Australian Survivor HvV: Episodes 23 - 24 Review

0:00 Foreign [Music] [Music] [Music] foreign [Music] [Music] welcome back to the nullify Tech channel here on YouTube where we've got the TNT takes for you on Australian Survivor Heroes versus Villains one more time it's finale weak and I'm joined by my co-hosts Kahuna and Mucky as we're here to break down everything that happened in the last two episodes and I'm very excited to hear both of their takes more so Kahuna the monkey because Mucky normally can't keep his

1:20 Takes to himself prior to coming on the podcast but Mucky how you doing it feels like you know I haven't seen you for what two days I know it's been it's been crazy it's been crazy yeah it's now what a great finale you know like often with most finale's and recent Seasons like yeah blood versus water Etc I wasn't really into it I was really into it this season yeah I'm very glad about the outcome it's been a while since we've caught up last time I spoke to you it was all about challenge action we're shifting to Survivor again now how do you feel coming into this finale week did it live up to the hype for you I don't know if it could have after such an amazing season we had such great gameplay great strategy Great Moments and unfortunately for the longest time we all were calling it we all knew that George wasn't going to get to the end and when that happened it was definitely a down like a down moment or a deflation after such a big hype I'm happy with the ending I'm pretty I'm really happy with the finale but it just didn't have that same Zing when we were hoping and praying against what all logic said George wouldn't get there and turned out he didn't but we were hoping he would for sure yeah I think

2:40 We kind of set ourselves up we had our expectations low for George coming into the finale week not because we didn't think that he was a worthy winner not because we didn't think that you know if he got to the end he wouldn't win but we just couldn't see a way for him to do the one thing that he's not good at as good as he is that strategy the guy can't win competitions can't win individual immunities and sadly I think it's one of the reasons why I think no matter what season George comes back into and especially after the season this may have been his best opportunity to win the game because his Threat Level is going to be through the roof I mean he's seated himself Mucky he's the best to ever play the game he's a legend right so for the best to ever play the game to come back what is his chances if he did come back and play again oh it's extremely low I feel like George either needs to wait for someone to become the next door to the next David to take the heat kind of off of him in order for him to come back but I feel like it definitely next time he comes back it's a lot more trouble than what he ever would have been and started this season you know there's at least a path moving forward with Shawnee but I feel like now even certain players like Ashani probably wouldn't really want to use them again the next time it comes and plays so he's definitely in a lot of trouble if he comes back and plays again but yeah he's a massive Legend I loved watching him this season and he did it elevated his status as a legend he was a legend before and

4:00 Is guaranteed a legend now so 100 even if he didn't win we all would have been poorer for not seeing him come back and play this season they'd say hello to a few people here in the live Andre Lee welcome back to the live we've got lovable Nikki welcome I'm not too sure if you followed Australians of other we always love having you here in the live I know lovable Nikki normally follows more of the US content there and Andrea Lee with the little crab yes it's interesting they had the little crab the whole time Liz was on the screen throughout the whole season where some of them had their own theme songs that was sort of her thing this season Gabe welcome Paul Newman Sabri loyal and yeah that I think is everybody here Shayna welcome back into the live as well quite a few people saying they're very happy with the Liz win so far but let's start off at the first episode here of this week we have been hearing that it could potentially be a final to the whole season that's what everybody thought it would be Kahuna were you a little bit shocked when we got into the final four and they ended up having a final three and non-elimination episode you know Advantage up for play to get an extra vote but not an extra vote to vote someone out of the game an extra vote to vote a jury member out of the game let's talk about firstly you know the twist of it being a final three

5:21 I saw some people online say that they did that to save George and to try and get George into the final three did you think the same thing when it initially was announced Kahuna I never actually like legitimately think that but there's that little like worm in your brain where you go what if and it's those people that fuel that and you have to think like you think it but I don't legitimately think that anyone would ever do that or at least I certainly hope not change the complete complexity like makeup of a game for one individual winner when they could have done all these other things along the way to Advantage him even more right like we've said how George has not traditionally been the beneficiary of non-elims and you know production twists and stuff like that so middling not to help me win the game potentially to get an extra 60k in my pocket I'm just saying we do know that you know like the whole way through we've seen eliminations are part and parcel of Australian survive oh non-elimination sorry part and parcel Australian Survivor it's going to be there they have to feel the episode order it's going to be part of the game no

6:41 Matter what I do question the timing of having two in the final six or whatever like whatever the numbers were I think in the final four I was a little bit iffy of it I did think once we got to that point we were going to go to final two I did think that's how it was going to play out I know non-eliminations are part of it I just don't like it that deep into the game you know what I mean like it's potentially game breaking game altering stuff of the of the non-eliminations that you can do this one was not that impactful on the players in the game it hurts Shawnee and it heard all the Sean content the content and the people that are fans of missing out on her for the final travel Council but she's already out of the game and it didn't actually impact or screw anyone in the game so I did appreciate that if we're gonna have it wasn't like a game breaking you know changing sort of twist so that was okay in my it's like the lesser of two evils if you will yeah I agree with you I think that the Australian Survivor production team you know hate or love non-eliminations it's been debated to death on this podcast on other shows I know the purists out there people like myself don't like it but it's a part of Australian Survivor so we accept that it's not going to change it's better to have the show than not have the show at all Mucky I know you're a very big fan of

8:01 Non-elimination episodes so it doesn't really bother you at all but how did you feel about 2016 was my very first Survivor season I ever watched right so I'm not the purist you know they came from American Survivor where there isn't any eliminations but my Survivor Journey started with non-eliminations the first ever episode I haven't watched was the episode where Connor and Samuel Baba and Nick and Tegan went to sanapu and that was a non-animation episode and then was went to rocks on that one and so I've always been used to it you know that's how I've always seen Survivor especially Australian survives that there are non-enominations like guess by Me growing up with that I haven't really minded it like so I was right you don't mind it yeah I thought maybe for some other reason you've started seeing the light side of why it is not right no you're still on it okay I do want to go back to one of the comments here Gabe said Australian Survivor wants final three for TV product imagine if it was a final two Matt and Jerry wouldn't be a good story even though it was

9:21 Smart for Matt to do so I agree and I think they probably saw that and more so thought we don't really want that if Matt and Jerry went up against each other at the end it would not have been good one of the fascinating things actually we'll talk about that a little bit later on I'll hold it in the back because it was very interesting when George went to Ponderosa it was one of the few ponderosas I actually watched this season just the perception he had of both Matt and Jerry's game even going into that was very interesting to follow but I did want to talk a little bit about the twist here shawnee's you know vote to get her out or the vote to get Shawnee out of the jury I always really dislike it when somebody had has fought and earned their way to get onto the jury they've played a damn good game to get to that spot in the game and then they get removed before they get to see who gets crowned as the Australian Survivor season I feel like we missed a really golden opportunity here for Shawnee to be happy for Liz to get that reaction of Shawnee as the Spice Girl one of the Spice Girls and the shares the other half of the shows to see her reaction to Liz winning I think we were robbed of that moment at the end of the show and having something like this where you vote somebody out to me is very unfair so Mucky I think we've spoken about this before but my opinion is that if the Australian Survivor producers bring this back in the future bring back a final jury nullifier for the vote and get everybody

