Australian Survivor: Titans vs Rebels Wrap up Review

0:12 [Music] [Music] a [Music] [Music] Hello everybody welcome back to the nullified take Channel on YouTube where we've got the TNT takes you on Australian Survivor Titans versus Rebels that is right I'm your host Chris and I'm back with Mr mck dog himself mcky Hope on the other end there mcky how's things going over there in New Zealand has the weather started changing like it has over here in melan I feel like it's dropped like about 10 degrees suddenly now it's still hot but it's hot because I'm in town baby you're smoking hot my dog is here to play baby you know I'm doing really good Oakland's doing f fine it's only fine because I'm so damn fine

1:32 As well and Street this is why we don't need you to go on to Survivor you know your head would just blow up the you get to do a feature with aen which is coming up later this week obviously on Thursday when we interview her everybody will hear the extended version of I need you now between you and alen I think that's going to be a big H you know you get do that and suddenly your head's just blown up mate like it's out of this world well you see there's a reason why I much prefer winter over summer and it's because since I'm just so naturally hot like I feel like when it comes to Summertime like I just instantly get off I feel like summer is just the world radiating off of me but do you have atmosphere I need to know though do you have Survivor puzzles and challenges in your basement are you that level of H or not I actually do have a puzzle I'm not Jing I actually do I One Survivor puzzle and a bunch of like idols and stuff all right so you can compete with hunter from the season of Survivor you know because that's what survivors got the same time to this is the problem this is the problem that we have

2:52 Tonight everybody I don't have kuna and Tom here to balance M out so there's going to be a little bit more of M than what we used to I'll try my best to sort of re him in where I can but it's hard like with M it's you know I don't I don't think he even knows half of the things that's coming out of his mouth sometimes well all I got to say Chris is last time we did a podcast together you bloody Like snooped Me by having me guess a bunch of riddles because I was in Traders Australia right yeah and yeah I was you know so lost so confused and I feel like now for the first time you're finally me you're the one that's L all I'm going to say is mate I have called him some backup and luckily for us Thomas here to keep you under control tonight ladies and gentlemen fellow co-host Tom is in the house Tom how you doing yeah I'm good I just got back from actually filming my Survivor season great news guys the first 12 boots were the women I made sure of that and yeah I just absolutely dominated so but I mean what can I say I'm a Survivor Prodigy y like this is Tom's strategy if he was go to go on to Survivor he wants to be the most hated ever to play the game you want to take that title away from Russell Hans don't you Tom yeah I'll find ways to get the women on the other tribe voted out it'll be all me

4:12 Somehow that's his cunning plan to be remembered but to be remembered for the wrong reasons we're back everybody to talk about Titans versus Rebels obviously we had you know Ferris and Mark on last week we spoke a little bit about the finale and it was great to have them on board but we didn't really get to I guess give our own final thoughts on the season all that much in that sort of specific life because we wanted to give them as much opportunity as possible to talk but how we're going to do it is we're going to do it a little bit differently it's not just going to be about finale week it's going to be about the season as a whole and I didn't get to prep Tom on this but I know Tom will be ready to go and it's good to have three people because it means that we will have a tie breaker in every single scenario here but we're going to be ranking everybody that played in a couple of different categories here we're going to go who because we still don't know who they are which means they probably won't come back we're going to go Ice Baby because they're a one hit wonder probably never going to see them come back to play Survivor again then we're going to have the ones where we're going to be sitting on the fence 50/50 could go either way maybe we'll be okay to see them again maybe not like they're kind of on the fence and then all stars mean definitely a rury plan our mind we should see them come back and then legendary status if anybody gets into the status that is that up and I'm going to try my best to keep it as spoiler free as I can

5:33 Because I know Chris who's in the live have not seen previous season so we don't want to spoil her because she's going to go back and watch more Australian Survivor so we won't compare any of the players that we put in this ranking to any players that have previously played the show or we might may talk in riddles so those who would know would know but other people wouldn't know that makes sense we'll try our best Chris we'll try our best Ferris is here for aen Ferris you're here too early my friend aen is going to be on the Podcast Thursday evening and that's when we do the big reveal of the I Need You Now fully extended don't tell that he's gonna leave yeah I thought I thought he was here for you Tom like I thought you're in his Alliance I thought he had your back come on Ferris baby say guys is that there've been some early reviews actually out and about for the song and they're all very positive just because they haven't heard it yet only seen they've only seen the cover seen the fan art it's a good no like some of this like some parts of the song has really changed some people's lives like some of them even saved somebody's marriage right yeah because now they're DEA and they can't hear their you know partner complaining at them all the time so they can

6:53 Coexist very easily together you know I feel like that would be the reason let's get into it though get into it here I do want to get into the rankings before we go into let's say hello to everybody we've got Chris in the live we've got chude here Gabe yes it is sad we're wrapping up Charlotte Birch all the way from the UK is in the house saying I need you know I need it now it will be releasing on Thursday we don't need so it'll be it'll be released on Thursday during the IM podcast and I'll be posting it on my Instagram as well at Mikey hope. on the Friday or the Saturday yeah thanks F we appreciate you bud we appreciate you okay so let's get into it guys let's talk about the very first person here that was voted out this season Frankie where do we put Frankie on this ranking Tom we know you love your strong female woman where will you put her on this season I was gonna say as a woman she's instantly in who no well obviously she's in who she's a first Boot and like she didn't do anything interesting the only literally the most interesting about her is she knows dude that's it like yeah and it makes it pretty interesting let's be honest you know to know chude because at one point we had bits going

8:13 Behind the scenes when chude first jumped in the live for the longest period of time we thought it was George so you know it could still be George we don't know if childood isn't maybe George himself because you know childhood was the biggest fan of George when he was playing the game bigger fan than anybody else on the live and the longest period of time we were like maybe it's George checking out our content on a burner account so you know who knows she might be friends with George for all we know but maky who do you think or where do you think who do you think who do you think she is tell us more about Frankie you know like would you put it higher than that or would you leave her there I would I'll put her Ice Baby I did initially like Frankie but I think this was the season where sort of like it was kind of like Revenge of the Nerds right especially with the first week right where typically when it comes to Australian Sur right on Q right on Q we're essentially like I feel like Frankie on any other strange Survivor season you know obviously I don't want to kind of say anything you know for Chris but like often the strong do sort of band together and Franky I think was kind of more of a strategic version of like an Abby for example right and I think in other season Frankie would have gone probably you know a decent way through but I just think this cast was all Messa fans I wanted to changed that sort of stigma for the past few seasons and so poor Frankie got

9:33 Tgy straight away so I personally would probably put her Ice Baby but I'm also happy with who because yeah she was the first B for me she's definitely staying at who I'm breaking the tie here if you're going to put a isos baby I do think that Frankie and an alternate reality could have had like maybe a really good game out there she had the makings like I mean physically she's built for the game she was a very strong personality but I feel like the fact that she couldn't adapt herself to her players around her didn't understand that the dynamic she was in with Jaden and I already forgot the guys name Nathan who she was so close with in the beginning they kind of formed that click very early on and she just didn't understand presence management that well so in some ways I wonder if she would do well if she was able to come back and play the game but for me personally I wouldn't put her any higher than that as well and temp coming in saying I don't remember her at all so she's on she's in the woo category Gabe says Frank Frankie usually goes far but Revenge of the Nerds beginning screwed her childood also says if Stevie made it back for you villains then surely it means Frank re has to come back was a lot for that season honestly Stevie was always a lot VI says but if George is on every season then he won't be on talking tribal and that's going to be a problem yeah I mean people need to hear him on talking tribal you know so they need to hear that expert

10:53 Analysis so if he's playing the game he can't do it Okay so we've got our first person down I am going to go back to you for this next one because I know you were a big fan of her game Jess leg Legend nutritional lecturer right you know she lectured the tribe she thought she ran the Frankie boot when she obviously didn't and then in the next episode she's like you know what let's target the people who have been working very closely with for the first three days and you know and the alternate universe similar to Frankie just pulls it out right so is that your honest ranking you're going to you're going to die on this hill she's a legend I'm going to die on this hill just as a legend she kind of reminds me of some of the previous like I don't like I kind of question your taste because I'm gonna say like you know last season you were all about Rogue she probably has like a little bit of a rogue element to her but then you're also like aen and aen was a half Deon player this season so I don't know if we could trust your judgment she was a very good player of the Season by the way yeah I just think personally for me with Jess definitely great casting I have to give her great casting because I definitely remember her she's not a who for me I personally would put her down and maybe Ice

12:13 Ice Baby a onead Wonder could be persuaded to put her in 50/50 so depending on where Tom wants to lean on this one and maybe he brings back a little bit of Sanity here but she was a fun character right because clearly she wasn't self-aware clearly she was get she was getting gasl by the people around her that she was running all of the votes and she thought she was a strategic Mastermind she kind of reminded me of that typical person who's book smart but not Street Smart you know she being you know you being a lecturer herself you know being obviously Highly Educated she just didn't quite fit in with the people around her but definitely fun while she was on TV probably I baby I'll leave on eyes baby Tom where would you go so if I was going to go first I would have said legendary because guys she's the one of the best lecturers in the world don't know how you can ass that like my mom's a lecturer and she was just laughing like how embarrassing like you can't just so be serious here because if you go legendary we have to put her there because also would lose all credibility then of course maky said legendary so no she's definitely a who guys because think about it like you're saying she's entertaining she's not entertaining just her like her personality was a bit of a sack of potatoes I'm not going to lie

13:33 Like the only thing was interesting about her was how hopeless she was and like she was still very boring like herself like it was the situation that was entertaining like the fact that she genuinely thought she was on top and that she was dumb enough to Target Eden but that she's got to be a who like yeah vovis agrees with you says I remember Frankie but barely remember J she's a dud but because obviously we had mon higher legendary I've gone down to Ice Baby you've gone who will keep her at Ice Baby We Won't Let It Drop cuz maky was on the other side of this but thank goodness you're here Tom because I think people would have tuned out after the second ranking if we left it there because obviously maky can't take this seriously Ser Peta is the next person that is going to come up and I guess I'll start on this one because I've made you boys start on the last couple for me again Peta I feel like she could have been better than Frankie she but she was kind of Frankie 2.0 so you can't really put a higher do I even have her on here is she that kind of have to put on who to be honest because she's kind of Franky 2.0 like they had the exact same Survivor story on both tribes right wanted to have the strength wanted to be with the athletic bunch and both times they got caught out so

