Steve Khouw Interview: Australian Survivor

0:00 Sneaky Steve welcome to the nullify Tech Channel how you doing I'm doing great look at me actually I got to do my part I'm going to look the part I just found this is the Red Heart Foundation I always try to promote something good so I just gotta wear this I look like a Japanese warrior don't I it's amazing yeah you do actually you do look like a samurai warrior on the on the channel I like that yeah so give people a little bit of an idea well you can't put that on and I'll tell us what is the foundation for give them a bit of a shout out since you've got it oh I see it's really all about having a healthy living keeping your heart going and strong and vibrant and all that kind of stuff especially for all age people like me I'm three scores and three years young now you know my birthday was three or four days ago I don't know it's part of dementia you don't look it you probably get it all the time but you look like you're still like in your early 40s oh thank you if you're a girl I would marry you straight away yeah 100 listen sneaky Steve so happy to have you on the channel we were so excited when we saw that you were going to come back for Heroes versus Villains but we had the shock of all shocks when we saw that you were in the villains tribe because we thought you'd be a hero how did you respond to being a villain out there I don't know I thought well actually it was my

1:20 My bloody fault I thought I'd be better in the villains try because I can get away with blue murder I mean I'm trying to kill people every so often and so and so I asked the producer you know hey put me in the villains so I can show up show off what I really can do and yeah in a sneaky way that's what that was the original plan but that didn't work out you know George got in the way you know what I'm saying yeah well listen George got in the way for a lot of players this season you weren't the only the only person so how surprised were you to see fellow villains out there you know some of those were players that you've played with before and Shawnee who what was your initial sort of reaction to landing on the villain speech and finding out who were in the same trip as you what I was hoping for the likes of shawnee's and the best symptoms are more plays that I've admired you know in Australian Survivor people like George and even Mark Wales also and Dave I was hoping but that George got in so I was I was happy in some ways no matter where I thought oh gosh I he's going to be a danger to everyone so we need to just get rid of him as quickly as possible but Johnny was there because it there's a bit of a history behind that but I was so happy also to see

2:40 Jackie she's she was also in my first season if you know right Jackie Glacier and she's a really nice dear mum to me basically she hasn't got any kids so she adopted me basically you know but then it didn't work out you know she did something crazy in the first few days or so and oh well but they're really disappointing yeah to see her go out that boy we wanted to see her have a fighting chance and obviously it's never fun to see people going out on these challenges so early on were you surprised to get the call back for Survivor after this long you've sort of been outside of the Survivor circles what was your initial reaction when they phoned you to say hey Stevie do you want to go out there and do this thing again I was ecstatic I thought I you know I deserve a second chance in so many different ways I got stopped out so early and but that's about that my own bloody fault because I didn't know what I was doing then but you know after a certain time you know you get to see how things move on and how things are done I thought I should try and get it back in again and what I did is that the old wardrobes that I wore in 2018 I kept it in a box and I label it for my return and it did happen you see and so I wore the same wardrobes essentially for this season and you know it brings back a

4:00 Lot of nostalgia in so many ways especially seeing Shawnee and Jackie there that make a big difference for me so what you're saying to me sneaky Steve is I need to select my wardrobe before I go out there and write on their future Survivor player and champion before I even got out and then I can manifest it and it may become true yeah that's all right it's no difference to you going into the bathroom every day you have to brush your teeth and then you see it in a mirror you see yourself and then you see an affirmative you know like statement saying I'm going to go into Survivor right same sort of that wardrobe remind me about coming back to Survivor well Steve it feels like there's still unfinished business for you because you got very close to the merge this time you got very close to the jury is third time the charm in the works for you is that something that you know you'd still want to go out there do you still feel like you've got something to prove out there you know what I put their wardrobe you know on my clothing back into the same box and I was thinking of making a different statement after that you know what there are a lot of great talents out there that I've met in a Survivor fandom and there's a lot of people there who's so eager to get in and regrettably most will not get a chance you know

