Traitors Australia: Season 2 Week 1 Review

0:02 Foreign [Music] [Music] [Music] foreign [Music] welcome back to what we would like to call traitors might take her on the TNT channel because we're doing tritus Australia for the very first time here on the nullify tank we're going to have all the explosive takes I don't know if any of us will have more explosive takes than some of the contestants themselves because it has been a great car so far to observe watch dissect and get behind and I'm very excited because you know what I

1:23 Ended up converting three fellow co-hosts here to traitors fans none of these three watch Traders I don't believe a couple of months ago and I've been hounding them about the show coming back to Australia and I said we need to talk about this Kahuna I'm going to come over to you first you know as my ride or die for reality TV the person who does the most other reality TV content here on the Channel with me are you glad that I converted you to a faithful to the Traders I'm gonna I'm gonna go with the conversion even though I did watch the season and it's season one when it first came around I didn't need it by spot you didn't need to be a Trader on this podcast why are you betraying me you're very influential and you're a very influential person that's for sure no I just keep going on what show do you want to host next Conan just let me know no it the fact that if I didn't need any converting I'm glad that it happened because it's a great show and the fact that it's in that same space that we have of competition reality which gets all our you know fires going but it's not the same Vibe it's a completely different show different feel doesn't have the island the same level of competition it's a different game more psychological more of that social and I'm I love the first season

2:43 The theming of it the theatrical of it like I love all of it so it's a good fun show and I'm glad you converted me well Bucky I know Mucky didn't watch it 100 no monkey didn't watch it because we had conversations about this but Mucky is now probably the biggest expert when it comes to Traders because he's actually got his very own show the traders in New Zealand that he hosts here on the nullify Tech channel Mucky you know you've now seen one show over in New Zealand you're seeing the Australian show is it all blending together for you and are you having fun with both seasons oh I'm having so much fun with both seasons especially because there's so many different strategies like with both seasons right you know in the New Zealand one the Traders like to stay together but in the Australian one they like to bloody go after each other you know they're ready to take each other out you know and there's a lot more Cutthroat but yeah but I think it comes down to I think it comes down to the fact that this is the second season over in Australia so you know the floaties are completely off they're swimming in the in the deep ocean and they're trying to survive they're trying to get back to Shaw and Tom we know you know Tom's a big fan welcome to the nullified Tech channel of the channel now also one of the co-hosts here on the channel new

4:03 Kid on the block someone that is situated in Australia is ingrained within the culture tell me Tom you know is this what you've come to expect from reality TV when it's a competitive Cutthroat game such as Traders or Survivor that the level the stakes are just going to be that much higher you're going to get big game players like we've seen in these first two episodes yeah look I'd say I'd say big game players I don't know how Sound some of the logic behind the moves are you know I've had some interesting cakes that's for sure yeah but I'll leave that for in the episode two comes up maybe yeah but now I've enjoyed it yeah like I'm actually like not a huge I'd say a reality fan I'm more like into like games and competition like that's why I love Survivor so much I think it's the best game in the world but no Traders definitely has like that survivor-esque feel I'll I also get Cluedo Vibes and you know I loved Pluto as a kid so I'm enjoying like the Mansion like sort of the murder you know who done it yeah who'd done it you know yeah but yeah the good car so far All I'm gonna say you know if you're gonna be throwing some shade tonight here you know as the host of this podcast and a massive fan of Annabelle because I've hosted a show with her before when we did a recap of brainswiss Braun a long time ago now you know I

5:24 Feel like I should give her the shield in this episode you're not allowed to throw any shade towards Annabelle it's only going to be love on this podcast plus she's also been engaging with us quite a bit on Twitter and it's clearly one of the more active people on there but no all jokes aside obviously I love Annabelle but we will criticize the good and the bad when we talk about all of the players who are on the podcast and let's start it off with sort of some of the live people here that have jumped in I wasn't sure how many people would jump into the life here tonight and who are watching but Andrea Lee I know it's been a big supporter of muckys on the Traders New Zealand content I still have to catch up on that and at some point and I will I promise because I've been hearing good things from Mucky in regards to that season Danica is back saying hey guys I'm at the beach this week I need to catch up I'm going to re-watch this again after I catch up that's fair enough Danica we always love having you here and Danica you're one of the realest supporters because you're on every single life that we do for every single show and we really appreciate it here the lives and having people interact with us gives us a lot of energy when it comes to these shows Andrea Lee with a five dollar donation Andre you're an absolute Superstar I've noticed all the donations as well that you've been given us to the Traders New Zealand content that we're forming and all I could say is much love Andre really love the fact that you're supporting us your support goes straight back into

6:44 The channel I've been able to get both Mucky and Kahuna new mics already and we're going to continue to add to the quality of the show as we continue to go on here with putting back into the channel Danica is saying so we have two Traders going on I'm going to get so confused yes that's why Danica I know you're watching as New Zealand I had to stop and watch Traders Australia only so I wouldn't get my wires crossed but Mucky is the true hero because he's on both of them and he's staying on top of it ADI is saying woohoo finally made it to a TNT live hey guys so excited for the Traders are you welcome and welcome to live I feel like I've seen you here before but our times might be a little bit all over the place especially if you're in the U.S Jonathan says floaties are off but they still fall for an easy take yeah there was a few interesting things that happened here and the Traders it's an interesting Dynamic that's shown we'll probably get into it a little bit later on but the Traders have got all the power really in the game because they've got all the knowledge and the faithfuls coming into this game they have to do it all now I've watched all of the Traders Seasons similar to Annabelle I'm not gonna say that I'm as good at the strategy side of it as Annabelle is on some of the stuff that she's doing already and she's clearly smart at what she's doing listening to all of the podcasts and the takes out there but watching it's interesting to finally see

8:04 One of the best players we've ever seen in reality TV come back to play this game in Luke Toki he comes back very early on and they could have gone two ways with him Tom they could have either made Luke a Trader which would have been amazing to see because he's got that villainous you know thing about him he's just really good at playing that lovable villain but they didn't go the obvious right here and they made him a faithful are you happy with that decision and how do you feel about Luke coming into this game what is his chances yeah look I thought his chances were good coming into it but I mean after the second episode I'm feeling less confident and I yeah I mean people think oh you know you're an actor you've played Survivor you must be a Trader and I'm thinking Hmm so yeah I think overall like people are just finding easy excuses to throw at random people such as such as Luke but I think he'll claw back you know I think he'll definitely claw back and provide some great entertainment coming up in the next few weeks so Kahuna I had to think about this you know Luke coming into this game he was going to have a massive Target on his back regardless so far it looks like Annabelle she had the biggest reaction she was having that reaction I would have had if I saw the king of the jungle himself walk in there no one else has really reacted in the same way so I don't know if they just didn't show it or if they're maybe isn't

9:25 That many other Survivor fans out there that are playing the game but you know what's Luke's strategy here for me personally I feel like you know if I was out there how would I navigate someone like Luke you could either vote him out immediately or you know even if you think he's a Trader you keep him in the game because most likely he's going to get banished before you at some point I'm wondering why people aren't looking at him as a meat Shield at this early stage in the game do you think that is Luke's best strategy at the moment I'm not sure to be honest with you I want to see how it plays out because I'm getting the vibe that Luke is reverting back to Survivor gameplay and there was I mean we're going to talk about second episode versus one first episode Etc but we'll go back by the way let me just let me just put this out there for anybody listening we're going to talk about episode two and one together here so if you need to jump forward jump into it so there was a moment in episode two where he's talking about numbers and trying to get numbers on his side and I felt like he's approaching it like it is Survivor like I need to get numbers as opposed to I need to get out specific people and find out who they are he's trying to get the numbers on his side to get the but I do think that he was trying to get the numbers and using his Survivor instincts and Survivor skills to move the votes towards what he wanted to do so I think he's got a he's not