14:54 Yeah the stories kind of ran parallel Tom what would you say for pet would you put her I mean the fact that she's so forgettable outside of her as suppose incredibly unfortunate downfall like she was even whipping out the Barbie references and we're coming off the heels of the of barbin Heimer and she's still a forgettable person also calm down comparing yourself to Barbie I mean Maro Robbie you sorry oh W shots say was a Survivor fan and pre-season she was high for you all P failed made her Alliance to obvious imagine voting on exactly Brendan like that's why Tom knew as soon as he heard that Jess was going to be put at the legendary status he knew like instinctively I've said people this to I've told people this before if I was able to play Survivor I literally am thinking of like having a little armband that has what would M do on it and every time if I have a decision to make I would look at it and do the exact opposite and I probably could win the bying strategy so you're on to it BR where would you put her not that it matters she's going to stay at who in any well I was also going to put her who because you know when it comes to you know who was the biggest disappointment of the season I kind of feel like it was pet

16:14 Unfortunately you know I feel like everyone like was so high on Peter right she watched Survivor New Zealand who watches survive in New Zealand these days apart from you know us KES right even us new zealanders watch that's why got canell yeah ex after two seasons but yeah I feel like there's a lot of high for her but yeah she kind of plays similar to Frankie and that's why she's at the bottom and can I just say for three woman in a row Tom has tried to put them all than who yeah Noy he's definitely playing Into The Stereotype tonight now you know from one Mad Dog Mad Dog Mony to another Mad Dog mad toas M where would you put your fellow mad do Tobias at where would you rank him well as a Maverick myself I would have to put him at Ice Baby Ice Baby okay tell why I feel like it was pretty entertaining I you like I mean it's a similar thing it's like he didn't really do that much but I felt like I mean what's also really funny so when you think about it Tobi wasn't even me meant to go home it was meant to be Alex but then but then Kelly completely switched R up right so yeah I mean like yeah I thought he was pretty funny how he

17:35 Genuinely believed that if you just sit by the campfire and don't talk to anyone yeah that no one's GNA vote for you because being helpful and then he literally gets voted out like on accident like yeah I thought was quite entertaining so yeah I love the loser signs like that to me was the funniest thing can you imagine can you imagine Tobias Tom on Survivor us right now doing the little signs in between challenges how many people do you think will break down and cry afterwards because I feel like they just wouldn't be able to handle that heat they definitely like some what would happened if Banu if Banu had the little L sign shirt at him like oh Banu would be great but no I was thinking most American Survivor players if they had the L sign they'd connect it to like their past trauma because that everyone on American Survivor has passed trauma that's the only way he can get on these days sh yeah to sh I would I would put him ahead of just I do think he's probably Ice Baby I don't think he'll come back most likely I mean stranger things have happened but he didn't seem like he was a survivor Play he was kind of like a bit of an outcast Tom why what you making that face for where would you put him guys the only thing he did that was memorable was the L signs for a few memorable he sat by

18:55 The fire the entire time you cannot put an eyes siiz baby he is a who all the way like he did nothing he did theide that's it like yeah he's a game changer bring him back yeah Peter and Frankie did more than him he literally is the most forgettable person on this season and I'm and this is a season of Charles in it like they literally they did everything they could to make Charles forgettable like if this was Tom ranking like I feel like I'm in the middle of like Tom and Mony here like Tom would put everybody on who unless they made the merge and mcky will put the most wackest players all at legendary and I'm like somewhere in between with this to make sure that got some variety actually spoilers is the next person's 5050 for me thank you very much but I'm just saying Tobias is a who all the way that is he's the biggest who on the board for me but it makes it makes it hard because you've said he's a who he's going to go fall back below Jess because Jess was a legendary for Mony so he's close to being a Who but I am with youy on this one we've got a we've got him an ice I baby for this one let's move on to Nathan so Nathan is a 50/50 for you yeah because like the potential for him on a season in terms of a character like the whole confessional

20:15 Where he's like yeah no sad seeing Frankie go she's like a sister to me and then like 5 seconds later oh she's kind of hot like and she I'm pretty sure she didn't want to cuddle with him like CU he I don't she had a boyfriend or something I don't know but like he just he was hopeless and like the fact that he literally he should be primed to go to merge almost in any season and he was that bad at the game that he got himself voted out fifth genuinely impressive well I think the thing with Nathan R is that it's not really he did anything wrong I feel like it's just more as Revenge of the Nerds wrong he aced all of the challenges right he was eating the food and he keep beasting out the challenges I think you and your nerd nerdity Tom is just getting too high you're all about the Nerds these days IR and's an Allstar so I'm not only sexist but I also hate people who aren't nerds is there anyone I like no like it completely makes sense you know he doesn't want yeah actually it doesn't make sense I don't know where you're coming from here Tom like you're confusing one thing I will say is I feel like Nathan's jacket ended up being the real like there's a higher likelihood of Nathan's jacket making a

21:35 Return on the show than Nathan himself because Caroline's gonna wear it if she comes back yeah or it's gonna end up on ghost Island and it's gonna be one of those things that they can finally play as an advantage that'd be great but I don't know I'm feeling like Nathan is Ice Baby for me like I don't I don't need to see him again to be honest I'll put him down there I don't think he was that great said Mony said ex stop trying to R this Chris stop try democracy I honestly didn't care for him all that much for me I wouldn't see him again vovis says one of the best things Nathan did was leaving his jacket behind he's Drew chrisy hilarious jacket equals legendary Nate to me is an Ice Baby because he will never be a serious game player even though even if he was brought back I agree like I don't need to see Jaden's never going to be a serious player and he's great yeah probably but I'd rather have Jaden if I had to choose who comes back yeah but I guess 50/50 means he's not necessarily coming back so let's move on next one here was someone that I think a lot of people had a lot of Hope for coming into this season I know we were kind of high on her and I do think Viola for me is someone if there's ever a season right where they go pre mergers

22:55 Versus post mergers I think via's got to be in the right she had a bit of a bad hand deal to her so I'll put her as an allar I'll put her as someone I want to see come back because 50/50 means I could see a come back I don't want to see her come back Viola I'd like to see come back and I think she's got the physical ability to do well she had a great social read on the game except for Caroline you know a bad swap she's not the first person ever to get taken out by a bad Swap and just not having her numbers with her but she was clocking Caroline in that tribe of the Titans she knew Caroline was coming for her Mark told her not to take the swing which ultimately probably meant she was voted out like she didn't swing before Caroline did in this game and I would like to see what a viola 2.0 would do on the game if she was to come back in a season we've seen players come back pre-merge before she could be someone that could do extremely well dare I say she could be a mark she could come back and perform really well Mark from blood versus water you know she could perform really well in a second time out there I feel like Mony where would you put viola like it's really hard because like she was all over pre-season right she was all over pre-season and like I thought she was going really deep and then but it's also kind of like I'd like to see F black I'd like to see VI

24:16 Sorry for my St but I could also see it not coming back as well if that makes sense I feel like they're only very specific Seasons that they would bring her back in yeah but would you like to see her back this is a case of would you like to see her come back okay yeah let's have I'm not saying that she's Allstar you know tier ranking necessarily but Allstar for me in the sense that we want to see her come back she's an All-Star character for this season if that makes sense okay yeah I mean I personally don't think she was like the star of the season but like I yeah that's the legendary stat yeah but I'd like to come back yeah like you had Jess at legendary and you're thinking about Viola you see this is where straty does not make sense I have my priorities I do you're never going to guess where Kelly and winner are going to be yeah I wouldn't be able to guess where they're going to be like you're probably going to put them at who based on how you've been doing your rankings but Tom coming over to you on viola where do you sit on her oh like she never was my favorite but I know like everyone was obsessed with her so like she has to go an Allstar like I mean I don't I don't really need to see her play again no offense Mark but yeah like everyone wants everyone wants her so

25:36 Yeah allar yeah I think vovis is agreeing with you hello is agreeing saying Viola was Rob we didn't get to see enough of her I would say Allstar or 550 for sure and we do have her in the allstar ranking we're now going to go into someone I don't know if they were really made for this game but I'm really interested to know Tom where you would put her and that's Sarah as he's taking water well yeah Sarah she's a firefighter so I was just drinking water I wanted to make sure all the fires are D inside me yeah no Sarah yeah look she I really liked her I wanted to her to stay around but she had nothing to really offer to the game other than that amazing her amazing boot episode that was that was iconic but like yeah you can't bring her back for that alone so she'd go and who I'd be happy if I baby as well but probably I'd say who a yeah right Mony where do you have her I'll put a i baby okay yeah I feel like I don't think she was a one had wonder I don't feel

26:56 Like she so I'm going to keep her who CU I'm definely with Tom on this on who because what did she really do except for her merge boot like which was I guess a one hit wonder in an episode but I don't feel like she yeah such a great one hit wonder you know what's crazy the fact you people like think that Tobias is above Sarah like Tobias needs to go he need to go the bottom he literally did L science and nothing else nothing else like he had the he had the strategy he had the wonderful strategy of sitting in Camp not doing any work because he was bringing wood to the camp and he didn't need to strategize you know he was conserving that energy for the next challenge and how long could you watch him do that I could watch it all season long I'll strap you to a chair and you just let me know when you fold okay I feel like we missed out on a lot of valuable Tobias content of you know his technique of you know getting wood knowing which one is the dry wood versus the wet wood which would work better with the fire like I bet you there was like a lot of thinking going on there that we just weren't privy to mate like if he was winning the season the edit would have been completely different around to B that's all I'm saying well obviously I think I think Tom's a bit jealous because the only wood he knows is morning wood right so

