Australian Survivor HvV: Episodes 19 - 20 Review

0:00 Foreign [Music] [Music] [Music] thank you [Music] [Music] welcome back to the nullify Tech channel here on YouTube where we've got the TNT takes for you on Australian Survivor Heroes vs villains week 7 Action that's right we're back to dissect analyze and aim to entertain for the next hour or so I'm your host Kristen here with me is my two bridal dies I almost called you my pawns

1:22 I was fully I was fully expecting you to start crying after I said that monkey oh mate I'm not gonna cry I'm gonna grab a chin I'm gonna bloody throw it at you again very good I mean much like other people probably being told to your face that you're a pawn is not the best strategic move Chris but there's two of us here we can vote you out if you I was going to say from here from here on out I'll be podcasting on my own I've got no longer no dad Mucky here with me to do any of the Australian Survivor analysis let's say hello to a few people here in the live chadu saying yo Andrea Lee welcome to the live is well Paul Newman good evening wool nine house and Gabe Christmas pawns all in the chat here Tom McPherson said come on no problem what a week more action I actually kind of felt to be honest with you guys watching this week Kahuna I'm starting to get to the point it's like it's the George show isn't it like is anything going to change or are we just going to continue to see the George show right until the end until he wins this thing in the most dominant fashion that we've ever seen in any Survivor season the entire season we've been watching going they can't let him get to the end they have to vote him out someone

2:42 Has to take a shot and they just won't they just won't do it's a testament to George's game about how well he's got this Alliance together that no one's actually looking to turn on him yet at least and the fact that he's gotten as far as a huge deal about how big his game is yeah and clearly Mucky he made the right choice in taking out Shawnee instead of Liz because if he took out Liz I've Got a Feeling Shawnie would have had enough of a backbone to go against them but at this stage Liz has stayed with him and she's been fearful as the newer player and the one that doesn't have as much I don't think skill set at her disposal as Shawnee would have had in the game I think if Shawnee and Haley was left in this week coming into this week there could have been a flip here on George so clearly George knew what he was doing when he took her out yeah absolutely you know it's a is that syndrome of she knows what she's doing this on the other hand she doesn't quite know what she's doing so first time playing she's not sure what to expect is there 911 coming up is it not who knows she's not quite sure when it's the right time to make it for the progress I think with Shawnee she would be able to know okay here all the numbers here would be a good time to make a flip so yeah you know George Stephanie made the right decision of taking up Shani because I think Liz I do think this part of it there's maybe wanting to take on George but she's just

4:02 Not sure win the right time for this because there's a yeah it's the lack of experience really does really holding this back I reckon yeah 100 any spoilers in the life if it is accurate or not please don't put it into the live chat because we don't want to spoil for anyone that hasn't seen anything we do have Tom one of our moderators in the live as well and myself having a look at that so if it is spoiler related I'm gonna have to remove it I don't know if it's accurate or not but I just removed it I saw something there about speculation with sportsbet and things like that I know that has been happening for a long time over in Australia but all three of us don't want to be spoiled and I don't think anybody listening to this would like to be spoiled either right kuna absolutely I mean we're watching one of the best seasons of Survivor ever and you want to go along with the ride with that you don't want to have that spoiled not seeing what we're seeing at the moment you've got to go for the full experience and get that surprise I think yeah no issues I see I see I get it's it's no she's just be mindful of it even if it's not accurate or it's just throwing it out there but it sounds like it might be a spoiler I'd rather it not be mentioned than the chat just because that can influence also the way that we analyze and look at the game like when I whenever I watch Australian Survivor I actually don't even

5:22 Listen to that many other podcasts because I try to stay in my own bubble and have my own thought process coming into these chats when we talk about it because it's fun half of the fun for me is speculating who do we think is going to win like you know Mucky you and I talk about Survivor all the time like off air as well like we have so many conversations about what do we think is going to happen who's playing well who's not playing well what would we have done in certain situations right and that takes a little bit of the fun out of that oh yeah absolutely you know like I love speculating what would we have done you know in Simon's position George's position Mad Dog Jerry's position you know like yeah like the speculation is probably the best part when it comes to Survivor that's why it comes out week to week not and just shut up binge of that mixing so yeah all part of the fun childhood 18 here with the first question of the night says let's get a question off the bat who's the Survivor player of the week I'll get both Kahuna and Mucky to think about that for me it has to still be George like he is in control there's cracks that are starting to appear people now know that they need to go against them but surprise a Twist has heard George's game so that could be the downfall of George here you know everybody thought that the non-elimination twist was going to save

6:43 George in the game it looks like for the second season that he's playing it's actually going to damage his game instead of helping his game but I do think George is still in control we'll talk about that twist a little bit later on I do want to go over to Mucky because I know Mucky might give us a surprise player of the week who's the player of the week Mucky and why is it Matt [Laughter] it's actually Simon for me you know Simon he's had such a Rockies you know a rocky road this entire game and I think the fact that he's Stewie here at the final six you know he's never well I mean I guess it was kind of Saved by twist pre-emerge with a random immunity challenge pre-tribal but yeah I think that yeah you know he's doing great you know he's barely hanging on he's trying to make a move happen nobody's listening to him he's winning amenities and he's somehow scraping by he didn't receive a single vote in the last episode how nuts is that they dumped it all on Nina like that's absolutely Berserkers you know you would think you'll put three on Simon not three on Nina but hey what do I know I'm sitting my comfy chair and apartment not out in the island so yeah are you maybe swayed by a recent conversation you've had with Simon and that's why you're calling the player of the week I have I am a Tui actually let the audience know how good how good

8:03 Simon has been to you this week because apparently they don't ship the snuff hats to New Zealand yet no so as you guys may know Simon he's doing a snuffed hat I think this isn't it this is a Transformers hat but you sound like a but he's doing like a snuffed hat right and unfortunately I went to go buy one but they don't ship it to New Zealand so what he did was say he made an arrangement was like I would send it to his house and then he would send it that's probably the last person that he'll allow for that to happen because yeah if you're like you know I don't know if he's ever listened to our podcast but if he's ever listened to a podcast I would not tell Mucky where I live I'm in the same city as him I like how he goes straight to the source as well there's like you could ask me I'm here in Sydney Australia I would have afford it on you like no I'm going to the man himself I like that he's gonna help me testicular fortitude to just say it I'll go to the same person it's really good it's something it's assumptive closing that's what it's called exactly because Kahuna is smart enough to know never to give me his proper address but Simon he doesn't know that it might be just yet go know who's your who's your player of the week before we get into the action here for the week

9:23 Any episode that George is still hanging around it's got to be George it's the first time we did see cracks in and a bad read from George perhaps but and things going against him and starting to see it but the fact that he took out the queen Haley that there was the whole drama of him being real life friends him actually getting blindsided by the Sean vote before and then actually taking her out it has to be George every single time he's still going every time he's still there George is the winner until he's not yeah well that Sig weighs really nicely into the beginning of this episode because you know in episode 19 we start off back at Camp Sean's just been blindsided we've got all of the people in the camp sitting there together trying to figure out who's this person that betrayed them in the vote and George we spoke about it a little bit last week he's now had his finger on the pulse for a record amount of games I think he may have gone to the most tribal councils almost now well I guess Sean would still hold that record but he's getting up there for having gone to the most tribal councils and not having been voted out always knowing where the vote is going and he thinks Nina is that person who turned the tables on him and Haley is staying quiet throughout all of this conversation Mucky what did you think of Haley's game plan and how

10:43 She handled the situation being the hinky vote that went Sean's way that ended up voting Sean out I think it started off great but just like my draft pick it just went worse and worse and worse this time in times but no so like I think originally what she did by putting that phone on Joshua was magnificent I think would you told and admitted to Nina it was her I think doesn't even think further part by Haley I think if she just kept it quiet she didn't admit to anything I think that she is it could have gotten away with it you know obviously she did really want to take out George but she easily could have used Nina as an escape goat for basically everything to happen but I think when she admitted it to Nina had all the power in that situation not Haley where his original attempt was quite hated to have all the power so I think it was a good move but then it slowly became worse and worse as more information right I was a bit disappointed with Haley's game in this moment you know Haley is a great player she is someone that makes big moves that's why she's won once Kahuna because to get to the end you've got to swing for defenses if you don't swing you're not going to get there in the first place but where was disappointed was you know there's a couple of times the season where she's tried to work with Nina she's given a little bit of information in regards to you know the vote's going to go to Sam play your idol for Sam they don't play the idol for Sam

