Survivor 43: Episode 10 Review ft FlynnMasters

0:00 Foreign [Music] [Music] foreign [Music] [Music] Tech channel here on YouTube where we've got the TNT takes for you on Survivor 43 episode 10 I'm your host Chris and with me today I've got a very special guest a first appearance here on the nullify Tech Channel Flynn Masters Flint how you doing do well like I said excited to do this first time even though I obviously hosted the Survivor season rank he's never recapted the Survivor episode on YouTube before so yeah

1:20 First time ever doing that you know get the share my thoughts on this season so far in general this episode in general so yeah excited yeah well I'm excited to hear about your takes you've been doing something very different in recent times on your own channel you've been talking about Hell's Kitchen right where did that started and how did that sort of diversion happen for you because you kind of started off on Survivor content before doing that right and that's the thing I just started on Survivor and like during the summer I was like doing two survivals a week I was like okay I need a break I need to join my summer I'm gonna play around this house kitchen stuff because I did like a couple videos on that so I was like you know I might as well play around with it see how it goes and yeah safe to say it pretty much took off instantly and yeah so I've been kind of sticking with that for the time being I do plan to get around finishing my in blank minute series of Survivor soon and that's pretty much what it sounds like to do like a recap of like a seasonal Survivor and like 15 to 20 missions minutes or so I'll get back to that pretty soon but it yeah I've been having fun this Hell's Kitchen Stuff no one's ever done that on YouTube so yeah I've been I guess I kind of took advantage of it and it's been a blast too so that's awesome is there any like correlation between the two shows like is there things that you could say oh you know this is kind of What attracted me to watching it or is it just that you like the food aspect of it and are you a bit of a chef where did it come from nothing to do with Chef it's funny I like as a eight nine year old ten-year-old kid I just like just fell in love with like seeing this raging

2:41 British man just go crazy on these chefs right so and it's as simple as that and I guess as I kind of get older like I kind of like enjoy I guess that's the correlation when I kind of watch Survivor as well I kind of enjoy like the reality like the illumination part of it like the edit part of it's like oh I can't believe this ever made it that far you know and then when I watched Survivor it was kind of the same way I kind of saw the edit you know saw all the all these underdogs like wow I never would have thought that person would have made to the final five you know so I guess that's really the only correlation though it's like a reality TV elimination competition but yeah it's a pretty different show but so it's kind of ironic how that works but yeah well it seems to be going well for you I can see you've got a very active community there so everybody that's listening to this is the first time that you've heard of Flynn Masters go check out his channel here on YouTube as well as Flynn Master spelled f-l-y-n-in m-a-s-t-e-r-s Flynn's been really active even on this channel commenting week by week sometimes dropping in on the reviews so I thought why not get him on here he hasn't been able to talk Survivor I'm sure he's got a lot on his mind but also before we get into this episode I want to welcome the other half to this Dio The Cody to my Jesse or the Jesse to my Cody I don't know which one it is Jake how you doing I'm doing good I was totally here the whole time I didn't just drop in late yeah you were hiding in the Spy Shack Tony spiceshek the sub the Spy submarine

4:01 But you're here now it's all accounts right let's get into the episode this is night 17 we're quite deep into the merge but Flynn you haven't had an opportunity to talk about this season what's your thoughts on it as a as a whole what do you think are you high on it are you low on it I get very conflicting messages sometimes online about people loving it or hating it and I kind of myself inject we kind of lean towards really enjoying this season but where are you sitting so I'm kind of in the middle just it's a season of Survivor for me I guess you could say you know it's not like it's not like the cast is kind of vanilla if I'm being honest like there's not been like amazing gameplay so far it's just been like a seasoned Survivor I guess I don't really have any like high feelings either way towards it in a negative way or you know positive way you know I will say though one thing I absolutely love about this season is I love the edit we're going to final seven there's still so many strong winter contenders so I loved but I loved that about this season and I do expect this end game to be really strong because I'm sure we'll talk about I have a feeling we're in for a strong end game so far it just you know but overall so far it's just kind of middle for me but yeah I mean it's a season of Survivor it's I guess that's better than being like you know stay like a ghost island or something right where you know you can say a lot about that season for all the wrong reasons or Island the idol so yeah it's kind of my view so far it's interesting you mentioned that there isn't any like you know really big personalities