5:20 Only 24 contestants so I feel really terrible if I try to go for a third time because you know these people are just going to miss out and really we need some fresh blood you know there must be an apprentice Georgie out there or even Apprentice sneaky Stevie to go out there so I would say no I think I better hang up my buff but unless it's like you know one of those All-Stars favorite versus fans kind of stuff yeah why not but it was just you know the ordinary folks out there we should give them a fair go I think that's I totally I totally agree with you I actually did a video on my channel pretty recently that said do we need returning players in the next three seasons and I don't think we do I think the next three seasons bring some new Legends and make some new Legends in the game but then in the future I've got the Survivor South Africa cap on that says Return of the outcast that was their last season that's the theme I see you coming back in because Return of the outcast was pre-merge tribe versus emerge tribe and it was one yeah these Seasons we've seen in a very long time and I feel like sneaky if there's ever that type of season you should be out there and hopefully you know keep training it's an amazing you've got to be in it you're going to be like you know feel it because if The Unfinished Business

6:40 Thing you know in your brand it really sap your energy if you don't do something about it you know it's so obsessive to some of us and we need to just get it done eventually yeah I fell for that yes let's get a little bit into this game of yours you land on the beach there you see Shawnee you know you're wanting to get her out very early on because she was a part of The Blind Side in your first season but you had to like shift gears quite a few times because it looked like Shawnee and Liz from what I saw as a viewer got in really good with the boys and the boys wanted to work with her in those early stages which meant you had to sort of wait on that plan a little bit what was those early Dynamics like between the Shawnee the Liz the Simon the geordies who you're trying to work with as well and why was it so difficult to make a move against Shawnee early on because fastest fans looking at it from the sideline we think to ourselves Shawnee and George easy decision they've got to go first they're the biggest threats in the game yes absolutely well you know earlier on I was in observation mode I was trying to get some Intel and I although I know about Shawnee and George but I was more interested in the in all the new newbies I want to get to know them and create some kind of bonding

8:01 As much as I can mainly to neutralize the all the returning players who you should know what they're talking about you know and what to go about and how to create some form of tactical overview you see what I'm saying so I only at the beginning I only realized that Shawnee wasn't really a big threat at in my humble opinion it was George I was very concerned about so I was trying to figure out a counter force and I found that in the likes of Jody and Simon and I thought this is the best way forward is to try to create some kind of a an alliance with these two to guys and from there grow it and then add a few a bit of spice you know at the girls in into the team particularly Jackie but you know as you know she went out a bit earlier than we expected that was my original plan and I want to stay under the radar as you know in the first few days just getting the feel this kind of Rhythm in the in the tribe you see and also there was also another complication in that we pretty much star for three days because we couldn't get the fire going we're so damn man so oh it was it was

9:21 A struggle someone race was struggling so much as well she was starving to death essentially and you know groaning whether she's sleeping or not you know like it was pretty tough and it was three days I say I can imagine like listen I don't think it would be easy for anyone that's not we're not none of us are used to being out there in the wild without the comfort of our own home you know and a nice fridge that you could go to go get a snack if you need it or stay warm in the evening question for you and this might be a hot topic one but obviously George you know he gets injured very early on in the season he ends up leaving the game he's not at the first vote how do you think things would have turned out if George was there do you think the momentum was there early enough to take a big player like him out or do you think that you know him sort of getting injured is never a good thing for anyone but it was in that first round secretly I was hoping he'll come back and you know after that incredible medical episode no I want him back because it would be a whole Victory if George didn't turn up back right I really wanted to make that move early myself to remove him out of the game completely so I was I was actually a stoked happy to see that so

10:42 To rephrase to rephrase that question a little bit do you think he would have been in danger if he was back before tribal council do you think there was momentum early on to go after a big player like George actually timing wasn't quite right because it takes a bit of momentum to create some kind of you know a force against the might of like King George no I think he'll be safe even at the early stage people are still trying to get the feel of the Gameplay at that time they didn't quite appreciate the nature of George you know and most of his allies were on the hero side people like Hayley and flick and all that so they were on my team I say yeah they're growing force that can remove him but not that's not that's not so early you know it was very clever he's a very clever person in that sense managed to keep the Dynamics within his sphere of control so you mentioned that you try to form this alliance with both Jordy and Simon and then try and bring in some of the girls to take out George now obviously we know that didn't work out so well what do you believe what was the biggest weakness of that Alliance why

