Australian Survivor: Titans vs Rebels Week 6 Review

0:13 [Music] [Music] a [Music] [Music] welcome back to the nullified podcast here on YouTube where we've got the TNT takes for you on Australian Survivor yes we're back to talk about a big week and there's been so much drama even before we went live tonight that is why we are late we've been trying to get mcky not to quit the podcast he's been low and down all day doesn't want to talk to any of us and it's been a real struggle to get him on the podcast because obviously he's lost someone very dear to him this week but I'll introduce some of the others here first on the podcast before we go over to maky Tom I know you've been you know mak's your bro he's your he's your rightand man you know

1:33 What's been going on with maky talk to us have You' been able to talk him out of like I don't know it feels like he's quitting on the podcast to me I haven't actually talked to him but there's a really fun game I wanted to play quickly if you don't mind so it's guess who so I'm the safest player in the game I have the best chances of winning by a country mile and mcky has a body pillow with my face on it who am I [Laughter] anyone in chat anyone it's so hard I mean listen Ferris is feeling sorry for M he tried he tried to keep her in the game but it's been said a body pillar with mak's face on it I would have said me yeah you backstabbed me Kahuna I don't acknowledge you y you're not you've got the half Filipino side right at least when it comes to that yeah what a what a week what a week to talk about here kuna welcome to the podcast how have you been thank you sir very good very good I mean this freaking crazy ride that is a stali Survivor keeps on going like I was I thought of a weird analogy this week and I'm going to see just run it past you guys maybe I'm just thinking weird but I was watching it

2:53 I'm like this is so entertaining this so amazing but when I look at some of the moves I'm just like oh it doesn't look quite right some of them I'm like why do you do it but I'm still entertained and I was like it's kind of like when you see a really cool like AI picture and it's like that looks amazing AI is so cool wait look at his hand like you go this is this looks amazing I'm entertained but there's some of the moves I'm like what is happening it's so crazy like an out there but I am thly entertained yeah I can't I can't wait to talk about it I think there was so many different levels of gameplay happening here this week we've introduced Tom we've introduced Kahuna let's go over to maky and see if you're still here maky have you decided to join the podcast or are you still in morning my friend talk to us everybody is waiting I am in morning whoa candles a tie I've never seen you in a tie before mate it has been a really sad week you know I said I said last week that I picked e as my winner pick I chose that from week one kiss of death and then I said last week that Jayden's my dark horse to win they go out backto back

4:13 And I've I just I just don't know how to process it and I feel like I needed to do something you know as an actor director I've gone to film school I was a coach for impr acting I've won awards for my films I've done great performances like Ferris and like Raymond right you're like them yeah except I've won actual Awards and I just I needed a way to process my emotions and being such a creative genius person I hope you don't mind but there's something I'd like to share with our audience today listen audience I apologize in advance for what is about to happen we've been trying to talk mcky off the Lee but here it comes M let us know what's on your mind mate talk to us I'm so ready what's on my mind it's and you know when I was a kid I learned how to play the recorder and the skills have always stuck with me so it's a really hard times day so I hope don't mind I have a song I'd like to play all right go for it mate

5:34 Oh [Music] I one you have to [Music] go no I where have you [Music] gone I no you have to [Music] go once again everybody apologies mcky needed to get this out of his system and do you feel better mate do you feel better it's as I said it's been a tough week but after no but he's you don't understand Brenan brenon you don't understand he's got years of experience in I do yeah as I said with years of experience I think take allow me to process listen this is why can I just say this is why Tom would be the best Survivor player out of all of us

6:55 While mcky distracted everybody he was out looking for an idol while we listen to that you know so like we got distracted kuna Tom's got the new advantage or the idol in the game he is safe he cannot be voted out of the podcast for next week well I gotta say whatever acting Ferris may have put on laying it on thick and all maky has to do for this advantage that Ray had is that go out play bring a recorder as your luxury item that they used to have in the early 2000s on Survivor you bring a recorder you sing a song you get unanimous votes 100% everyone's voting to get send you home man you got it you solved it they can't actually use the twist again maky just has to do it I just have to be my normal self and any twist like that will work perfectly fine 100% you're a rebel like Raymond mate like you know it will just fall in your lap I may act like a rebel but I'm a Titan by heart you know and I process my heart favorite thing is that my favorite thing is Mary has to do the rest of the podcast like that with entire time listen I don't know how to segue from this has been strange

8:15 To put it nicely but you know let's move into actually getting into on with the show let's say hello to a few people here we've got loyal in the live Andre Lee coming in with the 10 New Zealand thank you so much saying Survivor turkey All Stars 2024 start a turbo for the win this win will make him the first three time Survivor winner of all time obviously turbo also is a challenge winner and one of the few people in the world that have W survival more than once so I'd love to see someone actually claim a third title so go turbo is it t turaki what's his last name tabi turabi go yeah let's go turbo Andre Lee says Bingo for us says Walla somebody took out my name we also have Kristoff here in the live saying let's not sleep on Riri who yet again buried her Alliance we've got beefless cow here saying rayment so you know another supporter there but I am worried I thought that was the Kirby Raymond sorry when Ray flipped she went when Raymond flipped Kirby went all right Raymond true I thought it was a chair but yeah you're right yeah it's when he did his own thing

9:35 Who else do we have here in the Life we've got Ferris in the live we've got Mark welcome back Mark always good to have you here gabes in the live says it's taking time because Chris and kuna trying to cheer maky up about aen Tom is smiling a bit yeah Tom just loves it when other people cries you know what can I say especially me don't make me leave again yeah Fury tiger wolf says hello everyone really loving this season can't wait to hear you all break it down yeah listen sneaky steeve he's I feel like he's forgotten sneaky Steve I didn't hear him put in the same amount of effort when sneaky Steve got voted out there was a sneaky Steve song but he didn't cry for sneaky Steve I mean that's because I watched Winnie the Pooh Blood and Honey three times and cocaine beer right So eventually I cheered myself out through all the tears Rachel is sending love your way umle sck saying my dog is howling as well so yeah like listen m is one with the dogs tonight when it comes to that but hey what is what a what a week what a what an absolute cracker of a week we start this week off and you know kuna I've been on the Kirby watch for a while now but sometimes I feel like I come into to the podcast and I'm like I feel like Kirby's

10:55 Playing an exceptional game she's really good at this game she's got good reads and then people have kind of committed to it with me but I feel like I've been the most Pro Kirby on the podcast when it comes to because a lot of the times we've had people saying oh no she's not that great she's making a lot of mistakes but if there was a week that potentially someone had a big week I feel like Kirby right off the rip here in this first episode targeting aen you know like I know mcky would forever like Kirby will forever be a swear in his household but for us neutral fans that have got no skin in the game k how good was it to see Kirby's gameplay and her read because we spoke about the players that had a chance to win the season and she was kind of down the picking order with feris having so many of his soldiers I felt like this was a Curby heavy week and it again showed in my opinion I know ferz is in the podcast and he's probably going to come on and tell me how wrong I was I feel like she was a couple of steps ahead of feris this week in regards to removing aen knowing that would get them closer together and there would be less options for feris not to work with him in the future which to me seemed like it was a great move this week do you agree that Kirby just off the rip making this move on aen what a move and how well did this play out for her this week a th% like for me it was one of those things where like we saw Caroline essentially

12:16 Do the same move Mark is getting too close to someone else there's a wedge Kirby used the word wedge Caroline didn't but took the same thing but it didn't play out like it went the way it probably should have gone and Kirby this instance when she did that it's like you know when the really bad player takes the shot like from the from three-pointer and you go no no oh yes like and it just happened to go in my head I was like that's no don't do that it's too early the margins are too thin you haven't got the numbers solidified that much on the Titans just yet and then Ferris goes great move really solidified us he wants to work even closer I was like what the like that's yeah and the and I think what it what it says to me is that Kirby is a phenomenal social player and she made the read that even if she did take out eileene she could bring Ferris back and it wasn't going to be the toxic end like to that relationship it actually made it stronger whether through desperation because you know by cutting Al out he's literally got no one else left that he can really confide in like that and makes her number one and almost like a relationship of codependence because they're both running out of numbers so they need each other in that instance so it actually worked out really well