5:21 Or characters here because the beginning of the Season we had the makings of some big characters like gabler was larger than life Cody was larger than life Cody started off so big and now he's a shell of his former self like I'm actually really LED down by him because a couple of weeks ago when Cody sort of made his appearance maybe in the third or fourth episode I actually said well we haven't had a coach Wade you know sort of come onto the show in a very long time we haven't had a Phillip Shepherd we haven't had a Russell Hans we haven't had a Boston Rob or a poverty or like just someone of that magnitude refill so ever you want to call any of the Legends we haven't had somebody like that on the show in a long time and I've thought Cody might go down that road he looked like he was going to be larger than life and the same could be said also in some ways to gabler but I think for gabler it's gone more positive than Cody I've really been LED down by Cody and even this episode like I just feel these pretty vanilla at the moment what do you feel about sort of those characters and potentially the missed opportunity to create some new Legends yeah because it just doesn't seem like it's paying off at this stage and I don't know if it's because of the lack of food and people are just losing their energy I've always said I don't like the fact that we're starving people out there it's not entertaining I give them the bare minimum yeah I mean yeah I don't know I don't know again that's the thing is it the editor that's just trying to tell us which again I give credit that you know they're space in the edit hour giving us a whole bunch of contenders but at the same time you know we're losing from some content from Cody we're losing some content some

6:41 Possibly hilarious content from Cody and gabler and all that stuff you know or is it like you said the fact that they're just starving there's he's just simply not the same guy it was in day four or day five you know so I don't know yeah it's yeah that's the that's the thing we got to decide okay let's look to a couple of people here in the life that have dropped in so Christian gal very loyalists now off the channel back again Christian we will always appreciate having you here Jay as well back here as well Jay completes the perfect triangle of podcasters and he said Jake is definitely Cody okay so it's been decided here your Cody you're the crazy living person on here I'm the more Mastermind strategist yeah I don't know if it's a compliment or not Superman welcome as well hey everyone glad to see we have another panel that I'm subscribed to so obviously you subscribe to Flynn Masters as well and we've got flu Masters here with us and the channel and in the chat all right so let's get into this episode night 17 they've just had this double eviction happen and both the groups are coming in at different times here to the camp Carla is the first one that mentions that she was supposed to be left out but Sammy Jake has given it away he's spoken to her I was very high on Sammy last week like you know Jake I was like you know Sammy still has a chance of this thing but it feels like the world's starting to Cave I don't want to send me a little bit here because people talk about the fact that

8:01 He's a flip-flopper and he can't keep secrets he let out that Owen and Noel was going to do this move before they had the opportunity to come clean what was your thoughts on this part of the episode where you see people coming back and we start realizing that semi is starting to be seen as a flip-flopper I mean those were the kind of concerns I had last week of like I think that people are gonna maybe catch on to this that like he's consistently trying to play Both Sides which is obviously the way to go but I wasn't sure if he was doing everything you could to kind of keep that on the down low and it seems like Carla was not happy and it seems like Noel and Owen were not happy so she yeah it seems like people are kind of starting to catch on and his cover's blown and he got like no content this episode and it was every time his name was mentioned it was not in a positive way it was always a negative it was always yeah he's flip-flopper he is playing both sides he can't be trusted you know so yeah not looking good yeah Flynn what do you think of sami's gameplay here coming into this episode and also the fact that he's starting to get caught out have you been impressed by Sammy so far this season were you thinking he had a chance like myself because

9:22 I was still on I wasn't saying Sammy was definitely going to win but I thought he still had a winning game in him until this episode but now it seems like everybody's catching on here so I've definitely been I mean I don't know how he can't be impressed by this 19 year old going out there playing a pretty good game I've definitely been impressed by him but I will say from very early on I've pegged Sammy as a losing violinist I know a lot of people have but I've just got those Xander Mike vibes from very early on and I think this episode of like you know Jake said this all but confirmed it the fact that he had no confessionals in this Big Time episode and he went on the loved ones visit too he didn't get his letter read I think that I mean if it doesn't confirm he's a loser mindless maybe but I definitely think that's conference is not winning the game and like I said for me at first I think my explain why with all this talk about being a flip-flopper you know might confirm why he gets to the end but maybe gets no votes one vote so yeah I've been impressed but you know this episode really kind of did him in eject-wise so yeah I'm going to talk about two other people that I think is playing the middle game a lot better than what Sammy has so far because semi's tried to play this middle game he's not being spotted at this stage or he wasn't being spotted until this specific vote but there's two people I think that are doing a bit job at the at it at this stage and I think it is a winning game if you can play it right but you can't overplay it Like Jesse does say here in the beginning he has a conversation with Noel and he says that semi is overplaying it he's playing both sides