12:02 Did that Alliance not stay together and obviously we saw some of it play out on our screen but behind the scenes what sort of prevented that Alliance from taking control off their tribe yeah well behind the scene and behind my back it all went Pearl shape when Jordy decided to work with George we have you know and I that was a blind side for me I didn't know he was doing all that maneuvering behind our voice lines so when operation Anaconda was hatched we were just ready to get him if everybody does what they're told to do which doesn't happen to Survivor by the way George would have been out George would have been out I can I just you know with the benefit from hindsight I would think that way so but unfortunately people like Fraser also were very easily swayed the other way and he actually suffered the consequence thereof later on now I think what happened there it was just when one decide to do something different the entire plan is sunk quite easily so you've got to be very certain if you want to get rid of

13:22 Such a big character like George everything works I did try but I didn't realize Jordy was already sleeping with the Enemy if you know what I mean no 100 and obviously at that Tribal Council that is when a lot of things come to a halt and you've got George probably in what I think is one of the best tribal councils I've ever seen on Survivor you know I don't give that credit easily sort of forcing Simon's hand in regards to playing an idol what he thinks is an idol on you what was it like sitting there and seeing this all play out in real time because obviously we get a snippet of it on the TV screens yeah look one thing the audience would never appreciate is the intensity in the air you can cut it with a knife it was so tense so amazingly you know like you don't know what's going to happen next but if you think about it that's George Plan B because we didn't expect to have an immunity Challenge in a tribal council as far as I recall it's a very first time I've ever been done in the whole goddamn world right and so and in that immediate challenge of all people to win it's Simon yes that was George Bush you know

14:42 You know he was his first priority to get rid of because these two had this incredible Dynamics you know love hate kind of stuff for days on days on days and we all had to put up with that so we thought okay let's end it here but it was something that I wasn't it was incredulous to me because I was looking at George is he kidding is he is he just playing or whatever and especially when he used me as his prop to challenge Simon and then I it just dawned to me halfway through all that you know that drama that maybe George was trying to do something different you know what I'm saying and it worked out to me later on that I realized maybe I wasn't a bunny after all right and it didn't have to be that way yes and you did something earlier that day that was very interesting you went to George before that Tribal Council and you buttered him up quite a lot talking about how good of a player he is and how much you admire him on the podcast I had a theory and I'd like for you to tell me if I was wrong or not I thought you played it up a little bit for strategy was that the case there and did it sort of work going into that Tribal Council

16:03 Yeah Chris look if you on if you are likely to be on a chopping block on that day right before we walk into Tribal Council I can feel it people trick you a little bit differently and that's how I felt something strange with Jordy and Fraser these two were acting a bit funny and I couldn't figure it all out and I felt you know just for insurance and for leverage you know it's time to butter up George and what I said to him was actually the honest truth that was my impression of him I do admire him a lot I saw him in this season that guy would go a long way just unfortunately was cut short at the end and I as I said I recognize him to be the biggest threat so I just say all I had to say to create some kind of understanding between him and me then and there and that kind of like work in many different ways because if it's a choice between Jordy Fraser and I always hope I was thinking that George would not you know take me out and that's actually did what happened and yeah he did acknowledge

17:23 It I think from memory in the tribal council that you know he recognized my sharing my feeling about him help him decide his final you know movement yeah so obviously he did saved you moved over to the to the Simon's side of move away from the Simon side of the alliance she started working a bit more with George and you get into a new tribe with him there was a few times there where Simon tried to get messages across to you there was the whole operation Destiny the triangle that he said that they should do can you Enlighten us the audience a little bit more about that because I think a lot of that happened off screen we didn't see when that was discussed yeah because you understand that you know in an hour and a half episode so much to be squeezed that's actually that's quite a lot up there that could have been put on air but well you know physically impossible look what happened was that the during the early days when we were being massacred by the hero strike because we don't have the mass that they do and we kept losing and the morale in the villain's tribe was just so low

18:43 My toes actually that's how I feel and so what I try to do is try to you know create some kind of Happiness within the tribe some you know some positive vibes and I do it by you know helping them out with things like doing a bit of Tai Chi in the morning it's not really Thai cheese Taekwondo but different anyway just and meditation and mindfulness exercise and try to create some kind of Life testing that in a campsite so in the morning exercise usually I end up with this symbol here right it's a triangle and it's actually we I use that in martial arts to visualize my destiny my desired outcome and I shared that among the my trademate so this is your destiny you're gonna win today aren't you yeah that kind of stuff and that's got stuck and everybody knows about it and Simon took it to heart that this must mean something spiritual or something you know more important than just a symbolic icon or something and it became an important element in the villains tribe and it was also