13:36 And smart even though at first I was like don't like you can't hurt him again the dude done nothing wrong and he gets backstabbed so much I was I was going to bring that up and Rachel here says kby has the social Charisma to pull it off and throughout this week like I've just been I've been so impressed by Kirby's game throughout this week and how she's managed her social relationships how people outside of her Alliance like a Jaden wants to come and work with her a kitty wants to come and work with her she's bringing in these numbers from the outside and it gives her options in the game potentially extra flexibility to make moves and do things within the game which is great to see just phenomenal I guess social gameplay in a read here Tom you've been very slow to give Kirby praise this season like I feel like you've been the toughest one for Kirby to convince that she is a top tier player even you have to admit after this week seeing how she per form taking out aen at this moment getting herself up the picking order with Ferris she's making some great moves and if we're going to look at a week that potentially could have set her up to win this season this has got to be that week right I mean yes we could talk about that or we could address the fact that Ferris wants me in his Alliance you know he doesn't want sad simps like Mony he wants he wants strong alpha

14:56 Males like Tom obviously that's why gets along so well right Tom oh 100% And Gabe saying Ferris doesn't want to work with Tom because he only target the women that means Ferris is safe you know like as long as he's got a beard that thick I'm not voting him out great way to dodge the question by the way Tom I love your like you would do well in Tribal Council in front of JP the way you def flict thank you Chris and can I say you're looking really handsome today you know all right all right fair enough Mony your opinion did your ass get jealous of the amount of your mouth talks no my ass has had plenty of lately as well let him let Tom go let Tom go like he's just in a good mood tonight he doesn't want to ruin the Vibes you know let him go he doesn't need he doesn't have to be a Kirby fan this week we'll try and turn it into one next week mcky what's your thoughts here like you know is Kirby going to be that person for you if you were to go and play Survivor and they come calling Survivor Rivals is finally on would you want to be opposite Kirby to take her out for doing alen dirty this season is that the season you're hoping for now well yeah I mean I actually posted a meme actually it was the one of where Darth Vader finally gets a soup put on and he does that no Meme and

16:16 In the meme I said you know Kirby and Mark plotting allins downfall and Kirby responded at going Mark with a question mark like you know so there's that rivalry there I'm discrediting Her Moves so yeah I would go Toe to Toe with Kirby easily I would just I Reon I Reon she'll listen I reckon she'll mop the floor with you in every single capacity if you had to go up against the like you're choosing some really top tier legendary players as like your rivals in the game you know so I don't know if I would go up against Kirby I feel like it would be it would go down as well as the song did in the beginning of this you know amazingly but no but on a serious note yeah she's playing really well and I know a while ago we talked about how fous is kind of like Tony you know with like the idols and stuff like that but those you don't know Brendan is yeah Str surviv memes so but I feel like Kirby is like the Kagan Tony like when she pulled this move on E I was expecting F to be like you know I've got an Idol Alex has got an idol Raymond's got this Advantage we're all good to go to officially take

17:36 Out Kirby because she's gone against him so many times when he's tried to work with her like it was very personally she said if she sits next to him she can say I outsmarted Ferris twice in the game so far like I twice his closest person so at some point Ferris will have to take her out I can't see him sitting next to her with her social game and winning at this stage like he has to take her out but just like Kagan Tony like when she took out E I thought that was genuinely a dumb move but with how she was able to bounce back from that and it's still in control it was just magnificent like I was shocked I really was and so yeah she's blowing me away this season but it's kind of a thing was like at the moment you're like w that's such a stupid move but then she fully recovers from it by the next episode it's just yeah it's there's definitely conversations that happen up front here where I think a few people even said here in the live that there probably conversations that were had between the likes off of Ferris and a Kirby prior to this where they said well listen we would work together the wedge is Eileen doesn't trust you don't want to work with you there's clearly certain conversations we didn't here prior to this because he was more than willing to forgive Kirby for this move and work with her where was less forgiving on Alex in the next episode and we'll talk about that a little bit when we get into it but prior to moving on to that let's talk about the auction

18:56 Something fun Tom I'm not going to give you the hard-hitting questions tonight you know you know I feel I feel kind I feel generous so what did you think of the auction did you like the auction were you happy to see it back I mean we get starved of a great auction for most of the US seasons and even this season already Jeff has said the auctions not coming back yeah because apparently it's too hard like the budget restraints of making a chocolate shake it's too hard you know way that's double ice cream I think Shake double ice cream J got a you know a work yeah or the fact that they now can game the system and just leave their money like I feel like some players this season did like I noticed Mark for instance big fan of Survivor didn't actually bid on anything he had all his money so that they would potentially be an item he could bid on probably for an advantage but Australian Survivor has passed like that obstacle a few seasons ago where they'll just add it into an actual reward so you don't know which you have to B on the rewards cuz it's random you don't know which one's going to have an advantage in it and Raymond who I thought made the worst decision for $400 and popcorn ends up getting the biggest Advantage here are you serious the second I saw that popcorn I'm like Advantage right there like I don't know why everyone wasn't bidding on that but I

20:16 Think I'd probably I'd be a bit like Tarzan from One World I know he ended up spending his money on a love letter lame but I would I'd keep the money you know 500 bucks in the bank yes please I F FIS I fail for you brother like when you were telling JP I loved it when he was like JP don't talk to me right now like you I don't even I don't even want to engage this conversation he was it was real for him you know like I bet you like nothing that Kirby did in this game against Ferris hurt as much as JP absolutely backstabbing him in this moment on this auction when he's starving I would have been Furious as well if that is the reward I would have gotten but you know for the smiling assass you need to you need to look after that smile it's all that so you know ultimately I feel like you know I was with feris as well I felt for him because the only thing I heard him say throughout this whole time was I want a steak and that would be me if I'm out there I'm like the thing being a South African like we grow up on like red meat and steak you know so give me steak and potatoes or like some you know good veg with it that is what I would be craving if I'm out there and unfortunately it didn't go the way of Ferris is here and the other really fun part here was JP really

21:36 Taking part Kuna in the auction you know getting Valeria's beer like taking the beer off her and like having a bit of a bite of the pizza like he was getting very friendly I would be I would actually be pissed at jlp like bro like just to go to freaking craft Services your catering truck is around like your tables are around the corner I know they are like leave our food alone man I mean jlp's the best for it but as a player when I just bought $400 worth of popcorn like or you whatever the pizza is like bro don't touch the pizza leave it alone What's one item that you guys would have gone full 500 for if it was up I'm telling you that's $500 for sitting down you know that's like you're keeping it if you if you make me spend that money you got to give me the whole you got to throw everything at me I'm not I'm not easy like Ferris clearly that's your man he's just saying work with you like Tom's just the very like you know he's honestly I feel like Tom's got like this Very Old Man soul inside of him like kids get off my lawn that is just like Tom's Natural like I don't know it's like how you operate hey I love Ferris this

22:56 Bit of ban between long lost friends you know you would understand ah okay got you got you marus says if you watch the voting confessional from Sunday's episode Alex talks about the advantage I won and the Unseen on TV show what Alex won let us from home okay so there was some extra things there so that makes me wonder if there is an advantage that was one and it didn't make the show if it was actually going to get played or you know why we didn't see it I don't follow a lot of the extras on it because normally I catch up on the episodes a little bit later than most have any of you caught this bit here that Mark's talking about no I've been too busy crying Tom yeah no I watched it was it was pretty stock standard like letters from home it wasn't anything special Jaden was really nice because you know he like the whole time you just see him like crying while everyone else is reading their stuff and then he's talking about his mom and it's so wholesome but yeah they don't really like go super deep into anyone's like so stories or anything it was it was pretty run-of-the-mill but I don't know what Mark's referring to like in terms of what he won oh you're a sad s monkey get out of here okay I would the storm for you f what on Earth I'm an actual professional musician Mony you can't write a song to save

24:17 Life how many albums have You released Tom how many recordered albums have You released that's no what's on trial there not's you're mate okay stop play nice play nice yeah what a what a what an auction a few people here did say that they were surprised that not too many people did bid on the pop popcorn because normally advantages or Idols are usually bored in the popcorn or the cookies so clearly I was behind the eight ball not noticing that myself I was going into it pretty you know innocent mind I feel like I feel like it's because I watched the previous auction on Survivor Us in season 45 and it was nothing basically I thought it was going to be in I'm waiting for the advantage to finally be in the py the pal I say pal but yeah I'm waiting for that I was like and that was a bargain by the way I think someone got it for 120 Val got it for 120 bucks something for a chicken f with a beer like come on bro like they let that one go and I swear I think one day the chicken pal is going to have an advantage it's better than popcorn you're probably going to lose like you know you're going to have to be careful how you bite into that chicken Palmer like almost like winner you know losing a tooth in the season to get his Idol H it's parchment instead of the ham there just there's a layer of tomato sauce and melted cheese on parchment yeah