28:16 Yeah it's the thing about Tobias right is that he's always going to be much more entertaining than S I mean okay I am I am a people I'm a people's person and since hello said definitely I baby because of that boot episode I'm happy did we go above twice put it below put it below how dare you I have to keep it there just because I know it will annoy Tom Char dude Char dude's on my side oh what Char dude so Tom I'm 100% on your side also on his boot app he was going around saying I safe he is this that I'm agreeing with Tom on Tobias so a few people that are calling us crazy here but I still think you know I'm with you monkey you know we're holding the Ford here we gave the people what they wanted she's a ni baby I'm sabotaging everyone well the next one is going to be an interesting one because we're talking about you know Tom's snle buddy if he was a to get called on Survivor Garrick mcky where would you put Garrick on this ranking do you want to see the G do come back and do another season now it's really interesting because I could bring Tom and put him at who so then no matter what G will always be a bit low or maybe I

29:36 Can share my actual personal opinion no sh your personal opinion I'm not which well because I also have to go for the joke right but no I quite like I quite liked Garrick I would put him at 5050 personally he had phenomenal reads as well his time in the game I do think that yeah the thing with gaki like you know great reads and stuff and I think he just got put in a bad spot because you know F strategy with his Idol worked out amazingly right and so of course we going to Target gck of Ferris and they probably would not have target targeted e because how close Ferris and E were so I feel like I feel like gri was always a perfect tiger in that tribal unfortunately and he read that amazingly as well so yeah I don't see I don't see G come back and play he fits a type as well right so gabia says if the season ever needed like a Taren old guy type of Personality Garrick would come back or could come back in that case yeah and could easily be in a post-merge pre merge kind of season if astralian Survivor wanted to do that you know potentially and then vovas here says I'm biased with Garrick because I know him in real life he does loss prevention at my work he's legendary in my eyes I'm sure he's a great guy yeah Tom where would you put him I know he's your guy you had his

30:56 Back when he was in the game and vovas wasn't even aware that you had such a what was it like a snuggle buddy crush on him you said you know you'd have him as a snuggle buddy if you were out there we've cuddled a few times since he's come back okay he doesn't belong on any of these he's in the legend daddy section Legend Daddy and it's there's no Legend daddy section here today that's a shame he's Fox yeah he is he is he's good looking rooster so legendary for me because like I think he's the perfect like straight man to come back on any season like everyone else is like cookie people and he's just like old and he's old and he's grumpy and he's like everyone can spell Kelly you bloody idiot you know that's great like when she was bra I can I could spell like you're like a 50-year old woman you should be able to spell but yeah garet legendary okay well I'm gonna I'm gonna stick with I'm gonna stick with M I can't believe twice in a row now if had to with but definitely for me 5050 I enjoyed Garrick there was times I enjoyed him on the I think he had some good reads like M said I would have loved to have seen how him and Ferris continue to work in the game together he definitely brought something in the time that he was there I don't know how adaptable he was in the game because obviously Kirby did this one thing

32:17 Early in the game and he couldn't forgive her for it and he was very stubborn about that which created this Rift between Ferris Alliance and Kirby's Alliance very early on I enjoyed him I wouldn't hate seeing him come back but I'm not waiting for him to come back if that makes sense so that's why 50/50 for me is probably well keep him on this one here Tom is at the top then because I said legendary he beats Nathan V says I don't know if Garrick will come back he's moving to Bary oh that'd be amazing gar you should have told me I'll catch up with you there go for visits also can we can we move into the top of 5050 please go on see I feel like he's begging for a CH we can't do it you know we don't appreciate begging this is literally democracy I all I'm gonna say is All I'm gonna say is Tom has been watching too much Survivor us and now he's using the baru strategy here with us on this podcast it's not gonna work Dom it's not gonna work what you literally said like it's our three votes combined two 50/50s and a legendary equals if two of us vote on a on a specific ranking it stays there it's if we're all divided so let's go let's take him Downy let's go listen to him listen to him Tom get out of this okay we're going to go to the next one here we're going to talk

33:37 About Charles and mcky where would you put Charles in this game someone who looked like he potentially had a neck for the game it's time of the game got cut short we know Tom was a big fan are you a big fan of Charles mcky no like it's fine like I mean all that we really got from Charles was him just be trying to be little Ferris and I at that tribal and then you know he was literally like there was no opportunity to work with you anymore in this game and then once person all had all the power oh well you know you always got to be open to work with people right and so yeah I it's really hard for Charles because it's like part of me wants to come back to see like you know how far he could actually go in the game and stuff like that but also like I'm not like oh my God I need Charles so I'll probably put him at ice High space maybe mhm personally you didn't like the content with him and Raymond you know sort of fanboying over his T-shirt I think it was a reference to a game or something and then we never saw that play out with Raymond and Charles becoming close you didn't like that content too much from if I wanted to watch two nerds you know fan out or watch American Survivor right gosh I don't really care sorry yeah I thought you were going to be way more brutal I thought you was you were going to say then I'll tune into

34:57 List listen to Tom and Chris talk about Survivor us I should have G with that I should have you completely missed your opportunity there Tom Charles what's your thoughts on him first off no Maki I think that was perfect there literally was a segment in 45 where they'll talking about Pokemon two nerds just going back to back about and because I'm a Pokemon fan I understood everything they was saying and it was pretty nerdy stuff it wasn't like oh Pikachu it was like top tier nerd stuff anyway yeah no Charles yeah he literally was the most purpled person of the entire season he's got to go on who yeah I agree probably bottom of who as well not because I don't I feel like he probably had a game in him like it's didn't get to see it and he's probably a smart guy and probably a really nice guy but had the odd back and forth dm with him about potentially coming on to the podcast who knows maybe we do get to get to talk to Charles at some stage about his game and get to talk about the things that we didn't see sometimes the interviews with people who didn't get an edit are actually the most interesting interviews to do because you get to understand a bit more of the game but based on the edit you have to say probably like you said the most purpled person didn't really get to see much so more than happy to move him down now this next person that got voted out in my opinion and this is gonna shock people absolute legendary status Kelly

36:17 Like chaos Kelly has to come back she has to come back and she is legendary casting for this season if there's someone out there that noys the crap out of you legendary if there is someone out there that creates chaos in a season legendary this is the kind of sloppy casting I want to see more of and who would ever forget her big truth bomb at the end telling everybody that she's a psychiatrist when nobody expected it as she was leaving the game you know and her back and forth rivalry with Alex we have to see Alex and Kelly for a rival season on Australian Survivor for me she's the biggest slam down of anybody from the Prem merg is coming back it's Kali 100% M over to you that's my that's my man I'm so proud of her yeah no I agree yeah like we talked about earlier like the whole Tobias phot off I'm rewatching the season with one of my really close friends and like I just I completely forgot as Kelly goes up to vote like literally this E's voice playing in the background like you know girls on no I think it was like girls on Tobias Boys on Alex and then she still votes out Tobias

37:37 And then just like yeah just everything she does right where even her son's birthday like I've shown that scene to so many of my family which a lot of them don't even watch Survivor and they loved that scene right and right yeah and just everything she does and what's also really funny about Kell is that don't think she was in the wrong when it led to getting fed out right you know she really was trying to stick up for Roman stuff but yeah I'd love to I'd love to see Kelly come back and what's crazy is that I don't think if she was to come back that she would be targeted straight away yeah well V over here says if Kelly was great if she stayed on tight end she would have maybe made it far because she would have showed some loyalty potentially there whoop good casting and personality Kelly will bring no matter how long she lasts in the season that is exactly why I've got her so high Tina saying I don't know how she can play a good game now that everyone knows that she's the psychologist yes the cats out of the bag they're now going to know that she's psychoanalyzing them every time that she's out there playing the game with them so Tom that you know Lethal Weapon that she had at her disposal this season would be taken away how would Kelly adapt Tom if we saw Kelly 2.0 come out and play the game again yeah it'd be tough to adapt I know

38:57 Exactly how she feels it's like on my first season everyone's going to find out I got three nipples and then what do I do on my second season I got no tricks no tricks yeah no she's got to go legendary I think she's the best character of the Season you know like obviously not the best and in a season full of good characters or great characters she's probably up there yeah I feel I feel like for the like there weren't too many people actually for me who I'd say would be legendary in this season but like there's a lot of like 7 % upwards people you know which is good this is like the coldest take from Kahuna tonight Kahuna's not feeling well so he can't be on the podcast but he's in the chat and saying Kelly is slightly better than Banu at this game Kelly is Light Years above Banu in this game Banu could not you know find his way I don't know what I was going to say but he can't find his way out of any vote in this game like the fact that he survived two votes in the six person tribe still blows my mind at this point based on what we saw but Kelly is great I don't know how you can put them both on the same sentence because also something about Kelly right it's like you know let's assume that the next Allstar season is like a second chance of season or it's a you know some kind of like all stars 2 right who's coming for Kelly you're going to have other massive names and stuff like that like no I'm aligning

40:17 With Kelly if I ever played Australian Survivor and I hope this doesn't bite me in the butt you know if I was even to go play but if she's an a fans's favorite season I want to play with Kelly if I'm like you know out there in Aur e season if I was lucky enough to play once and get ass back she's the person I want to play with you know what a great person to have with you it's pretty hard to ask a first book to come back Chris I not really give your hopes that much yeah well listen if you think I'm G to be a first book we know it's going to be the opposite that's going to happen like normally the opposite of what you think is reality is normally what is actually happening but no I think she'd be great like look at look at how she fall fell on the sword for Ray this season she was willing to go so you've got her back and she's loyal to you she's going to evict herself before you get to go home what a what a great Shield to have in the game but yeah K definitely the first one so far tonight that we all have agreed on now this next person is really difficult to rank it's Scott and Scott left the game due to mental reasons which makes it hard to kind of put him anywhere I personally would put him at Ice Baby not for the fact that he quit but it's just we didn't really we get to see much do we like he had some storyline he was Kirby's right person seemed like a very likable person but I'm okay with seeing him once play the game I don't know if he would even want to come back if he was asked