12:03 And she has this in her disposal it's a little bit of Social Capital that she's built in the game and social capital is so important and I thought she missed an opportunity when she spoke to Nina in this position when she walked with Nina calls her over and she says listen I'm not going to own up to it you've got to take the blame for it but she doesn't explain to Nino why she should take the blame for it which is for her to continue to be a double agent find out where the votes are going to go so they can turn against George and she doesn't leverage the information the accurate information she has given Nina before in the game bus saying that Sam was going to get voted out so maybe some of these things did happen and we just didn't see it play out on our screen I felt like Haley is kind of just expected people to follow her and be Pawns of hers in the game and just play her game without going the additional step to actually give Nina that you know little bit of security that Haley is actually you know reaching out with an olive branch There's an actual deal on the table here Kuna yeah it was a misstep from Haley and one that ultimately led to her downfall she's actually said in her exit interviews that she thinks the way she managed Nina after the fact was it was a misstep from her as well she I think she could have not this like it was such an easy thing that would have been refuted as well like we saw when she actually leaked the news to Sam because they didn't take the advice good

13:24 Luck trying to you know call her out on it and she's like I didn't say anything but this one was so easily refutable and I think she actually said in the interviews that she was going to tell George and that it was a move from her but when he mistakenly sort of said it was Nina she went oh this maybe I can play this way instead yeah so that wasn't her intent and I think it did backfire because as soon as like she didn't manage Nina properly like you said like she could have actually approached her and said look that was me but we got something here we can actually do something if we pull Simon in we know Simon hates George we can do this but she actually said what she did that night after getting back Nina pulled her aside for a chat they had that talk because yeah it was me I'm not gonna say anything and then she went to sleep so she said like her problem was she went to bed straight after that and then Nina got to chat with George and the whole thing came I'm done but it was a misstep from her mismanaged the move itself was good it was the aftermath of not trying to contain it which really did her in I think I don't know what it was it was like Hayley just didn't go that extra mile this season and maybe the hunger wasn't 100 there she's already won it she's playing with house money but if you're gonna go up against the king and if you're gonna cost your friend potentially

14:44 Half a million dollars in the game by turning against them you've got to go all in the game to try and make sure you'll win it at least in my mind but again here does say Nina told Haley she knows it was her nothing Hayley would have said would have made a Nina believe it wasn't her no I think she always had to own up to the fact that it was her but I think that she needed to say I want to make a move I want to go against George in the game and I want to bring you with me Nina to the end your better friends with Sean your better friends with Matt you never betrayed them if you and I sit next to each other in the end you're gonna win because they like you better Survivor is a social game so I feel like she didn't use all of her tools for her disposal and going to bed early when we know Mucky you and I spoke about that even off air that all the Survivor Strat chat happens at night and we can see it here this season again yeah you know if there's one lesson we should take away from this is never sleep does nothing good for you okay so no yeah I think it was in a podcast that Luke did with Shannon you know after transfers contenders he said that how him and David got the contenders to flip on each on each other at that amazing swap episode was because they start up all night chatting to Daisy and John and they knew they wanted to work with them because they stayed up all night talking to them because if you're willing to sacrifice

16:05 Your sleep when you're naturally were so tired from the Hunger the challenges and everything if you're willing to stay up extra later just to talk to someone there's a genuine connection there which means that you're Isabel to work to work together so yeah night time's the Strat time and if you sleep then you're you can lose half a mil come to me I think yeah I think your bonuses you don't get sorry Crisco I was gonna say I think it takes an immense amount of energy and cons like that's why you see players like George up at night walking around thinking and strategizing and talking to so many people because he's hungry to win you see that from players like Tony blackles you see that from players like Luke Toki or David goodnight and I feel like Haley kind of lacked that a little bit I don't know why in the season but again I don't want to go too hard on her she did extremely well for a winner that came back to the show she went very deep in the game none of us thought she would make the merge in the first place so it's just something I observed here early on where I thought she could have gone a little bit extra but the other interesting conversation that happens here obviously is between Nina and George and Nina because she does not feel comfortable with Haley didn't do enough to make her feel comfortable she says George won the 60k award reward in the game and you know I

17:25 Know I know that you've won it and he asks who's the person who betrayed me and she says Haley in the spot kuna so very impressed by Nina because what does she do to do at this point she's at the bottom she doesn't feel comfortable that Haley actually wants to work with her she's got to let the cat out of the bag and hope she can survive for one more day and that's what it is it's one more day every time just one more day Sandra coined the phrase anyone but me and hey and Nina was happy to throw it back to Haley again like yeah if it's not me let's go Haley then George sure I'll work with you why not like I'm not getting it from Haley went to sleep didn't do enough to manage that George is he's up he's taking advantage and he's swooping in where there was an opportunity for Haley and we saw the result so absolutely yeah pink dolphins saying 500 000 is no joke and I agree 100 with you on that is a lot of money to win and what's really interesting here Mucky is that not only does Nina blow up highly spot in the game but she also blows up Matt spot in the game a little bit here because you know Matt knew about this information and didn't go back to George and report to him like a loyal soldier in the game and now George knows that this trap that he's laid has potentially caught two people in the game yeah absolutely you know and something that the Kahuna mentioned earlier as well it's all about just

18:45 Surviving one more tribal you know we're at the end game where you're making massive flashing moves or you know trying to win people over isn't as much of a priority now because the end is just so close in sight you know it's right there so it doesn't matter how you get there because at the end of the day it comes down to whether if you can get to the end and make a perch because once you make a pitch you don't know if the pitch will sway the jury or not you know Matt's got a great backstory but you know his wife's have been pregnant at home and stuff so even if you don't have many moods it's all about just getting there and I think it was very smart for Nina to expose that information you know leaving you know Matt in there as well because there's potentially two more spots that she's jumped up she's lift over Haley and leaped over Matt so yeah I think it was terrific play from Nena yeah and a lot of this episode you know the way that it was set up was we again hear about Haley and George wanting to go up against each other Haley doesn't think she can beat George at the end I've been saying this for a very long time I still believe Haley should have dragged or not dragged but jumped on George's back and got into the final three or final four and beat him at the end and then cut him because I think whoever's going to cut him in that situation and that's you know childhood asked earlier do you think George is going to win and I don't think Georgia's going to win I think George is going to get voted out before the

20:05 Final Tribal Council I know that's very disappointing for a lot of people to hear and I hope I'm wrong because George 100 deserves to win this season how dominant he's played I just think that clearly he can't win an endurance challenge clearly he's not going to beat whoever at the end and at some point it's either going to be Simon or Simon indirectly is going to have painted a big enough Target on George's back by consistently saying this guy is walking all over you he's going to win it by a landslide at the end that someone is going to pull the trigger and I think Haley should have been that person who pulled the trigger at the end of the game and she went to prematurely and hoping that she could claim a move in this spot before the end and maybe that yeah I mean if I imagine Haley's sitting there with Jerry and Matt at the end and she and she ends up you know going up against one of those two sure one in a landslide there Kahuna yeah I mean right now I think George wins in a landslide against anybody Haley included but there's Matt and Jerry don't have like the game according to Haley though in her exit interview because people are saying like how is this happening how is George continue to get through and apparently the big thing that George has been doing so well this season is convincing these guys that they have made moves and that they are big players that he's gotten to the point where Jerry thinks he's dominating