25:37 Well back at Camp you know Ferris is kind he hands out mints to everyone you know it's obviously it's only that much mints you can probably have while you're out on the island the one thing I didn't answer the question the one thing I would probably lose like $500 over I was out there it's just like a good like Aussie breakfast or something like bacon can scrambled egg and like an ice latte like coffee that is my weakness if you give me nice coffee out there I'm like an addict for caffeine and I'm sure my body would be deprived of if I'm out there so that would be the thing I would probably like go all in with my money but yeah moving back to Camp here Raymond's got the advantage first thing I wrote down when I when I heard about the advantage this is not an advantage like if he's going to go up against people who actually play this game strateg and smart there's so many ways for this advantage to not go correctly and I was shocked yeah I was I was just absolutely shocked that it ended up working out for him which you know it's probably a mixture of the acting skills that Ferris and Raymond had in this moment but to me I don't care like I was I was like with Valaria through this I'm like it can't be that easy at least throw one vote on someone else or you know even if you tell your allies about this do you fully trust

26:58 One person like I mean imagine us four in an alliance and the person who's the most like Raymond in between the four of us is Mony right by a country shot he doesn't just look he doesn't just look like good acting skills yeah and he's and he's got a he's got a mind like Raymond for the game right so if Raymond suddenly or maky gets this advantage and comes to us and says I've got the soul vote in the game there's no way in hell I'm letting mcky have the sole vote because he's probably voting me out because he just wants I know straight now it won't work M you just said that and now it's not gonna work yeah maybe said the Double Bluff no I think I think what would have made this Advantage so much more funnier is if he did F out Ferris or Kirby like that's something I was kind of hoping for like I thought that been so funny but oh you're definitely out of Ferris Alliance now Mony I it would just be funny what's wrong with taking the purse someone else because it would be funny he's picking with Kirby tonight he's picking fights with Ferris like when fans was his favorites happen Mony if you're on that beach I'm telling you now they know who to come for first well I'm like the P Piper right I'll be singing and dancing my way through and they'll be following me around as I win's like a poor man Muhammad Ali you know like trying to dodge Bob and weave P

28:18 Par was just followed by rats dude like he just like he us to get kids so calm down hey you know if it helps me win 500,000 helps me win 500,000 all right wait that's really bad I don't mean it like that I just mean like winning got it out for you man I don't know Tom like every single time mate wait Gabe doesn't like me no my gosh I'm curious if M's Raymond and what Chris is feris between Kahuna and myself who's e and who's kobby [Laughter] I mean I would date the out of kahuna so I say Kahuna's e yeah got Filipino I meant Rihanna sorry Rihanna and Kirby I forgot I's already dead by this point oh gosh yeah that would have been something Ferris that would have been something because clearly Ferris and Raymond has this like trust in each other like you have to have massive trust in the person that you're going to basically allow to run the vote you know in the moment and especially after Raymond went rogue on the previous vote to make his own move to do his own vote to me this season has been insane like how people have

29:38 Just accepted that there's this fluidity in the game and we can work with anyone like I think someone put out on Twitter not that long ago may even have been Shannon that said that there is no two people that have voted to give on every sing every single vote now left in the game every single person left in the game at some point have been opposite sides of a vote which to me is insane like that we're even sitting in a position like this in this season corer not one Alliance say remain strong like between two people let alone more than two like that's crazy for the Raymond thing it was such a big like I feel like it's going to be a memorable iconic moment but do you think it was the right because I don't like that the I didn't like it I didn't like the way he did it I don't necessarily TV moment sorry like play on their on their emotions or no well there is that and I think in isolation it's like a really cool thing but it feels weird when we came off of Scott like two weeks ago like in the contrast of it but one good thing I guess that we can say is that like these people passed the test like as far as like you wait for them to pause and someone comes and goes this was what would you do would you be an to someone who's like

30:58 Struggling mentally out on the island or would you actually give them what they want and help them and unfortunately they got you know done for they did they passed the human test which is a good thing for these people like you know it was insane to me it's insane you're playing for half a million dollars one person is quitting but don't want to leave the game but they're mentally out of the game I'm like I'm keeping this person in the game as long as I can there a shield for me let them quit on their own I'm not giving them the easy out by voting them out 100% 100 jury you don't get the jewry you don't get the jewy that Mark called that well I wouldn't announce it to everybody I'd be like yeah I'll give him what he wants and then I just won't vote that way like I'm not giving anybody actually they don't need to know where my votes G I can Reas the reason I didn't like it is as you said he blew up his Alliance the night before right and got out Jaden which is potentially really dangerous except you said came back like for some reason this season no one cares about getting backstabbed they'll come back to you immediately not even like three episodes later so like he backstabs the alliance which could have gone horribly to then only take out Val who is exactly who they wanted the night before anyway like he did all of that which could have been

32:18 Absolutely disastrous the most risky advantage in the game ever just to do exactly what his Alliance wanted the night before he backstabbed them like and also I will I will admit one thing I will admit one thing I'm being like I would never do that but I've also never played the game right so if I've played the game and I've like lived with this person and there's a an element of like this Brotherhood that because it's like I've said few times before like I think very few of us understand that it's almost for them like they're going to like army camp or something and they're bonding on a different level that we can't understand they're starving together relying on each other for body heat in the evening and all that kind of stuff there's clearly like some sort of a bond that happens there that's easy for us to look at the side and say you know I wouldn't because I would like to believe I'd be pretty coldhearted in that moment and say if one person's going to take themselves out of the game that means that I can vote someone else out tonight they quit tomorrow that's two places closer to the end for me that's the analytical part of my mind thinking that way but that's taken the emotion out of it playing with these people having had the Scot situation happened a couple of votes ago which definitely would have played in their mind but that's also where I would have questioned why in that moment jlp didn't treat Raymond the same way he did Scott like he didn't say to him well if why did we vote like if you want to go so there would be a part of me that would have been yeah he knows but I would

33:38 Have been asking myself why is he not treating this the same something doesn't seem right you know what I mean like that's where you have to that's where you have to like see what the producers W In This Moment Like clearly something's at play otherwise why is it two different scenarios here maybe they're just that desperate to keep numbers in the game Anye maybe I'm overthinking this I like Andre Lee's question though he says Chris maky Kahuna and Tom how would you have played Raymond's Advantage we know maky would have played it exactly the same because Raymond and maky is basically the same person right actually I would have done something differently oh really so rebellious of you yeah it's so that I would have you know CU unfortunately not a lot of people feel that so for me a lot of time they tend to laugh at me so I feel like if I tried to pull a like if I was like oh I'm so sick I want to quit the game no one no one would really care but shut up shut up Mony gr the H up we have to listen to him singing at night time at the camp yeah exactly but you know something that I have sort of picked up on is that I'm great at being an apparently and really annoying so I feel like I'll just have to play those cards where it's like people want to vote me up because I'm kind of an ass but people would also want to vote me are you trying to like take Tom's spot

34:59 What for being annoying yeah I thought that's Tom's thing for when he goes on to survive very I feel like there's like I see the whole conversation about Scott right I really do but I feel like there's not many ways to actually play this advantage and I feel like that was probably the best way to do it without really severely damaging no I feel like he damaged himself at the end because of playing the emotional card like I don't think there's anywh Roman gets to the end and gets the respect from the jury from the people that he manipulated in this way I could be he would have he would have had yeah he would have had Ferris respect but Ferris isn't enough to give him the win so I feel like there's a lot of other people who will look at this move as pretty slimy at the end I think I think getting drawing the votes was the best way he could have done it I think the only issue for me is that for it to work Ferris had to do so much heavy lifting to the point where he was able to smile at jlp in the camera and go how about supporting actor you know what I mean like he gets to get credit in fact he probably gets more because Raymond's acting was go Line in the Sand and say nothing for all day you know what I mean like whereas Ferris is like laying the Trap and actually putting

36:19 The acting in he can claim that right and then Raymond can only say I voted for the person they wanted me to vote for anyway way so Ferris can again go I got Raymond to do my vote for me while acting like while doing the most riskiest advantage in the history of Survivor yeah and he did my move for me the person that I wanted out because she was saying I'm a horrible leader and blah like yeah Raymond did all so manys yeah there's so many ways take out like maybe not Kirby because she's on your side you need the numbers but take out Mark or don't pick their pick you know yeah I feel like's some like some people in a moment where this was such a big bombastic move that I think is going to blow back on Raymond at some point if he's lucky enough to get to the end I would want to take him to the end just based off this move to a certain degree because I feel like people will have hurt feelings at the end because of how he did it but for me I think the biggest move was Kirby's once again in that Tribal Council and she is so good at just underplaying her game like she moves in the shadows and the fact that she even like how she tried to sneak her immunity her individual immunity idol over to or necklace I should say to Cur to re in the game