41:38 To play the game based on the fact that he chose not to play M yeah it's like I mean you know from the vibe I got I quite like Scott and he was you know K's rightand person and something that's so good about stran Survivor as well is that they show a lot of the social game as well right and game is PR important and you could see Scott was really bonding with so many people like he built really good connections and this was important for an alliance right it's just unfortunate we didn't get to see a lot of his strategy out there but maybe that's because he was just so in with Kirby that everything could was saying Scott was doing right so yeah I'd also put him at ice I baby I don't think he's above Tobias or legendary J so I feel like he's just right yeah Tom can I ask so in the way we're ranking this are we ranking it purely from a perspective of the likelihood that casting would recast would want to cast them again based on how popular they are because I feel like anyone who gets eject who ejects themselves in the game for mental health reasons is an instant like you can't put back put them back on the season like how are you me so Ice Baby is one hit wonderers so he was on once we don't need to see it again he's not coming back who is we don't even know who they were in the game basically

42:58 Yeah okay yeah I'm happy with it then like I feel like we knew who he was at a very minimum and he had an impact on the season to a degree but we don't need to see him come back though it's kind of where I'm sitting on Scott okay moving on from that one the next person here is going to be winner chicken dinner Mary over to you what do you think of Mr winner himself found an idol in the game nearly lost the tooth you know there was a lot going on with winner and his brok Rance between him and Jaden where would you rank him do you want to see WN come back and play the game I think WN is a Hey Now You're an allar get your game on go hey he's an Allstar baby I want to see when I come back he was really entertaining is he like the best player in the world no but he was willing to try big things like when he tried to lure people to you know with feris and E to vote for him at the charlesb episode at least like at least that's something right you know he tried making moves and stuff I feel like he had a great personality and I feel like he was set to go pretty deep in the game if wasn't for fous you know flipping right and so yeah I'm good with Winer I agree with hell I'll put him an Ice Baby I don't need to see winner come back in this game he was fun for the time that he was there

44:18 Not a true student of the game someone that I think was recruited to come and play this season found his Idol overplayed his hand had a had a wrong read with his crazy strategy to get the votes on him like that was ever going to work and he burned his Idol for no reason trying to save the three of them at the bottom I don't know like for me I don't feel like he like probably a really nice guy but I'm with hello and this one Tom I saw you nodding as well when that came up he was so boring like he had no personality like he literally he thought it was a man that was it like he's like oh I can eat lots of food so I'm the man like yeah I didn't like him at all I he deserves to be like the top of ice I baby but there's literally yeah no way he would ever get asked back especially because he's an influencer like I feel he'd only come back if he was a super entertaining character which he wasn't Shauna thank you so much Shauna says love this podcast so much we appreciate the support hello says I thought winner was extremely generic and only shown was necessary like the idol his idea to wait to get the idol showed his naiveness and lack of urgency totally agree CH saying wner can't even live up we'll give you an opportunity M CH says winner can't even

45:38 Live up to his own name so who and then H says he relied on his pre-existing relationships with Jayden on the show and still didn't even go far in the game yeah I agree I just personality wise it didn't do much for me mcky final thoughts on winner well all I got to say is that it's pretty stupid that you give Caroline credit for trying to make him move with Idol but then you don't give credit for WN try to make a move with his Idol Caroline made plenty of moves in the game mate like winner tried to do one move and it was not even a smart move like at least with Caroline's move I can defend it there was a lot of ways you can defend that move she didn't sort of like he was open about the fact that he had the well not open but he was pretty obvious about the fact that hey vote for me I'm the one who said it like I mean what are you going to think like it's a bit strange why does this guy want votes on him like maybe he's got something in the game where she was trying to be stealth and undercover about it and there's a reason she couldn't tell Mark about it cuz Mark betrayed her so many times and she betrayed Mark so many times in the game there wasn't trust and it was a lot deeper in the game you can't it's ch and cheese between the two players should Tred making a move with an idol and one vote when there's at least a guaranteed vote going somewhere else maky I agree with Chris she was annoying unlikable old a woman she had plenty of moves plenty of moves like she was a great player I mean even if Tom is going to go you know

46:58 You know your take is cold mcky okay we're going to move on to the next one here we've got a ranking there this next person is someone who I really wanted to see D well this season like coming in we kind of compared him to Tom he had you know there's the resemblance of maybe like an older brother if he was like an older brother of Tom what did you think of Eden big Super Fan PL I believe eight times for the show until he got on where would you rank him did you see enough would you want to see him come back where do you sit on him he I honestly didn't think I'd like him coming into the season I did his intro package that was being shown was annoying me but like I really liked him I he was very Charming very like positive energy and I think you'd have to I mean the fact that he made the data ball reference and actually made it onto the show like that's insane like I don't think the Survivor producers even got the reference probably so yeah I'd like to say he's an a star because he should I think he's got like a 75% chance of coming back yeah I think I think Eden's coming back as well I think he was also the voice of reason a lot of the times in the mid middle-aged Mafia when Caroline and KY wanted to make the move on viola he tried to warn them about the fact that's going to burn mark and how is Mark

48:18 Going to feel afterwards there was a couple of times where I felt he had good reads in the game the one cold read he had was on Jaden thinking that Jaden was his Frankenstein he was building him up to be this big game player but in all fairness Jayden showed a lack of willingness to play the strategic game until he made the bizarre move that he did to take revenge for winner and vote out someone that also made him lose numbers in the game and we all know how that played out so I do want to see Eden come back and play the game I was very fearful from the beginning of the game when his name came up and he became very panicked about it and you know even Mark didn't want to give him all of the information because he said it's not someone that I can in regards to you know if his name's on the Block he's going to probably give the game away if we're going to put votes on someone else but I do think Eden playing the game again he's that kind of guy that this experience would have done a world of good for him to be out there and to make the merge and I do feel for him one spot short of being on the jury so I really want to see him go out there again and try again normally maky this is the kind of person that you'd be high on as well because you know sneaky Steve fell short twice you know is the someone you know I feel like he's personally got more game than sneaky Steve but where do you sit on come back well because CU here's the thing about Eden and I know I spoke about this with you

49:38 Off a Chris but I actually got spoiled on Eden where there was a promo about in preseason where he was wearing the merge buff and I was and I was so mad that I got spoiled it's the only spoiler I got for the thing and then and one of the next time on Survivor he was once again wearing the merch buff right and so I always going to win especially with all the content he got in episode one and two like for the first week I was like there's no way in how this guy is winning so the whole time like I mean like I was ruing against him the whole time because I got spoiled on it so when he got voted out I was genuinely shocked he got voted out I did not believe that would happen I can't see him coming back was the same time I mean maybe I need to properly rewatch The Season without those feelings to get more of a proper Sense on Eden but yeah but yeah I'll just leave it up to you guys yeah sure yeah well we both voted Allstar and I think he is probably slightly ahead of Viola at this point as an Allstar as well so we'll leave him there and then we'll go we're going to go on to someone here we'll get maky to start off because I feel like maky would have the very obvious vote but we're going to talk about aen someone we're going to be interviewing Thursday for those that are not aware M has spoken to Al a few times he's now been able to collab on song with her where do

50:58 You put aen would you like to see her come back obviously right I would have thought you'd say no because then you could get to spend more time with her if she's on the island you know she's that far away from you because you're clearly never going to play the game off well you know there's only one way I'm moving to a that's you know special someone wins chicky five 500k and flies me over right so legendary all the way legendary all the way I want to see ien come back you know she was the voice of reason a lot of time she was kind of in the shadows quite a bit and I feel like she was playing a very sneaky game like my boy sneaky Steve and yeah I love e i loveed watching her play and I really hope she gets chance to play again for her sake I really hope she gets to play again just because I know my is already planning his next trip over to Melbourne Chris want back on Survivor so she can support him financially exactly what I said hband I've got four jobs I really need someone to so Tom where do you put alen is she a legend in your status legendary status have to come back look

52:18 I think she like played a great game and she was she actually like in terms of like what the game appeared to be like it looked like she was really big player but they definitely didn't show her as much as she should have been shown considering how integral she was to like everyone's strategies and everything so for me because she wasn't shown as much she should have been I reckon I'd put her at the very top of 50/50 with Garrick right next to her and because just because I think like I think she should deserve to be an allar but the edit she was given how is Nathan no fa him okay yeah like she should have been an allar but the edit she was given didn't allow her to be yeah I personally feel like the reason that the and we're obviously going to get to talk to alen on Thursday and we're going to be able to find out more about some of the strategy that went on that we didn't see but I feel like a lot of it was her not always agreeing with Ferris and them showing it probably wouldn't have been the greatest view of Ferris game which Ferris game obviously at the end of the day that went out so they're always going to show more what Ferris was planning and what he was

53:38 Doing because there was a couple of times where she felt like he had to play the idol on him on her which he didn't maybe there's a couple of times where you know there was this whole thing when the vote happened and they moved over to work with Caroline and kitty to make the move I forgot who was voted out in that round might have been winner against winner she was the last person to give the okay so that they could move with them like she was the one that they needed to get on board so I feel like there was a lot of things we didn't see with her for me alen's definitely an Allstar at very minimum so between 5050 and also an allar I do feel like personally for me she's just based on that she's sitting in between there someone with e probably somewhere with Eden in regards to coming back but I want to see alen play the game again I love the fact that she's been so great also at engaging with the online community and the f anybody that puts up with M Tom and that indulges his delusion you know like needs to be someone that we should like I mean she is doing a world of good like no one else would have done this right so you know she definitely needs to go out there and play the game just based on that alone just based on the fact that she's willing to put up with them Tom yeah I mean the fact that she gave Mony her number I genuinely think like Ferris can you can you firm with us whether E's okay at

54:58 The moment like what's going on in her life that she did that all I'm saying is all I'm saying is like she's got to change that number Ferris like hopefully it's a burner that's all I'm saying Ferris is saying you've got Tom hitting on Garrick muy hitting on aen all that's left is for Chris to hit on Ray then my alliance is gone yeah it's like we're liking everybody but feris so far but we'll talk about Ray very soon we'll talk about Ray very soon I've got my person and Tom knows who it is that I'm going to be standing for tonight because Tom's the opposite look at Ferris latest comment I'll bring it up yeah Al's doing God's work yeah honestly gosh Gabe saying lot of big characters to share the edit as well aen even said she was probably only normal person on the rebels tribe that's funny as hell like the being this gives you an idea everybody of how far out the personalities must have been on the island it something to A's head while she was hanging out with all these Rebels on the island when now she's okay being friends with m in the real world so clearly that gives you an idea of where people were on that island you know I don't know what that says about me and Tom but I feel like you know you know M's kind of like I don't know he's like a little brother we're just looking after him making sure he's not getting in trouble