10:41 To spill get everybody to ask the question get them to go and vote and then after aha jury we've got one more twist you didn't know it but one of your votes is going to get nullified right now and then they pull out that little you know disc and they say Shawnee your vote was nullified at least she gets experience of being there Rock Bucky yeah absolutely I do think you know I'm having the removal to us is such like a heartbreaking thing you know I think was the first time that it happened was it go wrong was I with Neil yes there was Neil well I don't know if it was the first one but Neil was one of the people that was removed yeah and how like he you know he was medically evacuated and then he got sent off the jury you know like how heartbreaking is that so yeah I never do things never unfair twist I did find it quite funny how you know there's so much strategy going into on oh we have we have to take out Shawnee because so you know better you know cheering Matt's chances of winning but didn't be mad at the end because Liz won by Landslide so yeah but no I do agree again I do think having that nullifier you know twist would it be better you can share that experience I do think taking a jury member away is quite it's quite sad and especially more sad when there's such a great character like Shawnee yeah you can have an unfortunate side effect as well if it

12:01 Does become the norm apparently like why shiny was taken out is because she was so very obviously and clearly on Liz's side like I remember hearing in some of the exit interviews that Shawnee is actually quite like evident in her praise while sitting on the jury bench like when someone walks in I think Brooke said it actually Brookdale said when you know their season when she would walk in with the immunity necklace Shawnee from the jewelry like and like be pointing at it like yes good job right so it's a very evident where her loyalties lie and if there is the chance that you might be removed from that jury because you're obvious in your preferences then maybe the jury starts to downplay how they feel and be the silent faceless Jewel we don't get the shocked reactions we didn't get the smiles and the looks and the little things because if someone else picks up that I'm happy when someone made a move then I might get removed from the jury later which is a really fascinating thing could be good could be bad like it's a game within the game once you're already out of the game you're still playing another game in order to stay in the game for longer and there's potential side effects for something like that it could really change what they've built up in the jury sort of you know the way the jury works

13:22 Yeah it's interesting I know that there's two sides to the coin where people will say well is it a good thing maybe that the jury doesn't react to certain players while they're out there because that would then make it so that the players that are still in the game won't have a read on the jury and they won't ever read Because what you're effectively saying is that the jury reacting positively to someone coming in and doing something could still be the reason that someone gets voted out and we saw this in Survivor South Africa Return of the outcasts as well where a player like Dante was very obvious that he wanted certain people voted out in the game that was still in the game just by sitting on the jury and you don't want that you don't want the jury still to be a part of the game they're voted out so some ways I almost think that could be a good thing for the jury to keep their Poker Face rather than show where their loyalty is in the game but it's an interesting twist I mean it's one that future jurors I think will have to think about now when they go back if they don't want to get removed I do want to say Shawnee handled this Like A Champion like she went out you know and was very gracious about it I would have been fuming you know I would have been telling them off like there's no way I would have been happy going but I mean this is shawnee's third time playing the game monkey maybe it doesn't matter as much to her at this point like I mean she's been there a few times now she know what it's about she doesn't feel like she's missed out it would have been so much more devastating for

14:42 A first-time player if they were voted out off the jury in this way oh yeah absolutely yeah you know it's the third time playing I think you know she knows I think at that point the little George is going to win you know two people think she would have really advocated for regardless I think she was fine leaving the jury but something I do want to point out about you know the poker face juries is that you know some like for me personally it's some funny parts of tribal council having the jury reactions like Eliza's reaction to Aussie getting Blind Side of Micronesia you know like she's like you know hands in the ear jaw dropped and stuff when Jericho into fire against Michelle and locky's like screaming in the ear you know he's so happy and it's like oh there's different who is the guy who is the guy that was on the jury and Russell season who kept fist pumping every time that Russell played out yeah he's so happy he was so happy he was like yes go Russell show them Russell the Andes like Russell you're the worst human being to ever learn you know Natalie white should be winning the game because she's pure I mean we wouldn't get that moment as well if we don't have the jury reaction to reacting to things there was a great moment as well I watched it recently it was when I think Amanda got vote on Heroes versus Villains and but Russell played an idol because there's potential like sanjo would have flipped but he misplayed her and the jury was all was laughing at Russell

16:03 Because he misplayed an idol and it's like and it's like just a moment it's like just as more fun to the tribal councils I feel like so I feel like having those reactions is different part of it I get it yeah I get it this like I said there's a argument for both sides of the coin and yeah I don't even know where I sit on it to be honest with you because I kind of like the TV moments myself you know so I don't know if I was a player if I would like the jury to get involved but as a TV audience member sitting on the sidelines it can be entertaining when that happens for sure I do want to go back and read a couple of the comments here wool says the game is so much more pure in my opinion when there is a final two I'm a final two fan I've always said it I know some people like the final threes I don't watch survivor anymore thinking that my favorites will win the game The Last favorite that I've had that won the game was Tony vlakos I was extremely blessed to see him win twice you know and he's my favorite player of all time but because of that I feel like you know now I watch it just for good gameplay and to see the show play out because a lot of the times my favorites don't win so the final two doesn't bother me because you know my favorites are winning all that often were final threes I don't think it makes a big difference people just vote the favorite out around or two before now they just they just adapt you know so it's all like you're getting the Fallen Angel into the final two as often Andrew Lee is saying bring back the non-alem twists

17:23 In which both tribes go to tribal and each tribe votes out a member out and everyone has to choose one to save yeah I quite like that one Gabe says better than better than the earns or forcing three players to return from the Redemption twist 100 percent Marcus says all the final four confirmed in their exit interviews that they were blindsided by the final three Enduro removal so they were all under the assumption it was a final two and these are the things that add to the conspiracy theorists out there and when they say the game was modified I can't blame them like listen if I had as a producer a player on my hands like George that absolutely freaking dominated the season the guy is one of the biggest Legends to ever play the game in any franchise of Survivor and he's one step away from getting to the final like it would have been fascinating to see if Matt did win the final immunity do you guys think George sneaks into a final three situation because I feel like Jerry wouldn't have voted against them I felt like it would have gone to fire what do you think Mucky I know I am I'm not sure because would George have taken Liz with them to the final three I think that's the biggest question you know because I think if I've met one's immunity then Jerry is fine

18:43 And taking Liz out but I feel like by having Lisbon immunity in jury you know he wants to kind of step down that you know Georgia map get to the end I feel like there's probably George Spence getting through otherwise and that one's amenity is either Liz goes or they put I mean I don't know because at the same time Matt does want George out so that would have gotten George Matt would have gone George Liz would have gone George 100 the main person that I think would have struggled to go George would have been Jerry because Jerry had a very big loyalty towards him and I have a feeling that George should have gone with Jerry because I do agree with Liz when she said to us that they were kind of like a father and two sons they were that close and she was kind of on the outside towards the end of the game I mean he betrayed her for a reason over and over he never really betrayed Jerry and Matt so I feel like he would have stayed with him but I may fingers crossed have George on the podcast pretty soon to confirm that and I'll definitely ask him that question if he does come on to the podcast because I had a chat with him for you recently I'm just trying to work through Channel 10.