37:39 I thought was amazing to be honest we've got some background noise from someone I'm not sure who that is I think that was me I think there we go no you're all good so yeah so even just the fact that she took the necklace off and gave it to R and you know JP had to Spot It she didn't make a lot of people would feel like they need to announce their moves is what I'm trying to say Kirby is not announcing her moves but I tell you what she is like making a note of every little thing that she's doing in this game and if she gets to a final with her social game and the moves that she's making like keeping re safe in this moment because the right move for Ray would have been to take out someone like R who's a challenge Beast someone that's very close to Kirby it would draw Kirby and even closer with them moving forward in the game I thought it was a great move Tom once again and I'm coming back to you for the Kirby one here and this time you're going to have to answer it mate you can't Dodge it again have you lost weight Chris like you're looking so good right now I'm glad you noticed you I've been lifting a lot yeah also Ferris said apparently Raymond's in the chat I don't know if guanto Ray is actually Ray but like if so oh he was an okay move I would have been such a great [Laughter]

39:01 Name talking yeah no no Ray we're holding him accountable this time he keeps dodging every time I talk about Kirby's game I cannot get a clear answer from Tom again like I said Kirby playing some I feel like she played a good game in the in the shadows here and she had all the knowledge at this moment as well I actually thought yeah Kirby played a really great round this week I think she was the best player this week but honestly Chris the way the way you talk about Kirby is a bit more heart ey emojis than mcky talks about e that's all I'm saying really listen is kby is a good-looking woman so I mean what can I say you know but it's her charm it's the smile it's the Triple C colletive approach I know I've got no chance I know mate you know but you like I game admir game is what I'm going to say I feel like she's playing a good game and the reason that I'm that I'm coming up for is because Ferris is getting a lot of love rightfully so because he's an entertaining character he's good at the confessionals he brings a lot to the show and without someone like a ferris without someone like a mark who's been very entertaining characters to watch the season the season would fall flat there's been times where Kirby isn't necessarily the showman or the showwoman

40:22 That they are but she's doing a lot behind the scenes so I feel like it should be called out and recognize when it's happening kuna yeah I mean the weird thing is right like I'm going to make an awkward comparison and it's not based on personality type but just effect on the game is someone that you me we mentioned before in your favorite is Tony from Kagan is that she's a firsttime player that is absolutely swinging for the fences and sometimes maybe ill advised sometimes a little bit too early on pulling the trigger here and it's like going oh you probably could have been safer here but she's riding the edge of like sanity in a game kind of like Tony did but she's just not crazy right she's not out there and the personality doesn't match but the game is very like bombastic and sometimes crazy sometimes missing but it is entertaining the whole way and kind of at the moment dominating a bit you know what I mean like it's really fascinating to watch yeah I think it's amazing like to see played this game knowing or I could be wrong here but I don't believe she was the biggest fan coming into the game so she also had to learn the game like even when you say you don't respect some of her moves in the game I feel like the only real illogical move maybe was at the beginning of the game when she

41:42 Changed her vote without telling anybody when she orchestrated the vote but then since then it's so long ago she I don't think she's done much wrong since then in fact she's had a lot of like obstacles to overcome losing like you know chaos Kelly early on who didn't want to continue to be an alliance member then losing someone like Scott in the game which I think weakened her dramatically in the game like she's had some obstacles to work with throughout this time as well fah says I think we're all in all with Kirby some of us just lie to ourselves yeah tell them for us tell them for us I feel like some people are like you know like making it out like I'm the only Fanboy here but game's got to recognized game Rachel saying Master off The Whispers Mark bringing Titans back from the brink and literally literal Whispers in the R's ear at tribal we kind of skipped over a little bit of obviously you know the move was made against eile she's out of the game but then at that point what did we think and it's so it's so weird talking about ferr is's game while he's in the life so feris again like you know it's all love I just want to understand what happened between Alex and Ferris because he goes in this conversation straight afterwards there's this new water well talk that is happening is not a part of it and the way that the conversation happens at the end when Alex comes to Ferris and he's like you know you kind of

43:02 Left me hanging bro and he's like your feelings doesn't matter it's kind of like how it came across on the edit it kind of made Alex go in a different direction to me how that all happened it I feel like there's some flaws in this game Tom there when you're looking at someone like feris losing someone like Alex who he's invested so much time until he even helped him find an idol and he kind of allows for Alex to go off to the other side here with Titans like are we missing some conversations did were you able to keep on top of what was happening here because it felt like he lost a valuable number at this stage in the game yeah I think there were some conversations not shown because Alex has had a bit of a Dodo edit the entire season so it makes perfect sense like it makes perfect sense why they would show him flipping just because he wasn't in one conversation because that makes him look like more of a Dodo so I definitely think yeah and I think Ferris is trying to hint yeah there's definitely some more Reas so we can only comment we can only comment on the edit on the edit on the edit it looked strange to us like we're like why did this happen why was he so standoffish and even the argument here at Tribal Council where Alex was saying you know your ass must be jealous of your mouth because of all the that you're talking you know like even this whole conversation between

44:24 Floter both I love kby like I've said a few times and Ferris but it felt harsh on Alex like I don't understand why and this is where on the podcast Ferris will be able to explain this to us why Alex's game was seen as different as theirs when he was looking at options in the game you know I mean I think the ass comment has been misinterpreted Ferris has a very great smile and I haven't seen many good ass shots of his so maybe Alex was just implying that he's got a better face than a better than ass you know like his ass is jealous because smile so I think I think that's what he meant you know jealous what I'm jealous of with Ferris is like I feel like Ferris needs to let us know do they have like razors or something on the on the show CU like he's got no neck hair at all like it seems perfectly like he's gone to a barber and he's keeping that beard in shape like it's how does he like he needs to tell us when he comes on the podcast what is his island secret because if I'm going out there I'm going to have to neck hair and everything like it's going to be scruffy I'm a charm what it's just natural FZ man yeah FZ has got a naturally good beard man I'm jealous of that beard I think you can only have so much hair on your body like it all just concentrates here and nowhere else you know yeah you know what I'm talking

45:44 About like do they get razors out there to like keep the beard in shap yeah you heard here first I've Got a Theory if you guys would like to hear it all right go for it all right awesome so kind of throughout the season there's always been a bit of a tension between Ferris and Alex right they on opposing sides at the start you know Alex you know kind of feris with his pants down with the crate and the idol right and then one point Ferris wanted Alex gone but then Alex was in working with Ferris and then during the tribe stop Ferris tried to help Alex find the idol but you he seemed quite frustrated to do so I think Ferris is just really jealous of Alex's Budgy Smugglers how tight and pink they are jeez yeah and I think FIS wants Alex gone so then he can stride around I mean he's only human exactly yeah with the Budgy Smugglers the challenge where they had to hang upside down that was dangerous I thought something was going to happen with Alex you know like he might have to pull out of the challenge cuz something might pull out of his pants you know and like jeez Louise poor they would have blurred it they would have blurred it like it would be forever engraved in everybody else's

47:04 Mind who are out there but I'm sure we would have been saved but what do you do yeah sorry my line like when you talking about the Alex how quickly he turned on him like I was Ferris in that moment when he goes what are you my wife like just like it was just so needy and I'm like dude chill like I gave you an idol we've done it we're here like we've got this now you just don't panic don't freak out and it sucks that like someone I would feel like so frustrated that someone that you know like Tom said he's getting a bit of a Dodo edit but I can tell from Alex knows the game right he's a fan of it he's a teacher he's smart enough to just be like man like why do I have to hold your hand to the point of like it would have been so frustrating just chill we got this look at the look around you look at the numbers and then we're cruising like he's top three top four probably top three because he's not you know first one's probably turn on Kirby at some point right yeah no good points race here I do want to talk a little bit about the person who actually got voted out in this episode because we had a long someone asked if earlier on if m is in morning yes he is and morning that's why he's sitting there in all black with the candles for aen and we

48:24 Spoke about if you do want to listen to the song at the beginning rewind back to the beginning of the podcast we definitely won't be doing it again we definitely won't be doing it again but you can you can go listen to that it's forever all I got to say Chris is that you before we were in live you were saying no people are going to drop out but we've actually doubled the amount of people that were watching since the start so you are welcome they waited that finish so that then they can join no heard I was doing it and then they went on yeah see even Rachel thank you like M sometimes you know like we're those friends for Mony that just tells them the truth and sometimes you got to hear it like you know from fellow friends like yourself Rachel let them know we don't want to rewind to that but I was going to go in a direction here with Jaden you know obviously Jaden ended up getting voted out in the second episode here for the week prior to that he got wind of the fact that he was going to get targeted because KY started leaking information again phenomenal gameplay by Kirby to pull her in to a point where Kirby felt like she could work with Kitty in the game and kitty felt comfortable enough which again shows that social game for me like they never really work prior to this but you know jadden finds out that he's being targeted and we saw

