wrist essentially and sin and it was very much the same as how so young did the same to Rand in the in the throat room as well like you know you're untrained with any simple I said I could deal with you and there were flip now we've got this heavily

1:16:17 Trained I said I sitter you know isolated the head of like I said I and she's just right by a forsaken without an issue and it's just it's interesting shows you those parodynamics and the levels of yeah and how far Rand is from landfill and landfill is kind of like keeping him alive The Forsaken and keeping him alive which clearly they themselves know what his potential is and they know that if they can manipulate him and get him to his potential then they can use him for the dark to do what they want to do which is to destroy the world they can't do that on their own they need that help and it's interesting because at this moment as all of this is happening landfill looks at Moraine instantly wants to kill Moraine bran sticks and like no no yeah you need my help if you need my help you want me to work with you can't do this so again it shows to you that eagerness of landfill just to eliminate Moraine from the board because even though Moraine isn't a threat to her with her power level she's a threat to her with the fact that Rand respects her I think appreciates her and can be guided by her so she knows Moraine can manipulate or not manipulate him but guide him to the LIE which is what she's trying to eliminate she's not threatened by Moran as a powerful person she's threatened by the fact that she's got some sort of a hold on Rand and what rand's going to become

1:17:37 So that was interesting and then it's a jealousy thing it's a jealousy thing landfill wants ran to himself she doesn't want any other females to be having any type of attachment or link to Rand she wants to be the one and only so it's very much a jealousy thing and it and that's a blind she's blinded by that jealousy as well which makes her and will yeah ex-girlfriend problems she's crazy man there was that was really interesting how she stepped in and said like and he also you grow more every day you grow more and more like lose as a statement the landfirst is there which I thought was interesting that's interesting I don't remind the scene because I don't remember the scene I'll have to go watch it again but this scene reminds me of the conversation Moraine had in season one with Min she said she would be Moran's downfall landfair yeah interesting then landfills like oh well you know a broken was what was a line a broken it's more useful and then a dead one and I was curious as to how is she broken what has she done is it broken because of the fact that she's injured and yeah

1:18:57 Or is she has she still there like you know what's what bro how is she broken but then there was a last passing moment in there which was really you know hard on the old heart this whole scene was pretty tough was the fact that you had this bit where Marine desperately wants to go back to I know [Music] it was almost like a non-verbal communication there where so Young's like go like there was a little eye eyebrow rise like you need you need to go with him you think that's what happened because I was sort of wondering I was sort of wondering in that moment if that was the final straw where she left and Sean was left behind but because Sean is also shears Duty driven above anything else so I feel like there would be this Mutual understanding that Moraine had a bigger which I've spent 20 years fighting for this Dragon to be out there and I so I watched it twice like I said I've watched it a couple times now the first time I was very much in the whole she's feeling like she's picking landfare over her but the second time I watched that I just watched a little bit closer for the visual cues a bit like I did in the last episode where there was a few visual cues from Rand and Moraine we still haven't paid off so I could have been well Off the Mark there but

1:20:17 For this one I just got that feeling that the more rain desperately wanted to go and check on story on even after she had been forced like she did last earlier on but I get the feeling that it was more like an eyebrows and then it cut to her leaving and then you got that little grin or a little smile from suion as she closed her eyes like oh good it sorted and I got that sort of that I noticed that just looking more at the facial expressions so I think she wanted her to go yeah I don't think it was set up for her to go like that I don't think that was the whole plan all along but I think in the end I think she was quite satisfied that at least ran hasn't gone off alone with landfill yeah well this does bring us to the end of this episode right so next episode we're going to be in farm and it's going to be all of them we're all there we're all the first time and somewhere in this like I said Marines motive is also for Rand to Proclaim that he's the dragon which is interesting right it's not just the Forsaken so for once in the storyline both The Forsaken and Moraine or no I don't even know if Moraine speaks for the Assad but moraine's side of this they're both pushing in the same direction and that's for them to be profound because it basically lives

1:21:38 Or I believe that it makes the prophecy come true it speaks into the prophecy that he's supposed to go there and Proclaim this in a ball of fire it's basically what they said so it's gonna yeah what was it that was Proclaim himself the dragon is supposed to Proclaim himself their banded across the sky and fire which is yeah it's gonna be cool it's gonna be cool to see be curious to see how they play it out yeah I can't wait I can't wait to watch the next episode it's I've been hooked ever since the start and pretty soon I can start reading book two which I'm also excited about then I guess says have they said for sure that there is a third season I believe there is no there's third season yes that's still fighting for fourth has not been greenlit yet or has not gone into production through season three definitely has that's good well hopefully people keep watching it and we keep getting more seasons come out for it has been very popular Prime doesn't do that many shows at the moment either so it'd be good for them to continue to push their wife behind this one but for now if you got to this point of the podcast thank you so much please consider subscribing if you like this content we did say in the beginning of the podcast myself and will we want to continue to add more I guess shows

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