20:05 Adopted by The Voice as you know as part of the gamemanship and yeah interesting and Guitar Hero do you know anything about it so it was a good thing to signal to me what they're on about and Simon always wanted to maintain the connectivity with me I felt he's got a sense of guilt about what happened you know in that epic Tribal Council and he wanted to make up for his you know the appearance that it looked like he's not with me and so that is the link between me and the other tribe through Simon essentially as you know as progress on did you win flick and I believe it was Maddie came over to you to have a conversation about potentially flipping with you did you actually consider it due to that and what was it like you know after Simon did sort of turn against you were you still open to working with Simon after that was that was to me was a great moment because all the Steins were there the triangle the you know the metaphor with respect to the stars in the sky and all that kind of stuff and I my gamemanship was to stick

21:25 With George because you know like I knew he's going to hanging there and basically until merge that was the whole plan actually and then to swap over to the other side and in order to get rid of George I've been trying to get rid of George nothing personally if you're looking at this you know I'm still your mate I think listen if George was angry at everybody that tried to get rid of him at some point I think he'd be angry at everyone Steve yeah but the thing is the thing is that what everyone don't realize is that if you stop up you that's the you're dead meat as well so at that time when they approached me it wasn't the right timing because it was so close to you know almost to merge and I and George he is an amazing poker play you know not many people know about this so there's two things about George what he's a political you know animal he literally he works with the labor party so does he talk a lot of politics out on the island oh it to me he does because I'm also a political animal but from the other side so I like to have a bit of a banter with him so I got to know a lot and I got to know a lot about him in terms of his political Nuance like his staticums and his tactics which I find quite complementary to mine so where

22:45 Else he's very good strategy I was very good with tactics you know like especially in the in the challenges you know get the numbers right and he confirmed it with me all the time anyway that's the exact digression there and so what happened what I was just where am I so you were saying things people don't know about George he's very political great strategist I think you were going on about a few of the behind the scenes in addition to that he's an amazing poker player I played poker with him and with Jackie and him at one stage after the fact right and he's able to read people's mind in people's body language so and I felt that when I was on the island with him and I felt if I give him the wrong signal even just a slight bloody a twitch through my eyes or something I got you know I said okay so I had to play cool all the way but I was also intrigued with what the other sites are up to I was trying to get some Intel that I could pass on to Alliance just because I don't want any surprises on our side of the game you see and that's why it was an amazing kind of I guess affirmation that things are moving in the right direction as far as my gaming ship because you know if that's what they're talking about is

24:05 True then come merch then I can actually make my way to remove George it's an obsession that I had to keep to myself and you know I need to shout out when I go you know to the world that kind of stuff that you know I don't want to tell people too much because George is a very sensitive guy you know like he can see all this coming yeah so it's interesting because there's a point in the game where they have to make a decision right between yourself and Matty and the way that the show sort of portrayed you was that you were smoking mirrors you were looking for votes or doing certain things that potentially wasn't there and it and the show made it look like they went for Maddie because he was the safe option and if you look at how the show played out it almost looks like the right decision because Matty never rocks the boat he does what George wants Until the End you know if you had to take yourself out of it do you think now in hindsight that for George's game he made the right decision or would you have been loyal to George still after the merge as well what was your plans if you were to get there would you have rocked the boat a bit more than Maddie now as it turned out that would have been a good decision for George if you look at from a strategic perspective simply because I'm going

25:25 I was going to turn against him anyway after the merge as I shared with you but his decision there was confounding to me not that he gunned for me he read in Matt simply because George Washington George himself if he were being accosted by at least you know on hindsight he would have no bar of that he would just say let he would make the reservoirs fought against lease and get her out because you know his authority is at stake and then he would make it a show of listen to the likes of Shawnee don't ever muck around with me that's going to be the result but he didn't do that he was actually he was it was a one of those moment of weakness of George where he had to do what he think he had to do and there's no other person other than metal right to choose from Jerry is extremely loyal to George and George knows it he's got that in his bag and the only thing that he missed out