49:44 Kuna a little bit of Jaden's spicy side here with Caroline getting really upset about things at Camp you know like we've s we've seen like definitely Caroline's No Angel herself like she's constant been sort of you know the one that would do all the cooking and you know kind of would dictate how many how much portion of food everybody gets and stuff but a very rare food fight you know over the food here on Australian Survivor a little bit of spiciness we don't get to see these things on Survivor us and I feel like this is the stuff that really makes them sort of almost like human to us you know it's like we can relate like having a fight you know if someone if someone took M's last chalky milk you know it'd be a similar situation I would off it would be a bloodbath yeah they would be dead like they're not making it to tribal they going be you know face down in the ocean all right Sasquatch Unleashed yeah I last week last week we talked about Jaden's reaction to online and then I ALS like and the fact that he took the revenge on Eden for winner and I'm like I said it as a joke but Jaden really is he's just a sens II Soul isn't he for a big dude he like and I think he was in his own head about hearing his name for the first time and you know people have said like I know

51:04 Former survivors have said like once you like Eden said it once you hear your name come up like kind of logic goes out the window and he kind of got in his feelings a little bit and took it out on Caroline so yeah my boy jayen I love him but he's a sensitive lad which I kind of love like he's not all just muscles you know he's got feelings in that big heart of his so and they were hurt by the fact that I don't think he was hurt by Caroline too much to be honest with you if someone said Lord Jaden generally he'd probably just be like he sh like he laugh it off whatever but I think it was the fact that he heard his name as the as the potential vote and he can't get angry at that because you're not supposed to know so what can I get angry at Lord Jaden like you know a little joke and poor Caroline just playing the social game so poorly a lot of the times with jacket gate she had the food thing with Jaden earlier in the season but he's a lot hungrier now yeah and he's been out there a lot longer so it didn't fly as good yeah I actually don't think it had anything to do with like the vote I think like you know both Jaden and I we have great taste and we both don't like Caroline I mean like so I think so badly want to get Caroline on the podcast like Ferris or Mark if anybody is still here and listening to the podcast can you reach out to Caroline

52:24 We need to Caroline on the podcast so Tom can face her at some point because he's been talking mad smack this whole season and the nicest lady outside of the game so I've got a question for Tom actually yeah what who do you hate more Tarara or Caroline Tara by a landslide she's hopeless no but I was say I actually think Gabe's Caroline honestly although I don't know I didn't think Caroline is a Pokemon fan so that's a bit of a curveball no what I was going to say is like when I lived in Samoa for a little bit and what I learned is like if you don't want to disrespect like a Samo like I think I think he genuinely felt disrespected by Caroline when he's like clearly the provider he was talking about earlier in the episode that he provides for the tribe and I don't think Caroline does like a whole lot within that aspect of the camp I mean she yells at people for putting on jackets that don't even belong to her but other than that I don't know what she's good for but yeah so like if there's someone that I didn't really like at camp like critiquing me for the work that I'm doing that they're doing literally nothing like I'd probably be a bit Snappy and like you know like I think the Lord Jaden thing was definitely like sarcastic I don't think

53:44 Caroline's a jokey person from what we've seen in the edit like yeah so yeah on a on a serious note I know I threw Caroline like I'd love to have a chat with her but I feel like Caroline I feel like Caroline would probably be one of those people that would completely shut off from social media like she probably wouldn't want to follow it because Australian Survivor if there's one thing Australian Survivor casual fans are not good at it is when there are like women on the show that maybe have made some moves that have played pretty good we saw this with Sam Gash a couple of seasons ago people just go after them like online and it's a lot of the times it's like other women attacking like these women as well like I don't I don't know what it says about Tom but I feel like that's probably a reason why a lot of Australian Survivor players don't engage as much with the Casual fandom as well because there's like sometimes a lot of hatred out there we've got to remember this is a game that they're playing they're deprived of so many things while they're out there food their normal like Comforts like I think things get pretty tribal at some point in the game and I personally have enjoyed Caroline I've said this before I like a good villain story but it's broken my heart con to see Kitty and Caroline this week broken up like you know like because they've been like that do

55:04 That have been together since the beginning and you know Kitty being like Oh you know I don't really have a strategic mind for this game but at some point I'm going to have to make a move and you know we're GNA have to be friends forever prior to backstabbing her good friend Caroline in the game it is pretty heartbreaking because it's also one of those things again it's one of those you're like who betrayal it's so cool and then you go why though because like turning on Caroline specifically I guess because if she's a Lifeline she survives another vote one vote like if you're doing that just one more day one more vote as long as I then maybe I can flip something if you can guarantee that you're not at the bottom because Kirby's giving you that Grace then maybe but it's so like what's going to happen next you're at the bottom of that Alliance so like that's always the thing right if you flip from the bottom of one like Alex then you're at the bottom of the next like there's no un like you need to make another move to where I feel like I don't know what happened with Caroline where I feel like post merge she was really kind of in control there was clearly four players in the game with Ferris Kirby Mark and Caroline on the other side but I feel like Caroline's really kind of bringing mark back in and then being overridden Caroline made the move with

56:25 Made that relationship there could have done something pretty spectacular like that people weren't seeing they and it only lasted one vote brought back Mark and she's really lost her power in her voice to the point where Kitty even turned on her which is just crazy like for running the middle-aged Mafia kind of like she got a lot of play there made some good moves I thought and then it all just came coming down very quickly and I don't know why yeah no I think I think good I think she's a good player and I think things have obviously sayri madeit made with via voting VI she did and things went wrong but you know again tomato it's so hard man you got I almost want to say tomato like it's so hard you make one wrong move at the wrong time like Survivor is an element of skill and luck and the one thing I do appreciate about Caroline is that at least she's been the sort of she's been in control of her own destiny in the game like she's been trying to make move she's been try to be strategic about it a lot of other players like a Jaden there's no stabs a Jaden because Jaden can also come on the podcast and tell us how wrong we are if he wants to anybody is welcome like we're happy to face any of the criticism that you know we call players out we are not players we know that we're not out there but we watched and edit a show the way he was perceived as someone that

57:45 Wasn't actively involved in the game and sort of just tried to latch on to votes even in this last moment when Kirby told them to vote for aen he was Broad in last minute and just happy to do whatever to get his game that one step further so I do think there's some good in Caroline's game and Christof says don't know what you're talking about I think she's playing well all the women tend to leave the game early it's so refreshing to see someone like Caroline and Kirby being late in the game still and still actively being in the season and then Ari says all the ones who last longer being pigeon hold as the mom and then Jonathan Grace says Pier God death threats as well Rachel says Caroline saw Viola coming she needed to St first I thinkk could have I think Mark could have kept Viola in check but maybe not maybe I am overestimating Mark's ability to keep her in check there but M I wanted to come to you in any case mate I wanted to talk to you about something else while we're on this topic because I don't want to forget about this was there and I know you're the one that you see the moves upon the moves upon the moves you know like you're always thinking how can I make a better move than the obvious that's why you thought you could do better than Raymond when it comes to this Advantage you know this move here where K ends up not Kirby sorry Kitty ends up going over to Kirby gets the information of where the votes are going to go what the best move in this scenario not have been to go back to her Alliance

59:06 And tell Alex who to play the idol on from the start so that she can remain with her numbers why did she not look at that as a potential option in the game well I mean this actually perfectly ties into what I was just about to say where I think Caroline taking out Viola that was not a bad move where things went wrong was when after they vote at winner she went back to Mark and Bell right I think that's when she lost so much power and so much agency in the game and so I think once again with Caroline well with Kitty she could have gone back to her Alliance and been like hey Alex has got a public Idol let's make this work then we're in the majority five to four but like once again like she doesn't make that move and maybe it's because Kitty's not a super fan I'm not sure but I just feel with Carolina and kitty I feel like they get set up for a great opportunity but then they take the wrong turn if that makes sense and which like cancels out the agency and their voice which really sucks to see but like they just keep making those mistakes right to the point where if we had to win a rankings they're at the bottom with Rihanna for me at the moment just in terms of game because I don't think anyone would really respect their game since they keep on like taking the