56:19 Yeah something like I mean sounds like he has got in trouble because apparently I e's in his basement right now according to Ferris all right I not or deny let's get on to the next person here Mr Jay dog himself yeah is Jaden Jayden had a big season like from a character point of view the edit loved him he was never really seen as the Strategic guy but in the challenges like one thing that will always stand out for me was that come from behind challenge where he was just dunking was it coconut I can't remember what he was tring but one after the other he was just hitting it and it was insane and he had a couple of moments like that in the challenges and also because I called him out after the Shannon heat like I feel like I need to be kind to Jaden because if we do end up going out there in a fans as his favorites hopefully he remembers this and not me calling him out so I'd put I'd put jayen sort of towards the bottom of an Allstar like I could see him easily coming back to play another season I think he was a big enough character this season where people will like be excited everybody on the fan stripe with me would be very excited when he runs out except for me who is going to know that he's coming to collect some receipts you know after I called him out the fire that was happening between him and Shannon Tom

57:39 What's your thoughts on Jayden I think yeah that's a perfect spot for him he someone yeah Gabe said he's Keith now type and I mean Keith now is probably like my top three favorite survivors of all time rest in peace and no like no one's going to compete with him but I reckon he's a Jaden's a pretty good Aussie comparison to Keith nil and he should play two times exactly no more than two's enough can you imagine Jed on a Tuk Tok you call like I don't think the M where do you sit on him I think he's a legend and Tom I feel like we have a perfect opportunity to put probably the two funniest people of the season and legendary status right here like Kelly was born last J was so funny as well like something at the Nathan tribal really liked was when people talk about stick to the plan but he just has no idea what the plan is and see just like just trying to like check everyone see what the plan is he's so funny I like I really want to see Jen come back like he to he turn now M's turning into the baru begging Tom to change the rankings up yeah all I'm saying is that Tom's Tom

58:59 Said that you know he wants us you to team up against Chris early in the live I feel like you know let's H up to that let's put the two funniest people of the season I don't know like he was good but was he really that funny like was he Kelly level of funny like I don't know Chris I got a solution to this yes we'll just Chu we'll just Chuck him above e he's so high on yeah all right let's get into let's get into the next one here we have got Valeria that was the next person voted out very interested in the takes here because at one point Tom you were really hot on valyria I mean Valeria is pretty hot as well so I don't blame you know but you were pretty hot on valyria and in regards to her potentially being a winner of the season and you were kind of the one sort of floating that idea around for a bit did you see enough of the Russian bombshell and would you like to see her come back yeah I thought we were getting the wham bam Wombo Combo double Russian Banana Split for you know these two seasons back-to-back winners but to be

1:00:19 Honest I think she's more entertaining than Liz I don't think Liz was like I agree yeah Liz had small moments but she was like the most insane character in the world but like Valeria like I just love the accent words like straight she was like stri could deal so I put at the top of all stars personally I don't know if she's quite legendary but top of all stars top of All Stars for Tom on Valeria once to see Valeria come back and play this game again for Mia was someone that I really enjoyed this season I mean obviously it helps that you know she had the Russian definitely like you said a few times where she had said like listen all of you guys in the final tribal none of your games have impressed us so far we still don't know who to vote for like it's just like these cold lines and then seeing her on a tribal C in a tribal council taking shots at aen and Ferris in regards to their game and how they're playing the game like just brutal she had like no filter so again some brilliant moments there and then who would forget you know Chef Valeria at Camp Mony like if she wasn't there who's going to feed them on the All Star tribe if they were out there because she was the one making sure they all had a full Billy of rice you know when Caroline wasn't around well Sweet Caroline was also giving people

1:01:40 Food you just say but no I mean I like Val but the same time I personally don't need to see Val come back as well be she was pretty entertaining so I would personally put her I would personally put you're also W as high as me I would put it just ahead of no actually put just ahead bring the bring the alliance back together she's a better character than e like more personality from what we saw yeah okay you're right you're right you're right Tom you're right slightly we saw more I at least had a social gamer competive gosh can you believe alen is breaking them up again just like in the game Tom wants to break up the Via Valia Alliance here on this draft well you know all three of hung out the other day that they theyed besties yeah they're all besties all three of them so you know it's a power it's a power Trio if they were to come back and play the game again let's move on to someone that I don't know if this person's going to need to come back and play Survivor I just noticed today he's opened up an only fans he's just the posted this on Twitter so maybe he wouldn't need to come back it's Alex really yeah I don't it's a joke I don't know if it's a joke I just saw it on

1:03:00 Twitter I was like what the hell's going on here you may not need to come back Tom I was gonna say because let me double check this maybe I'm like I'm pretty sure I saw something on Twitter are you sure you w it wasn't part of your wet dream last night listen I may have already I may have already like sign up no I'm pretty sure it's saw something for me he would be the top allar or the lowest legendary for me he's like Diet Simon and see I'm right yeah wow that's crazy I mean he's cashing in while he can good on him fair enough but like someone mentioned before like the Kelly Alex rival season now could you imagine so you got Alex on one team Kelly on the other and then you also have George and Simon as rival so Simon's on Kelly's tribe and then George and Alex and oh well I'm that excited about it balloons are coming out of nowhere see you truly are like Eden yeah what can I say but yeah like that then there's like a tribe Swap and both Simon and Alex are on the same tribe could you imagine that gold like

1:04:20 And George with the Alex interaction I think he I was just trying to find it just before I sign to Alex only fans it's just him shaving his nipples talking about Kelly and T saying Alex was fun he had interesting shaving strategy so like if he had the Shaving strategy on only fans he's he was playing with danger there that's all I'm going to say he was getting pretty close to the nipple I really enjoyed Alex I thought he brought some fire to the game I mean the guy dropped an absolute freaking bomb on the way out to the point where it really got people to think you know who is the power structure and Kirby obviously running a big part of the game he kind of blew a game up and it made it pretty people pretty aware that if she was going to get to the end she's going to win and overall I really enjoyed the Rivalry between her him and Kelly as well in the season which to me was a lot of fun what were you going to put Alex Tom I said either the top of all stars or the very bottom of legendary like it's on the cusp for me yeah I can be I could be yeah I definitely think he's definitely top definitely top of all stars I'm with you there Mony thoughts on Alex I think he's legendary yes okay surely he gets legendary then next to Kelly next to Kelly I was I was I was temped to put him in

1:05:41 Legendary that's crazy I did not come into this thinking we were going to put both of them next to each other on legendary but there you have it let's move on to the next person Ry and this is going to kind of sound rude I feel like she's the first person in the merch that I almost feel like saying who like she didn't do much for me on this season she was very Bland she was long enough there to know who she was so I don't know if that's a bit harsh but she's probably a really nice girl but she didn't make the most entertaining TV in my mind so she's kind of at the bottom so mcky I'll come over to you because I feel like Tom may be pretty low on her as well she was good at challenges she was good at challenges so maybe based on challenges I'll upgrade her I'll put her ahead of Scotty at this point I Reon you got to put her above G I reckon in 50/50 I her coming back she was like a CH a challenge Beast just mashing those challenges out she was also so clueless at all of the voting like we thought Sarah fumble was bad that was also because of Rihanna like Rihanna St and all like when everything is saying no she still did it right so I P put it in 5 Mr free time is question for you m who is this who was she's

1:07:03 50/50 that's who she is she's 5050 baby Tom over to you mate where would you put her on this ranking because I really I know it's harsh but I just feel like what like outside of the challenges there don't feel like much happened there so for me is the challenges and the fact that she botched three tribals absolutely hilarious although she did deny us a Rock draw which I'm pretty mad about we would have thought thaty would have voted her down based on that alone but clearly he's not a true lover of rocks you know when you message the main producer about rock Chris about a Rock Island to us then yeah you can clearly you don't love rocks or eile enough because E's all the way down there in All Star she should be in legendary Mony I mean both Chris and I saying it but anyway no like I think he should be definitely f and above flipping Tobias and Jess she's got I'd put either her or winner at the top of I baby because she won't return because there are so many more interesting female challenges J M is she above J no like tell me one entertaining thing that Rihanna did in the first like V in the first two episodes and tell me everything that just did in the first two episodes when

1:08:23 You have less when you have less time on the season of course all your highlights are compressed into's let's not forget Rihanna was going to be voted out when well I'm gonna listen to hello here I'm gonna listen to hello is saying a what is your bias with hello knows what they know what they're talking about okay they like they just know that the opposite of what you're saying maky is normally the right way to go so if I find myself agreeing with you too often like I have to course correct you know we should get another person in chat named buy or something yeah gosh CH gosh all right let's move on to the next person here we have got kitty is the next person and again similar to I feel like re like from my end I'll start it off here because I'm not high on Kitty like I don't feel like she was a great player of this game I'd have her at like ice baby I don't have to see Kitty come back and play this game again she wasn't good at the strategy of it she tried to flip I guess at some point with Kirby and that I just didn't understand much of her game and she I didn't find her to be entertaining this season so I'm really low on her probably once was enough and she's kind of right there with r

1:09:43 But re won more challenges so for me that's probably why I'd have R above her at this stage mcky where do you sit on Kitty I think just definely below Jason to ask me because yeah apart from having eight figures what else did she really do like at least J had more iconic moments Tobias had more iconic moments that's why I feel like kitty should be underneath J and Tobias what did the bias do oh my God he sat at the cab he did the wood it Ed the fire it do the L signs what did Kitty do hey guys you better for me because I got eight figures and R multiple businesses all right Tobias he's got the [ __ ] he's got the stuff okay so yeah I'm comfortable with Kitty sitting where she's sitting right now Tom do we need to move her from there I like her there I mean she's definitely not getting put on ever again that's for sure no way okay so now we're hitting into the top five territory we've got the next person voted out who was Kirby and I'm going to start it off with Tom cuz Tom out of all of us were the lowest on Kirby this whole season so I'm really interested to know where do you sit on Kirby now that the season has played out in its