19:45 He's Keen to come and talk so hopefully we can get him on the podcast ask him that question ourselves where do you think George would have gone and Jerry would have gone in that situation if Matt did win that final immunity because the alternative is why did they not just get this round to be the final round with Matt winning in the spot you know you want a Final Extra vote instead of winning maybe the key thing that could have split up the jury and Matt vote because Jerry was never going to go after Matt they need that extra episode man it's episode count they're slaves to it but I think what I want to say what I want to say right that's a great point but can you tell me that you can't edit an extra episode in after the season is finished if you wanted this to be the final round like I'm sure they could have found a way surely yeah but then you would have so I mean Survivor Australia loves to have that epic final challenge that the torture session that goes for you know three days or whatever it is that they're basically dying on a cross and they love that they want that to be in the final episode so then if Matt if that was the final chat that would have had to be on the Sunday ended on that and then Monday essentially just Tribal Council right they wouldn't have been any extra challenge put in yeah and I don't think I think they want to have that big

21:05 Epic visual spectacular in the final episode yeah and I don't think maybe you know what maybe if George had gotten to the final three or maybe someone with George where you could actually get a lot of content and edit a very good long episode because we've seen what was episode seven was essentially 45 minutes of tribal and like oh I had the immunity in there and stuff but when George is on fire and doing George things they can get an episode out of it but when you're sitting at the final tribal with Matt Jerry and Liz maybe I don't know editing couldn't have done it I don't know they probably saw it and thought maybe not but I don't yeah I don't know sorry man it's a bit back and forth isn't it so yeah that's fine I was just I was just wanting to well definitely we'll talk to George potentially we'll talk to Jerry I've had a chat with Jerry as well so that would be awesome to have him on the podcast as well to confirm where his head would have been if he got into a position we could have chosen between them but I do think that you know Brendan we're not going to become conspiracy theorists overnight like I still think personally I had that article that was put out there this week that talked about the potential of the show being rigged and I had my own thoughts on it and I called out some of the things that

22:25 I think for me doesn't make sense if there was a producer who sent these things why is that producer's name not being named I mean anybody can make up a story and then also if a producer did say some of the stuff that came out this week there's non-disclosure agreements that people go into when they work on these shows they're not allowed to talk about it even if it was true so I do think and I've had a few people since then come on the channel and tell me that they're notorious for doing similar stuff on maths which I don't follow and there's a lot of beers that they bring out about Maps that's not true as well the Venn diagram of maps and Survivor fans probably doesn't have that many people that sort of fall in that pocket but I do fine yeah exactly they're all at the same time but yeah I don't think for a second like listen the people who are saying this season has been rigged for George clearly want to take away from the Brilliance of his game and what he did this season and I'm sorry I just don't I don't see it I don't see any of the spots where they talk about the advantages Mucky you brought up a good point about you know the whole I think we spoke about this offline well yeah every now and again every now and again you bring up a good point but you know you spoke about the fact that you know the hide idols and Pathways where people walk and you said well why wouldn't they do that because they want people to find Idols eventually they want those things to be found but there wasn't an idol

23:45 Found since Shawnee found the last one how many rounds did we not have an idol back in the game exactly I think my question was you know well where else are they going to hide Idols bloody top of Mount Everest or something like of course I gotta hide them on the pathways near the world you know that's the most popular places but you know they're always like oh you know George you know they let him to find Idols he found one Idol one Idol exactly even in this previous season he found two Idols one very early on and one quite late into the game so it's like how was that rigging for George you know people say ah all this non-elimited to save George tell me when you got voted out you know what I mean like tell me when he was actually going to receive majority number of votes he never did so yeah they're not being saved in this and this season was not a good thing for George's game she nearly turned Jerry against them because Jerry was the second person out there that caused actually more drama for him to work around in the first place Haley being saved in the game wasn't necessarily a great thing for him either because she was a potential assassin waiting to go in there and stab him in the back when they got to the merch she wanted to take the king out to get to the end so I don't believe it for a second I don't believe that there was anything to it but we get to the final

25:06 Immunity challenge let's talk about the final immunity challenge you know another reason why the show wasn't rigged if it was rigged they would have had KFC available for whoever won this final endurance Challenge and there was no KFC Kahuna but we did see an old friend of the show come back in Kara The Duchess you know she was there to come and say hello to King George how awesome was it to see some previous Survivor Braves versus Braun you know I guess contestants out there to come and Shout George on I love it's so funny like that when you have the friends and family and he's like oh it's Kara yay it's like you normally that's the moment like it was definitely genuine I don't think like he was so glad to see his very good friend and what a testament to the relationship they obviously built outside of the game you know from brains vs brawn it shows the connection that he really did build but it was a great moment seeing Kyra back I think some people online were like sort of saying the or taking the approach of oh that's sad that Cara is his loved one like where's his actual you know friends and family like he's some poor loner and I'm like but he's literally calling his mom his sister and that came out last time I thought it was great that he knows like having another Survivor on the

26:26 Show is always going to be a good thing like for producers would have been like yeah that's cool ring Cara on like we love you know old you know faces and celebrities and things like celebrities but to Survivor fans you get that familiarity you get that little moment of happiness and yeah I was doing the same oh it's Cara that was me as well yeah the Duchess of double Bay I like it if I was Cara walking up there'd be like how the bloody hell did you get into the top four again like how did you do it because you know George had no right the season to even get close to it Cara knows how good of a player he is in the first place but it was awesome to see her there was awesome to see the loved ones I always think that it's so cool to see the loved ones shut them on as they're standing on this perches but I really felt like this Mucky if we were talking about rigging which doesn't exist but favoritism it definitely fitted I think lives a lot better because firstly she's lighter she's got smaller feet she's you know she's a girl going up on this challenge against some of the guys Jerry clearly the heaviest guy out there the oldest guy struggled to stay on that little perch with his heels he was off first they had the contraption with these spikes being pushed into their back with Liz being probably the person that could put body in the best contortionist type of ways while she was up there I felt like it was right in her wheelhouse potentially to win this thing

27:46 Like I said if they wanted to rig it they should have made it something that would have fit a Georgia's skill set I don't know what that is at this point because like I said before I don't know if he's the best Puzzles Either but they could have at least try to give him a puzzle at some point or one of those challenges where you throw a ball in and it goes down and you've got to catch it with one hand just do something different for a change if you want to give him a chance well you know did you say it wasn't Rick for George but it kind of was because the challenge was doing the classic Jesus pose he's got Macedonian genius Jesus on the side bro honestly so true no but I mean you know when it comes to those challenges every single season of Australian Survivor has had that type challenge at the very end so people think it's rigged for Liz go check your history books you know all the way from season one to now the final challenge has always been a very painful endurance you know like small pole you stand on something small you grab onto like yeah it's always that kind of stuff really so yeah as always I think the final challenges are meant for like you know like fillers and the shades of the world you know there's like endurance beasts basically that can just like hold on or you know like say holding the idol for like years basically so yeah Gabe here is saying he only believes that the show is rigged of Mucky goes out and plays and has not

29:06 Voted out first then Andrew Lee says Pedro on with Mucky on the same season and it's guaranteed over 70 not to be the first voted out yeah Rogue would actually have a chance not to be first voted out Mucky if she plays with you the drug and our time talk together with the next dominant window you know with the next George and Cara we're making a TV a loyal say George's last mustache look was done by Simon they bonded in German they buried their differences and leave behind in the game itself I saw the jury Villa was really cool to see George and Simon connect have a chat outside of the game like I've said many times on this podcast and people maybe don't believe it that Simon is genuinely a good guy like you can test out he's a good guy he doesn't have bad feelings towards George it was all for the show and like George even admitted himself that you know every person needs a good rival in the in the game to make it an interesting season so George appreciated this rivalry between him and Simon kuna while we're on the subject of it I mentioned in my top five of players that I want to see come back Simon is one of those players would you agree Simon is a lock to get a third opportunity based on his performance this season he has to be if there was like betting margins or whatever that would be the shortest betting odds ever because yeah Simon had a phenomenal season and made it like I know like pre-season