1:00:26 Wrong turns everywhere so yeah I do agree that the kitty should have gone and told Alex with his public Idol here's who they're actually voting for I mean thankfully it still worked out with rayan flipping which is great but yeah no as I said ran Roman's in the chat still here Roman says you need to realize that at this point we have all been out there for 30 plus days and whether or not you want to admit it there is a level of self- sabotage out there along with the and exhaus and then Ray say in regards getting angry about jackets or feeling like you are being belittled and all that so yeah like we fully we fully appreciate it and like at the end of the day I'm sure Ray you were fan prior to going out there I remember in the in the intro package you had like all the old seasons and things like that was it him or was it Iden am I getting it confused but I'm pretty sure Ray would have been a fan yeah Ray so he'll understand the length that we're watching the show for through is like an edited version and we're seeing certain things obviously that the producers want us to see and we're just commenting about that but you know always we always appreciate there's so much more going on behind the scenes than what we can even sometimes see but it's fun to hypothesize what would we have done in that moment we have taken another move but

1:01:46 If we were out there Tom completely different game right like I feel like it'd be it' be pretty tough and like we can be critical as fans sometimes but I feel like on this podcast because we try and look at all the different angles I know you're probably the most critical out of all of us well I just love to talk it's so much fun and also Raymond can I say you're my favorite player this season I mean maybe it would have been Garrick if you know Dad I could have snuggled him all the way to the end but he's gone now so Raymond you're my number one and I love I love your unbelievably harsh move to manipulate people by I love that's the kind of thing I want to do out there like I want oh that be so what oh Ferris you're my second favorite baby come back he's you know feris what he is he's a classic Alex he's a floater he goes the last person all the men the last person who comments he floats to them basically on this podcast this is what I feel like Kuno who's your who's your person who are you standing for at the moment see it I mean we said episode one Ferris and I still love his edit but I'm so worried because like he's been betray so much and it's like it's one of those things where if you look at

1:03:06 Someone's game and you go you know when you're driving and you go I'm a very good driver and I haven't made a wrong move ever but I can't help other people on the road right and I feel like that's fair thing at the moment is that he's making all the he hasn't stepped foot wrong himself necessarily but it's so crazy around him that he just keeps getting backstabbed when it doesn't make sense to backstab so I obviously I want I want him to win because he's been that from the start but Kirby is looking very strong at the moment man like Kirby's game and what she can stand on and call out and pick apart in others games she's even got like she's got op info like she can use against Ferris as well like she's got things over him at the moment as well you know so it's going to be interesting run home yeah Mark says Tom come and join the Yucatan pack what does Yucatan mean Mark please tell us well listen if we're lucky we'll get mark on the podcast at some point and you can ask him in person what yukatan means for say sorry guys I can't be Ser can't be serious watching maky right now M yeah like listen yeah it's just a standard yeah I'm sorry but maybe if I just did that my thoughts we're definitely getting demonetized

1:04:26 On this podcast so like if we can i' would love to talk about Jaden's magnificence of holding the vote upside down I thought it was amazing that was great okay yeah it was fantastic talking about some of the challenges we mentioned the Rope challenge earlier on which was a great one to see right very to pull off like can imagine wise how much that would have hurt like Alex being up there as long as he was against re that was pretty impressive to see again Kahuna I know you're someone similar to myself we because we watch both shows it's hard not to compare Survivor us to Australian Survivor we've only seen one episode so far this season so much can still come but you know one of the things I really appreciate about the Australian season is how they're modifying even well-known challenges like we had that one with to move back and forward with the Rope it had that little round circle with like the four different sort of arms coming out and they had to like stack the blocks on it and things like that which again is like an altercate or like a like a slight I guess modification from what we've seen in traditional Survivor Seasons showing us that when we look at Survivor us and we're like kind on them and we say like ah they're on an island there's only that much resources

1:05:46 How much can they really do no they're just lacking a lot of creativity that the Australian Survivor season is bringing up with all these new challenges that we've never seen like the Rope challenge like the little modification on the Challenge to stack the blocks on the top of each other when they're moving back and forward the one with the little like even that they had with the circles and the Maze where they had to do the live transition from one to the other to get to the bottom it's just keeps me interested like a lot of the times on Survivor us I fast forward through some of these challenges but I don't find myself fast forwarding through challenges on Australian Survivor like I can see some of the ones that are remixes of traditional ones yeah like you're always innovating and Survivor us does do to a certain extent it's the same why we get a board of it is because it's the same pattern with different colors it's like obstacle puzzle and the puzzle's purple this time and you stack it vertically instead of horizontally but it's still the same thing right this is yes but it's not trying to be something different we jlp says this is an older challenge that is the hardest it's ever been it's got five times on it that you have to do twice two levels up like yeah it's not trying to be look how original and creative we are when we just do the same thing over and over again where survivor really extends is that or really sort of surpasses

1:07:07 The US is that they're willing to push the person as well not just rely on the challenge itself because there's so much limitations to that and the Rope one like you said it's literally just a rope hanging but the challenge is we're going to torture you for an hour plus and see how much will power and fortitude you actually have and they do things with less like there was the one a couple weeks ago which was just a pyramid where they stand on the side of the pyramid right like that's not that hard that's not big Logistics that's not big budget but it's just endurance and pain and how much have you got in the tank and that makes a big difference man it's huge yeah I've been loving it I think that you know anytime you see someone push them Beyond push themselves beyond their limits that makes for entertaining team and then the fact that they're modifying it I mean even on this rope challenge going to one hand and then having to switch again from the other hand like those little things that they do I thought it was brilliantly done it was a great week for challenges ultimately you know we do see in this second episode like we say here Raymond gets the ultimate vote and he takes out Valeria who in his mind was his biggest threat in the game like I'm finding it hard to believe that Valeria was going to win this season based on the edit we've seen she seemed to be pretty Cutthroat in her comments and pretty direct

1:08:27 Mcky do you think that Ray and again Ray I know you're in the live here you could definitely come and fison in regards to what your thoughts were and why she had to go in this moment do you feel like that was the move to make here in this round for Ray to take Valeria out in the game or did he miss an opportunity here to take someone out like a mark who you know very impressive this episode went from being the one who gred to get back in with the Titans now being in the opposite side and talking to KY about potentially allowing her back in the alliance which was such a bizarre moment to see the roles revers between the two of them in the game when not that long ago Mark was trying to get back in the good races with the Titans you know for trying to go against Caroline you know did he ultimately make the right move here was there a better move to be made no I mean I'm personally happy with the move because I haven't been that big a fan of Val like since the premerge and you know all you guys been high on her like Twitter and social media's been high on her so I'm just happy that all the Eder and all that sort of try hards finally loses out on something you know and like there's even that shot at the end of the pre shot fir at the fans's coming for you exactly you guys suck but even at the end of the pre merge when they did the promo for the merge it's like and who will be Soul

1:09:47 Survivor and it's just a still shot of Val right and it's like no that's way too obvious yes and huh that's the interpretation oh Mony hates women wow that's disgusting hey Tom be original man that's your title I ain't gonna take it from you no but benways I do think this was a good move though because in a weird way a lot of the season has been you take out the what was going to say yeah you take out like the rightand person or the leftand person right depends right withth and you know that's how like e went you know Rihanna's been tar for that reason Garrick was targeted for that reason as well and so I think it's perfect taking up Val because in a weird way you still have Mark Kirby and ferus three massive players in the final a and I think if you're Raymond I know you guys said how could you trust Raymond after this I feel like people are going to need Raymond as a number to try and take out these big players because to Def coming to crunch time like you got to get rid of them before like the final five or so right so and if you think about it yeah so then you because if

1:11:07 You do it now they're still like so let's say you take out Mark right you still got Ferris and Kirby right so those are the next two players out and presumably it's going be non-elimination next week right so potentially one of them could even come back in the game but once they're gone you're back on the bottom right because you still got the target of I emotionally manipulate everyone so then I can play this awesome advantage and so I think you got to keep leaving these bigger players in because at some point them the value of that risk and the and the consequences that you're talking about of having to deal with the backlash of the social consequences of that needs to have a bigger payoff for me like he took so much risk and he worked so hard and worked his ass off for Val which I don't think is a big enough prize for the work that he put in yeah but will he will he potentially come back in a future season of big moves because he a move that now is recognized you know big is what I'm saying like if it's for his P padding his resume like why not make it pad your resume why not make it bigger you know like he did all the right things I think he just could have aimed a bit bigger yeah like I do want to say why I like the move and before that I just