10:45 Just doing it from a pure numbers strategy perspective who he can get on side but he has a what he thinks is the right choice in mind for the Traders and then uses his Survivor skills so he's really set up because once you get something in mind like I have this idea or I'm picking up on this he's not necessarily above anyone else as far as being able to work out who the Traders are but once he has an idea in mind he can leverage his skills and his popularity is social we see him already making a ton of friends and using that to get the votes to go his way so if you set up well if he can keep that going interesting observation and I feel like when we're talking about the numbers and that scramble it happens between him and who we know is a traitor Sam in the game obviously I think Sam himself has been set up really well but in my opinion he's overplaying his hand massively at this stage in the game so early on Making Waves now this is an entertaining TV to watch a hundred percent but he was in this car ride next to Annabelle and also Luke Toki himself who are both power players in the game he already has their trust but potentially Mucky he's playing very aggressively from the start what do you think of Sam's gameplay and the fact that he is one of these traitors that gets selected you know

12:05 You guys say that it's overplaying I think it's underplaying I think he should be like you know what guys I'm a Trader I know that you know Andrew's a Trader I know this person's a Trader and just go full ham because why not right no but and no in all seriousness though he is definitely overplaying way too hard you know and I think it's something where you know it's hard when you're a Trader because something that's happened in the New Zealand one is that some people sort of act like oh I don't really know what's going on and then they've been caught out as being a Trader or they won't really give out too many names it's like oh they've been caught out as a Trader so I feel like you've got to find that perfect mix of actively trying to hunt hell for people to be Traders and obviously there comes a point in time where maybe you do need to give up an actual Trader but that's you know much later down the road and not you know for second banishment of the of the season of the season but now I love Sam though I think like he's doing great casting a terrific Trader I feel like if he was a faithful like he would be I mean it should be entertaining but he wouldn't have like as much drama and power behind it but the fact that he is a Trader and he's trying to pull off all these different moves like it's just fantastic to watch yeah I love it you know send

13:25 The Gunslinger traitor you know on this season one of the best scenes from this first week was when they selected the Traders and he did the gun signs while everybody was blindfolded I absolutely lived for that moment this is the kind of theatrics that really gets the juices flowing for me when I'm watching my reality TV Tom you know coming into this as a newer School fan of traitors what did you think of the selection process how it took place and would you be able to keep a straight face if Roger selected you and he tapped you on the shoulder when those blindfolds came out you know how would you have felt in that moment because I feel like not everybody's got a Pokemon guys well I mean I'm super like overreact reactory I don't know I'm very flinchy and stuff so I feel like if I'm just like there like I can't see anything and someone just Taps me on the shoulder I'd probably do like one of these or something but when I saw him do the guns I'm thinking how good are these blindfolds like what if someone could listen like this guy doing this and I'm like oh you feel this movement next to you like yeah I was like I thought it was like really I thought it was entertaining but yeah I definitely like laughed at that moment but yeah I mean I literally knew nothing about this game going into it so I didn't know if they were gonna like go into a room be like you're a tradie or not kind of

14:45 Thing I like how they did it I thought it was really cool I like the different reactions when I saw the finger guns Chris I was like yeah I couldn't so first of all Sam did that thing right which I hate which we see on Survivor a lot where like I'm so sneaky and devious I'm gonna tell them I have a different job like that does anything he's a bloody marketing consultant I get when like the undercover cop or the federal agent and stuff like that maybe they keep it a little bit on the download but a marketing consultant that travels the world taking photos and videos and stuff and he's got he's got 100 That 80s like snow movie villain vibe he was literally wearing like a varsity jacket and he's the way he talks the what he's wearing and all that he's a fun boy like what but one what I do love about it I was like he's ridiculous he's doing finger guns he's like wait we love it body against Traders what I love though and I'm sorry to take over but I took my post notes Chris I want to get something in there all the characters are

16:06 Like insane like not insane like men like just really great out there entertaining almost exaggerated like they almost feel like fiction like if you were writing a like a murder mystery movie you would have the Hipster dude with the beard you would have the flamboyantly gay muscle guy with that wears pink and the dancer guy and you have like it all it's almost like Ash and Guyton who once a multi-time reality TV so like that's her job it said reality star and then another one's an award-winning actor and they're almost like the most normal level people in the group like even there's a guy who's like of course on a TV show where you've got all these people that are going to be like up for a murder you've got a guy who's like a Navy bomb disposal person who's got his leg and arm bitten off by a shark it's like you can't even write this stuff and we have it all in the house and it's amazing Annabelle doing the like Legally Blonde Barbie sparkly Queen thing it feels so exaggerated the clinical psychologists that does yeah the most with the quirky glasses like it's not just a normal clinical cycle like the quirky glasses the short like they're just very out there characters and I'm all for it I was like living for like I was like this is amazing I

17:27 Don't know if I might have been a little bit too Under the Influence when I was watching something but I was very happy seeing all those wild characters being out like just Larger than Life yeah I mean Simone the professional wrestler yeah like I read in the game a red-headed bombshell happens to also be like everything just seems come on this isn't real it's so like fictional characters out of the freaking Park I mean even a guy like Roja who didn't play the biggest role in the first two episodes he had one of the best one-liners where he's like of course you don't want to be the guy that gets voted out on the first night and then you're remembered as the one that wore the blue shirt for the rest of your life you know and then when I look at the wiki on Trader's fandom he's wearing the blue shirt so if people go back and look at the wiki down the line they're always going to remember him as the guy with the blue shirt which I'm sure is going to grind his gears Tom I know you're a fashionable guy would that have been something all right now what I'm wearing I know you're casual right now man but how much time would go into your wardrobe before you go out there and play the Traders oh yeah you have to like I mean because I want to play Survivor obviously I'm definitely thinking about like my wardrobe if ever went on one of these shows you got to be like I can't iconic like Boston Rob's hat or like David ganap's like scarf thingy that he wore in All Stars you know yeah this is wrong is that what they

18:47 Called it yes they're wrong and they'll hang them out for it when he's like a fashion model but he couldn't dress well you just got to do you just got to do what Luke does and you just steal everybody's clothes and you start wearing it that's how they should know that he's not the trader if he was a Trader he would be wearing the clothes of the people that he murdered in the game and by the way you know for those YouTube algorithms out there that's listening to this it's a game it's not real life because we got hit for that on Traders New Zealand which makes the show very difficult to even cover on YouTube because I'm alive yeah that's the internet things these days you get canceled for everything these days no it magically disappeared yeah they just magically disappeared they went to sleep and never came back basically but yeah like you said they couldn't are such an amazing cast I mean we haven't even spoken about Ash who also ends up becoming one of the traitors here in the first week and she is someone that has been on a lot of shows now obviously I'm not from Australia originally so I didn't realize what her background was but the original she's saying she's the original reality TV person that's been on I'm a celebrity get me out of here All-Stars Family Feud behave yourself I believe there's a bunch of stuff probably that's not even credited to her on IMDb but what a great casting Choice