21:26 This game George has planted that in his head so well that Jerry thinks he can actually take him out and be good and Haley was like oh all right all right Jerry yeah it's all you man like which is crazy I think that George is so good that he's convinced these players that they're the ones running the game so well can I just say is it George that is that good or is it the fact that we've had so many recruits play this game who are not fans of the show I know Matt is a fan of the show but a lot of other people are not fans of the show matters also the one I'm the most disappointed by so far this season because as a fan of the show you'd expect Mucky you get an opportunity to play how can you sit back and let those you know absolute Titan in the game just make all the moves and you're thinking oh I can drag this guy to the end and beat him yeah exactly but you know Jerry's game right now you know you guys call him pause he's actually playing a very strategically dominating game you know there have been hence all throughout the season you know at one point Simon you know the fun will ever he wanted to split the votes and Jews said we can't split the votes we don't have the numbers he's putting facts bro he's putting facts and just like today you know with like the fire Simon use their dry wood to make a fire like may find your own wood you get it listen jeristan

22:47 Listen for those that are listening to the audio version I've just brought up the draft teams and you can see there's two people in his team Simon and Jerry so if you're wondering what Mucky did before he got on this podcast and how he can be so off about Jerry running the game it's because he is team monkeys two have won two survivors left in the game that isn't a team potentially to win the season for him so you know he's holding he's grasping by straws at the moment in the game but listen it's an interesting dilemma I think it kind of points out the fact that we need more Survivor people fans of the show to go out there and play this game people that are not there to become best friends with King George people that are not there to you know become buddies with them and have these signatures and worship them when they play the game but people who actually want to go up against them and beat them and I think that is what we're lacking a little bit it's been a great season it's been a lot of fun I'm a George fan but I also like seeing opposition and I see kuna that this week more and more people are coming around on Simon I see a lot of Simon love online a lot of people that are loving Simon and I think they're loving Simon because Simon's the only person who's not drinking the Kool-Aid at the moment I mean everyone loves an underdog especially in Australia we the Underdog Story in sports is you know as old as sport itself like competition itself you always go for the person

24:07 That's not winning to win I take a little bit of a different approach I do love a good Underdog Story but I also can appreciate when like I love watching greatness be great you know what I mean like as much as I would be super happy in a giant move that takes out George and the person that did that I will see I'll clap and say that was a great move if it was a great move but also like seeing George go on this run of like he deserves it now complete dominance like I love seeing that too so I'd be happy either way but seeing yeah like seeing greatness be great is a thing to watch and it doesn't come along often so when it does happen you really need to appreciate it I think yeah we've got a few people here saying George is a Russell I see it I see it in some ways to see a lot of similarities there's a lot of similarities being made between euros versus Villains I think where people are saying George is like Russell I think they're saying Nina is like Sandra and Liz is like poverty or something I saw some comparisons being made Char dude is saying fans versus favorites yeah I want to see a fancy with his favorites but I want to see actual fans go out there and play the game against the favorites and you know myself and Mucky have spoken about this a lot but there's so many people podcasting about the show Now you kind

25:27 Of have to wonder at what point is Survivor gonna say let's get some of these podcasters out there Mucky to put the money with their mouth is at and before you know it you and Kahuna are on a plane down to Samoa exactly you know Cahoon and I we can snuggle right by the fire in the middle of the night you know it's we can be the new Power coupled as long as it's not where the wood goes [Laughter] because you don't want the wrath of Jerry no yeah which I sort of think the deleted tweet by Simon about that was really fascinating did you read that hi Rocky I was gonna go into it later on but since you brought it since you brought it up no go ahead to talk about yeah interesting just that thing with where Jerry was going off on Simon about the wood because apparently the where you sleep in the sh in the shelter determines the hierarchy and Simon said that Jerry was always in the Middle with the blanket and then Simon just continuing his Charlie Brown Arc and narrative here he's always on the outside of the shelter and sometimes not even under the top until Sean left it was only once Sean left that he actually got to go a little bit closer to the middle and have coverage and he said that it's a good sign of how of the pecking order how far down you are in the tribe if you're sleeping on the outside and

26:48 It shows even worse for him because it was also the firewood dumping area that he would have to move anytime he wanted to sleep and then Jerry goes off at him full movie for Simon so you just can't win and I've got to say I saw that and I thought to myself like that's just that seems nasty right like you're out there okay cool the game's the game play the game vote people out I understand there's going to be a certain element of isolation that's gonna happen when you're not in with the numbers but be Humane at least and let the person sleep undercover because apparently in Samoa one of the things we've not seen this season Mucky is that it was consistently raining out there even though we don't see it apparently it didn't stop raining so you know these people are out there and they're miserable and it reminds me of like a season that Russell played in Samoa where people were you know out in the rain suffering the whole time and he's out in the cold struggling there what is this Lord of the Flies or as Outlast you know the amazing new shows better now as been a common Trend throughout Survivor you know putting on the bottom you know might call away Ben Greenberg you know Jacques Berger and Simon you know the one person on the bottom everyone just likes to isolate them because there's a whole mentality of US versus them right you know you've got this like us group we're the bigger group so we're going to treat

28:08 Ourselves but we're going to treat you know the trader the dirty person like because it makes him feel you know more power you know it's been a common thing throughout society as well you know I'm not really one to you know bring real life issues into this but yeah often there is quite like a you know I guess like a majority group of people and stuff and whenever there's one sort of more on the outside I guess like a person or a group is very much like let's just push them out you know and yeah I don't know it's quite tough especially when it comes to like a gap I didn't mean to hit my like my laptop but you know it comes down to like you know it's a game but it's also like a one where you really battle like the elements and stuff especially some others meant to be like the toughest elements apart from the Australian Outback so you don't have people like that it's quite cruel yeah 100 I do want to read a couple of the comments that are coming in here's a couple of good comments Brendan's saying podcasters and meme creators yes meme creators are welcome I love the Australian Survivor memes that's always really fun to watch after an episode Gabe's saying Mucky going to apply oh Lord help us for Survivor I'm on your boat like I think Mucky may make Simon's plan of not having a plan look like a genius if he was out there none of us will know what Mucky get up to when he's out there and Ellen's

29:28 Saying hello to everyone sorry I've been missing in action from the lives these past few weeks choir always Clash but I'm here tonight I hope George wins as he deserves it because let's be honest he's running the season 100 agree with you welcome back we're always happy to have you in the live and then odid has the most concerning comment of the life so far one that makes me very worried because surprise I like I've got nothing against Natalie white as a person but I'm not the biggest fan of Natalie White's win and I know that's one that has the fandom very split there's a lot of Natalie white stands out there and that's fine you know we all have our own preferences of winners I think Kahuna this is the thing that makes me the most fearful you know that Liz or Nina becomes like a Natalie white well I guess Nino wouldn't be Nina would be more like Cassandra she just hung in there and then gets the win at the end but if Liz was to somehow win this game right now you'd have to say it's on the back of George's strategic mind and her being a part of that Alliance the whole season I haven't seen much of what she's done individually on her own I guess she had two troubles in another Camp one where she could actually have gone home but she had an immunity and then one that wasn't actually it was a non-vote so far in the game so I don't know if she actually did enough for me on her own to be like a really great winner yeah we will promise that Revenge Arc which I was really hoping for once Shawnee went out I was like oh

30:48 This is this is when Liz like we've seen her be emotional we know that she's passionate and she can you know maybe she was gonna she's got a fighting Spirit yeah well we didn't see it like straight after Shawnee went out like she again I think I hate like I'm just glazing out so much but I do think it's a testament to how good George is building these relationships that he literally not literally I said that last week but he backstabs Shawnee in the back or he stabs Johnny in the back stab Liz in the back and within a few days he's got her straight back into the fold and not going anywhere like this these were the times when she could have actually made that move over to Naina and Sean and stuff and she's staying put she's staying loyal so yeah you're right she could very well win and I don't I hope I don't know but maybe her strategy is I'm pretty sure I can beat George in the final immunity and then I just don't pick him but that's such a risky gamble that you think that you know you're pretty much guaranteed especially when you still have a Simon and a man around right so I don't know if that's the strategy but geez like they're not taking shots when they need to and she needed to because she had that narrative being built about the revenge on Shawnee revenge of Shawnee and all that so I was looking forward to Kill Bill Liz but didn't