1:11:04 Completion Legendary did you say did I did I hear you say legendary sir wait Tom we have a chance to mess with everyone here and piss off a lot of people let's put her in who I'm listen right now me out we put it if you put Kirby and who I will put Caroline and who I will do the video in that case because like to I want this to be a serious like we've done really I feel like we've actually got a really good even with your craziness M we've actually got a really good list the way it's now I wanted to play out proper Tom so where would you put it I do want it proper so Chris I will put her at the top of legendary if you put Tobias in the top of who in the top of who done yes no democracy done this is why this is why Tom would be superior at Survivor you see he understands the art of a deal he understands the fact that we're trying to make this a very credible list here and I want this list to be I want people to look at this and say yes that makes sense as fans we can agree with this list we've got a couple of wild picks in there already with Cy and Alex right in the legendary status there with Kirby but Kirby was the biggest star of this season outside of Ferris you know like those were the two

1:12:25 Biggest players of the season the whole season They Carried the season so you have to put her into legendary status right and I think that if she was to come back and play this game again she would again be very dangerous one thing Tom for me that I'm interested in and I like your thoughts on this how do you think she will go on a second time now that people know she's an athlete people know she's God game they've seen her game she was one of the people that had a big edit this season do you think that it would be something that she could adapt to if she came back and played the game again or will it be the curse of you know being such a recognized player coming back that she would be a very big Target immediately what's going to annoy me is she is going to somehow make it to the end again because people just when they're on the island with her for some I don't know I haven't been on an island with her before but people just flip and love her like she literally makes an enemy of Ferris and Garrick for no reason whatsoever and then she pins it on them and everyone believes her and like she made so many mistakes but somehow her magical social game which I never I mean I wasn't fallen in love with her or anything but everyone else was and like she flipping somehow managed to get to the end even though she made so many errors but there is a there is a bright side to this everyone loves the Tobias the Tobias move look at the comments everyone

1:13:45 Is I see it and everybody's saying legendary we've got Mr saying top of all stars but then most people are saying this Kirby saying sorry Tina saying Kirby was legendary she great representation of strong women characters in reality TV hello is loving it Gabe is on it saying it's accurate now great to buyas is a who I got of people it if you're out on the island Tom don't trust him he said to start podcast all right miky let's team up and let's do this and at every opportunity turn his back on me I just said that's like flush your idol put you out with your ID look at Mony look at this look at this is training and preparation for Survivor okay not everything that you're going to want to have happen there your way in the game is going to go your way and to was just giving you a valuable lesson in the art of You Know The Blind Side on this that's why you never trust nerds all right God my calculations yeah according to my calculations you can never trust me and you know you know that Tom was sitting on that for 31 days he was sitting there 31 moves he was sitting on that power move that he was going to play out there to get Tobias knock down to who so we could have Kirby in the legendary status love it Tom love no I think I think this is a good

1:15:05 Is I'm loving how it's setting up right now did you want to add anything on Kirby maky before we move on yeah I mean you know I kind say throughout the season she's kind of like Tony Vos and Kagan where she made a lot of moves which were like what I personally saw a lot of them as mistakes I like TR point out like making iny aling car for like literally no reason like you know flipping I still don't think it was her I still don't I know you guys keep saying that she made mistakes I think it was Garrick he was pretty vocal about the fact that he was never going to forgive her for the fact that she made that change and obviously yes it wasn't great but he burned her at that point and wasn't open to even having a conversation it was it was clear in the episode he explained his he explained his hatred for her in the game like what are you making that face on also tell me why it's a good move to make an alliance and then flip on it's not it's not but I feel like I feel like that is the one thing when you say she made a lot of mistakes in the game that is the one thing you can point out to even if she wanted to M Bridges after that they really didn't want to M Bridges with her to begin with because Garrick was never going to go with her and Ferris was going to go where Garrick was going to go in that early stage of the game when they got to the first swap she took control away from Ferris she took all of the people that Ferris wanted to work with and

1:16:25 She got that control she was constantly a couple of steps ahead of Ferris and if Scott didn't get if he didn't go out of the game the way that he did and he was there longer she would have had more agency in the game for a lot longer so it would have been interesting to see how it would have played out there is a reason that she was seen as the threat to win the game not Ferris and why Ferris needed to take out now ultimately when Ferris took out he deserved the win because he took out the biggest player but there's a reason people saw the game that way I don't think she made as many mistakes as people said I feel like socially she was playing a very good game here's a couple other things right the first one being as well right it's like Rihanna was literally going to go like she was literally gonna get voto ku's like rightand Ella was going to go get at the trouble where Kelly was you know Cent to Titans but also she got I feel like kby got really lucky at times like another perfect example when merge happened right CU she vot out at Kelly and was in a four4 minor well you know split with the other side had two Idols right you I'm not trying to discredit Kirby say she's like a [ __ ] player or anything I think she's a great player I just think yeah similar to Tony she made a lot of mistakes and she was just somehow able to recover from them whether it was luck or gameplay so yeah I' would love I'd love to see Kirby come back and I know I said that

1:17:45 I would work with Kelly in the game but I think that Kelly made it very obvious that she wasn't going to be a loyal player at that stage one of the mistakes I will admit she made was even holding on to as long as she did but I think it was out of a place of desperation because she lost the like numbers in her first tribe very quickly with that vote that she did but I agree how she started the game definitely made it hard on her we haven't even talked about her biggest mistake like that it was such bad social gameplay when she said she said to Kelly yeah so we want to vote out Raymond and then Kelly was so obviously like a no on that and instead of going oh okay well you know how about maybe Alex or eile or one of the others that she just digs her heels into Raymond completely loses Kelly like realistically Ferris should have brought Kelly in and voted out someone from Kirby's Alliance which could have even been Kirby but like the fact that didn't happen at that tribal still baffles me so like Kirby got extremely lucky that Ferris didn't pick up that extra number and then use the majority to take out her or one of her biggest allies that was such a bad move on Kirby's part yeah I just want to say I love Kirby she's a great game player i' would love to see her play again but I feel like she did make a lot of mistakes

1:19:05 But she was very lucky to recover from them and I would love to see like it could be 2.0 where maybe she is like the tonum winners at War and does play like a perfect game right so yeah so Tina here says she Lo she also lost Alex as well when you wanted to strategize with her which I think it's just at the point where she realized he was going back and forth she clearly had a problem with the way that he was going back and forth in alliances I just think that when we look at it across the board when you say that she was lucky it points out to the fact that she was socially comfortable enough that she had the connections in the game and also we're forgetting a very key piece of information here when you're saying that she made a mistake to let go of C Ferris already reached out with an olive branch at this point to her which she explained to us in the finale podcast with giving Alexon Idol in the game so giving Alex an idol in the game was information that he shared with her at that point in the game which made her more comfortable to work with herris in the game which was a great move on M but what I'm trying to say is that it wasn't just as clearcut as her losing the numbers there's maybe a reason why at that point she didn't want to go for aen Ry I could understand because Ray was his closest person in the game so she probably thought she would be closer in that alliance with him because he was starting to come over to her but I think between the two of them they were the

1:20:25 Two Heavy Hitters that were going back and forth the only thing for me is she was always a couple of steps ahead she always took out more of his players I don't want to call him porns than what he took out of hers in the game until it got to the point where he had the sole ability to get out of the game and she run out of ran Runway towards the end but you know and also if you do compare it to Tony Vos of KAG and that's my favorite Tony that's my favorite winner of all time so like you know to me that's a pretty that's some pretty some heavy praise because I don't believe Tony was lucky either I just think he was thinking that much quicker than everybody else in the game I don't think personally just for the record I don't think Kirby is close to Tony's level I know that comparison's been made quite a few times I think she's a great player but she's not Tony lck's level I think but I get with the comparisons coming from M yeah and just I think he was very lucky that he was always needed an everyone's Alliance going forward same thing with Kirby I think you know with the Swap and with post merge and stuff she was always kind of needed everywhere but it once again like once Alex had called her out as she was like singled out she had no Runway to go right and so yeah people do make mistakes as well I'm not saying she's not a legion yeah a lot of them make mistakes yeah CH chud says here if Scott didn't quit do you think she would have won I think she would have had a much better chance to win in

1:21:45 The game that was a number she lost at a time when she really shouldn't have lost him and just think about what could have happened with Kirby winner Valeria with that sort of combination if Scott stayed in the game because they were clearly starting to form something which Scott may have been some sort of a nucleus to it or she had to reevaluate her game and go over to Ferris aside after that for whatever reason yeah but does Scott squid Scott quitting help lower her Threat Level at that point like if he stays in the game and Kitty goes there or Caroline goes there do people not wake up the next day going yo Kirby's got like an Army on her side we got to we gota well this was the season this was the season where the lieutenant was never taken out this was the season where everybody was always going sorry the captain or the general was never taken out the lieutenant was always taken out they never went for the main person they were always like ah we got to weaken Ferris let's vote out aen let's vote out you know the person next to him like a Garrick earlier in the season or with Kirby was constantly like let's get re let's get all these other people around her rather than going directly for the head of the snake I don't know why they did it that way but that's kind of how the season played out overall just want to read quickly here Chris says Kirby is legendary because you have talked about her more than any other person yes I know this has gone on for a while sorry guys but I just wanted to make sure people knew like yeah she made some mistakes

1:23:06 But clearly the standout person for me this season until the point where someone took her out which was a great move so let's talk about the next person here that did end up leaving good was Ray I don't know if this one's going to be as hot of a topic as Kirby we'll go to Tom I know you and your dad were big fans of you were shouting for him the whole season where did you and your dad land on him by the end of the season were you still high on him oh definitely loved Ray and i' love to see him come back but I think in all real realisticness he would probably be at best bottom of 50/50 it would be great if like Ferris returned and Ray was his loved one similar to George and car and hero that'd be amazing and while Ray's running he falls over on the Rocks because that's something he would definitely do hilarious yeah Cindy welcome to the live saying is the nullify hi nullify take is it a South African podcast you all did fantastic long interview with FIS and Mark a few days ago I think great job guys thank you so much Cindy I am South African I live in Australia and maky who is in the middle of the screen I know you can't see him properly there is from New Zealand and then Tom is from Australia as well so we're an australasian podcast but because I'm South African I think we've got a bit of a South African flavor to it because I'm normally the one that sort of leads the podast but yeah thank you for checking