30:26 They did the Haley versus George all that wasn't there marketing it was Simon and George the whole way through putting on a hell of a show a hell of a performance and that jewelry Villa moment was great where Simon was like you know what I went toe-to-toe with the greatest like and I'm really honored to have played along with you and you played one of the greatest games ever in Survivor and I love that Simon was sort of aware enough and humble enough to go yeah man I took my shot I tried you beat me good game you know ggs let's you know and left it all in the on the on the pitch if you will on the battlefield and can sort of break it down afterwards like real actual Sports people genuinely do you know what I mean like it's a game that they're playing it's not emotional to them they're there for the competition and they played they played as hard as they possibly could and left it all out there and I appreciate that I think it was great I think that they had the complete wrong read on Simon when it came to the end game where George Ford Simon wouldn't vote for him if he made it to the end and he wanted Simon to be voted off the jury I think Simon would have definitely voted for George if he got to the end he would have respected him for getting to the end it's kind of the Chris Noble thing when Dom voted him out and they had this rivalry going on inside of the game and ghost Island and Chris Noble ended up voting for Dom at

31:47 The end because he respected him and he said you got you know you beat me you got the better of me in the game I think the same thing would have happened here with Simon but Simon definitely I think added a lot to the season yes he didn't strategically get a lot right but I would love to see him try for a third time I would love to see would he actually finally be able to get something right and get in the lines around him can he learn that being the dominant Alpha guy from the start because the reason he became fun like a lot of people didn't like it when he tried to become their dominant Alpha guy in the beginning but the reason people liked him is because he became the underdog Mucky very early on he became the Aussie battler that everybody was trying to shout for to say how far can he get in this game without having any allies yeah but it's also like you know when you're Simon's stereotype you know like he's tall he's strong you know he's got the ginormous biceps you naturally do fall into that sort of alpha type leader and I do think like you know Simon played like you know 100 games I feel like they're actually more times where he hears that sort of alpha leader than we then when there's the underdog I just think you know we've just said the red cases where he is technically the underdog I also think when you're coming into the season you know here is the versus Villains you know George is going to be on and how great would that be if you were that you know that kingslayer and I think you know if like you know things were slightly different you

33:07 Know I think Violet maybe two or three percent different I think Simon does take George out instead of Michael if you know what I mean and so yeah I definitely do think yeah you know when you're coming at you know George is going to be there you know he's one of the greatest villains so why not just immutably take him out so yeah listen I don't think there was anything wrong with what he was attempting to do I just think that you had players like Shawnee and Jordy not necessarily moving with him and he just didn't have the numbers to make it happen because there was other alliances happening I don't think George saved himself in that early stages Shawnee was a big part of his game that kept him off the block for the first couple of weeks and then after that he got momentum and we saw the George that we all know and love the one that just strategically took dominance in the game I do want to move on a little bit and fast forward to the immunity you know congratulations to Liz she wins I believe it was her third immunity this season when she won this one and she's got all the power in the game she can decide who she wants to send home but she's definitely in the final three or that is how the jury any case saw it they saw Liz is the person who made the move here as the person who took George out in the game she became the king Slayer but I found it very interesting though kuna because didn't the power kind of lie within Jerry and Matt in this spot because they had two vote votes versus Liz's one vote so they were

34:27 Ultimately going to be the two that need to make a move at this stage or needed to make a move to get George out of the game how did you sort of see this play out because Liz's big claim to the jury at the end was she was the one who took the shot she was the one who wanted to make the move against George when we also know that Matt started going against George in the previous round when he voted Shawnee out and then they decided that they were going to make this move before the merge so they decided to go against George a lot earlier than Liz yeah ultimately I mean when it came to that final trouble Council I think Matt hit the bed man like he had the better play I think he had the better resume even though like George gave him these layups gave him softballs tell me what you did tell me one thing you did and you said it there Chris he should have said to George's face me and Jerry were going final to pre-merch we already had it where you were never gonna sit with us right like they had that and I think Liz doesn't have the same claim but I think by being more assertive being the badass that she is and her Tribal Council performance claimed it and ultimately unfortunately for Matt it just came down to Liz kind of took it from him Matt made the claim but Liz went -excuse me yoink I'm

35:47 The one who did that and I think you can sort of if you like squint and like sort of look very carefully you might be able to see the Liz argument is that by me winning immunity it forced the vote on George like I did take him out by winning that it had to go to like if I didn't win it was coming to me so by me winning that's how I took out George I don't think she did it strategically because as he said Matt was always going to so really the deciding vote was Jerry's the one that sunk just ship funnily enough when he was the biggest person that everyone's saying was a pawn Liz didn't get to do that but her performance in the speeches and the way she claimed it assertively boldly confidently and a badass the same girl that like looked at David and said no I'm playing it the idol the same girl that licked a machete the same girl that looked at jlp in the final thing while he's like got spikes in her back and without even words just says to jlp yeah let's do it again like crank it again it's the badass girl in Liz that even though the move was definitely with Matt he could have claimed it just as hard if not more Liz's assertiveness Liz's confidence and the way Liz basically talked over Matt

37:07 Sunned him made him looks tiny and elevated her game and that was to me was the winning play was not that she took George out it's the fact that she claimed it and the way she did it so effectively was the biggest win for me yeah oh so I was going to say you know because I've been seeing some of the comments about Matt and stuff I do think Liz had a lot more individual moves as well compared to Matt I think Matt was really in the corner where he had to make a bunch of moves with people whereas Liz didn't need it she did a lot of things by herself you know you see the men's argument would have been at that point when she said she had individual moves he should have said to them while your individual moves were the wrong moves you decided to choose to say flick was the person that was going to flip on you so there wasn't a great move by you to save flick and to vote out a loyal person and Stevie prior to the merch you should have not gone that way or you shouldn't have decided not to play your Idol because Geordie ended up going home so again you were in a mood that didn't work out correctly so what move did you make outside of the moose that you make with George that was an effective move that actually moved your game forward and again that wasn't based on luck you know that's what Matt should have done but I don't want to take away from Liz as a winner I'm just pointing out what Matt should have said I do think Liz like you said Kahuna had the best speech she clearly

38:28 Rehearsed the story she had a coherent story from the beginning this is how I came in I was the Newbie player I was playing with confident players that have played this game before Legends of the game so I had to be the third person in the alliance that would listen to them soak everything up learn from them I had to keep my emotions intact when Shawnee was voted out and George kept betraying me and I had to shown that I was going to be a loyal number so he would lower his guard and then I could take a move at the right time which obviously winning the immunity at the end was a big move and she did end up voting him out but what I was trying to say is I find it hard that she can claim that move as her move only when it was the only move to be made at that point anybody that was going to sit next to George at the end would have lost and Matt in my opinion completely lost it Jerry completely lost it and I was shocked by a couple of things with Jerry so Jerry firstly wanted to fall on a sword before he even got to the final Tribal Council showed me that he didn't have the heart or the fight in him at the end to go out there and prove that he should win this game and it was shocking to me kuna because this whole season we learned why he was playing the game he was playing it for his family he was playing it for the family business that is currently going through some financial hardship so it wasn't like he didn't have a reason to go out there and fight for it just looked to

39:48 Me like out of the three people Liz was the only one who really badly wanted it and she went in there fighting for it you know what I put a dancer is that Liz is an Olympian athlete that knows how to like there's this thing called clutch it's the clutch Gene it's being able to perform when the pressure is the highest when it's when three seconds left on the clock and you need a basket to score that kind of thing we call it the Mike Holloway and Survivor you know when you're the white Holloway there you go and Liz being a professional athlete pulled it out when it counted most and Jerry and Matt crumbled Matt like played a like a the nice guy game and that he thought that was going to be his story but when actually questioned and asked he fumbled the bag and he really didn't like live up to what he could have done I think he had an argument that could have been made I think Liz was a flawed winner like you said some of the moves that she made didn't pull off she got blindsided to hell with Shani she lost the vote on the Shawnee jury as well which was another thing Matt could have claimed to knowing that you know I was never going to sit next to George that was the plan all the way look I took out Shawnee right because Liz was gonna be in that final three with me no matter what like there were things that he could have said and could have done even