20:07 There as well and Kahuna like her facial reactions like the close-ups they're getting on her she's the perfect Trader isn't she's so like I had a feeling knowing like watching the US version as well Chris I was like they're definitely going to pick at least one if not multiple ones of the in-air quote celebrities that they bring on like there's no point in having an ash and a blue turkey and stuff like that on if you're not going to use them in some way so the fact that they Luke poke was probably the more obvious choice Ash able to play like yeah like Andre Lee said that I started in My Kitchen Rules I watched her on My Kitchen Rules and she got super famous because she was basically like a on the show she was the one that like caused a lot of issues with her part of their stuff they were the ones that were very rude and snappy about cooking then she went on I'm a celebrity get me out of here and she was really good on that I liked her I was like she's very relatable she's quite again like it feels weird to give a compliment but she's normal she seems like she can get along with people but still have that fire that's needed for reality TV and she's definitely got that there because as I said they got she kind of got famous for being a bit on the on My Kitchen Rules but yeah she's a perfect pick she seems to be switched on and when you mentioned earlier that

21:27 Sam was kind of doing some sneaky Sam stuff behind she picked up on it like she tweaked what was going on and asked him to his face what's happening like he got past it and stuff maybe we'll see if that comes back but she seems switched on she seems like a very good choice and although there was suspicion from the start she seems to be managing pretty well with the relationships as well yeah interesting to me was the fact Mucky that Sarah the clinical psychologist she's the one who kind of you know first she threw the wrong name out there and we talked we'll talk about you know Payton and Elias and the drama to happen with that but she was also one of the first people to pick up on ash as a potential traitor right so she seems to it seems to work whatever she's doing seems to work out there the problem is she doesn't have much credibility and people don't trust her right now yeah I mean it's a it's one thing to have the right reads right but it's another thing on your sort of history in the game right so we see you have to read on Ash and that's a spot on read it's a fantastic read but she then goes around and spreads a lot of drama between a lot of people loses that trust so then when she does get the right reads like as why should we trust you know you've already talked you know so much drama you've already made up you know a couple lives already or

22:47 You know misheard you know information and spreaded that around like it's you know cotton candy in a kindergarten but it's yeah like history in the game is so important right because that's how you get your credibility and your influence right because one of the yeah I agree with you and one of the things for me that's interesting sort of segwaying into that drama that she caused obviously Peyton speaks to Sarah apparently allegedly after they select the traitors and says that he believes Elias is one of the traitors and she goes and tells everyone this when he didn't really say that it was what he said was something a little bit different to that just that you know he was behind us for quite a long time it was probably a red herring or they moved on somehow Sarah gets that wrong which creates so much you know heat for Peyton in the game and I believe she's tanked his game at this point because Peyton goes around and he's frantic he's panicking you know and people can clearly see this guy as not lying because of the way that he's acting you know and this makes him an even bigger Target right now for the traders in the game Tom because we know that he's on potentially The Chopping Block moving into episode three because as a traitor you want to keep people in the game that you legitimately know people are going to come after like a Luke Toki why would they kill Luke Tokyo right now Luke Toki needs to be banished because they know people are going to think he's potentially a Trader

24:07 But Peyton on the other hand who's been so open about the fact that you know he's not a Trader and has freaked out you know and people can see the genuine fear in his face you know his game is kind of sunk right now so how would you react correctly what would have been the right move for Peyton in that moment when his name started getting thrown out there because obviously he addressed it with Elias directly which I think is a good thing and he also got Sarah in there all three people at the same time but you know what could he have done differently to find that middle balance of getting the heat off him but also not creating this fear from the Traders because Traders the game itself in my opinion is a little bit skewed in the Trader's favor because there's not much that Traders need to do except for sitting back and creating chaos so that's my biggest issue with Traders is the fact that they don't do more they don't sabotage the challenges to get more hints out there or something like how are people supposed to get these Traders and how has Peyton supposed to get the hit off him without giving to too much away yeah well Hayden honestly reminds me a bit of I've forgotten that I think it's Matt first boot of season three of Aussie Survivor the traffic cop right yeah traffic cop I loved his little intro package or he's like acting like he's saving the world and he's like you're doing 60 in the 50s own mate that's not on but no the

25:27 Sneaky Steve you know my hero monkeys too I thought of multiple ways to get him in today don't you worry no yeah like all this guy had to do was shut up and then he just blew up his game at Tribal Council and I feel like Peyton's a bit the same like the second something comes his way like he just can't like can't handle like the pressure but all he has to do is just sit back and go like no it's not me like have calm one-on-one conversations with people maybe just to like reaffirm and like show how trustworthy he is you know I mean because yeah it was Sarah throwing his name out and I mean Sarah didn't seem like the most I guess trustworthy source of information like from what I could tell yeah I thought it was like he just had to sit back and relax yeah so obviously you know Peyton's struggling I think like I would be shocked of Peyton isn't the next person murdered because why keep someone in the game that clearly is a faithful they're clearly you know can rally maybe numbers now because people now know that they can rally around him unless he's played the worst Traders game in the history of the show you know you've got to kind of get rid of this guy in my opinion at this stage unless you really want to throw them in a different direction which they've done very effectively and we'll talk about the first person that they're removed from the game

26:47 Very soon but before that we haven't really touched on any of the challenges now when it comes to Challengers and traitors I my criticism last season and I didn't cover it on the podcast last season or on the show here but my criticism last season was the fact that challenges felt like it didn't mean much because they're going to get 250 000 by the end of this regardless you know they're going to make a way to get more money in there and it's going to be 250k so you know it's semantics having the silver bars out there and saying you're doing 30k this episode of 40K it's still a bit of a criticism that I have but one thing I will say Kahuna that I really am enjoying and you watched last season is the fact that they're bringing the shield in earlier so at least there is an element of safety now that someone can get it took a long time in the first season and this is something that they stole I believe from the UK version of the show where the shield was immediately available in the team challenges in that season as well so has that fixed it for you or do you still think that there's a little bit more they can do on these challenges to up the stakes because in my opinion the parole is yeah it's definitely a show where it's unlike other shows like survive well Survivor not as much but it shows like the challenge million dollar Island we saw 100 was very focused on the physical challenges they made it a big part of the show and I've never felt that on

28:08 The Traders the challenge is the primary thing it's kind of a secondary thing to build the part where the real game is the interactions is the Cluedo of it all like they're trying to figure it out and you get a lot of shots and a lot of time on the little interactions in the Milling about and the challenges although not primary to the whole thing of the show they end up being a bit of fun they end up being a test of communication and teamwork and all that sort of thing and it can bring out the stress of challenges the physical difficulty the tiredness it can it can let a Trader slip in some of the things they say it can bring out like the stress of it maybe brings out the snapping and drama and tension and that sort of thing so I think it adds in that level of thing because it just adds another level of complexity to the social game but the social game is definitely the important thing as far as for you yeah question for you on that while you're on that train of thought if you were out there and you're playing this game and you realize that someone is horrible at the challenges and they're losing you money would you consider voting them out even if you thought they weren't a Trader just because you want to get that bag in the next episode because you know that's the kind of stuff that I probably would do if I saw someone struggling and I wanted to get some more money I'd be like this person's lagging behind I don't know if they're going to help me get to 250