1:12:27 Like to point out I love how Gabe has the receipts on Tom and his winner pick here well done game keep Gabe keep him honest keep him honest but why I actually do like it is kind of I think what Rachel said here comes to mind she said Mark has lost all four his limbs now Viola winner and Val so if you think about Val and if you think about Mark who's the most likely and open-minded person that will possibly still work with you in the game out of Mark and probably Mark not Val seems to be someone that would hold grudges a lot longer so by removing Val in the game you now have kitty and Caroline who no longer trust each other you've got Mark who's already got issues with Caroline as well so you kind of have three Titans there that all kind of to a certain degree don't fully trust each other and want to work together and you left the one person in the game that's probably more susceptible to actually having a conversation with you and potentially working with you in the future so thinking about the move it probably was the right move to take Val out not because she was a threat to win but the way that the social Dynamic sort of played out between the four of them she was kind of the glue that kind of kept them together to a certain degree still Mark's the glue imagine if Mark was gone Val with Carolina Kitty who's up for grabs then yeah but I think what Raymond is looking for is options I think Raymond is looking for options outside of the ferris Kirby group where he knows he doesn't have the power

1:13:47 I feel like that's what's probably going on in his mind and that Mark would still to a certain degree work with him I don't know if Val would do that but I could be wrong but I feel like that must have been the angle in my mindick coming out here saying Mark over what moves can actually clim at the end geez Mark may make bigger may make bigger blowback I think Mark started off really strong and then he tried to make moves and the thing about Marcus he's got a great Instinct for the game in and the way that he wanted to make these moves but unfortunately there's been times where people just haven't come to play they just haven't been there like you need numbers in the game so but you're right like definitely things have been going wrong for him for a while now in the game like it's not like he's been in control of his own fake in this game the Jaden the Jayden vote out was a good was a great like pulling in Ray was a huge move like I don't know how he like they've been out there for freaking 30 days or whatever and he says three words to him in his ear and he managed to do this Monumental flip which changed it all around and was almost going to force a rocks just by Whispering his ear like it impressive the reason he did that was because Alex passed the information on about Ray being open

1:15:08 To a move but Alex didn't know how to utilize it so he actually took that information and turned it into something that actually moved the vote so it's a good call out Kahuna that's one of those things that if Mark did get to the end he could definitely call out Tomy look like you want to say something I know it's a bit off topic but I'm just thinking about like well I'm thinking about if I was Ray you know if I had bleach blonde hair and everything and I'm in the final eight and I'm trying to look at my path to the end with a winning I suppose a like a winning jury setup and everything and obviously like Ray has not been shown as a challenge Beast so I'm just thinking yeah like if it was me I'd be thinking I don't want to take Rihanna to the end because even though she's an easy beat she's also definitely winning that final challenge yeah so then so I know I don't have power in that final vote but for Ray for example like I don't think he would beat many people that final endurance challenge you're still my favorite Ray I love you but just I'm just facing facts here so do you reckon like his best bet is to try and get Rey in the final three with him alongside maybe probably Kitty everyone s of just laughs about how kitty lie and everything I don't think anyone really looks at her as like a big player

1:16:28 Either her or maybe Caroline even though Caroline's made lots of big moves I also people talk about her as an emotional player like they sort of talk negatively about her so I'm just thinking like well I just want to put it out there like if Raz allons currently is like that you're right at some point I feel like Kirby and again this just shows where Kirby is ahead I feel like of a lot of people in the game right now she's keeping close she's giving re the necklace that again re's that kind of person that will stay loyal to Kirby if re gets into a final three with Ferris and Kirby she's winning that final she's taking Kirby to the end and Kirby's winning the game that's how I see the final three play out in that scenario so kby is doing the right thing unless V wrong re might write down the wrong name and then it go I don't think I don't think at that moment you well let me just finish my thought here M so the one thing I wanted to say so you're saying Raymond can't win it but if Raymond Kirby and Ferris ends up in that final endurance challenge who wins it because Ferris hasn't really won any endurance challenges at this stage either Kirby I don't know if she's going to be the greatest in endurance challenges I feel like Raymond could have a chance in that scenario like who knows who between the three of them would win such a scenario but then he can only vote out one of them and he has to go to the end with another one like I think Raymond

1:17:48 If he has if he pitches right he actually has a good argument so far at least at least like but the problem is I still think Ferris Kirby and potentially Mark all beat him I think he could beat everyone else at this point in time if he pitches well at the end is that fair yeah I agree let's see what Ray saying here just I think anyone that to any of those three yeah so Ray says here there's many micro reasons as to why Val was the best option if the move actually work which I didn't think it would like I think you were probably just as shocked as all of us when they actually all voted for you like so like Ray said there is an element of self- sabotage there like if it works awesome I'm going to go down in history as someone who made a big move with a big Advantage otherwise I'm going home and you know I'm eating pizza like you know I don't have to starve out here anymore maky you've been dying to jump in on the conversation what words of wisdom do you have for us well I've actually got two things to say actually the first one being do we know if it's a final two or final three this season cuz I feel like they could actually heavily impact for endgame if it's a final three should because I think

1:19:09 You the three what about you co and Chris do you guys think final two or final three I have not done the calculations to be honest with you yeah I've Haven done the calculations when did they start on the jury how many people were left they had 11 people yeah so if there's three it'll make it nine which means a possible tie there'll be eight plus three 11 right eight sorry yeah sorry it's late yeah so hey so I guess it's possible yeah with a potential tie being there the tie Breer being the person who gets third place so yeah it's possible I haven't stayed awake at night wondering if it's going to be a final three or final two it would be interesting to know if they in the beginning of the season explain what format it's going to be or if they tell them it could be either or you know yeah CU I know with Heroes versus Villains like Matt especially he played specifically thinking it was going to be a final two yeah and then it was final three and he knew he was that's on him ex this is Australian Survivor where you could get an advantage like Ray got this week that gives one person all the power at Tribal Council like so you cannot play your game for a final two or a final three and expect to get you know like it's not going to work I do want to Quick bring this up there about Rihanna

1:20:30 And her voting right so like you know when she voted Mark the first time right you know when Sarah went out right you know going against all logic stuff yeah that bit stupid when she voted for I think it was Mark again when a winner went out it's like she pretty much got played into that spot right and when she voted for I think it was th L time when jadden went I feel like she didn't actually do anything wrong because when you see The Whispers she's sitting right in the middle and she's not looking to his side so she can't see that people she did something wrong yeah she did something wrong so I actually do feel quite bad for Rihanna in that spot it's like I thought I thought she's been playing a really good game so far to be honest yes she's not in on all of the last minute Chats on the votes one or two votes have gone wrong but she's been winning all of the individual immunity challenges and she had the right read this last episode to not trust Raymond like you know like the right thing is to be hey Kirby I'm your number one we've just taken out Ferris as number one Raymond now could work with Ferris to take me out and weaken me in the game like I thought all of that was a healthy level of paranoia that she had in the game so I don't think she's like overly bad I don't think anybody has she's just inin like invisible when it comes to like the strategy side of it and it's

1:21:50 Maybe not because she doesn't have a mind for it's just the edit is not showing us any of those conversations and I think it's not showing us those conversations for a reason I don't see re having a chance of actually winning the season at the end unfortunately sh is it Shia says Mark in Brackets love year isn't a challenge threat for immunity whereas Val is so one of the reasons that probably yeah was taken out Gabe says Australia Survivor likes to keep players guessing and says play for final three and if it comes to adapt to the situation gab also said if re gets remembered for anything in Survivor it's cooking votes voters worse than Cara and brains versus Brawn I really don't blame her like I think even that vote like you could see Ferris and Kirby talking to each other if it's the vote that we were talking about but no one actually spoke to re prior to the vot exactly so how she supposed shout out to production for placing them where they place them like even in episode 17 by putting Raymond next to Mark knowing that Raymond was open to things like production sits them where they sit them right like it's very specific order and separating them out that way just set it up so perfectly and even in that one if ranan was next to Kirby that doesn't happen you know what I mean like

1:23:10 It's by yeah did she say because it looked like it some people say that she was just saying relax yeah she I don't think she was like have to watch I've watched the once but I don't feel like she was right next to I don't feel like in that trouble I feel like she was in the middle in that Tribal Council and Kirby was on one side Ferris was on one side like from my from my memory but I mean listen I'm not going to I watched the just once I didn't watch it twice I'm not too sure Rachel says sorry I meant to type Tom when I said tin who Raymond can sit next to at the endend I was wondering who Tina was yeah I was like I must have missed the comment here somewhere season two winner all right so I feel like we've spoken about pretty much all of the highlights here for this week let's finish it off around the room here talk about who we think is going to be the person that most likely is winning the season based off current placement I'll start it off this time I normally get you guys to start it off it's going to be no surprises for anyone here I can't remember who I said last week I may have already said this person but I feel like Kirby I've been on Kirby for a while in regards to her gameplay I just think Kirby this season we're seeing her game for a reason strategically she seems to be two or three steps ahead of everybody