41:08 Not taking away from Liz making that claim but spooking his own things that he did a little bit more as well I would have taken that approach as well of look me and Jerry had it we saw that George was going to be the ultimate biggest most badass meat Shield ever and we wrote his coattails until we could cut him absolutely that's a tactic it's boring and whatever you might not like it's not spectacular but that was the plan from the get-go and I'm sitting here in your knot right my plan worked because me and Jerry are here and he had things to say and he didn't get any of them out when George is saying tell me one thing you did right Jerry's thing was like I'm old and I'm here I'm older than anyone I can't believe I can't believe Matt didn't turn around and told him that basically my Beast move it wasn't like I didn't have people approaching me to go against you I had Hayley coming to me to say flip on him you know he's won the 60k I had options in the game I had Social Capital people wanting to work with me but I understood that my golden ticket was jumping on your back and taking you out at the end because I realized I could probably beat you in an individual immunity challenge now you didn't beat him in the last challenge but again you know George was never going to go to the end because he was this big of a threat no one was going to sit next to him so it gave him an opportunity to go to the end of the game it's

42:28 A high risk High strategy game but I think that with a player like George you can take that risk because you know he's not great at the individual immunity part of the game you wouldn't take that risk of the David gennard or with a Luke Toki or you know for Haley or someone that's capable of going to the end winning the final immunity and playing a great strategic game because you know that they bring more to the game as an all-rounder which George didn't bring this season so for me very interesting and I was very happy with Liz winning because I did feel like the way that the show was edited I just could I couldn't see a mat or Jerry win the show and feel like it was something great because at least Mucky you know someone brought it up here in the live I think Andre said Survivor Master Class lesson and having multiple alliances and naming them so you can show the receipts when pitching yourself to the final tribal she was involved in a lot of different alliances that she could call out and she was a part of that spicycle alone so a windfall is a win for George and we know that George feels like this was a season so I mean he wanted to be a part of the person who was going to win the show yeah and something I did want to bring up as well is that it's kind of like the Tara effect right so Tara started playing at the final five Matt started playing like you know really strategically towards the very end of the game whereas with Liz you know whether there are good moves or

43:48 Bad moves she was an active player throughout the game right you know whether she was making the you know bad moves like keeping floating voting out Stevie or she was doing something you know quite good like being able to scrap it away off the bottom of a swap to get in with a David Nina and Sam so I feel like it's that long-term effect where it's like yes Matt he did have a couple moves like you know technically off the during you know writing George's coattails so he can take him off but this was very more active throughout the game whereas like Matt kind of chilled throughout the game so David do think that has that aspect on the jury which I didn't even realize was watching again the final travel Council all of them were returning players I knew Jerry's game was sunk the moment Sean spoke up and he said well listen you talked about rugby I obviously was a professional player David was a professional player so at some point we were going to have to bring it up but I tried to make it not the main topic of conversation at Camp so I actually know what your hobbies are do you know that we have a cross over in hobbies and it clearly showed that there was a lack of social care or awareness from Jerry in those early stages and that's why he was on the outs because he kind of categorized them as Demetri boys that they only have rugby they don't do more than that and

45:09 When Sean said well I know these four things are your hobbies and I also like doing them it just it really sunk in for me that you know he completely played this game wrong he went into a shell had his Alliance never really wanted he forgot that it was a social game and that he still needed to at least pretend to be friends with these people that you're voting into the jury so that you get votes when you get to the end it was I think a lesson that he learned this season obviously Jerry came into the game I don't think as a necessarily a big fan of the show he probably learned a lot from playing this time and again it's like I said on my takeaways I just really hope we get some good casting for this next season because yes it was entertaining to see George dominate this season it was a lot of fun to see him dominate it would have been more fun Kahuna if he had resistance if there was other players out there that actually made it difficult for him to get to the end because the two biggest players in this game was kind of allies of his and there was Shawnee and Haley so who was the main person that could go up against them and go Toe to Toe with him Kona Simon we saw it happen and he found really every time Simon was fun and he was entertaining but he wasn't the strategic person that could go up against them Head to Head you know what I mean yeah and I mean you said that two of the biggest ones that could have gone against him

46:29 Being Shawnee and Haley being strategic masterminds themselves saw that the smart thing to do is to align with George right you don't want to go against George because it's a battle you might lose our Simon he knows well right like I don't know like could you put a people against him sure but is that a risk you're willing to take Haley was going to like everyone knows everyone said we're not going to sit next to him at the end it's just about timing when do we do it right and every time they didn't take that shot George got to take his so maybe taking the shot earlier and building that I do think as you said George couldn't play again like we said he shouldn't have got past the first week if he ever steps onto an island again he's gone immediately he has to right and we said the only reason why he didn't get through this time was potentially because of his injury saving another conspiracy theory but yeah if he comes out again he's so targeted I don't think you could you could put anyone against him and the entire tribe will vote him out I don't see how he can talk his way out of this again but he's proved us all wrong many times over so who knows yeah I think it's also like the factor of who said yes to coming back and who said no to coming back you know there's only so much you can really do to try to get you know returning

47:49 Players that come back to God against George and maybe you know some of the players well isn't that a sign that they did it too early isn't that a sign that maybe they should give it three seasons before they start bringing returning players back so that people want to come back because if I'm David ganado Luke I'm thinking guess what they'll do another returning season next season maybe I'll just wait let George have the easy one this time go up against some newbie players and I can come back and then in another half and half season to easily win the season that follows you know because Australian Survivor keeps bringing people back so Mucky when you're out there don't be surprised if you're going up against David gennett next season I mean I would love that but I also think it's not your name like can we please can we Mucky say that he would love going up against David Canuck next season because this is the reason that people think lucky that you're going to be the first voted out because you don't understand the danger you're going into if you go and play up against the player like David goodnight you should not be loving this is the problem Kona this is what frustrates me with newbies playing this game they're Fanboys Mucky is a fanboy wants to meet David Gennady wants to hang out with him he wants to be a part of the golden god Army but if you want to win the game monkey you should not be excited to go up against David you know because everyone's saying you know

49:09 David's game they know he's a golden God but what people don't know is I'm the grizzly Sasquatch that's gonna be rising up underneath the golden god it's netting them away from a shrine you know so Kona watch Mucky being picked last on every draft pick that season going into it no I'm I know that I've chatted to you about this Chris I think I've chat to you about this as well now I think this season has propelled Australian Survivor you know like in terms of ratings and viewerships people just interested in the show straight back up you know blood versus water was such a low for so many people the hero's business villains I feel like I can step in a massive safer than which to credit was George you know we did have fans on the show we've been on the show we had Matt on the show what did they do I get where you're coming from but is Australian Survivor hiding are they hiding the problem by bringing back returning players the problem isn't the fact that they need to bring returning players back the problem is the fact that they keep bringing people back that are sports stars that are Instagram influencers that don't know what they're getting themselves into so they could be putting themselves in this fake world right now thinking oh look at that we got it right this season we got people interested in the show and

50:30 Then they could go back and do the exact same thing next season and have a boring season again because they don't actually look for great casting choices of everyday Australians that watch the show people like yourself Mucky like you know I joke a lot about the fact I know you're not Australian you're new zealanders I don't know if you can get on there but you know if you do apply for the show if you do go and play the game I think it would be exciting at least it'll be entertaining because you want to play a big game and you'll make moves when you're out there you know what I mean I just think that bringing back players that's not the thing that we should be looking at and saying wow this is saving Australian Survivor because we need to bring back Luke and David next year I'm telling you that trick is going to run out Australians are gonna get bored of seeing the same people go out there over and over again they need to create new Legends Kona what do you think of it as someone that is in Australia do you want to see the same players go out there over and over and over again I'm a Vic's mind because you know like we also do a podcast on the challenge and that is their formula when you have characters that you know perform well do great on TV they you want to keep using them and that builds that relationship that builds that familiarity that builds the fandom around your cast you're making them now cast members of almost like you would of a scripted TV show like The Last of Us or Game