10:42 He's being called out so clearly they're on him but Jesse definitely one of the two people I think that are playing a really good middle game but he's also running the rest towards the end of the episode where he's getting very confident so we'll talk about that as we get later into the episode but he kind of sits in the middle and has all these different pockets of alliances he kind of knows where they're sitting and he's able to work and maneuver with them but he might have Kryptonite still in the game there's still someone that's on his case and that knows that he's playing a very good game so that's going to be interesting as we progress through this episode let's get into the reward challenge because they pretty much go into the reward challenge straight after this and we don't see reward challenges very often right on survive anymore I've been told that they still have reward challenges all the time but we just don't always get to see it unless it is instrumental to the story and one of the things Jake that I was really sad about in this reward challenge is that I'm not going to get points because when we did our fantasy draft and we did our point system we never accounted for award wins counting towards any points so we just did immunity challenges so even though my person and my team won this I'm not going to get any points for this but they go into this reward challenge they have to spin a metal frame around and then get a buoy to come in run through this obstacle course grab a sandbag and go over a balance beam and then I have to land the sandbag on a Podium I don't know if either of you watch Big Brother but this challenge really reminded me of Big Brother when they have

12:02 To spin in a circle and they have to run and throw ten pinballs did you get that as well Flynn well I didn't like I forgot about that challenge but now that you say that yeah it was kind of similar to that yeah it really reminded me of that and I thought you know it's always fun to watch them try and do this ten pinball Challenge on Big Brother but this one could have ended up really bad for a few people because they were quite dizzy getting out of it and they had to go over this net it's the one challenge Flynn if I was out there I wouldn't really like do it like I don't like that feeling of getting dizzy that's the thing that's why they do with big brother we were getting fed constantly now you're throwing you're starving and you're dizzy hurry not thinking straight my goodness yeah no finer Jake then you've got a person here who's an amputee you know she's got to run on a leg that doesn't have full feeling on it right and she's got to go over this balance beam Noel and she struggles through this quite a lot which is evident because how do you go over a balance beam with a prosthetic leg and potentially keep that balance and she was struggling throughout this but Noel's got this fighting Spirit where she just can kind of perseveres no matter what hell yeah dude she's she freaking killed it that was awesome I like I could just I and I liked the build up because it wasn't like a total shock but it was like really surprising like I could just tell from like the music whenever somebody else was throwing it and

13:22 They would miss and that it would go back to Noel I was just like I could just like feel it building up and building up and then finally she makes it over the balance beam and then she misses a few times so she finally makes it and yeah it was just it was really awesome I kind of got the Vibes Flynn that you know when I was watching it I was wondering if it was going to be a surrey Fields moment like we had and Game Changers where the challenge will be done but Jeff's gonna be like no we're going to continue until she actually gets it because she doesn't want to quit that's the thing yeah what I thought it was gonna be like that for the longest time that's why they kept showing her and then once she got back past the balance being like oh she's gonna win this isn't she and then nobody else she did yeah no it was it was something to be one thing in the other right yeah for sure yeah she would have like got to the maybe not one but like she would have been another you know feel good moment where they she everyone would congratulate her at the end right yeah Christian Galley says one leg come back and also assistant else should have crawled on the beam just saying I think that because she's got her leg amputated above the knee I feel like even being on that prosthetic I don't think it's as easy as we think it is for her to actually crawl on that beam because I was thinking it myself was it like almost coming off because it was like sweating or something I was like oh my gosh yeah oh my God I could not imagine oh yeah I think I think it's very I mean I understand for us we can only know what it feels like to do it with two abled legs right and we would probably crawl if we could I