1:24:30 At all times what she's envisioning is happening with her and Ferris getting closer taking out Ferris as an alliance member this is the second time she's had one over Ferris I feel like Ferris is the bogey edit that is throwing us off we all think Ferris is going to be the winner but he's really the narrator of this season and he's the big character which is a lot of fun to root for in the game but Kirby even though she is sort of underplaying a lot of what she's doing if she gets her bum on that final Tribal Council seat people love Kirby and I think that at the end of the day Survivor is a social game like if you're making those connections with people are willing to come in and play with you from other alliances like Kirby did like Jaden did like she constantly finds a way even pre the merch she was the one who got the likes of a Valeria a winner and a Charles on her side she if she gets to an end she's going to be very difficult to beat in this game so my eyes completely at this stage is on Kirby I think she's got a very good shot in the game Kahuna I'm going to go over to you I feel like you may second my nomination because you've also been very high on Kirby this podcast yeah unfortunately I'm not going to be the you know the controversial or the TNT take here I'm going Kirby as well I think it's remarkable that like I feel I feel like it was only

1:25:50 Last week's podcast maybe the week before where we were going it feels wide open there's lots of people in there's lots of big and then now I'm like there's maybe two and a half like three if like Caroline is out of the running for me it's Kirby it's Ferris it's maybe Mark and Mark is looking less and less likely as opposed to two weeks ago as well I feel like maybe on the topic we brought up last week as well if it does get to a final three I didn't think Kirby would want to sit next to Ferris but now I'm like go with him because we've seen her have that social game that you're talking about Chris and I don't want to get controversial now but we mentioned it last week if they're in a final thing who are they going to go like who are they going to vote with the person they've all been flocking towards the indigenous woman or the Arabian Prince that is dodgy and car salesman and but like what will his SP final speech come across like to people that have already calling him untrustworthy you know what I mean it will it will come off is very I just think Kirby's got a couple of things that she can bring up where she can say actually I was ahead of Ferris I took his options away in the game every single time that we went head-to-head he wanted to work with the Titans pre merge I dragged them and they worked with me he wanted his right at man

1:27:11 Garrick there I took him out we got to the merge once again I took out a person that he wanted to work with and aen again brought him in so I feel like she could like nullify a lot of his game to so The Narrative of like last week my thing on Kirby was I feel like she took some hits this week like she didn't win last week like she lost with Scott leaving voting Kelly out she really lost the numbers R was on the other side and she had to like flip to working with a valent winner and that sort of thing and she was on the back ropes she sat quietly she didn't play out of it too hard and then when she got a shot she took out e like immediately like she took a set back and then completely back flipped to the point where it was like she's now on top again like and she said I got I got a bit bored I wanted to you know I don't like not having control and making moves so she did it and worked can I just call that out that's something that's something that's that again when we're like I don't make that comparison that the rest of you have made between her and Tony because I feel like to compare anybody to Tony that's very difficult to do because Tony is in a league of his own but one thing that she does have that Tony's got Spades is understanding presence management and understanding Threat Level and taking that back seat I think was very deliberate at the merch not to become like she said the biggest

1:28:31 Target so that people would immediately go for her and actually seeing where the Dynamics were falling before she made her moves she works in the shadows she operates in the shadows she makes small moves that she's making note of if she gets to the end I'm telling you now she's going to have those moves ready to talk about and she's going to have the social game to back it because she's not forcing big moves she's making smart moves at certain times that you can pull back at to say here's the clear Narrative of how I got to the end and how I took people's options away and where I was a couple of steps ahead at all time but I feel like that presence management and understanding your Threat Level and how to manage that Kirby's been on no one's mind like yes everybody says she's a big player but no one's actually targeting her at this point or voting against her so I feel like that is something that is under sort of it's underappreciated from a lot of people when it comes to her game and it's not being talked about enough so but that's a lot of love for kobby Tom I know you're a man of the people and you're going to you're going to go somewhere completely different here I would be shocked if it is Kirby you know because she's not a man who are you voting for who's the person that's winning this season who do you think's in the best position well honestly it has to be between Kitty Caroline Kirby and Rihanna because the other people just there's no chance look

1:29:51 I it's obviously between Ferris or Kirby there's no doubt about it I think Mark's out of the running I could see Mark coming like fifth or something I think I might actually have to lean towards Kirby as well like I was thinking Ferris and I just think edit wise it makes more sense that Ferris gets beaten at the end you know get gets defeated and you know you know they love to they love to torture Ferris you know giving him a and he loves George so he could follow George's footsteps and be a runner up and it be interesting if they all some like Rihanna Ferris and Kirby were three of the final four and it'd be interesting if yeah Rihanna obviously wins the challenge thank you Gabe and like even though it's probably in Rihanna's best interest to take Ferris over Kirby she takes she takes Kirby instead because feris is so untrustworthy even though he's no cares you're going up against him now directly for the win he's literally way more trustworthy than Kirby but anyway yeah but yeah but yeah who's he who's feris turn his back on in the game yet like but that narrative exists

1:31:12 Like even Caroline stuff he reached out to them he's like he gave Mark the idol clue like there's a there's a the Idol's real back at the camp like the box or whatever the key he's helped everybody yeah Ferris is honestly like probably the best ally you could have in this game unless Kirby's playing with him because then if you're if you're Ferris as Ally chances are Kirby will gun for you going yeah so Tom you're an offense was his favorite season you're Kirby's number one targets since he's already said you're a part of the alliance getting into a fans was his favorite season what are you talking about I'm only goingon to work with women yeah obviously so all right maky so we did have you pull out your recorder there for a second so I do believe we would have had that for the for the meme obviously you can't go you can't go aen no definitely not you can't go elen and you can't go Jaden right back to back who been they've been the two people who've been sort of shouting for most of the Season who are you now gonna back to win at this point you know who are you going to give the kiss of death to well as actually I'm actually so happy you saved me you saved me for last chis because I do have a dramatic closer I like to do

1:32:32 But the person who I'm picking to win Titans versus Rebels is Alex wow he's gonna win he could Steven Bradbury it when I called a few weeks ago that if all the big players like take each other out I could see him like being Steven Bradbury like you know that idle play on Valeria I mean Game Changer absolute Game Changer he's I mean he's more of a game changer than most of the game changers cast and I love the game changer season so yeah I think Alex has got what it takes like let's not forget Simon was gonna win Heroes versus Villains if he'd reached the end and Alex has done more than what Simon has so yeah I yeah I love Alex I think if he whips out budget Smuggler a final tribal all eyes will be on him so that's the true Game Changer rocking up the Survivor and that Budgy Smugglers of his Mark here saying backto back and he breathes a huge sigh of relief that you did not choose him to be the winner of the Season that means that Mark won't go home and honestly Mark is Mark is mad because he made I forgot if it's a poster or a story about like who likes my handwriting and I said the like the likelihood of me liking it some lik I will go on

1:33:52 A date with me so pretty you don't know you don't you and Mark don't have that kind of relationship mate how can you be saying things like that to him how dare you're just like Caroline you're just like Caroline mate like you're just you and her like the same person yeah exactly yeah I don't care I'll roast everyone Andre Le says I rather have Caroline Alex she's the world's best wife why would we not wanted to win yeah Andre Smith meth teachera God no he's a rebel math teacher he's not a Titan one he's a rebellion one everyone thank you so much for hanging out with us here for the last hour and a half it's been great talking about this week's highlights of Australian Survivor we will be back next week to talk about next week's highlight so be sure to check out it'll be Thursday evening 9:00 p.m.

1:34:50 Australian easn than Standard time that's normally when we do go live we just got Char dude dropping in at the end as we're leaving saying I'm here don't worry doing a musical I did a musical too he did a musical at the start if you want to you know I guess if you want to go put yourself through some torture and prepare for Survivor when you get to that final tribal or final immunity challenge in the game go and have a listen to M's song at the beginning of this podcast but hey for now thank you everybody for cheing this out please consider subscribing hitting the like putting the notification Bell on thank you Mark and all the other Survivor players that did drop in and for being great Sports and not taking anything too seriously on this podcast there's been no shots fired so far and if there is any shots going to be fired it's most likely going to be Tom's way because let's be honest he's probably the most spicy out of all of us but on that note grab your torches head back to Camp we'll catch you guys next time bye