51:50 Of Thrones or something right you want to follow their progress performance look you want to follow their progress you're invested in how they perform and it's hard to do that with new people every single time when it's 100 you're trying to find the people that you love and like and you know it's a hit and miss but when you've got a proven formula I know that every time I roll George out in front of people it's going to go well then I'm gonna try to roll George out in front of people as often as I can you know what I mean so yeah Thank You Velvet thank you thank you there's the proof season two was Peak newbies to be honest they didn't need to rely on sports stars they don't need to get Instagram influencers and sports stars give us newbies playing the game next season so I want to see two or three newbie Seasons like I'm not against Richard I love seeing return New Seasons I love seeing it I hate the fact that we haven't seen so many great players return in Survivor us for such a long time because there is New Legends that could be born over there but when you're doing it season after season let's give it a rest and I think they will I know I might be venting and freaking out for no reason because I really think that next season I mean this could be famous last words and then we do see some returning players on the on this boat coming in next season to be team captains out there but let's see what happens

53:10 Next season I don't want to freak out too much let's come back to the finale here let's talk about you know the end here someone asked earlier and apologize I should have highlighted it but somebody asked them the live what did we think of this jury where would you write them out of you know Five Points like from one being not better at all to five being very bitter very spicy where would you rate them between one to five one not that spicy five being very spicy and bitter coming into this finale that's an interesting that's a good question because I don't think there was like bitter from the perspective of oh you screwed me over and I'm angry I think there were the brutalness or the spiciness came from tell us about your game sell it to us and holding them accountable for when they couldn't and that's when the awkwardness came that was like no Jerry you're claiming stuff that wasn't Haley even talks about self-awareness and to me that felt very spicy but it wasn't from a bitterness from you took me out it's more from like no you're sitting there show us that you deserve it and explain it properly and when they couldn't I think that's when they sort of smell blood in the water and kind of went harder at Matt and Jerry if you will Liz was the only one that was really able to stand up to it and therefore she won but it was better

54:30 But because we said they're returning the entire returny jury I don't think it was like hurt feelings it was more like brutal from like we expect a lot from the final travel Council and where we're probing for it you know what I mean well they were saying Mucky that Nina was quite brutal out there and we didn't see Nina's question at the end do you think Nina had an extra spicy question that they thought maybe we shouldn't leave this in the edit maybe yeah I'm I know that sometimes the sense of over they do leave those things up to kind of I guess protect like the legacies like I think Jordy and Jesse went like really hard at Chrissy like coming out for doing like nothing of blood business supporter but they didn't add that in because obviously you know Jordy they wanted to deliver us like this heroic guy on the season you know so they didn't really want to touch the snack maybe something happened with Nina it's also I understand the frustrations that they would have had because we also shared the same frustrations why isn't Matt and Jerry doing anything you know what I mean it's like at least with this as I mentioned before she was making moves kind of you know throughout the season for good or bad but with Matt and Jerry like you know with me personally they didn't really do anything throughout the game and they ended up like oh you know we showed up day 46 took out George that was a big move well

55:50 You went to 46 days to do like one or maybe two things doesn't it show that they had a great that it doesn't show that they had a great social game they understood where the power structure was they understood where they needed to vote how to stay out of like I think the biggest thing we can fold Matt and Jerry on was not being great at articulating their game at the end and not being great at keeping bonds with the people that they voted out I think you can blame them on that but clearly their strategy got them to the end they should have owned up to their strategy getting them to the end I just think that it came down to some people are sales people some people have Fighters and others aren't and I think that is the difference here in the end because we've got to understand and remember Mucky that this is an edited show they edited the show on purpose leaving a bunch of confessionals that Matt did on the island out of the edit I mean when you look at the final confessionals and this is why the editing for Australian Survivor is still horrible it's the only way I can put it George that's horrible it's the worst of all of the franchises by a country mile when you're the best final when you've got the finals now when you've got the final four when you've got the final four one person's got 155 confessionals two people have got 42 confessionals and the other person's got 28 confessionals how is that not lopsided

57:13 You're making your argument against yourself Chris with the casting the reason why a mat doesn't get a lot of confessionals is because when he has his confessionals they're boring they're driving they're definitely they're dry so they're talking to camera they're obviously interviewing people it's not like the producers on the island are like ignoring people and that's like or David was on the side going how come they're not talking to me no they would have been talking to him the entire time they get the edit and go well this is useless this is all crap this doesn't make sense this is not editorially or narratively or building the story we want so yeah like Matt didn't have the content there that they were deemed willing to use or deemed good enough to use and George is just throwing out gems constantly he's just every time he opens his mouth he just spits gold out and they're going to give him all the things because he's giving them what they want for the edit you know and but again but again I'm gonna go back to the fact that it still hides the problem that is there that they need to rely on returning players to give them good confessionals because their casting department is not good enough at casting people that can give us entertainment out there they've been struggling for a long time now I don't know what the casting department is doing Mucky they should be putting you on the show well

58:34 Just because my Eggman against eucharest because Kahuna and I were the roads now but it's like you know like are you guys for sure have I just found out that this the shiz Alliance is on the TNT podcast with the ma for the mark you know no but no but basically it's like what is it yeah you want to show players are actually doing something you know like can you imagine you know every episode we hear from Jerry Matt going oh yeah no I'm so impressed with the plan I'm not interested but that's all they've got to say because they're just starting with George why would you want to give them confessionals I mean you've got Simon that's actively throwing everything against the wall to try to get George out you've got George throwing everything against the wall to try and maintain his position of power you've got people fighting and scrapping and then you know I think Nina said at the final five Jerry gets told the plan and he just stays here by the camp attending the fire he's not doing anything why show him confessionals when he's not actively doing anything you know it's a TV it's a TV product right and you want to advertise the best of what's going on you don't want to leave it dry and boring that's why Survivor doesn't have live camps just like a big brother it's because it is an edited show at the end of the day so I think they want to show the best of what's going on and unfortunately you know George he is giving the best Simon he

59:54 Is also given the best at things so yeah so again I hear you guys on that I agree with that 100 it's a TV show you want that but it comes back down to who's to blame for having Duds on the show who's to blame who should who should take the blame for not giving us compelling characters on the show well Matt is exactly what people are screaming out for right at the start of the Season people like he's a fan he's one of us he's going on the show and he's going to be our Avatar he's the representation of the fans he's in the Australian Survivor fan group right I remember him getting introduced in there but what that shows is that all the people watching the podcasters the people that comment on things they can see the editor thing they can see the strategy but once you get out there and you're talking to a camera and there's cameras falling everywhere and producers and stuff and they're like okay give us a gem throw out a one-liner that's going to cut through and be memorable for all of Australia that's watching you like that's a hard task someone who is like and it's hard to find people that can be the total package and do everything that is great on camera that is funny and charismatic that has the strategy that can build the relationships and like when you say they're missing it on the casting I