32:09 Happen yeah I think Gabe has got a good comment here saying you know winning would actually be like Danny and Guatemala or Kristen Vanuatu being the last person from her Alliance that is still left and I agree with that I do want to come back to because you said a lot there but Liz not making a move immediately after Sean he was voted out I think came down to the fact that she knew Matt and Jerry are tied to George than with her George knew that he did it very on purpose which gave her limited options in the game and numbers that she can work with we know she despises Simon for some other reason she really does not get along with him she doesn't want to talk strategy with her and I think she kind of feels at the stage like she had doesn't have that option and she's strategically gonna have to move with Simon sorry with George in the game until she can take that hurt but an even bigger thing happened this week with Liz because Mucky she helps out Matt in this first immunity challenge to try and beat Simon so she can vote Simon out obviously she wants Simon out of the game because that's a better shot for her to win immunity so I get that but where do you sit in regards to individual immunity keyword being individual when we do these individual immunities not being followed and gelpy saying well it's not against the rules we can it's now team immunity where does that leave Survivor in the future and do we get teams ganging up on other players now in future Survivor and should teams gang up on a person who's on the outside

33:29 Do you think it will make for entertaining TV yes and I think it's because you know well it is an individual challenge we're at an individual game right you know and I think there have been times in the past an American Survivor who people have tried to help each other out in terms of like saying like what the puzzle is you know or there's that famous scene and South Pacific where Sophie was shouting at Albert to just drop his puzzle and help her out you know but yeah I think I think it's fine if I'm being honest it's great TV and I'm watching Survivor to be entertained I'm not like a rules kind of person I don't have my fold of Survivor rules I'm like oh I'm not about that but I think I think it's fine you know I think if it's going to make great TV and I mean there's definitely a great moment when this has dropped everything and just started helping Matt to add more drama and I think it made Simon's one even more greater because it's such more greater odds to overcome so I personally think that's fine yeah so you know it's interesting because I listened to Jeff probst's podcast you know it's one of the few podcasts I'm actually listening to and it's really entertaining to listen to and it gives me a different view on how Jeff probst's mind works and how he's changed the show over the years some of it we agree with some of it we disagree with and one of the big things Kahuna that he said was that you know if we never brought Idols

34:49 Into the game the majority Alliance would always win the game it would become Mandan and boring where you could just see a pagonging happening every season with the minority Alliance being voted out how is this different Guna to those old school Seasons where you just see an alliance run an individual out of the game and the underdog has no chance now in the game how is that gonna be entertaining over the coming years if we allow for this to continue on in the game I'm not standing here on my higher horse I'm really looking at it I know Mucky finds that entertaining I don't find it entertaining when an alliance gang up on an individual and an underdog in the game I think it shouldn't be in the game yeah pagongings are horrible for TV and that's the reason why they invent twists and all these sort of things to kind of bring parody to it and give the opportunity and the individual immunity is the last chance and what makes them so great is that there is an opportunity for them to kind of get that immunity to Mike Holloway to the end and as much as you don't necessarily expect it from the strategy point of view the game has so many facets and it does allow for that which makes the T the show more Dynamic and unpredictable and have all these different outcomes but at the same time I'm like I don't know if you should like rule against it because you can't do it without repercussions as well like it's a very public Declaration of where you

36:09 Stand and putting yourself out there you're not only sort of saying to the entire tribe look this is clearly the alliance in what we're trying to do here and making it clear but you're also taking your shot out of the game as well you have no chance at elimination as well so I don't know I don't know if you should necessarily regulate it they it's been in the rules since the get-go and we don't see it abused that much so it's not necessarily that op or the risk to reward ratio isn't there I think in that one maybe it was maybe it was worth for Liz again we talked about how she might take things a little bit personally she doesn't like Simon so she went for it would she have done that against another person that was on the outside of the alliance I don't know maybe it was just Simon that gets that out of her that really wanted to get him out but look I can see both sides of it absolutely I can it feels funny in my gut to see someone just totally gang up on people because then it's Simon versus everybody why not just have the entire five of them going at it you know what I mean if there's no rule but at the same time like I said it has its downfalls and you've got to be smart whether you're playing it or not sorry just noticeable mood that's my point right so Brendan I just wanted to say right my issue is with the not

37:29 The players my issues with production what it means for the show moving forward in future Seasons yes it was entertaining and I was fist pumping in the air when Simon won this individual immunity Against All Odds I'm just worried for how this is going to Cascade into future Seasons with like because if I was to play the game now and I'm in the majority Alliance I would just say to everyone listen we don't want this person to win let all of us work together give the immunity to someone and let's get them out of the game and it becomes very easy to gang up on people in the game now for me personally I'm not angry at Liz for doing it I'm not angry at math for doing it they're simply playing within the rules of the game and if jlp is saying it's good jalpy is the Survivor God out there right he can say whatever and that is Gospel you've got to follow that I just think that they need to rethink it for future season so I'm a little bit concerned I don't know that has always been the rule when you say that it has always been the rule I don't think that in Survivor us that's been the rule I think they take the individual part more literal and not just figuratively out there so it'll be interesting to see what they do in the future I'd be interested to know what the chat is saying about this as well and if anybody cares about it as much as I do but you know yeah pink dolphins saying otherwise there's sitting ducks and that's my point you know I want to see a Mike Holloway I want to see someone be able to go from the outside and win their way to the end because I know some people don't like individual immunities and they don't like immunity ones

38:49 They actually Mark winners down because they want immunities today and a lot of people Mark all the way down and my mind Mark Holloway is one of the best to ever do it like he's one of my favorite winners I actually put a lot of emphasis on challenges and people winning a challenge and I say that's part of the game to get to the end and to be a buzzer beater to be someone that can clutch it out at the end that's a skill set that not everybody has in the game monkey yeah exactly you know I think Mike Holloway's Underdog Victory is one of the greatest wins of all time because I think it was from the final eight or something onwards he was all alone you know and in five wins and a successful Auto player and it just dominated away to the end and that's remarkable to watch yeah no I definitely agree with that yeah well obviously in this spot Simon wins which means they can't vote for him they do have the Haley plan on but George makes sure to keep Hayley very comfortable he says they're going to split the vote because Hayley loves splitting the vote and Haley thinks that there is an opportunity for her to work in the spot with the likes of Nina and Simon to come up with a counter plan but when they get to Tribal Council it all sort of goes south from that point onwards with Haley being outside of the numbers you get George Jerry Liz and Nina voting for Haley it's a four votes and then Matt votes

40:10 For Liz and he's left on the outside of this vote because George didn't fully trust them Simon votes for George must be a record amount of times that he's voted for the same person this season and Haley votes for Nina picking that Nina is the plan but ultimately Haley does get the throne in this point and George for the second time in a row orchestrated Haley Blindside here Mucky when it comes to head to head here I believe it's two to one now but Haley has got that one win under the belt so do you think we see a third time between them do we get Haley versus George season sometime in the future oh absolutely yeah I think right now they are like the faces of the franchise at the moment you know like literally the poster for the season was George and Hayley no one else was on the poster for the season you know in the opening trailer like the first promo for the season it was Hayley first then George right so I definitely think we will see both of them come back again and we'll be hyped up as Haley versus George it might be for like you know Legends or like an international season perhaps but yeah I definitely think we see both of them come back on the same season again hurricane loyal here is asking if George is going to win and Simon comes and interferes can that be accepted or not no not just because it's our favorite doesn't matter I know people get

41:30 Behind like I'm team George or I'm team this and that's big cloud of your judgment you should be a fan of Survivor first the concept and how the show operates and then the players are second to that right like we love the players but it's a brilliant concept I mean that's why people like myself and Mucky want to play the show one day because we love Survivor more than any individual that plays it right monkey yeah absolutely yeah now as soon as Survivor as I've already said it is my favorite franchise of you know the main three and I think it is because of the production you know how they hype up the blind size like the shiny Blind Side is an all-time great you know where it just slowly builds up and up and up and up you know and where we see Haley's downfall we see everything that goes wrong from her from start to finish and watch it gets taken up you know whereas you know I don't want to bash out the franchises but American survivors sometimes people can vote it out and we have no idea why they got voted about it's like oh everything has been a big blind side but we actually you know see everything that goes wrong for the player what you think is right for the players so yeah that's why love is trying to Survivor yeah Gabe you're saying Australian Survivor loves the versus themes that's staying for a while I agree and also Gabe's saying George helped way and Odette is confirming