1:24:26 In with us M where do you sit on Ray do you do you sit at a similar spot with him with 50-50 you could see him come back you don't need to see him come back yeah I could see Ray come back on like some kind of Second Chance as esque type season I think it sucks because like he was really funny throughout the season but I feel like it would been great if maybe he tried pulling a lot more moves throughout the season you know like just more house cuz like looking back I think a big reason why he flipped and fought out jayen was to try and get more people to potentially look at him as like oh this Raymond guy so then he could use his Advantage for the next episode right and I would have loved to have more of that sort of chaotic Rond in the season but unfortunately he just didn't really deliver it yeah Mark is very Mark is very happy with Ray saying is an Allstar Ray at Allstar RayRay at Allstar I agree that Ray for me is a is a 50-50 unfortunately and it could be because of the edit it could be he's definitely at the top of the 50-50 for me though I definitely personally would put him at the top there but you know the edit didn't really follow him that much and whenever he was talking to the camera

1:25:46 He seemed I don't know he's a different rooster right he was very low energy in his confessionals as well so maybe that's one of the reasons they didn't go to very much his big move was an advantage that was very strange and overpowered and it kind of worked out in the scenario because it worked out the right way similar to you know if we're going to talk about luck and mistakes in the games and production potentially helping someone along then you could say you know disadvantage I wouldn't say it's overpowered I'd say it's way weaker than an idol like true only one person it's easier to get it wrong right than to get it right H yeah it's fair it's fair but yeah outside of that I don't feel like there was much going on so I'm 50-50 I don't need to see Ray back plus that performance and fire at the end was one of the worst we've ever seen M so I don't need to see that again he needs to go practice fire famous last words before I go play Survivor and I do even worse but you know like I would definitely if I was to get the call to go and play I'd make sure I go and practice fire as a very minimum I feel like okay so let's get into the next person here Mary Mark where M would you put Mary Mark I know you have had a beef with him the whole season I know you love to put him on who exactly where I'm putting him he's at the bottom of who like he's going

1:27:06 Nowhere else no he's worse than Charles all right you know you come you come for me my love for E I'm sorry you're at the bottom of who straight up no Mark I do love you but no you're actually gonna leave him there yeah no all right I'm sending this to Mark by way everybody we're sending this to Mark okay right now sha says Mark reminds me of Matt Rogers game I definitely wanted to see him and Eden more in the edit definitely need him back and then F FIS says Mark fumbled his way to the top three yeah listen I think Mark is definitely based on the people that we've already got here he's top of All Stars for me at this stage potentially sneaking towards legendary based on just there ability like you know greater Challengers great strategic player has great reads on people I'm tempted yeah I might put him in legendary actually I do I do reckon he's probably in that category like of someone that I would like to see him more than anybody else on that Allstar list to come back he was so close second chances let's get mark back out there you know if Caroline

1:28:27 Didn't do him dirty in the early part of the game he'd be up there so Tom where do you sit on him like we've got who and legendary where you on put him at 5050 just to see what happen I've had a I've had a crazy ride of Mark I remember coming into the season just not being too interested I thought it was going to be like Michael from last season the second oh I'm sorry I mean the I notic people who I haven't seen last season so I'm not going to spoil that but yeah I didn't think I'd like him and then in the first week he's playing amazing and everything and I'm like oh this is going to be like Mark's season you know that it's going to show him being this God the whole season and it's gonna be it's gonna be George 2.0 or something like that got it's gonna be like super easy and almost like boring cuz he's going to be playing so much better than everyone else but then like after swap like everything just fell apart for him and then I kind of missed seeing like all this great Mark content and I think SC yeah he started being all Scrappy and I really like liked him more and more as the season came on I Lov that he was a dolphin out of nowhere and like my favorite scene still is of him like in the Water swimming and doing the dolphin music and stuff while he's swimming and

1:29:47 You got Caroline sitting on the beach being like I need to get him out of the game like he's so this and that like that was just he's having the time of his life while Caroline's plotting his theise on the beach yeah and I wish we got to see the scene where he's teaching Viola and Valeria swimming lessons that would be hilarious but yeah I think the edit actually like the edit did him Justice in terms of making his game look a bit better than what it was but I think it actually took a bit away from his character because like the jokes he makes in the chat whenever he was watching and he's a really funny guy and everything so I think he's a legendary character and then his edit might be like high Allstar so I'm happy with low legendary or high allar yeah I put him I put him there I was like in between those two as well I feel like he nudges in there to be honest I do feel like to me personally he's above Alex though like I'd like to see him more than Alex that's what I would propose on this one here how do you feel about that how about this Chris you can move Mark above Alex and you put Tobias above Sarah you want move to the very bot list I love how mak's like trying the

1:31:07 He's trying your strategy when it's already been used he's an imitator he's not coming up with anything fresh on this thing here and it's not it's not working it's not working you're the wish version of Tom on the podcast here we've got we've got we've got Logan asking how would bar do on this season the only way bar would do well as if maky was out there playing with him that way you know he'd be running the season and maky would be his you know his Lieutenant running around with him because as soon as maky actually watches the season Banu is exactly the kind of player that maky would think is a mastermind I'm sorry spoiler I'm not watching American Sur yeah but now you're tempted aren't you watch the first three episodes and then just quit after that yeah I think like I think he should belong there for now I reckon he has more potential to become a better character than Alex in the future but stage is a better character okay yeah from this season Alex had so many highlight moments like even in the Yucatan moment like Alex made that hilarious like his confessionals were just gold be would be out there talking Mony off the ledge it would keep Mony like focused on the game maky doesn't blow up his game B would be the coach he'd be the

1:32:27 Coach to maky out there be his Guru I love how maky doesn't know anything about this like all I know is that b is like a really bad player and that's all I know and that's only just from random Faceook makes Rogue look like a genius Rog is a genius all right she masterminded her own Blind Side all right all right next person Caroline Sweet Caroline Mony where you car demonetized well you know what since Tom has gone has gone against me so many times I'm gonna put it legendary because screw Tom I don't like him anymore she's legendary she made Moves whether they were good or not as a question but like she definitely ran the post swap reeles tribe I feel like you know coming into merge like you know just as a character and as a game player I feel like had a good shot to win but I feel like with a lot of things she did throughout the merge like the winner move great she's back on top what does she do she jumps straight to the bottom of another lines do you get what I mean and so I feel like so she was so I know you were low you were low on Mark so automatically was above

1:33:47 Exactly yeah I love how quickly you jumped onto that like get him I get it down no it's I did like Caroline but there were times where it's like I feel like she could have been really dangerous in the game but she kind of went the opposite way if that sort of makes sense so i' person love to see Caroline come back and potentially see if she would change her game and how she would do if she changed her game a we bit if that makes sense so yeah to me I know hello is like she would probably end up in All Stars U because we've been thinking a lot alike today is bias all right no this time I'm going to disappoint you H I'm going to keep her at legendary because I've been high on Caroline the whole season I've been high on her like I reckon Caroline is great casting in the sense that she is that lady that goes out there that isn't fully like self-aware like you know having a go people for the food never a great strategy being the one that sort of claimed the jacket when Nathan left great TV probably would annoy the hell out of someone like Tom if who was out there the fact that wasn't willing to share but she had like all these villainous Tendencies to her which made her like cuz normally the older lady when they play the game they're the mom in this case she was like the older lady she was the villain she like she had like you know she

1:35:07 Betrayed Viola and Mark first and then she's like I can't sleep next to him now because he tried to vote me out when she was the one who first tried to take Mark out of the game and suddenly his patril is so bad in the game where she was just not she it's that simple complex where she's I'm the main character in the show and what I'm doing is clearly the good thing and whatever else people are doing out there it's bad I love those type of characters I think they're fun to watch and every season deserves to have a Caroline in it so for me personally I would put Caroline up there and I bet you she's the nicest person out there she's been getting a lot of stick from certain circles in the fandom so this PO is a Caroline love podcast outside of Tom so let's put her up there I'd love to have a chat with Carolina at the end of the season she didn't get a single vote to the end as well like you know she's the Steven Fishback of this season Tom yeah so I think I think her game was better than how the people on the island perceived her I think yeah the fact that she was so emotional like you think like she's crying in the shelter after Mark like goes against her and these people are trying to sleep and they're probably going oh my goodness this person's such an emotional player so that I think it's things like that as well as like the food the food stuff that made her like such an appealing goat to the players on the season but I do think

1:36:28 She definitely played better than the way people perceived her I also think it's very refreshing that you know she's an older lady who there aren't many older lady AR people players who are villainous so I really like that and she did she was fun to root against as a villain like I enjoyed being against her so I definitely think she is a great character of this season now I don't know if I'd go as far as legendary I'd put it at the top of allar because I feel she struggled a little bit when it came to providing like those tantalizing like sort of confessionals and like big character moments like there was that there was the confessional where she said like they say they say Valeria hunts wol in Russia well you didn't like it oh you could come on guys you knew how like she was really trying hard to like well wolves are nothing compared to me I'm like Oh my go back home take an acting class then come back and say it again but no like in all seriousness I think like she was great overall I now Tom we can negotiate

1:37:48 Here how badly do you want Caroline to be top of the all stars well okay this another enough to move to badly enough to move to buy us up to Ice Baby but come on Chris you don't you don't genuinely believe toas deserves to I actually do that's where my vote was in the beginning so like I personally he doesn't need to go where he was but he could be at I would put him at the very bottom of Ice Baby you know there'd be a bit of a compromise here and then we can move Caroline potentially down to All Stars you know depending on how bad you don't to St thank you very much this is this is Chris and me thank you very much let the big boys talk okay so as I was saying Chris I do you think if Tobias moves up there do you think ize baby is too blowed like we only have three who because I'm going to guess Ferris is in a who like I feel like you know we want to make the this most of them look pretty even but at the same time we can't make legendary look because once again I have a feeling that I feel like theow the crowd here is telling us something they're like let her cook in legendary status keep her there don't do it I'm just going to I'm going to pull out of it you had a moment you lost it you lost your moment I prefer Tobias and who cuz that is the most logical thing World obviously now obviously now you prefer it now that the deal's on the table no although surely you put