1:01:14 Think it's because it's a very like look how many seasons of American Survivor there's been how many people fit that perfect thing where we're like they are the package versus how many Duds actually go out in the first however many episodes of a season you know what I mean like we think that Australia loads it but they're trying they just can't I don't know like maybe what we have a smaller talent pool to pick from except for Mucky of course he's going to lift that but like if you know we're competing with Maps they're doing what the New Zealand the New Zealand rugby team does and just import them now you know the importing Mucky to go and provide some entertainment over there I want to read a couple of the comments I want to read a couple of the comments because we've been ranting for a while now Ellen welcome to the live you've walked into a very hot bite here about the editing of Australian Survivor we'll probably talk about that maybe in an off-season podcast at some point because I am unwilling to give the casting team I'm unwilling to say hey you can't do better I believe the casting team can do better and get us great talent but Ellen says I found Matt's exit with our app super interesting he said he thought it was going to be a final two and not three which is why he didn't make a big move straight away and that seems to have been a confusion

1:02:34 Throughout the whole season Andrei saying and that awkward moment for the loved ones when George shifted seats to talk strategy with Terry that was a good moment lachlan's land and this is Lachlan thank you flick out the most confessionals in season one and hardly any and all-stars it's not a quality content it's incompetent editing since season four it's just been awful editing there's been a lot of seasons in recent times where the Australian editors don't care about more than four people like they'll 75 of the content is going to come from four people when they have the show I just think it's lopsided like I refuse to believe Australians I've been to Australia Australians have got massive characters like you go there you laugh your ass off at Australians because they're funny as hell you know this Kahuna it's not a problem with characters why can the editing team not give us more from more people is my is my point you know when you make a TV show you have the main cast and then you have the side characters and The Supporting Cast and they get the featuring title they don't get the starring title right that's an Australian editors that go look Australians you don't need to worry about these people here's the important things we're gonna spoon feed you this is what you need to worry about this is what you need you watch Neighbors Home and Away maths and we're just going to make it nice and

1:03:54 Simple follow these people don't worry about them they're not important here's where all the big stuff is happening and then go from there and I like I don't mind it I'm a I'm a big dummy and I just like yes give me reality TV and feed it to me and I'll just watch it and smile right I do a little bit more than that but I'm fine with it I don't have a problem with it I don't care about Fraser I don't need to know about Fraser and all the stuff that he said because I'm happy to keep having more George I'm happy to keep having more shiny because they are great and I don't give a crap about the ones that you know aren't contributing to the overall success of the television program is my stance I think that's fair Gabe says here bigger fan doesn't make you a good TV character that's why Australian Survivor casting says they don't care casting wants interesting people and Gabe I agree with you I could give them a pass if they're not putting people on there very transparently because they've got a big Instagram following they're putting people on there because they think ah this person's got 60 000 or 100 000 followers on Instagram but what they don't take into account is that Instagram is not Joe locked to Australia they've probably got 50 or 60 000 out of that hundred thousand that lives over in Canada or in somewhere in the UK that won't be paying customers watching the show so just because you've got a high following does not mean that you're gonna bring in the eyeballs to the show is my point but I agree sometimes

1:05:15 You know great recruits have played the game before some of our best players and we spoke about this on the podcast before have been players that did not watch the show before they went out there it makes them think about the game in a more Innovative way because fans also have got that limit on themselves when they go there they've seen how the games played before they've seen how the best they've done things and they kind of fall in the same traps or try to emulate the players that have come before them so I think if you're a new player going out there you're going to be a little bit more loosey-goosey with the gameplay you'll have and releases I reckon you need to play bold and not be afraid with being portrayed as a villain afterwards I agree and also agree with odette's comment I did Welcome to the live here he says the fact that the players believed it was a final two is definitely on them especially since the last season was the final three I agree you cannot leave it up to the producers to decide your fight till it's the end of the game if you're sitting there so close to the end with someone as big as George and you don't make the move then that's on you isn't that saying you have to play every season when you're out there like it's your last time that you're playing and you're not going to get another opportunity you've got to play balls to the wall when you're out there Gabe says Australian Survivor edit here your star's background characters and everyone else doesn't matter velvet says who wants to watch a TV show about people sitting at Camp listening to one person and wanting to make a

1:06:35 Move that's never going to happen that's fair that's fair saying a show like Survivor which is about social dynamics how is it not important to hear from everyone so we can have a good gauge on what's Happening that's my place goes against my things it's two points lachlan's chat on mine there is gonna be two points to this argument 100 like I mean I clearly I do agree and again I don't want to go out in circles here but I do agree the TV show is very important I just think that I don't need to hear about the same plan six seven times from the same person in the same episode I would prefer to have a little bit of variety with maybe Matt says hey the reason I'm not making a move right now is because I know I can be George at the end one confessional you don't have to give him six give them one let me know where people's head are at the game throughout the game so that I actually know that there is more than four players playing the game that's how I look at it's also more interesting for me as a podcaster somebody that reviews the show because I sometimes feel like I might have been unfair to Matt and I wouldn't even know that I might have been on feed to Jerry when I criticized him for not playing because how did we know they didn't play how do we know that they weren't doing things but again you're right they probably didn't articulate it and we saw it at the final they couldn't even articulate it at the final Tribal Council so it was horrible I want to continue to read because the comments are just lying

1:07:55 In at the moment Ellen's saying you'd think that having 24 apps would mean and even edit for all 24 players but no Australian Survivor editors are like nope Andrew Lee says Survivor users needs to happen episodes as long as Survivor Au it's missing so much context for the viewers I haven't seen the latest episode yet but I'm sure it'll be the case that's the other thing that I'd love to do at some point in the off season is talk about what do I like there's still some stuff I prefer on Survivor years compared to Australian Survivor and there's things that I much prefer from Australian Survivor compete to Survivor us so talking about those things and the strengths of the different franchises I think could be a very interesting thing to talk about Andrea Leesburg Sue's Big Move yeah it's like move Lachlan said I agree with you more on the challenge videos so going to stick to the channel Ellen say well they need to do redo the editing team I did really enjoy the season much better than blood versus what it was better definitely was better they tried it just became very lopsided because I think they were unlucky that the three players because none of those three players were compelling to listen to when they spoke like I don't think to the to the camera and it's his problem is Chris what if Matt said I'm sticking with George cry week will the editors show him say it

1:09:15 Every week be better no not every week but at least once like let us know where his hits at least once you know or I'm sure the editors asked them it's like so what are you doing like what is your move why are you sticking with the slides right now I'm sure that question was asked Bucky yeah now you know something I just realized now so you know Sean and Sam could have criticize Jerry for poor social game but when you think about it Jerry had the best social game because he made alliances with Shawnee right who literally sacrificed her game to save Jerry to fall on the sword for the other two but Matt's like now we're voting out George so we think about a Jewish Social game was the best out of everyone's at final Tribal Council he had the best allies for sacrificed their games well the funny thing was at Ponderosa George went in there convinced he was going to vote for Jerry at the end he actually told everybody at Ponderosa that Jerry played the best game he was the one that was the closest to him on the Strategic moves and somewhere down the line the jury convinced them their jury's not that person he said I would love to vote for my friend Liz but I feel like it would be my heart over my head so his head was telling him Jerry where his heart was telling him Liz which was very interesting coming from the person who made all the moves Kahuna so clearly Jerry did a lot more than

1:10:35 What he could articulate at the end yeah in his exit interview George sort of painted the picture that he would go to Jerry for advice and Listen to Jerry and use this so when Jerry says he was driving the ship George did consult with him but George said he never went to Matt for advice he'd never felt Matt had anything to offer in that regard and that when Simon keeps saying that they were pawns he said that if that were the case Jerry was probably his Pawn but Matt was Jerry's so George always used Jerry to control Matt so he knew that relationship was actually stronger and Jerry and George said that he was Stronger his relationship was actually stronger with Liz on a personal level so I found that really fascinating that he Jerry did have a bit of control over Matt and George used that but it was a he was the conduit so he went to Jerry for a lot of things so he went into that jury Villa and tried to talk him up I ultimately think like I said it came down to performance on the day he knew that he had or leading up to there I think Jerry's the most deserving Jerry's done the most thing and he even tried to convince other people of it but come the day when you have to perform Jerry did not and I think George respects that Liz could step up to the plate and actually like you said maybe