42:50 Yes that was in brain Services Brawn that is right I remember that as well but they were that far behind where it didn't actually have I think a big consequence to anybody that was in the front of that immunity from memory Chad who just asking Chris do you think you'll ever play I hope so Char dude I hope I get an opportunity one day to play Jack Tiff saying Shawnee deserved better yeah now I get a jack 100 I think you know Mucky isn't fully over Stevie being voted out and he believes Stevie deserves better but Shawnee we can answer that list that's right no the Fury tiger wolf I haven't seen you in alive for quite a while so hey everyone awesome coverage of the Season really appreciate it tough to call which recent season was bet out of Survivor Au and Survivor essay listen I'm the biggest Survivor essay fan obviously I have the cap on for Return of the outcast but I think this one has been more for spectacle and George being a larger than life character has probably made this one more entertaining as a whole but I do think I still like the Survivor sa franchise as a whole better because of the fact that there's non-eliminations twists don't seem to be so overpowering they give everybody confessionals who actually understand what people are thinking in the game where in this season once again if you are not

44:10 George if you're not Simon and now maybe Nina maybe Liz like I mean we had Matt come out and talk this episode and it was the first time that Matt has spoken to the camera in such a long time Kahuna and it was after he was told he was a pawn in the game and he started crying about the fact that he was and I mean listen I know it sounds very insensitive for me to say this but I was looking at that and I was like you're still in the game you can still change this narrative Kona I mean to get so few confessions and the ones that you do get you're crying about being called the porn while literally being a pawn and then the very next scene in the edit George Goes Matt is my sport is so brilliant and I do feel bad for Matt because that would eat at me too like if you're out there and Matt is the fan and you actually get the call up and you get out there and you get this far in the game and someone goes you're not doing anything and he's probably thought about doing stuff on Survivor for years and then he gets there and has that realization and he's got the added pressure of like I don't necessarily think I should play into any decision a final tribal and all that sort of thing but he's got the added pressure of being away from a pregnant wife for the first time like you know those sort of things and he said what I'm sacrificing to be there I mean it's his choice not necessarily sacrifice it's a chance

45:30 At 500 000 but if you're gonna get that chance take the chance man like don't let Simon say you're not doing anything then cry about it wipe the tears away and then go vote George out you know like do something listen I do I do understand like you're out there you're playing this game it's like 40 something days into it you're coming to the realization that you haven't made a big move in the game that is your own yet and you feel like you have let people down back home you've been isolated you know the suffering of playing this game the mental toll that it takes on you none of us understand that and that in itself can make you break down and obviously you had a weak moment there we or no weak is the wrong word he had a vulnerable moment there you know where he felt vulnerable and I do like Matt I think it's the top bloke but jeez man like I would personally also feel very down Mucky if I was to play the game and I know there's no chance like I mean there's no chance you would make it today 41 because you'd be up before the merge but imagine you do get today 41 Mucky exactly that's America yeah now I mean you know this is you know something we've talked about a lot and I was like I'd rather flame out and be the first boot to make it to the final six like Matt and not have made a single thing because I'd be disappointed you had to choose question for you if you had to choose between Michael this season and Matt for a returning

46:51 Season who do you choose your own producer me I would choose Michael I would choose Michael because Michael gave me entertainment for the two episodes that he was there he tried to go oh he thought about that Michael not Bucky Michael who played this season if you had to choose between Michael or Matt this season and Michael was the what third person voted out of this season but he had more of an impact on the show than what you know Matt has had so far yeah absolutely that sounds brutal good am I being too tough tonight I don't know yeah I mean I think there's something like I'm a firm believer right that familiarity the saying is familiarity breeds content but a familiarity reads love as well and I think if you can stay on the TV long enough and not do bad things like you've got a bit of Runway there that you can turn pretty quickly and get momentum so I'd rather be in the game and at least give yourself that shot but I don't know if he's going to like the edit he sees when you know they or that he's been watching all season like it would be hard to say that on screen I think and listen if Matt hears this and he's like you know these guys have been saying you've been doing nothing we don't know we're not out there we're not playing the game we love to talk to them after the season we'd love to hear all the stuff that he did we know there's a lot of things that we

48:11 Don't see but the show has clearly edited and again that's why I say Survivor South Africa shows you everybody's perspective through the game even if they're considering going against somebody you know that Matt is a player in the season because it shows that as it happens and like Brendan says here survivors of Africa is much more catered to the super fans in his opinion whereas Survivor Au is sometimes more like mathsi it's great shock and drama to keep people watching the show it's all smoking smoker mirrors like Stevie likes it chadu thank you so much for that donation of One AU dollar we really appreciate that will go straight to the channel and helping this grow so we can continue to improve what we're doing on the show what else happened here early on in this episode we had Simon try his best to get in front of Matt and Jerry try and turn them around Matt and Jerry are locked in at this stage without any opportunity for them to move in any way the immunity challenge ended up being an endurance challenge where they had to stand on pedestals and they had to hold on to an idol on the immunity challenge Kahuna this is pretty much my worst nightmare if I was to go out there and do an immunity Challenge and you know Australian Survivor loves doing these physical endurance types of challenges are you feeling like we should maybe throw a puzzle or two in there it's getting pretty late in the game we haven't seen a puzzle individual immunity yet yeah we gotta

49:31 It's gonna be a little bit more Dynamic the endurance puzzles are obviously torturous and brutal to watch but at this at the end of the day all it is people standing still for a really long period of time and it can be really great like when we saw like the final one for season one where it's got the rocks and the waves and it can look epic but at the same at the same time it's just people standing still for a long period of time and if you have it in back to back to back then you just have multiple episodes of people standing still so I don't know if that's a good idea for a TV show but we obviously know how difficult it is and what they're going through so it's a good challenge as far as testing them and pushing them but I would like to see some like changes some dynamicism at least in what they're presenting from a TV perspective yeah it would have been super painful it would be one of those challenges out there as well to do this one I think I would struggle out there Mucky being on those little pedestals and it seems like a challenge that should favor maybe even the woman and the tribe more so than the men because the heavier you are you know those small pedestals the more weight you're putting on it with your feet and you've got bigger feet so were you surprised to see that the men endured longer than Liz and Nina in the spot obviously Nina someone that cramped up and I feel like this season there's been a few times when Nina's been kind of afraid of injuring herself as well

50:51 After the previous season and maybe there's like a little bit of PTSD there as well where when she started cramping up she was fearful of falling and you know hurting herself yeah absolutely I think you know I've been Miracle evacuators like the worst thing to ever happen to you on Survivor I think it would all rather be the first one voted out evacuated because there's so many what-ifs you know and so yeah I definitely think this one with Nina I think she's like you know I want to make sure that I take every chance not to hurt myself so even though she didn't drop something yeah she'll drop out but I think it's also how tall you are because there's something that we don't see on survive very often is how tall are actually some of the contestants like it's me I'm six foot four and my shoe size is size 15 us like my feet are ginormous you know if I was on those pigs I'd like to fall off in five seconds because my feet would be too big too just stand on the pedal so yeah I actually wonder is Matt you should be called Bigfoot I'm Bigfoot baby I'm Bigfoot as you can probably see I've got a I've got a poster right with my finger there you go post it right there's a Sasquatch poster but yeah no but yeah I think I actually wonder is Matt quite a short person in general because it doesn't look that much taller than Jerry so maybe his height you and it makes the speed a bit smaller which helps them yeah we've got the boss and