29:28 Do you think that's going to be something that people will take into consideration later on in the game I mean if you're a Trader for sure right like you're trying to build that part and make sure that the like and if it's a faithful then definitely an easy get rid of right they're dragging down the money they're dragging in the team in that regard and it's another thing but yeah like I don't know like it's an interesting choice on how you justify I like what you said before Chris I think in a game like this that is very much skewed towards the Traders I don't know what like I'm watching the show and I was trying to you know how you do that thing where you try to put yourself in their shoes and I'm going if I was there what are you actually looking at what do you see that gives you any sort of clue as to who a Trader actually is because you're right there's no sabotages there's nothing that they have to there's no mission complete yeah there's nothing they're just competing as per normal be quiet and no one will possibly know anything right like so I find that same thing himself Sam's hanging himself which is what we said earlier by I think that's why a challenge can add that extra level of like Randomness like you don't know what might happen on the challenge and stuff like that like we've seen like in season one the Angus and Nigel

30:48 Attempted drowning when they were on the challenge yes and that kind of brought some tension into the trader fold right and people like everybody's radar yeah and that really so maybe that's part of the motivation of it and when you've got like if you're going to have a challenge as I said it's not as physically competitive they're not doing things against each other there's no tackling games or like you know anything like there's no physical endurance type things it's a lot of teamwork communication and they kind of make things I think anyway in the first challenge with the two Trojan horses that you set on fire and sing crashing through a wall like that's a visual spectacle almost like Chris on the challenge how we get ones that it's not about the challenge itself it's that it looks really nice on TV and yeah and I think that one kind of maybe the flame wasn't as big as it could have been once they send it flying down the hill but it was a good looking one with these two giant horses picking up all the stuff so I dig it's it's a fun element but it's not key to the show yeah shout out to Paul who absolutely dominated that first challenge you know pulling their Trojan Horse up there the guy has lost his arm he's lost a leg you know being a Navy bomb diffuser or something like that diver and going in there being

32:09 Attacked by a shark I can only imagine how that would put you back you know and this guy's got the best attitude in life you know get up get on with it go to work and that's that Navy SEAL Navy type of training mentality that he clearly still has and you know he didn't give up they were behind that team red team and he ended up pulling that up one of the other things I noticed that was quite funny in the first challenge was that three out of the ten people in the red team were Traders obviously at this point they didn't know who the other Traders were in the game but that meant that there was a 30 chance that one of them would get the shield but the best bit of sort of I guess strategy comes at the point where they have to go to the Armory and ah before we get into that yeah can I just am I'm trying to do my memory bank scans like Matrix style I'm trying to remember what it was but I think the shield is actually different this year than last season it's less powered I thought that's why in last year they had the shield challenge like they had to do an additional challenge to then actually they did have to do it yeah they had to do an additional one and whoever won the individual challenge would get it but this time it is a random draw with having to open the boxes which is similar to what the UK did you yeah and the US so this one is community immunity from murder when they won the challenge because there's an additional level of difficulty it actually gives

33:29 You immunity from the murder and then the next banishment as well yeah it could I thought it was also I thought it was also from banishment but you're right they did clarify and I said no it's only from murder that you get saved because when guy was in trouble he said that you know at the end of the day I need not to get banished so the murder side of it is not a big problem or you know getting removed from the game for YouTube dude welcome back to the live stream really appreciate the one dollar there that you've given us for in case this video does get absolutely flagged by YouTube which is possible because of some of the terms being used in this game so really appreciate it hope you're doing well by the way Char dude I saw you this weekend I think we were talking about the challenge and you dropped in for a hot second and then bounced back out and I couldn't respond it just wasn't there wasn't an opportunity because it was popping off in the life but I appreciate you jumping in every now and again and it's good to see you back here on the channel we haven't seen you since Australian Survivor I believe so glad to have you back here on the live but yeah getting back to some of the questions here that's being asked Andrew's asking what position would you guys have chosen clearing or pulling I would have done good with both I think so I wouldn't have I would have been happy to do whatever the team needed me to do at that point but you know Kahuna what would you have

34:49 Done would you have done the clearing or pulling no I'm pulling for sure like I'm less running and standing still using weight and strength and leverage that's where my skills would be as opposed to running Mucky is Mucky is good at clearing a room and not good at pulling so I feel like you know what [Laughter] what would you is there a third option where I could just stand there and do nothing I feel like I feel like Tom would be good at pulling so I'd put him on pulling oh I like to clear you know I like to just do the Running part that's fun for me that's my go-to it's good to have you back here child dude so much fun here on the podcast as we're getting through the Traders content I do want to get to the Armory and Armory I want to give a shout out to Roger who for me personally I've not seen Paul Henry do his bit for Traders New Zealand but Roger man this guy is brilliant as a host like he really lives eats and sleeps this role as host I mean he's so actively involved which is something that's very different on Traders it's required of the Traders host to be an active part of the show and to really you know give you that aura that you're in this house of murder mystery which he does exceptionally well and he's got such a great sense of humor I mean even

36:09 At the banishment when you had guys say I'm an award-winning actor and he's like well lucky for some you know just the second vanishment as well Liam was like I'm so glad to have met an actor in Guyton yeah and foreign and there goes another podcast that no one ever asked for and I was like Roger 19 of them [Laughter] I have a very special place in my heart for Roger Corsa he's done a lot of TV in Australia which probably not a lot of people watch but I did Rush in 2008 was Sergeant Lawson Blake he's amazing and he was also his first acting job was the Australian production of rent in 1998 and I went and saw that and Roger played Roger and to this day however many 25 years later he just holds that special place in my heart he was in rent my favorite musical and now he's just Hamming it up in as the Traders host and it's so great I really badly want traders to do well this season I haven't had the opportunity to look at the ratings I don't know if any of you have been able to look at the ratings maybe kuna I'll get you to look that up in the background while we

37:29 Talk about this yeah but I really hope that the ratings will increase this season and that it does well and we're going to convert them one at a time because childhood here in the Life are saying I haven't watched the Traders yet is it recommended as a Survivor lover well good thing is we've got two Survivor lovers well four Survivor lovers here but you know two super big fans that have applied for the show in the past which we'd love to see both of them get on there Tom what would you say is it recommended for a Survivor lover to give Traders a chance yeah I think 100 I've enjoyed it so far and I think it's the best substitute I suppose to Survivor if that's your go-to show I think it's got like the most similar kind of strategy components out of reality TV so yeah 100 there you go and Mucky what would you say because you're basically talking about both New Zealand and Australian Traders so you're all in right now all I gotta say it's very bold of you to assume that was not on Australian Survivor just a bit of a cheeky tease maybe yeah no yeah I'd say it's really I feel like childhood was on because charu just went missing for a couple of months and suddenly he's back so charu I feel like you may have been on Survivor and we just don't know about it yet yeah maybe we're both on

38:52 First second date more likely all right behave Mucky what do you feel do you feel like people should watch it yeah oh absolutely yeah absolutely it's a fantastic show I mean I haven't seen the I haven't seen the American or the UK version or the I've only seen a few episodes of the first season but of Australian Traders but not you know all of it and but so far I'm loving it I'm not sure how the in-game sort of goes just yet but so far yeah you've got your strategy in the New Zealand one this just such great characters all around like everyone is super entertaining and this one everyone is super entertaining as well and yeah as Tom said casting really is casting is really all of it and again this brings up and I hate to compare it I honestly hate to compare it but you got to do it you know both Kahuna and Mucky had this argument towards the end of Heroes versus Villains that you just can't get 24 great casting choices on a season and that's why they have to give 80 off the content to George and Simon and Haley because just you know Australia doesn't have the characters Tom we're watching