1:11:55 Again Tribal Council ever but it was competent and she put something forward that the other two weren't able to and George respected that I think okay well I think that's a great way to end the recap for this episode let's talk a little bit before we go into our final points for the season I don't know if Mucky wants to see this for the draft let's talk a little bit about returning players I had my five returning players I've already dropped it for people who are interested to know who I would like to see come back bakuna and Mucky I'm sure you guys have got your own opinions Mucky if you had to name five people that you would like to see back who would those five people be and keep it briefly let's not go into a long explanation for each one of them but just let us know who's the five players you'd like to see back Shawnee differently I feel like specifically number one I'd love to see come back oh gosh who else Sarah would love to see Sarah come back Anjali would love to come back sneaky Steve as well I feel like he's such a great character I'd love to see him come back for a third time and Liz I'd love to see seeing this come back yeah well those can fit into the fans with his favorites as well because I mean they're pretty loose with their whose favorites when they bring favorites back on the show okay who know who would you like to see come back I think Mucky

1:13:16 Just lost the draft again I don't know I'd like to see Liz try to go for a double anytime there's a champion I think you need to have a champion come back at some point in the future I'm on your boat Chris where you're saying maybe not anytime soon so I can say like I would 1 000 love to see George try again I would a thousand percent love to see Haley try again I just don't want to see it anytime soon because I don't think they've got an open ticket to come back whatever they want but I don't think they have anything else to prove at this point either like George can't improve on his legacy except by winning and we know that would be virtually impossible right so people from this season like I said I want to see Liz have another go I don't know if there's much more Matt and Jerry will be able to bring to the table Nina I don't know like I'm tired of the import thing so yeah like I guess some of the rookie I want to see Geordie have another go because we did see an evolution in his game that he did change I don't want to see if that Evolution continues or stagnates or whatever who else I'm trying to remember actually who I think would be good to come back besides on the you know [Laughter] newbies

1:14:36 Ben I'd like to see Ben have another go I think that he had a lot to offer but just did it in the wrong way and really showed allegiance to the wrong people that were never gonna be on his side and I'd like to see him get in with some people that he can actually talk with and strategize with that aren't gonna automatically put him on the out so yeah I did I think Nina should go play Survivor us next like I'd like to see a good place to live she's welcome back in Australian Survivor I think everybody would love to see her again but I would love to see her play in Survivor U.S more than what I would like to see a play Australian Survivor again velvet says I think Sarah had a lot of potential if she was on a tripe without returning his I think her position on the tribe is very interesting she only got sniffed out by Shawnee which was her downfall which is true lachlan's lad saying get Sam frost on that island so that's jordy's partner to potentially go play Maybe blood vs water two jordy's back on another Blood vs Water season and gets her out there we also I think Pauline Hansen is a she oh no what dude I don't know who she is she like politician or something yeah she's a piece of garbage all right she's a racist xenophobic piece of crap don't put it on my TV thank you all right I don't know what I was bringing up there because I'm not from there so I don't know I don't so

1:15:56 She is Andre Lee come on man Ellen says I want Simon Jordy Ben and Anjali and jolly looked like she could have been a lot of fun I thought Anjali was really good so that would have been good okay let's get into the final draft Point here for this season and we came into this final with four players left I ended up losing George I had two players going into the finale and I had one going against me but to be honest I think we were like 300 points apart coming into the finale so even if you won there would not have been any shocks in regards to who actually ended up taking the win out here you ended up on 983 I ended up on a thousand three hundred and seventy eight nearly 400 points between us at the end a bit of a blowout I was really banking on dipping another shock which is a final two which jury would have won the final four and the final three challenge plus wouldn't you unanimously you know plus get 100 confessionals in both of those stickers yep so final points for the players that were left in the game lives at 196.5 after she won mad hit 181.5 and Jerry had 136.5 top Point getter for the whole season the

1:17:17 MVP pick for the whole season was George at 198 points he got me at the end and there was a couple of bonus confession bonus sections here George had the most confessionals most individual immunity wins I believe was to draw between Simon and Matt most advantages found were Shawnee lease votes casted against them was Liz most advantages played correctly was Shawnee so Shawnee definitely got you some bonus points there towards the end of the season but what about the least number of confessionals at least we didn't have a bonus for least amount of confessionals for the whole season just give him but it wouldn't have made a difference you would have still been about 350 behind so Matthew is hoping that Jerry found eight Idols in the final episode I mean hey production of pointing them for people now right thank you everyone thank you this is the this was a very needed win for me because I feel like I've come off like two or three losses in my recent draft so Mucky threw it to me this season so I could win this one and I much appreciate it Kona you're doing still pretty good over on the Survivor 44 draft so I think you're the one to beat on that side I don't know any of the outcomes for today so obviously I still need to go and update that draft after watching Survivor 44's latest episode but for

1:18:37 Those that are going to be hanging around tomorrow I've got a very special guest coming on the podcast I'm super excited to speak to him it's going to be Pyridium cutting down breaking down all of the Survivor 44 action for the latest episode so I'm gonna go watch that episode straight after this live you guys have been great in the life this whole season you've been keeping us honest thank you so much for being constructive in your criticism and feedback and you know it's been great it's been a great season Kahuna Mucky like I'm looking forward to covering this with you guys again when the next Australian Survivor season comes out any final thoughts or words Mucky on this season in Kahuna what's wrong that's all I gotta say I mean I love the season the TV show itself and what we saw I think was one of the best Survivor Seasons we've ever had and George put on a performance that is one for the record books French worldwide Global franchise I think what we saw is something that will be remembered for a long time and the thing that made it really even better for me was that I got to be involved in this not to you know suck up in that but thank you Chris thanks Mucky you're a blast and all the people commenting all the time and actually welcoming me and you know letting me espouse

1:19:58 My opinions and actually give me any time to talk is actually pretty important so thank you all I really loved it and it was such a good season mainly because I got to do this yeah so obviously it's the off season that's going to start now I am going to get ready to go back and watch all of Australian Survivor because I want to give the audience some more off-season content I realize there's a whole gap of potential Australian Survivor content that we could be covering here on the show so if you're interested in following along I will be streaming live re-watching some of the shows maybe on Twitch or Kik I'm not I haven't decided which one of the two yet whichever one is going to allow me to watch and screen share I'll do it on there so if these people who want to jump in and watch it with me and have a chat with me while I'm doing it I might have may have Mucky on sometimes I might have because we're not on sometimes watching it with me as well as we react live to the episodes as we watch it we're going to be checking out how Christy did it and after all of this I think there's going to be some great comments and commentary that we could put out there in regards to who the players are that played the best game what the tier rankings are for the best in Australia winners wise Seasons wise and so forth so much more seasoned content coming soon Kona Mucky will be back like to talk to me about that but if you got to this part of the live please consider subscribing please consider liking this video it helps immensely with growing this channel we're well and truly on our way to

1:21:18 A thousand eight hundred subscribers let's try and get to 2 000 subscribers before Survivor 44 finishes this season or the challenge World Championships that would be such a great achievement if we can get there and by you guys supporting and commenting below it really does help us get recognized in the algorithm all right thank you so much everyone see you guys next time grab your torches and head back to Camp bye