52:11 The twitch live stream saying I'm streaming this is that okay with you yeah 100 if your rating will welcome that thank you so much yeah so I mean obviously ultimately here it goes between the three guys Simon came into this and he kind of had that defeatist attitude even coming into it where he thought there's just no way that he's going to be able to Outlast the rest of the team there because of the fact that he's not good at endurance but he does go pretty deep it ends up going between Jerry and Matt and Jerry for an all-timer kuna they just built them differently back in the day because he hangs in there with the young buck and I think he could have probably even gone longer if they didn't up the ante and made the challenge a little bit difficult more difficult on themselves yeah Jerry pulled out the old one foot he was like you want to go let's do it let's go hard and yeah I respect you like I don't think Jerry's playing the best game but that was impressive and maybe it's just like you know 63 years of callus built up in his feet or something where he doesn't even feel it anymore or something I'm not sure because like I wouldn't even be able to stand on normal ground for as long as they did on some of these challenges to be honest with you so for Jerry hanging there that long it was very impressive I was like go Jerry and Matt was probably thinking that oh no I could be into something here I think like so you know he wanted to take it out quick because I think he sees

53:32 How Jerry was a just one of those old types that just won't let go and just he'll put through he'll put up with pain because you know he's had a hard life and it's been a long time and this is nothing compared to what I've seen young whippersnapper that sort of thing I think yeah you know my personal opinion is that it was very strategic affirm because he wants to fight Simon out straight away so the earlier they get to Triangle the better you know so if he makes the unit one foot challenge earlier they can vote out Simon it's key strategic gameplay I'm sorry dude and both Cade we will answer that question in a little bit because we're going to talk about that when the twist comes into play because obviously the twist is when the whole plan for Nina to vote for Jerry comes you know undone a little bit for Georgia in the game but Gabe here in the live says I enjoy Australian Survivor endurance challenges they are most mostly gone in the use of obstacle courses I'm a big fan of it as well all I'm saying is don't take it away I think that Australian Survivor we've given to the Australian Survivor Credit in my opinion for a very long time that it has the best challenges out of the three franchises I think that's undisputable and I do think you know maybe with a little bit of safety regulation here and there so we don't get people breaking their neck you know breaking Limbs and things like that and on the show that would be really good but outside of that I'm really enjoying it just throw a puzzle in there every

54:52 Now and again just to make it a little bit more I think competitive and then Kate says I've been saying since the first episode Simon is winning the fact that the jury is rooting for him is crazy if he makes it to the final two against Matt Jerry or Nina he's got a great Underdog Story and that kind of Segways really nicely into what the boss is asking he's saying who is the underdog and I think Simon is still the biggest Underdog in the game right now for him to win this he needs to win outright until the end but Kahuna I feel like outside of George winning the show the most satisfying win would be a Simon win for me personally and it's crazy because he hasn't strategically Run the game yeah I mean it is weird to think because I've been saying for the longest time that Simon has zero chance but the longer he goes on that chance keeps getting higher and higher and once I said once as if it's a guaranteed thing because it has to be but once George Goes Simon has to be sitting at the top for me I think unless the move to take out George is a huge one from someone and you know changes the game completely whatever the case may be but right now it is the George and Simon show George dominating strategically and Simon dominating physically which is a it was interesting to see so it's a it's a really good narrative to have these two clashing season long and also now coming towards the end and

56:12 Apparently edit wise both peaking as well with everyone else kind of playing a part in the in their show yeah it's very interesting I mean the storytelling has been pretty epic you know even though they're not focusing on every single individual in this season and they're telling their story the storytelling and how they're putting it all together for this final conclusion I feel like we all know it's not everybody can make it to the end George has been playing a high stakes game can he get away with it the twist that happens is definitely thrown things off a little bit as well Kate is saying awesome thank you I will hold you to it I will bring it up Kate and I appreciate you staying up until 6 30 all the way from Rhode Island to watch this that's so awesome we appreciate the love and support I did say English is in a very problematic position I think unlike what the viewers think the players look at Liz as a tag along the same as Jerry and Matt I agree with that and we sort of spoke about that earlier in the life that I feel like there isn't any move that she can currently say that's my move and I'm sort of running it I guess the flick move she could but I don't think she wants to remind them that she had the wrong read on flick so that wouldn't be a great way to win the game if she was thinking and mucky's mind that would be tell us why that would be a good move Mucky because it looked like you were gonna say it was a good move I was actually agreeing with you but yeah I can yeah I think though for

57:32 Liz if it comes to like what strategic moves did you make in that game which you can be like yeah you know I stuffed up my read on flick however I got back on track because we did have the numbers and I made sure that it was my wrong read and like portraying me flick was the needs to go I think she could never try sell it like that but I do agree that like yeah she might be reminded the jury of she had a bad read on Floyd I don't know I feel like she could still maybe use that as a strategic move because maybe something Liz due or Matt could push to the Jews that you know we're not returning players we're new pilots are experiencing this for the first time so of course we're going to make mistakes of course Liz is going to have a bad word don't look because flickers so likable like yes you know Matt mine may not have made a big move yet maybe he's not realized he hasn't made that many big moves but that first time players they don't really know how this game goes yeah they're going to make mistakes but then is are they going to learn from their mistake that's the biggest thing which I think Liz did you trust and fluke she got betrayed by flick and she made sure that very next tribal flick was gone so yeah I think Liz can give it to the jury so yeah just want to read here in the chat Andrea Lee saying turkey Survivor challenges are awesome also they're devote a whole episode to it and I know that Kahuna will know who the madman turbo

58:52 Is maybe Mucky one no but 2K Survivor has also got a two-time Survivor winner turbo who's done the challenge before and he is an absolute beast at the challenge maybe didn't do so well in the last season because he got ganged up on it's another pet peeve I have similar to the whole individual immunity challenge where people can sort of influence eliminations in the challenge but yeah it seems like a great show I just wish I could understand Turkish that would have been good to be able to watch a Turkish Survivor challenges are awesome also devoted a whole episode and Survivor Greece the public has a say in the vote I don't like that I know Russell Hans wanted the public to have a say in the vote so that he could win because he was the fan favorite twice people like to forget that he was the fan favorite twice and they all say that he was in a very likable guy and maybe afterwards he's done some questionable things but you know if we as the public had a chance to vote Russell Hans could have very well been a winner of Survivor Samoa Kahuna I thought he should have I was definitely on that train at the time what when I was watching I remember thinking what he was doing to me felt so new and so different that someone would just go out there so brazenly be an absolute villain and burn socks and you know it's just run the game like with an Iron Fist and we know now that there's more to the game than that

1:00:12 Than that but at the time I remember watching it going I love this guy I haven't seen him yeah so far on Survivor and it's freaking great and but it can back I don't know how that would play in Australia though like we have had devoted thing like Australian Idol and big brother for the longest time we're all voted by the public and there was a chance to get extra money because you have to dial the 1 900 number and it costs like five dollars to vote or something like that so Australian reality shows would be happy to try to throw that out but I think it would definitely ruin the Integrity of the game as well and you and you're playing live you've got to do a whole bunch of stuff to it which could make it like then you've got players maybe like George would dominate in a field like that because then he's playing to the audience and not necessarily the game in front of him and you might have people that are more performative for the camera and really letting the play go by the way so or bringing the level of gameplay down because they're more worried about making that spectacle than making the play if you will yeah very interesting Andrew Lee is saying Indian Survivor was like big brother three the jury decided after all the contestants watched the show so the actual winner did not win which is interesting so yeah obviously a lot of different formats today I personally like when the jury decides like again I'm a salty

1:01:33 Old school fan when it comes to Survivor whenever you bring something in that breaks the game that I love I'm not a big fan of it immediately I don't just jump on board with that so getting people to vote who weren't there who watched an edited TV show that couldn't understand and appreciate the nuances of what it takes to play this game 24 hours a day for 50 days 47 days 26 days whatever the format of the show is I think that would result in production being able to manipulate the feelings that people have towards these contestants and you're going to vote for the person Productions one two to win they can manipulate your feelings just by even the way that they have Shawnee with her theme song and you're like oh awesome that's shawnee's theme song or Sean her own theme song in the game you know and then suddenly you feel this connection with somebody that necessarily isn't maybe the best player and you're voting for them to win the game monkey yeah absolutely you know I know that we were talking about this earlier Chris in terms of you know it's certain survive editing they love having these you know massive things and stuff like that not just themed Seasons but also themes for players like you know they're really hype up like Luke he's the people's Champion he's the king of the jungle King George Queen Hayley the God and God David you know like the smiling assassin they really like to make a theme for players and just really hype it up and I think that's what makes us Australian Survivor so interesting to watch is that we do have