40:12 This season there's a lot of great characters there's not many dads does this prove that you can get good casting for shows like Australian Survivor in the future yeah 100 and I think like there are some I want to say Duds because they haven't had a chance to shine like I may have not known who the first person who got murdered was until the second episode and during the recap but apart from that I think everyone's a lawyer a lawyer yeah I honestly I didn't know she was there so I felt sorry for I don't even know the name of the person I'm sorry Angelica yeah but no apart from that I feel like it was it was really strong and I love a lot of the cast even if one of my favorites has already been eliminated which is a bit painful who was that Elias no so my cousin is married to Gordon grantley's brother so I was rooting for him and Luke and so episode two was rough for me yeah thank you jeez so quickly and I mean guy didn't just right from the start people were taking shots at them they were saying you know you're an actor you would know how to you know behave in this situation and I was wondering you know like because we heard the whole season when PL was playing how much power there is in being an actress you know is that something that people took to heart if there were Survivor fans coming

41:32 Into this Luke played with Pierre did that put an extra Target on Guyton as well you know because he didn't trust them at all after the season that he played with Pierre previously did that take you know did that play into the thinking here gonna make some sense of this and while you've got the mic as well let us know if you saw anything in regards to the ratings yeah ratings it's soft it's not great it started Sunday night anyway was 216 000 after they doing last season with 257 000 so it's gone backwards from season one and we also know that season one was not particularly great for Pendleton that they renewed it despite that but that like we heard million dollar Island just coming off that's why I keep bringing it up but hosting that I think they were in the 400s pretty consistently and the fact that the Traders debuted at 216 is not a good sign yeah it's tough and I mean should we orchestrate a writer's strike over here in Australia as well just so we can get more of our reality TV coming up you know because they're doing wonders for us over there in the US right now yeah we're gonna get it anyway regardless I think we're going to get a lot of reality TV because of that fact alone so yeah what was the other question sorry so I apologize so guidance Gaiden obviously you know he was an actor coming into

42:52 The show people were starting to fired him very early on what could he have done differently where did it go horribly wrong for him and do you feel like someone as powerful as Lucas charismatic as Luke coming into this game not trusting him really you know was the thing that was going to get him eliminated always and how much off PR did he see in Gaiden because obviously if he is an actress who did extremely well in the season that he played with look I'm not sure about what Luke's motivation and thought process is as far as relating to Pia and past experiences there might be a little bit of leftover like PTSD from losing than seeing peer win so he might have that built-in thing about untrustworthiness with actors but I don't think Guyton necessarily did what's wrong at all like that first banishment like they taught like the whole episode was about Sarah Payton and Elias and then all of a sudden Elias is like what about Guyton he acts and people like yeah hmm like I think it was what we were saying before that there's so little to grasp onto almost like in the first couple episodes of Survivor where they make their decision almost based on like oh they annoyed me in Camp with the way they were cooking or like you're looking for anything you're trying to just find what can I choose to influence

44:12 My decision and Elias throwing out that the guy's an actor I guess is as good as anything else because when you don't have a lot of things to build any theories off of you're just grasping at straws and a lot of the theories early on seem to be pretty like weak like well he's an actor he's a great one like even the one with the Luke like what was the whole thing with Luke as well like oh it's a previous Survivor yeah like he knows how to be devious like Luke is not a necessary Luke and Guyton are not necessarily really bad decision if Annabelle said I've watched every single version of this show and when they have the celebrities on they always choose one I think we should aim for one of these people because it makes a lot of sense right there's logic behind that there's a thought process I've seen that you're making that decision based on some sort of input rather than going well he's an actor and Elias said it and he's gone now so therefore if Elias called him out and Elias is gone Guyton must be the trailer yeah it's so topless like it's obviously not him because he would not do it to cast light on himself as the trader but yeah I don't know they it seems to happen that way yeah it's so obvious Tom go let us know what you thought about that strategy

45:32 He said toddler I was going to say like eight-year-old so yeah but like it was honestly so but if I was garden and maybe he did say this and just didn't make the cut but I would have said I would have explained it like that why would I murder Elias that's his name yeah Elias if like everyone knows he's the one who threw heat on me like that's just like such an obvious mistake for me to make as a Trader clearly the Traders are trying to frame me your old plebs and then drop the mic and you know just honestly Dead Set like it really annoyed me that the end of that episode but yeah it was so it was so obvious and I felt like Luke you know it's interesting to see a guy like Luke not be a Trader because we had to recumb back and I've compared look to Siri a lot on the podcast where I said he's got a social game that can match someone like Serene I stand by that we even saw it in this episode him working the room being friends with everyone which again is putting a lot of a Target on him because people are saying he's too good at this game he's done it too often he knows what he's doing you know if he is a Trader he's going to get in good with everyone and then go to the end game but Luke so far when it comes to finding out who the Traders are he's struggling with that it's clearly a different skill set that is now required

46:53 From him one that he hasn't been tested on yet and it's interesting to see you know a great player not get all the power of a Trader because he's calling himself like a shark in the water he can smell trailer blood and you'll be able to sniff it out you know we haven't seen that yet so the jury's still out on Earth Luke can actually play an effective season or Mucky if Luke is going to be that weapon that the Traders are going to weaponize within the game to end up keep you know to keep people guessing and to keep them and sort of you know La Land when it comes to who the Traders are well I actually thought that he was going to figure it out because when Sam comes to him and it's like no I've got everyone on there so I've got everyone on there you know we're doing this we're doing this you'll find you're fine like he was not giving any real reason to why he thinks Ash's potentially a trailer he's just us yeah he's just like you know Luke was asking him yeah exactly but I think and you know maybe this comes into predictions for next episode I think Luke is going to figure out that Sam is actually a Trader and that he dubbed Ash to be a Trader as well because we haven't said that scene where he tells Ash you know like across the table as well so I think while Luke when it comes to you know I think there's a dynamic rounds I think you're halfway to the truth here and obviously we can only go by the

48:13 Editor's show for those that have actually been out there but when you look at the show and you look at that conversation happening there I think you knew something was off which is why you didn't want to follow Sam into that vote but the three people and I don't know how much weight is behind this the three people who came into the game together was Sam Luke and Annabelle and I feel like there's a bond that formed between the three of them very early on knowing Luke he probably would have worked that car a little bit with both of them so Sam felt comfortable enough to go to Luke to propose this in the first place and we see conversations between Annabelle and Sam about making this move on Ash and him in the middle of the banishment shaking his head to edible saying no the move's not on and she ends up not pulling the trigger either so this the whole thing with Annabelle being a fan of Luke's you know I feel like he'll need to get Annabelle on board with the same move of what's going to happen because I feel like there's something between the three of them there that potentially formed very early on that is making it very difficult for them to make the move I do want to go back to the Armory just before we go on because I have not had an opportunity to talk about this you know at the end of the day we had Annabelle say that she's this big fan of Traders she's seen all the shows clearly that knowledge came to came into play in the first Armory because when the red team went