26:45 Was the Tactical I guess Viewpoint they come from me after I figured out but you know in all in all I think George did make the right decision as it turns out and he was right about flick and in fact in this there's truly no one to blame but there are somebody that I would like to say and comment and that's flick how she managed to convince those two girls right that was a great gamemanship and it got me out of that I have nothing but accommodation for what she did it's safer it gave her a couple more days basically until they figure out what she's up you know so that was interesting you mentioned that Stevie because after her first season there was a lot of talk out there that if she made the final in that first season she would have won based on her social game and I feel like seeing this play out for the first time as a fan I saw what social game people were talking about because yeah to go up against George Toe to Toe and to be able to add Fox him in a way to stay in the game to get to the merch was absolutely beautiful to see did you feel like in some ways you were strangely still involved in the season after Liz

28:06 Won because Liz won based on this move where she went against George and she spoke about that at the end which you know I found it interesting because for me as a student of the game it showed me that it's all about the way you sell the move to the jury because in hindsight flick was the wrong move but it showed that Liz was her own person on the island and that was enough to get her the vote to win yeah well I I must say with all honesty that at least did finish very solidly her last few miles was fabulous in everything in every respect not just game and ship not just tactics not just strategies not just winning the last challenge you know she did everything just beautifully and it's by the book and if any Survivor fan who wants to get into it you should learn from least final few days of move right but from my observation when I was there Liz was struggling not with the with the human dynamics but more about Survivor she was in I must say and this behind the scene but it's true she was in hunger pain for

29:26 Days and days until that pain subsides which is around 15 days right and then you know the body will do something different as you couldn't stand it she was so hungry she and because she said an athlete she's lean and mean and happy metabolism right yeah and I felt she wanted to quit that early because she just couldn't handle it so we in some way my relationship with her is extended on keeping her motivated as I tried to motivate everyone else and it wasn't in the in the cut but I did everything for her from free massage to doing her hair and you know even I made a comb out of offcut and for Flickr because girls they get jealous and so she's an amazing lady to be able to finish giving that she suffered at the very beginning and you know like all athletes she has amazing patients better than Saint Pat's and she also has this mental The Faculty that I've never seen before I've seen her in enduring challenges where I was involved as well

30:46 And I said wow she'll do well of the merge because after much it's less physical challenge more of the endurance type and that's I've got a funny feeling she's going to get this if she plays a card right now Steve she did she did and congratulations to Liz was a very impressive finish but you talked about fans and you talked about people that look up to players like yourself that own the game I've got a big fan of yours my co-host Mucky waiting to come onto the show [Laughter] hello you're going to be gentle with me you know don't just model me with too much love you know I've cried you it's going to get a big hit before you know it he's not going to talk to anyone because you're going to give him too much love monkey exactly honestly like everyone talks about Island of the idols Boston Robert Sandra I reckon Dutch Market island of Idols I've used Nikki Steve you know I've been a big fan of you ever since 2018.

31:47 You know I'm I've messaged you quite a few times on Instagram as well yeah I love everything you do mate yeah fantastic thank you can see I was having a blast I was having fun I mean that's I mean what's the point of going down and be miserable right and even though you completely balance of the challenge and you know you don't have much food come on guys you know I don't know that's what it's all about isn't it eh yeah exactly listen and that's one of the questions I actually have for you is you had these light moments there you had fun moments What's the moment you know that you're going to remember for the rest of your life out on the island that was maybe shown or not shown on the screen well you know finally enough it's a serious moment where I became very close to the lack of Maddie and Jerry but that wasn't actually highlighted in the edit but it was it was extremely close I can't explain it's just somehow we connect and sometimes that amazing energy and it that romance kind of feels and then the funny thing about is after it's all said and done to this very day we meet I've stayed at Jerry's place I stayed at Maddie's Place got to know their family and everything else and the

33:07 Thing is that I find it uncanny because it's more of a spiritual connection than you know crazy because friendship takes ages to flower right just for Jerry and Matt it just happens all of a sudden so there must be a spiritual Dimension that's something I can share with you guys that really did happen yeah it's interesting because I've had the opportunity now to talk to an interview quite a lot of survivors like I've had Survivor viewers players on the show I've had a lot of survivors of Africa I'm from South Africa originally so I've got that connection and then I've had quite a few Australian survivors on the show as well Mark Wales who you spoke highly off in the beginning such a big such a big supporter of this Channel and just the legend of a guy outside of the game he's done a lot for the podcast behind the scenes so I'm always appreciative of that but one thing I've noticed Stevie is that with the players that get selected they're all genuinely interesting and dynamic people because the show want to cast those kind of people how difficult is it when you're playing the game you sit at home and you think it's all about me winning I'll easily cut people when I'm out there but when you get out there you suffer together you meet these very charismatic people out there how difficult is it too blind side and stop the dreams of these people that you've grown closer to on the island yes it's true it's so true I guess when you