1:02:53 You know these teams and it makes everything they do much would call them much more badass you know and yeah when a blind side happens it just feels more Epic and it's like it's like it's great to see their downfall it's great to see the underdog rise up you know like we really feel that whereas sometimes for American Survivor takes very specific Seasons to make us feel that by constraints Survivor every time you do have that Underdog and top dog and they really make you feel those characters yeah I think Survivor us now that we're doing a comparison and I want to go down this rabbit hole because we'll talk about stuff that's not related to the episode for a very long time myself and Bucky have had some two hour three hour conversations about stuff in Survivor and it can go on but you know Survivor users trying to improve that like Cody and Jesse last season with the big thing between them that I can't say because couldn't have watched it yet you know I think that we really understood both of those players and their motivations going into that specific spot in the game that made for compelling television and you felt something when it played out in front of us so I think they're very aware of that so they're trying to improve that but I see a few people saying they want us to talk about the vote at the end and where things are going to go so I do want to get into that it was an interesting setup because you know after this immunity challenge George gets them to split

1:04:13 The vote two and two which leaves an opportunity here for Matt if he wanted to take control of the game to work with both Nina and Simon Nina just doesn't want to work with Simon in the game but they could have had three votes in that spot but George does have a contingency plan and a very impressive and interesting thing happens here at Tribal Council you know Simon and Nina has the handshake which puts George at alert and he continues to talk to Matt so George turns to Liz In This Moment Kahuna and he makes an executive call to change the vote and he speaks to her in Russian were you aware that George could speak Russian no but it's so cool I mean I think anytime you've got something that you can pull it like I don't know if you like speaking Pig Latin or we're gonna see it we've seen sign language and stuff be played out in challenges imagine if you start seeing it thrown at tribal at a travel Council where people can just start communicating without The Whispers speaking in Russian and speaking in other languages could be a very smart strategy to just develop your own language out there and have something that you can communicate to someone else without it being picked up on it all which is so can I can I add a little bit of a tip with this obviously being someone on this that can speak three languages South Africa's got 12 official languages survivors of Africa has a logistical nightmare every time they film because people

1:05:33 Can speak in Afrikaans they can speak and cause our Zulu Swan air so many different languages while they're out there they're actually prohibit players in certain scenarios from speaking a different language to make it fair because if you've got the Afrikaans people all going together having a conversation while the cause of the Zulu people are saying something different you know it can create an unfair advantage in the game so you do still see it very rarely when two people with the same language do speak to each other and they'll have subtitles on there but I believe there is a rule that if there's other people in the vicinity they're not allowed to do it so it was interesting obviously Australian survivors are a little bit more free with that they don't have as many languages official languages in Australia so it's probably something that they didn't think of having a contingency plan in place going into this Tribal Council but I was extremely impressed Mucky because I felt like George like suddenly kind of pulled at Liz's heartstrings because she's got this Russian background and if you're like really wanting to pull it in we've got this connection Liz remember that's what you'll do you'll talk to her in Russian or you'll bring up something that's dear to her heart so I felt like it was subtle manipulation that he was using in that spot very effectively yeah I mean survivor's always been a social game you know like yes you know you can have Master strategy just like George she's still gonna have great challenge beasts you know like Mike Holloway but the end of the day it comes down to your

1:06:54 Social connections that's why Russell has in one year you know it's great strategically but he was a nasty everyone yeah no that's why he's never won and so I think in that moment you know George from this they've got a connection he can speak Russian shoes Russian so you've got to utilize every opportunity you can to bond with someone I know that chapies is above South Africa he's had other world connections with like Steffi and suntoni and that's been able to yeah to build such a close friendship with them right off the gate just because of something that's similar that's happened in their lives and so yeah I think you know I was laughing because I was laughing because I was thinking about the dream that Chappy's had that Ernesto also had prior to playing the game and they connected based on a dream that ahead beforehand it's the strangest things that sometimes can pull somebody together and make them work together in the game and that you hold on to that become a key clutch thing for you in the game that is a part of your Reliance But ultimately they do turn the five votes on Nina in the spot Simon was also aware to vote for Nina so I feel like Matt probably let him in at the end but that was never fully explained to us the audience and we find out that after the vote it's going to be a little bit different Kahuna we knew that there was a non-elimination Twist that was going to come into the game how did you feel about Survivor isolation do you think that they got this idea

1:08:14 While we were in covert isolation yeah we've certainly had a lot of experience with it here in Australia so that maybe the producers or something I don't know got the idea from being in lockdown in Melbourne or something for so many years but yeah like we knew it and 911 was going to happen I don't know if I appreciate the timing of it so late in the game especially when they've just had such a really good momentum building I feel like it kind of brought it down a little bit I know that we've said it a million times they can't predict and they don't rig and they don't pick when it's you know they it's already pre-planned but having it come after the Haley and George Showdown felt like really kind of you know a bit of a bring down come down after such a massive event and then a massive couple of weeks as well it was definitely a slower week because of it but I think we know it's part of the game we know it's going to be in there and I don't mind the isolation thing it does it could be George's undoing so people that say these sort of things save George it looks like it might actually go against him here so oh well I think Shannon had a had a tweet that she brought up this week that had like a full breakdown of George's game and how many times he's been screwed by the game and it was a lot it's like you know this is what he's done in the game and she was pretty much off the opinion that there's never

1:09:34 Been a Twist that's fully been in his favor I do think that you know some people will pull out the Kara move and her playing the idol but that was due to his social game you have to give even credit for the fact that she was willing to play an idol for him and some people didn't like the op Advantage ahead of sending half of the people back to camp but again that's not production I don't think production plants Idols or advantages for one player to find it's just the player who looks the most that's the one that finds it and an example of that is that George has only found one Idol this whole season if they really wanted him to win why hasn't he found all of the idols why hasn't he been the person that's had everything go his way the whole time in the in the season Mucky exactly and the proof that the show isn't rigged they could have very easily saved Haley and really drawn out this George of his highly Dynamic but if they didn't you know and it was funny because I saw there was a lot of comments about how this Twisters rigged for George because he knew he was going to get voted out he didn't receive one I think it was the minority yeah it's a very vocal minority yeah but it's like you know like Tom tinken you know throughout our podcast we said that you know survivors and rigged is also pre-planned and I think one skin you know this clearly the shows because I do think this twist could be George's undoing here and that's what everybody that's what everybody in the Life wants to know everybody alive is saying you know and

1:10:54 Kate this is for you and whoever else asked earlier who do we think is going to go home next what's going to happen here let's get into it Kahuna we've now got Nina and Jerry and isolation we know that Jerry knows Nina voted for her they're gonna have a conversation George is going to get dobbed out as the person who went against Jerry here was it a smart move by George to do that because Jerry is a man of Honor he's loyal to the soil he comes from a different generation for him this is not a game this is a way of life out there do you think the Jerry can find it in his heart to forgive George in this spot and what do you think is going to happen moving forward here do you think George can continue to pull a rabbit out of the hat like he's been doing the whole season I've learned very no quickly but had it reinforced many times to not doubt George to me like I look at it I go he can't get out of this like Nina and Jerry are going to be talking we know Matt's already been crying about whether he's made a move or not we know Simon's going to be against George any opportunity he takes wrong or right he'll do it no matter what it just can I vote George now can I now is now a good time because I want to do it every single possible time so I don't know like it seems like it has to be the downfall of the King right now the king will fall but I've just learned so many times that

1:12:14 We're not seeing how deep he's got he's walks into these people and it has to be if they haven't done it yet I don't I don't know like I'm completely stunned because all logic tells me get rid of him but then I keep seeing over and over again they just can't pull the trigger on it I don't know why yeah I mean Jerry and Matt are so close in the game and we've seen them have that conversation earlier in the season and always like I mean we've seen very little jury and Matt content on the show so whenever you see it stands out and one of those scenes where they spoke about cutting George loose closer to the end that still rings in my head and I know that's something that's going to come back up again Matt was well Matt was not happy when Nina that slip that she was going to vote for Jerry in this episode as well and that happened in front of him so he had a inkling that it might happen so I don't know how he feels if he Felts feels like he's betrayed as well but I know that him and Jerry are going to move together in the game maybe jury and Nina bonds out there and they could you know bring her into a three-person thing and then Simon is that loose change that they've got in the alliance that they can sort of dispose off later on the one thing I think that is still in George's favor is that Simon Mucky is still the biggest threat out there to win immunities so will people say yes we don't trust George we're not going to let George win this game and we're going to cut him but we need to get rid of objective a and that's the person who's actually going to go out there