49:33 In there and they all came out she said if you got the shield don't tell anyone because that way all of us will be safe and the traitors will have to put their vote on someone on the other side if they wanted to get rid of someone which is gay great strategic play Tom but is she also putting a Nick out there a little bit too much too early on because now people know that she's a player she's come to play is she doing the Double Bluff is she playing 40 chess as a Trader saying that or is she definitely not a Trader because she's trying to prevent them from doing it but most importantly is she a little bit too smart for the game I think well she definitely is very smart like you can see it but yeah she's showing her cards I think a bit too much and just like maybe it's like really enthusiastic about the opportunity I know I would be if I was on one of these shows so yeah I think I think she needs to like maybe keep it quiet a bit maybe not wear a pajamas to breakfast as much you know just like keep it cool you know I think yeah did you guys notice you were she was the only one wearing her pajamas to breakfast like I'm sorry that was like really I was like what when Elias came in I was like are they pajamas too I wasn't quite sure he was he was bordering but there's something great

50:54 Pretending she was in the Barbie movie instead of our Traders yeah because in the New Zealand Traders there was a lot of trust formed because these two guys had the exact same style of pajamas and they said okay I know this guy is not going to be a Trader if it comes to breakfast we're in the same the same pajamas and yeah did it work for Elias this time around the pajama Alliance never happened but yeah I mean listen you can we're all just living in Annabelle's world right now like I feel like there's like we said that Sam's got a little bit of main character syndrome I think Annabelle is the main character right now the longer she's the longer she is in with the comments that she's made like for instance the one liner of you know about the Traders saying that you know you don't want to you don't want to startle your enemy you want to get in bed with them and then you know sort of strangle them or something like that yeah it's just brilliant like she's like Annabelle has prepared her whole life to get onto one of these shows you know she's a massive fan she watches all of the survivor shows she's one of us and she got the opportunity to go out there and play so you know I know I'm being a little bit critical of the fact that she showed her cards very early on but also this is the first banishment she's badly wanting safety not to be the first person to go home we all know that

52:14 That's the biggest fear Fighters fans if we ever get out there on a show like this we wouldn't want to be the first person to go so I'm hoping that she can pull it back a little bit continue to be smart continue to work in the shadows and obviously be her marvelous self to us when she talks to the camera and do some damage I want to bring up childhood's comment here thank you so much for the two dollars we really appreciate it Char dude asks do you think Luke will get voted out as a threat Tom what do you think oh that's hard to say I think they'll keep him in like there's no there's no need to like murder him that's for sure and like you said before and I think I think he'll survive a bit now that Gideon's gone like you know both of them both of them were drawing so much heat but I think by the time by the end of next episode there will be one or two people who are in the hot seat more so than Luke similar to how Sarah was in the hot seat in the first episode and now like No One's Gonna Get rid of her now yeah she slipped into the background yeah did a good job at it yeah but yeah and also if the whole thing happened in the next episode where Luke does sniff out Sam is going to give him so much credibility in the game where people are going to be like well it could be then that the Traders say well we've got to deal with them at some stage because he's going to get powerful

53:34 We just can't do it immediately afterwards but it's also going to give him some credibility I think with the faithfuls where people are going to be like we I think that the higher likelihood is there personally that Luke is going to get banished by the rest of the house at some stage than what it is for the traders to take him out right now unless he does end up becoming a traitor Hunter like the you know he said earlier in the season if that happens then maybe he becomes a thread down the line but clearly I think he's a weapon that they can use within the game right now he's going to be there for a little bit longer stall at the stage in the game let's talk a little bit about the Second Challenge Kahuna because there was a lot going on in the Second Challenge we had a boat two boats going out there to get puzzle pieces they had to build only one boat came back puzzle only one bird came back what the hell happened there and what was Blake doing explain it to me mate that's the one trailer we haven't spoken about yet and I feel like that is probably why he's also doing the best job at being a Trader so far because people are forgetting about Blake out there bless I don't know like we didn't get to see any insiders to how the decisions were made as to who the two rowers are and the runners and the builders and stuff so I'm not sure what gave people the impression like no idea this guy's gonna be a good rower so weird unless he somehow asks for it or navigated

54:55 His way into it for some reason it's like I said if this was like I know we haven't talked about it but I think you said we may in an upcoming shows the mole the mole has to sabotage the challenges yeah like they job it and it all I was watching going wait a second did they sabotage on this because Blake is doing a hell of a job right now like I was like as a Trader he's trying to ruin the challenge what is going on that was fascinating to watch it she was like falling backwards sunk the whole thing and then the fact that they even caught up and we're actually in the fight to build by pushing the blocks manually through the water was pretty impressive I think Blake is a great character a lot of fun he added to that even with his incompetence it made it funny and great TV moment to see up sinking ship like when I was watching it and I took my notes I actually wrote something like copying Titanic and then I was stoked to find later in the episode Roger mentioned in the banishment that they were doing the Titanic copying acts there Rose and Jack so look I have no idea I don't know why would select him I don't know why some like even some of them like even the builders and stuff I was like he's clearly like put him on the build like what's happening here I don't I don't know why

56:15 Like but it was fun to watch that's for sure yeah I mean it was it was entertaining to watch I will say as a positive obviously his challenge performance has not been good but if I had to put money down right now on who is the most likely Trader to survive until the end I feel like Blake has got that ability you know he there's something about him I know none of you really watch Big Brother either but he gives me like Derek vibes from Big Brother 16 I believe that won that season where he also had a hoodie he was an undercover cop very low-key had a way of blending in with a crowd but I mean Derek had a really good strategy and a strategic game that I don't know if Blake still has it in him but you know Blake making a move on Angelica in the first you know Murder you know the moving someone off the game please YouTube Let Us slide that one in there you know making that move on good move yeah it was a good move yeah because everybody seems to be leading the Traders seems to be like dictating their choices yeah and then also on Elias that was his move as well yeah you know so he has been able to get his way up until this point which is impressive because both Ash and Sam are big characters and Sam clearly wants to play his own game and Sam could have chosen where he wanted to go with his Target and he chose Ash over Blake as a Trader he would

57:35 Sacrifice so Blake just seems to be Tom in the best position right now for all of the Traders in the game I think so and can I just say like when they're doing the Epic walk-up with the three Traders and they're like gowns and masks like you see Ash and old mate unmask and you know they sort of look like Traders and backstabbers but then Blake pulls his and you just got the glasses the short guy with the big beard and he's just like oh hi I kill people too you know oh no he's a great pick for a Trader because I think he's one of the last people in the cast you'd expect to actually be one yeah it just doesn't scream that just doesn't give you that Vibe you know but yeah the opposing team they do end up giving a life raft literally to the losing team here at Luke's team so they could still try and finish this puzzle which was great to see because at the end of the day it still does come down to the money Mucky did you think that there was any shot in hell that Luke was going to be able to pull this one off coming back from behind because I mean we know that Luke is not bad at challenges he's not bad at puzzles and Survivor did you think that he could do it here in this episode and we were you as gutted as me when you just couldn't pull it off well there's actually a challenge in Big Brother where he was facing off against one other guy and they had to build this block slight you know really hard but the blocks were light and I think his soda box fell