34:27 You there with them chopping woods and you know getting coconut out of trees and all that kind of stuff if funny enough you start to bond with them you're starting to get really to know them and empathize with them and feels like you know well you know I don't want to get you out because you know like you're a good guy you know like they're really good guys and girls they really are well most of them are anyway for that matter well we had two funny ones but anyway it's another story so it is awfully hard and so what I have to do is just take the emotion out when it all happened and that's why I'm okay with the way how I turn out in the game you gotta you gotta switch off the emotion you gotta look at the overall mission the strategy I look at Milestones I need to make you know I'm going to beat my last time I was on Survivor you know and then I've got to get past Stripes swabs and then the next one was merch who didn't work out but you know those kind of Milestones sleepy Steve third time's the charm you'll get there I've got no doubt you know all you need is for Mucky to also be out on the island with you and you'll have your First Alliance member Mucky you've got Stevie here on

35:49 You know like when I saw you like rumored to come back I was thinking oh my gosh you know I'm so excited to come back then when you're a little bit intro came out as well I was like there's no way my boy snooky Steve is coming back so how did you feel you know like being able to come back no words can describe it Mucky this I was just a modern aesthetic I was wetting my pants so I would have the severe battle incontinence you know like it just goes on and on and I was just spraying everywhere basically no I can't describe it because I felt that the I guess that producers got a lot of faith in what I can show and it's not just for the purpose of getting me to get up to the become so Survivor but they see the value in me you see the way how I connect with other people and the people that on the other side of the screen the audience in my first season and I just like making friends and being engaging with everybody and I just can't help myself I say things I blurt it all out and then my brain realized oh did I say that you know that's and that's

37:09 Where all those one line has come from because I just said it as it goes it just ran away I couldn't take it back you know after a while so yeah do you watch the do you watch the Survivor Us and other Seasons as well are you predominantly Australian no I do every so often watch I you know what I love right now is actually this stuff happened the last South African all right it was fabulous so you know exactly what this is when I showed you the return of the album yes yeah yes absolutely amazing yeah because I'm I was just gonna say you almost remind me a little bit of yum yam who's playing in the current Survivor us season where yo he's the same he's just a lot of he's like a bundle of energy he sees what he thinks you know when he's out there similar type of thing and I think that's what the producers ask you to come back because you know even when myself and Mucky spoke about that before the season started we said you know as a game player you haven't got into that hurdle of getting to the merge yet but as a as a personality on the show you're a legendary tier personality like there's only one sneaky Steve and there will also only ever be one sneaky Steve on their screens and Australians yeah you blame that on my mum and dad you know Steve you're one of the sneakers Survivor players ever to exist both my sneakiest thing you've done on either of your Seasons I've always been very sneaky

38:29 In so many different incremental way I couldn't think of one that highlight you know what I did that make me so sneaky but I've always tried to create some kind of distrust and mistrust among the people around me and it drew misdirection of some sort and I honestly Mikey I can't think of one particular episode where I was extremely sneaky but just by my personal I try to sneak around unfortunately thinking of Benjamin when he got into the tribe because they were calling him sneaky as well was there a battle between you guys for being the most sneaky out there or you know why do you think Benjamin was perceived this way well if Benjamin was Benji was a guy who I guess he is his strategies is to be sneaky more than to create alliances and that provoked a lot of attention on him that's unnecessary really when I went into his tribe in the heroes Camp I find him a bit you know like sneakily untrustworthy but I'm sneakily trustworthy people still trust me but I sneak around behind

39:49 Them and as someone is thinking movement is really just to gather intelligence from the others by pretending to be something I'm not really right momentarily and that team seems to work we're by Ben regimen he does it pretty much head on you know front on and that's a difference and so he's straight on to the onto everyone's rather I can sneak along just under the belly you know that kind of stuff that's how it's about which of the new players that played this season do you think like we said next three seasons you're in agreement we need to create some new Legends we don't want to see players come back but three seasons onwards if their producers had to look at the newbies cast from this season who do you think deserves that callback to come back and play again who do you think has got potential I think phrases got immense potential and it just regularly he was you know ignition bystander in this particular season but I reckon Frasier would go out there it just regardably he didn't make some of the moves that he made what's quite sneaky too you know in the way how he played one against the other the boys and