1:13:34 And potentially win some of these immunities going into the in-game yeah absolutely I think that's Georgia's best chance of surviving to an expo because I think you know Jerry we've seen what happens to be right down to his name you know he you know he jumps sure straight away you know like he literally came back to the heroes and said I'm not going to work with any of you anymore you know and I think he's probably going to do something with George but I think if Simon doesn't want immunity that's George's best chance of making it through but I think if Simon does win immunity then Georgia said like a lot of trouble be it just as Kahuna said you know like there have been plenty of times but we have Delta George you know there have been times where he's been in such a deep hole where there was no way of coming out that he finds a way out so yeah it's really 50. yeah so Gabe here kind of sees it similar to how I still think Simon is the biggest threat that they need to get like I mean it saddens me but it's just like the cats had eight lives in the game you know does he have that ninth life taken away from him going into this next round and I feel like it's Simon's time I feel like it has been Simon for a long time in this game and the only reason he's still there is because he's gone on this impressive immunity run and he says Simon I imagine if he doesn't want immunity or Nina if he does I'd love Jerry to flip

1:14:55 Flip but dreams really come true I actually reckon that if Matt and Jerry want to go to the end if Simon wins immunity who's the second most likely person to win an immunity and take that opportunity away from Matt I think it's Liz she's an Olympic Athlete for goodness sake why are they voting for Nina I reckon they bring Nina in they target Liz or Simon in the spot as the two biggest potential threats to Matt winning an immunity because I think Matt also has a chance he's also one too but he still has to go through both of those Odette has got a question is will Jerry believe Nina because he can quickly turn into he said she said I think Odette he will because Matt can verify it because he was at the conversation that happened between Nina and George so he saw the conversation happen in real time and Matt is loyal to Jerry so I think that could happen ball saying Liz George or Nina go but it's a I don't think Simon can be a shield for George anymore even if the jury loves Simon the players in the game all think Simon is a goat and that would be the funniest thing that's what that's something that gave me immense pleasure last season and seeing gabler go all the way because people underestimate a gambler and they thought gabler was going to go to the end he didn't have a game and then they misread the jury and that was such a fun ending to that season say the fingers anytime it looks like George is going home on the next on Survivor he won't go home that's true that's

1:16:15 A very true point and I mean it's looking like you might go home on this next on Survivor and you know so far they've not gone down that road and actually followed through Kate's saying I feel Jerry will flip I think Jerry could flip but like again like I said the key thing is who do they need to take out from an individual immunity standpoint I think Jerry and Matt their plan is not being articulated to us for some other reason I wish it was but I feel like they want to take George out at the end they're okay with George still being there as long as he doesn't turn on them and it was only one vote coming to Jerry there was always going to have to be one vote going somewhere and George was never going to let that vote fall on himself so it's not like he orchestrated a whole Blind Side against Jerry in the spot where he was like we're going to take jury out so maybe George can still talk his way out of it but it's going to be a very difficult position for him to be in I did say his great point about Maddie verifying it I wouldn't be surprised if you know did that on purpose so someone can back up a story like she did with Haley that's true because George had a conversation with her afterwards saying you messed up but maybe that was on purpose Ellen is saying I need George to stay it's he's a phenomenal player but also the last person on my draft team yeah like listen you and Mucky have got something in common Mucky is down to two so if either Simon or Jerry goes next he's down to one person as well and we start and like we didn't have like three or four people in our team we had the whole cast to

1:17:35 Select from here well don't forget that the next big twist which is happening right before George gets because voted out and said there's a random edge of Extinction where sneaky Steve is going to win his way back into the game they're given three idols and he's just gonna win the whole season I knew I knew I was gonna regret letting you talk Gabe says Macedonia Jesus is too strong Chris always saves George and Richard welcome to the life says George Groves a beard Chris Cuts is I really hope George makes it to the end decent spots socially for someone with his Threat Level actually Mucky grows a beard I didn't know you could I did yeah I'm good to match with Chris but then he hit your bloody Cutters yeah I cut it every now and again guys you know clean up every now and again but that's really it here for this week I think we've spoken about all the action and I'm really looking forward they've built it as two more weeks to the finale two people will make the end of this show I'm excited to see how it plays out so you know Mucky myself and Kahuna we'll be back next week to talk about week eight of Australian Survivor and be sure to catch us at 8 30 p.m Sydney time on Thursday evening again there's plenty of content coming up on the channel over the weekend though Kahuna and I will be back we're

1:18:55 Going to pre-record this time but we will be back to talk about the challenge World Championships episode two it's been really exciting that season so if you've never watched The Challenge go try and give it a go it's actually a really fun season off the bat and they do explain the backstory of the Legends who are coming back but there's a lot of new school players there's some Survivor players in there you've got Danny McRae you've got Sarah Lucina from the cops arrest Alliance former winner and then you've also got whom I'm missing Ben Drew Bergen one of my favorite winners I know a lot of people don't like them that much I actually really enjoy him so you know seeing him back is a lot of fun and we'll also be back to talk this week to Mike Turner about Survivor 44 episode 2 as well as episode two episode three yeah three geez so many episodes that's been happening I forgot the number but yeah episode three so Mike Turner is here this week to talk to us about that's going to be a lot of fun and top five takes will come out for Survivor as well 44.

1:19:55 I haven't watched the episode yet so I'm probably gonna go do that right after this live as well but for now if you've made it to this point of the life please consider subscribing hit the like button put the notification Bell on so you know whenever we go live to talk about any of these shows that we love and leave a comment below if you're watching this at a later stage so let us know what did you agree with what didn't you agree with who is your hot take on who's winning this season I'd like to know that in the comments below let us know who you think is winning the season and make it you know if you think it's George give us your hot take on who you think is winning and also your Underdog pick because we like to see the underdog picks as well akona absolutely Simon the Perpetual Underdog yep Bucky Mucky this is your opportunity as we get to the end mucky's got an announcement to make but it's actually a serious announcement for one so he's getting up to something so for people that want to get behind that please support Bucky it's a good cause but Makia let people know what you're up to all right everyone so on April 1st which is a couple weeks time I will be doing Relay for Life so those of you that don't know really for life is a event that supports Charities that help people with cancer basically you know helps people with cancer hospitals cancer patients at home and yeah just everyone's suffering with cancer you know families you know everyone and

1:21:16 So what I'll be doing so I'll be creating a fundraiser tonight straight after this podcast I'll be posting it on my Instagram which you can find at markethope.mh I know that Chris will be posting on the nullify take as well and you can donate how much you want you can you know advertise you know you can watch me on my journey I'm pretty sure I'll go live a couple points as I'm walking the event it's a 12 hour walk so yeah I'll just be walking around yeah like helping cancer out so well no not cancer but helping the yeah the patients out with cancer so if you want to get behind you're gonna hit me up on Instagram I'll be posting stuff about it Chris will post stuff about it so if you have any questions let us know and yeah would love to get you know everyone in on this will be it's such a great course such a great event and yeah and that's basically it yeah I will make sure to put a comment on the community post at some point with a link to where you guys can go if you want to support Bucky in this great cause for those that are asking about the points my bad I didn't get to this week guys I really feel bad about it's been a bit of a busy week for me but we will catch up I will say there was about 250 260 points ahead of Mucky coming into this week and having novels and having this many players left in the game I mean I lost Haley

1:22:36 I'm still up four to two I think it probably wouldn't have looked too great so I've just you know we're prolonging mucky's pain a little bit by only doing it next week but I will come back with that at the right time but for now thank you everybody for being here grab your torches head back to Camp we'll catch you guys next time bye