58:56 Like twice because I think it was like you know scared of heights or something you keep falling off and the blocks are falling off but he still came back and still won the challenge you know despite him you know falling off his plots falling twice compared to the other guy where his stuff never fell over once you know so I was I was really hoping I did find it quite funny how Luke was like Loki single-handedly like you know swimming all the way out there pushing all the blocks to like Blake and then bring it all down back ashore but it was close though it was like they're only a few blocks away like from actually winning the challenge so I thought there was a chance but yeah they're just so far behind with that one unfortunately so obviously they don't get all the money they get 32 000 here instead of the full bag but again this is where the anti-climatic part of the show comes in for me because I feel like at some point down the line they're going to be able to make up that money from memory on the previous shows they always get an opportunity to make back the money to earn what they rightfully would earn at the end so unless they make it a thing where you're gonna actually earn less money I still have like a little bit I don't know why it is it's my OCD brain that just kicks in me I'm like there needs to be more to the challenge but you know they do go back to the Armory and we get Simone the wrestling girl she gets for a second time in a row like it's like

1:00:16 A magnet the only thing I'll say is you know they're like my run out and it may run out at the point where she really needs it right now she's not in anybody's radar she's getting the shields it's all coming up good for her but down the line down the line in the season she might not be as lucky when it comes to this but this is the episode where Sam goes to work really hard he tries to get this vote moved off you know a guy but for some other reason he just can't get the numbers together because Luke is a counter Force Luke's starting to get in trouble people are thinking about Luke is a potential option here and we see a lot of Luke talking to a lot of people right here and somehow he turns it around on guy now is this something that you think is going to come back to look bad on Luke because he went so hard on going for guy where he was Under Fire where people could still look at this Kahuna and say well he tried to deflect and clearly he is the trader is the downside for him in this next episode I mean there always is the potential for that like as I said before we don't know that they have a lot of solid reasoning so far so when the reasoning was Elias has gone Guyton must have done it the next logical one is or Guyton was a faithful and Luke called him out so it must be luke like that's the when you're using that rudimentary logic

1:01:37 Process that's also the next rudimentary toddler eight-year-old logic step right well Luke was wrong on Guyton he must be a Trader like there's the potential that he could definitely be in trouble here but the fact that the Guyton vote was actually 15. I think it was 15 1-1 the vote count well yeah so the field that yeah it was shipping on one so that's either Luke being the most influential person ever and pulling people on that side through his conversations and through the banishment talk pitch or a lot of people had Elias sorry Guyton in their sights as well because of the Elias call out and all that sort of thing so and being an actor apparently that's enough so I think he's gonna be okay because there were so many people in on it wasn't like him necessarily dictating it because some people even said the ghost I think it was Blake actually so maybe it doesn't count because he's a Trader but basically saying the ghost of Elias wants us still like it's what Elias said that dictated what I'm doing today versus Luke got us on side when he was clearly wrong so I don't know how that's going to play out now towards the end of this we had a really big

1:02:57 Reaction from Annabelle like she was in tears when guy ended up going home Tom and I know this would infuriated you as someone that really wanted guy to stay in the game like you know was the tears a little bit too late and you know looking at that what did you think about the fact that this game seems to be emotionally and psychologically so draining on certain players while they're out there to the point where Hannah had to tell her you know that he's not actually dying this is a game right yeah like when I saw her crying I was like oh really he died in for like three days but like that's something I never understood like on Survivor and Traders now as well like when people like look so emotional it makes me kind of feel like dead inside because I feel like if that was me in that position I would just be like everyone else is like oh no oh the Traders are still out there and I'd just be like that's a shame all right but like I just don't get how like over emotional that they are but anyway like I think yeah too little too late if I saw someone crying because like they voted me out I'm like well maybe you know don't be an eight-year-old like with your thinking and you know solve this problem clearly it's Ash or Sam you know who's a Trader not me yeah so yeah and this is an interesting one as well

1:04:17 That Andrew is bringing up he's saying guy got voted out after Ash slipped up saying she was a Trader because she said you know talking to the Traders or something like that which it clearly shows like the game is next level because you know I listened to again this is talking about someone you guys don't really know Kahuna knows Cody calafuri's brother Paulie calafiri but Cody is a winner of Big Brother Big Brother All-Stars he's made it to the end twice in Big Brother in my opinion one of the best players to play big brother I know a lot of people don't like it because he voted out a lot of their favorites and all-stars and because of that people don't like Cody that much but he's a great player and he went to go play traders in the US and really said that psychologically and emotionally it drained him so much more than big brother and with whom it was the fact that he had to he was a Trader and he had to hide the fact that he was a Trader and it really got to him and he said that this game he felt like was psychologically Next Level so I feel like it's one of those things where we haven't been out there we haven't experienced it yet it's from the side unlike you Tom I look at it I'm like I can't relate I feel like I would be Stone Cold and be like one step closer to the end but if you're out there you probably form real relationships with people you probably do get close to them in a certain way I would like to believe I wouldn't but you don't know until you're out there how you're going to react and I want to bring up this comment because Andrea is saying I love henna for that

1:05:38 Comment and he says we need to see Annabelle versus Hannah for the rest of the season now I've got a feeling that none of you have watched below deck but I have because I actually really enjoy that type of show like where it's about yachts and sailing like I just went on a cruise not that long ago boy it's like I like the Finer Things in life okay I like going out you know but you know Heather is a massive character like you wait like Kate also a hit stewardess who also did they did that and she had like issues with Kate they blew up you know like to see Hannah come on this one like she's gonna deliver she hasn't delivered yet she's about to blow up in the coming episodes Kahuna have you seen below deck have you seen henna in action because she could be no I've not I've not but I was like I was like wait did they just copy the like they got the same person from the Australian version hoping to replicate the same drama maybe I don't know because there are similarities yeah that was good in the US version so if that's what she brings yeah for sure it's coming she's just it takes a little bit more to get Hannah there but she's like a good diesel engine

1:06:58 When she warms up and she starts running No One's Gonna Stop I'm telling you now you guys are in for a treat bananas that's you know if the henna versus Annabelle but I mean I feel like Annabelle's not really coming at Hannah directly not yet in any case but if the claws come out this could be very entertaining to watch you know we had Rachel Riley and Kate in Traders us could this be a Rachel Riley versus okay 2.0 here for Traders Australia we can only hope we can only hope that people are starting to watch the show a little bit more so that we can see the ratings go up and that the show continue on here in Australia because it's a lot of fun to watch so far I'm gonna come over to you we've spoken about a lot what's the obvious points here you also had a couple of notes there is there something I missed out on that you feel like we needed to address or talk about a little bit before we sort of close things off here with this week's action for traitors no I think we've covered all the all the big hits like everything that I sort of gotten we've sort of gone over and I've peppered in some of the bits that I wanted to put in there as well the kitties I wanted to add this okay yep I just want to add this I don't want to add this you know Camille and Keith both being you know Keith previous undercover cop you know interesting background you'd think you'd do well at something like this and then Camille also obviously being Australian federal

1:08:18 Police or something like that kind of like a 007 being out there Tom it's not looking good for the Australian you know police force they seem to always get elves on these reality shows when they come on and they just don't seem to be able to get it together like should I lose faith in the police force over there I don't know if I should comment on this my sister's a police officer and in our family we have this thing like we all believe we would be the best on Survivor and do the best and right I definitely think she would get voted out in like very early so I don't know maybe it is a police officer thing but I also hope no police officers are watching this because you know I don't want to get not if they are we're telling the police team police all the way Camilla keeps doing a great job so far but yeah it was fun to see them completely be snowed at this point and on the wrong track and Camille even and Keith like I think it was Keith specifically they also started talking about him because in the previous season there wasn't all the guy Nigel who was the trader so you know the only really old guy this season is Keith Kahuna so maybe that brings a little bit of fire his way as well yeah I like I like it I think he's gonna go well like you know earlier in the episode in this in the podcast I was saying how