41:10 And the girls and that kind of stuff that wasn't highlighted in the in the you know when it finally it but that's because he was cut short you see yeah I'd say Fraser should begin a second chance all right Stephen we're getting close to that cut off time for you now so I've got one last question for you how would you like to be remembered by the fans of this show what if you were not to come back what you what would you like your legacy to be like on the show oh gosh I guess it's a tough question because you know I'll ask all the tough questions Stevie you know I should have warned you before you came on the podcast I'm going to give you the tough ones oh my gosh it's hard to I think it's hard to take yourself out of it and because there's so many people who watch the show and it's hard to know how people would have received you my opinion and what I see online from my side and I'm not Mucky I know Mucky would blow smoke up your ass I'm just saying it as a general Survivor fan I think you're very loved I think everybody loves you out there you know you're a beloved character on the show but you know you were out there you put your heart and soul into this thing so what would you like your legacy to be like what would you want people to remember from you basically it's

42:30 Tough to answer this Chris when you're asking questions about my own personal opinion about myself I just can't do it's just not me you know like I'm I'm happy for Maki to say what he thinks I am then maybe like incredible as a as a Stevie fan give us what's your opinion what's your take on sneaky Steve's Legacy which is yet to be determined because we know he's coming back for that return of the outcast Seasons what is this Legacy currently well you know I said she's just thinking well you guys were talking like Stevie you know your customer on the villains tribe but actually think you're one of like the biggest Heroes it was such a surprise to see you come back and every moment the interviewer on like one of my favorite moments of the season is when Michael got voted out and right before you said you know if you want Lord to go get a dog you know laughter yeah and also Stevie versus Sean we haven't even spoken about this you and Sean like that Stevie I take my head off for you I would have been scared to step up against that guy he's massive you continuously went up against Sean at the challenges I was very impressed with it I know that but I'm a martial art practitioner so I always pick the big boys because they fall quite hard when they do fall and

43:51 And but Sean done it when I get to know him when I met him in Melbourne and eventually he's a gentle giant he's just a nice guy you know I wanted to be really you know a footy player who's very aggressive it's not nothing like that it's a good guy so yeah I find that yeah Mucky what you talk about is one of those moment where my mouth went ahead of my brain so I didn't know why I did that but it became an iconic one-liner I understand that yeah but truly at that time you're looking at you know if you've got three elements to consider when you're playing Survivor you've got trust right loyalty and Faith you know don't go for loyalty because you have to betrayed yet eventually so that's why I say go get a dog because I know dogs are loyal that's why I did that I didn't mean to say Stevie we love you know you're always welcome to come back to this podcast maybe in the future when we talk about the next season if you ever wanted to come and just have a chat about the new season and the funny characters we've got on our screen there's an open invitation to you but for now where can fans find you what are you up to currently is there places

45:11 That they can follow you well actually physically I still do a lot of bicycle riding delivering food for just everybody in Sydney and that's where they can find me and sometimes you're out in the street yeah I also have you know my Instagram posts if you want to reach out to me I almost always answer everyone even all the critics you know I don't mind that I do also have my sneaky Stevie you know Merchant stuff you know which I'm going to close soon if you want to be the bit of a piece of me you can go there it's the account and you'll find it just look for sneaky Stevie and what else there yeah you'll see me soon I can't tell you oh I maybe I let the cat out of the bag amazing I ended up another Realty show oh really yeah sneaky Steve for The Bachelor I'm not saying anything no it's amazing I will I can't wait Stevie to see all this new reality TV show I know there's a lot of people like myself and much excited to see you back in our screens and I'll get the link for the sneaky Steve merchandise

46:31 From you afterwards and we'll put it in the description with your Instagram yeah yes thank you for having me I'm really I'm having a blast just talking to you guys and now I see your face no I know what you're looking like finally yeah it's been it's been amazing Stevie we've really enjoyed it I feel like I could have talked to you to you for a lot longer but I know I want to try and stay as close as possible to the agreement we had but we'll definitely get you back on in the future as well I love to all right thank you Chris thank you guys