14:42 Just have a feeling that because there's no feeling in that leg maybe it's like really uncomfortable or there is no real easy way to crawl and have a feeling for what you're doing while you're going over there all I know is it's very hard I mean it's impressive for her to have done what she did to get through there win this challenge against people that were ahead of her and I think more than anything else she needed this win for herself because you could tell at the end of it when she got it she burst out in tears because like she said she's been doubting herself this whole time being out there she looks so confident in herself and so confident that she's a competitor and she looks like an athlete but at the end of the day I think this meant a lot to her Flynn oh yeah I mean she's a paralympian for guys sakes you know this stuff you know waiting to stuff means a lot to her for sure yeah and it's got to be so frustrating you know have that you know you want to prove everyone wrong with your despite being amputee you want to prove everyone wrong and yet you still can't perform it's gonna be so frustrating and for her to come out on top yeah you know it thinks it wasn't the beauty challenge right that would be even a better feel good story but you know like I said she'll never be forgotten for sure I mean she'll never go down in history as one of the best comebacks ever one of the best stories ever yeah what a comeback I agree I was I was thinking the exact same thing that you just mentioned this is like you know sometimes Jeff tries to manufacture moments in the show and he's like oh you know we're going to manufacture this moment this was an unmanufactured moment it was organic and it's this is the stuff that fans

16:02 Will remember like right if I look back at the season this is going to be one of those moments it's going to be a moment that we will get people like yourself or other people like Russell muscle and whoever does these videos there will be a compilation about best comebacks and I'm sure she's going to feature in that yeah and that's the thing I kind of when this podcast said it seems kind of forgettable but yeah like you said you know I know well it's kind of a forgettable character but everyone will remember this moment you know whereas yeah it's just I want to come back you never forget it Jake big enough moment to see Noel return in a future All-Star season when we get it in season 50 or something like that because it feels like we're not going to have one before then I'm not sure I mean I really like Noel you know she did make that really good move against James you know convincing him that you know she was stealing Owen's vote just to like you know make sure that he was really going home but then actually do it on him and then also she just was kind of a badass this whole time despite you know being disabled I would like to see her again yeah but there are way too many people I'd like to see again if they had me in charge of it then I'd just say bring them all back yeah so off season podcast JK off season podcast we're gonna have to I feel like we're gonna at some point now we're gonna have to like get some sort of fantasy cost thing gun

17:22 So yeah Flynn let us know if you want to be involved in that as well but we'll definitely think about something like that Jace is reminiscent of Cass coming back and Final Four challenge in kage Yan zunamense is definitely an amazing comeback by herself did a two-leg challenge with only one and won the challenge and he also says they'll definitely bring it back if they can she's seen a zero I see her coming back I think Jeff likes this kind of story I think he was really I mean they hyped up even previously when she couldn't finish a challenge and Sammy was partnered with her and she had a moment where they actually singled them out and she had an opportunity to talk so I do think Jeff is looking for some new school characters that he can build and I feel like actually someone we've had we've had people come back for Less that's all I'm going to say we've had people that have like made no impression come back and play the game so I feel like she's got a better than no shot at being back but she had a big decision to make here Flynn because one of the favorite things that Survivor does no matter the version if it's International if it's U.S it's a U.S favorite they have to choose who to go with them on this reward challenge to the sanctuary and it's going to basically be choose three people to come with you so they're going to split the tribe up in half and half if you were ever to play Survivor would you want to be at this point in the position of Noel and make these kinds of decisions and how did she cope with the decision of

18:43 Choosing Sammy Owen and Jesse did you like those choices oh yeah like I said I mean easier said than done you know it's because I mean I you know you want that reward right it's hard to think about throwing it but I definitely wouldn't want to be in that position unless I was like at the total bottom you know I'm trying to make a majority but yeah I definitely wouldn't want to be in that position and well she chose Owen Jesse and who else oh Sammy right actually because that's the thing with it I don't really I didn't really know where Noel's game was because she had kind of a quiet edit so it's like I think she made the right move and explained up Jesse and spin up Jesse and Cody for the day that was good and trying to and obviously I think she sees Jesse as a power player and was trying to and also she worked with Owen last tribal Sammy last tribal so I think they're you know in theory the moves made sense but yeah I think just in general with what she did today she was always gonna be a Target but yeah she's kind of in a loser situation at that point I kind of think it's this right I think that Sammy she wanted with her rather than being at the camp plotting against her because she didn't that's not her biggest one yeah for sure yeah so because he's like a flip-flopper Jesse I feel like she knows Jessie's kind of empowered you could have you could have chosen either Jesse or Cody at this point because Cody is also seen as