1:09:38 They all seem to be this Trope like almost fictional like they're not real and keep like if he goes I'm retired I just do whatever I do and he made a funny joke about 250 000 buying a boat named happiness and the fact that like yeah the retired police officer is the gray-haired cardigan wearing like again that stereotypical Trope of just this kindly Old Gentleman who's hiding something under the surface which is great and Camille as well the mother of three but they're kind of picking up on each other because I think Keith said like she's the mother of three but I'm getting something more than that and they must be getting like I guess it's like gator like if there's cop Vibes or something like they see the way they carry themselves I don't know that's why they don't trust each other it's called phrenology they've got like the same skull that happened with Tony and Sarah Lucina and Survivor yeah the same thing they sniffed each other out or sniffed out that Tony was a cop and he was lying about it but yeah it's gonna be interesting I can't wait to see how that plays out it's probably one of the last things I didn't touch on but out of here is asking is Hannah as explosive as Kate yes like honestly do yourself a favor watch the seasons with Hannah and Kate both on the same season where Kate's the main Steward she's the head Steward and Hannah's the up and coming one and the explosion

1:10:58 Was having both of them on the same yacht living in very close proximity to each other it was pure drama gold and I don't normally like the Trashy drama type of stuff but this was fun to watch because both Kate and Hannah they've got like a wave of words so they can insult each other in a very funny and smart way and talk at a certain level which is very entertaining to watch but yes she is just as explosive as Kate she can definitely deliver this season so I'm very happy to see her on Andrea's saying Keith and Camille bus stops as Keith as suspicious of her which we've just addressed Jonathan does Camille get hit for bringing up the potential Ash Blind Side yeah I think I think they kind of alluded to that right Governor towards the end where Camille might get a little bit of heat as well but Sam is definitely going to get the most like we already saw that in the upcoming episode she might get it for snitching but she wasn't the initiator of it so I don't think Ashley's gonna be aiming at her more asking who was it who was it kind of thing and we see in the in the coming up for next episode that yeah the Ash and Sam thing is heading to a very sticky end I think potentially even the next episode so that'll be interesting to see Andrew here says and yes the old guy on Traders Australia season one Lost That

1:12:18 Season so is there a reason why they're highlighting him in episode two and then Android Lee says yes it was so I think we're on the same page there Andre as well Mucky any final thoughts there from your end final thoughts on how both Traders seasons are stacking up so far you know yeah are you how are you doing are you surviving like mentally watching both of these shows at the same time and I'm very impressed you haven't had the names mixed up so far you know you see it's because unlike you guys I'm a professional all right you know how do I get my shows mixed up you know as Andre would know it's no longer the nullify take on the New Zealand Traders it's the Mucky takeover the TMT so yeah no I'm I don't get any names mixed up because I'm the I'm the real G I'm the top staff but now I'm really enjoying it and I think it's like both the shows have got terrific casting like 10 out of 10 casting there isn't a single dad and it's funny because even with the New Zealand one they've got like celebrity casting but all of them are still so entertaining to watch as well so where sometimes in Australian Survivor they have celebrities but they're more boring than you know a paper bag right so it's

1:13:39 Yeah it's just interesting in terms of casting but I feel like both the Traders have got you know the casting nailed on the head or on the wall I should say you know YouTube please don't hurt us but yeah that's great yeah I'm really enjoyable both the Traders Andre Lee here with the question of all questions as we started to close off this podcast and I think it's only right that we get the Newbie on the show to answer this Tom who do you think is going next this is going to be ashel Sam I think Sam's definitely having a flame out you can see like they're trying to squeeze as much out of him as possible before he goes I reckon I think I think Ash I think if Ash wasn't the one to go first they would probably give her more time but now the way Sam's playing I love I love to see it's great and I hope he stays as long as possible but no he's got no shots surely so Tom if Sam does go next who do you think is going to be the best option for the traders to recruit because how it works in the Traders is that there's always three Traders so if one gets taken out the two traders that are in the game they're going to be able to invite another player that is currently a faithful to become a Trader who do you think would be the best suited person right now to

1:14:59 Join the team of Traders out there gee I was wondering what happened once like the Traders left I think maybe someone has already had the heat like thrown onto them like Sarah perhaps Sarah or Luke someone who's like already got gone through the Ring of Fire yeah I think that's an interesting one so how does it happen at the end then like if all if there's three Traders the entire way what happens at the very end of the show if there's so they get to a point in the game where if I remember correctly there's about six or seven players left there's a final point in the game where they have to vote con until there's only a set amount of players left like four players left in the game they have to keep voting someone out so going into that section of the game with three Traders if they're say six players left in the game would mean that it's a 3-3 vote the Traders at that point could easily you know stalemate some of the votes it's never happened so far as far as I remember but they have to then banish or banish people in the game to say I think you're still a Trader and there could be one person that wins four people that win three people at win but you've got to make the decision to say collectively you believe that there is no Traders left in the game and at that point the final reveal gets made to say yes there's a Trader left or not so out of the three

1:16:19 Seasons that I've watched only one season the faithfuls won two of the three seasons the Traders won because it's that much harder for you to be able to pick out who the Traders are because they've got all the power in the game and because like I said there is less opportunity for Traders to actually give their game away unless they're a Sam who very badly wants to play this hard which is great for us as people have watched the show but I don't know if it's necessarily effective at the end game another one that I want to throw in there for consideration is you know I would consider putting someone in there like I think you mentioned a few people there already that's good choices like you know Luke would be insane to see him as a Trader and also big Target so people will go for him before they come for you in the game so again you're getting another life ahead of you and then Annabelle I think is playing very hard she's shown to be very smart I think those two players both could make excellent Traders and then another person that's sort of starting to get on people's radar as Paul you know a lot of people have been saying well Paul could be a Trader like he's someone that could do extremely well but I also think Paul could you know potentially go deep in this game because he's a very likable guy so a couple of people there that I wouldn't mind seeing become traders in the future Kahuna you've got the mic here any final thoughts on Traders this first week before we close things off

1:17:40 No it's good I loved it I'm fully into the season I love the whole pageantry of it the social Lodge the social aspect the psychological aspect of it's a great show and I'm pleased to have joined you all for per episode one thank you for having me yeah well kuna we will have you back for the next two weeks because Tom sadly unless things change told me always welcome back if things change we'd rather have you here than not Tom's busy in the next two weeks you know he's already dropping us you know he's already becoming the true Trader amongst faithfuls here in the next two weeks I'll definitely make sure if I get home early enough the next two weeks I'll jump on the final five minutes to give my sneaky Steve take back for those and this is the first time we've ever done a four-person podcast here as well I thought it went pretty well so let us know in the comments below would you like to see all four of us back for more episodes in the future so first time we did such a big podcast but I had a lot of fun talking here about the traders in this first week thank you for everybody here that was with us in the live you know Char dude ADI Andre Lee Jonathan really appreciate you taking part in the conversation here tonight as well and hopefully next week we'll have a few more people because we will be back every week at the same

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