1:39:08 Caroline below Mark I think Mark literally no definitely not Caroline had the she was always a couple of steps ahead of him throughout this season you got to put you got Mark was going to beat her at the end Mark would have beat her either unanimous or maybe Kitty gives Carolina vote no one's voting for Carolina at the end she was literally a go you don't know this you can't say that vot out Caroline never got first she had a better strategic game a better social game she managed a Threat Level so much better compared to mark because Mark actually got voted out so Ferris why' you bring Caroline instead of Mark I mean all right let's let's start wrapping this up let's get into let's get let's get into the final person here Ferris you know Tom said who M do you agree with Tom is Ferris truly a who Tom wants to put him at the bottom that's what I screenshot thiser let him know yes like listen I thought he was a part of the ferris Alliance but shows you here Ferris has been choosing wrong this whole season when it comes to who he's got in this Alliance of his because Tom took a shot the first opportunity he got you know and he's like who like are you going to do him dirty like that m i mean we had on the podcast here last week well I mean I mean I don't know because

1:40:28 He's doing a awesome thing with the shirt on his Instagram you know in terms of an auction and I said that will a you know I want to bid in me playing the recorder for him which in my opinion that's immediately $3,000 but he still hasn't gone back to me so I don't know maybe I just got a pull 5050 is that actually where you're put yeah I'm actually go put him a 5050 unless a feris can put my bid of one recorder song to match $3,000 he's watching he's watching you boys he's on you boys he's still hereis you would have heard me say I'm gonna guess we're not putting Ferris at who but Chris is turning my words around Ian I don't know about UK but all I heard was oh and I guess we're putting Ferris at who so that's what I heard he's like who's going to get really bloated if we you know you know do this but anyways no all seriousness obviously feris standout performance this season he's got to go to the right at the top the only problem that I see with Ferris is that since he's won this is the thing that happens when we get a great play and a great character win the show you don't you normally don't see them coming back very soon you know like and he said himself a few times online I've

1:41:48 Seen it and he can obviously correct us here that he's not ready to go back even though the odds have got him in there I think there was bookie odds this week of Ferris coming back and playing the show again don't bet on those things by the way everybody but you know ferz is like let me rest let me let me get my mind back in the before I go out there but I want to see Ferris come back I want to see him play for me personally I want to see him play in the global season but the smiling assassin obviously his total body of work here Kirby in my mind was always a couple of steps ahead until Ferris took out and that point it was the crowning moment you took out the biggest threat you didn't take it to the end of the game you understood who you needed to sit next to you also made the right decision of not sitting next to Mark you probably would have stole won but why make it more difficult like why take the harder route the never for any future players never get GID into a position where you're like oh I'm gonna I'm gonna sit next to the best let the best Duke get out at the end you want to sit next to the person that you know is an easy win in my mind at the end so I feel like textbook play and then on top of it Ferris was the most entertaining character this whole season carried the professional so how can you put him any lower than legendary Tom oh yeah he's definitely legendary and I like seeing Kirby not at the top I mean you said it yourself that obviously Mark's going to be a harder beat than Caroline so I don't know

1:43:08 Why Mark's behind Caroline but I don't know I don't know anymore hey we're talking about FIS here can you stop focusing on Mark beautiful Bal hit on the cor I'm still waiting for I'm still waiting for gar to get ahead of Nathan thank you very much you guys wanted Nathan you guys wanted Nathan in 50/50 so now he's living there okay he's like firmly planted himself in the middle there and the power of the jacket is what got him into the 50-50 spot and something about Ferris here's an interesting you know point to bring up like yeah could was ahead of him strategically but I feel Ferris was always kind of ahead socially just on some of the moves he was doing like for example when he told everyone he had an idol I think I think that's why he wasn't targeted at all for a lot of times because I think people were too scared to go for him right and then also on top of that how he clocked the all girls Alliance and stuff as well I feel like definitely sort of once I say after e got taken out and that's when Ferris then definitely started becoming more head of Kirby both strategically and socially just because his positioning was a lot better than hers the defy Premier strategically she was ahead of him but even stuff with like you know giving Alex the idol telling everyone he has the idol I feel

1:44:28 Socially because of that he was always W St here because people were too scared to Target him but strategically yeah could he was hello the reason is because Tom and mcky this is a part of a deal for them to get that free subscription to his only fans they have to have legendary status here otherwise they lose that all access you know all you can see access that they currently have of his only fans but well I'm just trying I'm just trying to figure out the strategy you know so I want to see what he's doing so you know I'll go on the next season and then I'll put out my only fans next and I'll see all of you obviously on there no doubt I just want to see the you know no so listen I think F's Big Move like as he explained it last week was you know teaming up with Kirby a lot a lot of Seasons we see Seasons where people go head-to-head all of the time you see if we'd love to have you back man we'd love to have you back on the show we think that you would be a great returning player and also you know hopefully we get to see The Smiling assassin 2.0 because I would be interested to see what someone that's got house money would do if they go out there and play the game again you know we haven't had a two-time winner yet over here so it'll be good to see if we can get a two-time winner in Australian Survivor but yeah for me I think the big move was the fact that he did

1:45:48 That whole little play with Alex with the idol sharing information understanding that information is curreny which is such a subtle move in the game that played off massively you know and choosing certain people like Raymond I can understand why he said Justice for Raymond because Raymond was his ticket to the end Raymond was never going to betray him like he had that one person that he knew he could rely on until the end of the game so he chose his alliance members very carefully and then turned his enemies into alliance members which was a great gameplay overall so overall absolutely loved it f says Raymond should have taken first out with his advantage biggest move ever would have been but yeah like we said Raymond would have never done that he was too loyal to Ferris in the end should have been Tina saying I'm hoping for players Ed Chris is saying this tier list is wild excuse me Chris I feel like this is bang on the money like if I had to get someone to recast the season or get a Allstar season those are the players we want to see Ferris Kirby Kelly Alex Caroline and Mark and I feel like those were the stars of the season I honestly feel like we did a good job if we could get no one else return but those players those would be my first choice and then if any of them can't make it you know for any reason we've got our next here which is Eden Jaden Valeria

1:47:09 Aen and Viola which I think is pretty solid and then the rest of it you know we can call it a dayve for now but I'd be happy to see any of these players come back I think it was a great season overall I really enjoyed it we spoke a little bit about rankings before we went live Tom where would you rank this season is it too early to rank it in comparison to the rest of the seasons out there no I think I'm not one for recency biased like you know people always go on about it but like after Heroes vs villains everyone was saying that was the best season I'm like no like you know Season Two is definitely still better than Heroes villains but I do think Titans versus Rebels on a whole was more consistent it had a better balance in terms of the format and the twists like some of the twists in season two really harmed some episodes and made them feel a bit dragged out and of course Tara made it to the final I know some people haven't seen all of it so I'm not going to say anything about season two never mind yeah I think Titans versus rols is number one and then season two is like just below it for me I'm very biased I love Champions versus contenders 2 it's probably it was my favorite season coming into this season I wasn't as high on the Heroes versus Villains hype as most people were it was a good season maybe number two for me but I kind of liked Champions verus contenders 2 a lot

1:48:29 I think it was one of the best Seasons that we've seen and this would compare to that for me I hate comparing a season that has just finished but probably because of how we know it sort of finished and with Ferris getting the win in the end probably would tip it to number one potentially for me but stay tuned we will be doing at some stage we will be doing a proper season ranking with some other content creators as well you'll be surprised of some of the people that will be taking part on that I'm pretty sure it would be exciting for a few people who are really in the Australian Survivor circles so we're really excited to do that later on when we've got an offseason after Survivor us has finished so that should be good Cindy says do you all know if it's confirmed that they will have a global Allstar season with fan favorites from the international franchise hopefully the Australians don't bulld the other contenders it's not confirmed yet but I think there is a very high likelihood that will happen and it most likely will be done by the Australian franchise I think because you've got Survivor us available to everybody over here Survivor South Africa is also available on 10pl so people know who the players are if they've watched 10 play so it's a good chance they could bring if they want to bring from each franchise if they want to bring them over or it could just be a US versus Australia season as well I could even see that playing out which would be really good overall really good

1:49:49 Cast gab at season two then Titus was in top two Australian Survivor season agree with you bra versus is my favorite see everybody's got their favorites that they liked hello says every episode was good for the most part while other seasons have dud episodes even if great Seasons which make this one special I agree every single episode was good season two I think had better gameplay Titus versus Rebels was messy but still fun I love recency biased you're loving in the past man living in the past live for the now if you truly living for the now You' be here Kahuna say thanks for covering the season love hearing you all yes even you Tom that's the only time you'll hear it from gabe'll be back to Gabe is your true rival I want to see you and Gabe out there in a rival season my rivals a Pikachu geez there you go Earth yeah I think I think that Tom's probably you know because he's made out of what 90% water it's not a not a bad place to be how much water is in human body like 90% or something % 90% how do you think we work then fad says clearly if there's like a trivia Challenge on Survivor I'd fail f characters and story lines makes this easy number one parallel narrative with satisfying winner is crazy and Cindy saying South Africa

1:51:09 Survivor was really good and almost as brilant as strange Survivor I had read that it was canceled due to poor ratings yep it's on ice at the moment all right that is it here for tonight I have to go to bed get up early tomorrow but I don't of fun talking about this season with everybody ranking the players we'll make sure to share this somewhere probably get a couple of players happy and a couple of players not so happy about it definitely clipping the whole Mark bit and where you wanted to put Mark M because I feel like he needs to know the bottom right at the bottom but yeah we Thursday night we're gonna have mcky and aen on the same interview so that's going to be a lot of fun and we will hear the extended version of you now I'll make sure to do it at the end of the podcast so that we don't lose most of our audience when we do the interview what else did you want to say oh I just wanted to say just a really quick plug if you don't mind Kahuna and I last weekend hopped on a podcast and we discussed windos and Skin Walkers do they exist do they not I wore my windo skull for a good Chun of podcast as well and yeah I highly recommend checking it out if you just want to see two guys like you know like banter and TOA is a perfect podcast to go to it's on the kahun Vision Channel there you go thank you everybody we will

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