20:03 Someone with a lot of power but it just so happens that from an edit perspective Jesse looks like the true Mastermind so she probably chose the right person to be there to try and convince but also maybe the most dangerous person because he got to see her wheel and deal at the reward challenge he's like she's too dangerous you know and I need to make a move against this so maybe it wasn't the greatest move but she did pick him obviously and then Owen seems to be her new Dwight in the game so yeah I don't know if she should have picked him like if you if you're gonna falter on one person maybe if you've got a solid person in Owen then get someone like a Cassidy or a Carla but it seemed like Noel knew the castle and Carla was coming for them Jake because she said the girls are probably back at Camp plotting against me so it doesn't seem like there's many much love lost between them and this is the thing that you know fans are really upset about this season because too many women being voted out apparently which listen it doesn't happen every season like I mean we've just had two winning women won the game in a row and sometimes these things happen like there's been 43 Seasons we've seen all different iterations of men outlasting women outlasting women alliances winning men Alliance is winning I think the men versus women argument is pretty old for me at this stage but clearly this is a clash of personalities because she doesn't get along with Carla and Cassidy Colin Cassidy doesn't get along with her so they're not going to keep each other in to keep the fans happy yeah

21:23 I don't think you know this again we've had this conversation a few times I don't think that you know they're specifically trying to take out all the women and plus the two women that are left I still think have plenty shot to win and like Flynn Master said earlier I think really most of them have a good shot to win I think that it's really up in the air right now and that's personally why I really like this season yeah I'm just excited to see yeah Jay here says and this is a bit of a hot take here by the way some people on Twitter said it looked like Cody through the challenge thoughts my thoughts is that he didn't because he practically begged her to choose him to go on this thing and he genuinely looked upset about the fact that he wasn't going to be able to have beers saying hey I have two beers for me talking about the fact that you know deals get made over breaking bread together that type of stuff so I really think Cody wanted to be out there maybe he is smart enough not to want to have the power but I don't think he is I've said from the start I don't think Cody is The Mastermind in that deal I think he's the JT to Jesse Stephen Fishback in my mind not that JD is a completely incapable player he's actually a pretty good player in his own right but we've all seen how it works out without Stephen being alongside him yeah so I don't I don't personally think that's the case but they do go to the sanctuary they

22:44 Have this moment which is you know beautiful to see they all get letters from home Jesse's one was probably the one that for me stood out the most because he talked about the fact that last time he got letters from his partner or his wife you know they've been together since elementary school or something like that he was actually a juvenile hall so it would have brought up some pretty dark memories probably for him Jake being out there and he talks about the fact that he's having to make all these decisions on his own he doesn't have his wife there who's been able to make these decisions with him his whole game but it also looks like Jake this is the kind of message he needs to continue to keep his head in the game and not let his emotions on the island overrun anything that he's got going on at home yeah I think I see a lot of times on the online discourse you know it's like why do they you know get so emotional at the family visit like you know whatever I'm like holy crap like that's that would be like the worst part for me like being away from my girlfriend and my family so just getting just any sort of communication would like just totally motivate me totally lift my spirits totally like give me more will to keep going and so yeah be I mean I would have begged to go on this reward specifically for that because I'm like I

24:04 Need that man I know that the games is shorter now so it's only like 26 days but even then that's a long time yeah zuderman and the life also saying here yes semi-cleared this in a space and he said everyone out there was playing extremely hard and never focused on the boot order that's what I don't get is people is like oh they can't vote this person out because optically it doesn't look good I don't think like people can think about that stuff when they're on the island they're literally just saying who do I Vibe with who don't know Vibe with who do I have that's got my back so I can get a day further in the game because it's people forget these people are not out there to you know make sure that world peace exists they're trying to win a million dollars this is a Cutthroat game this is about getting other people out and no matter like I mean if it was about being presented in the best possible way and you know fighting for justice in the world then Noel would not have been voted out in this spot that's all I'm going to say like people would keep no all day because she would be such a great role model for the show but this is not what survivor is about Survivor is literally about who can I take out that I don't Vibe with who don't have my back and that's going to prevent me from winning one million dollars we're not talking about someone winning 50 dollars or just you know a gift packet down to what do you guys have Walmart over there this is not what it's about this is a million dollars right Flynn right yeah like you said if it was that case and that's the reason why and I really don't buy with you

25:24 Might buy with someone like don't know well but because you're such a big that's why you voter out at this stage of the game right so yeah literally the exact opposite why instead of why you want to keep them around no you won't get rid of them for that very reason so yeah I hope these people like aren't actually serious I hope it's like one of those spur of the moments like oh I can't believe they voted Noel out because yeah I don't know I just gotta laugh at that stuff it's a it's a selfish game you know you see Noelle in her determination and her you know playing a strong game you got to take that out you don't just oh but she's a amputee so I keep her in you know that's just not how it works yeah well what was interesting about the sanctuary is that we got obviously that letter from Jesse I felt like that was the most impactful one and if I was ever in doubt if I was ever in doubt that JC's got to be the hot favorite to win this thing right now it's been put to the side like I really think in my mind edit wise they're building them up either to be the Omar of the Season or he's going to go all the way and win this thing if he does get voted out we could still see Cody or someone else win this I'm kind of off Owen a little bit as well some people will probably still see Owen as a potential winner but I just don't think Owen he did get a little bit of a family moment here where his girlfriend said

26:44 Oh you could win an immunity he's already done that his dad said he loved him and it's the first time he's seen that on a letter I can relate my dad's old school as well we don't say those words to each other very often so I think being out there would probably be quite emotional for him to get that especially since he is adopted you know and I'm sure he always feels like you know am I really you know loved or am I in place here because I'm sure those are things I've not been adopted to myself but I'm sure those are things that you think to yourself if you've been adopted it was a great moment to see but I feel like Owen if Owen gets to the final he's a zero vote getter at this stage because of the fact he just doesn't have any agency in the game right now Flynn like I don't what has Owen really done he's just surviving that's the thing yeah it's kind of like the Romeo this season to see good story under dark story but kind of I don't know I don't even know where he's gonna play so if he's gonna be our finalist losing finalists or kind of like that random like final four fire making challenge first in our fifth place what maybe you can go home next we'll I mean we'll see but yeah hit him in I will say him and Sammy are the only people I can't see winning everyone else I think has a shot those are the only two I can't see winning yep no I would agree with that I would agree with that and that's a pretty crazy take because I know one or two people that if you ask me two episodes ago I would have been like yeah we're including some people that I would have thought I would have called myself crazy yeah outside of that nothing else of Interest sort of happens there at the sanctuary but we get everybody

28:04 Back at Camp Cody's saying the whole thing about you know you know I haven't spoken to you guys much so at least we get an opportunity to strategize and he gets to talk to a different group of people here the most interesting thing for me in this section is the fact that Cassidy pulls him aside and wants to continue to work closely with Cody we've seen Cassidy try to work closely with Cody a few times before in other episodes and she's trying to convince Cody to go against Noel and saying hey we can't beat Noel at the end here and Cody agrees to this do you think Jake that working so closely with Cody at this stage is a winning strategy for Cassidy and do you think she's truly thinking she can take Cody to the end and beat him I don't know if she's thinking that I think that it's smart to either try to get on their good side or try to take one of them out Cody or Jesse right now because they're in control and if you can kind of Be the One to initiate this then that's something you can claim not them and they've got a lot of power so you know they can push your plan along if they agree with you and that's ultimately what ended up happening so that's pretty good I don't know if she's thinking about taking him to the end I know we've kind of talked like you know is Cody really a threat

29:25 Or is he just kind of playing second fiddle to Jesse like I don't know I just want to add to that I just want to add to that I still think the way Cody wins is if he doesn't sit next to JC at Dean if he sits next to Jesse in My Mind Jesse wins because the show is showing us what Jesse's doing and I see a lot more in the edit can manipulate us obviously but I'm seeing a lot more from Jesse running the game and strategically telling Cody where to go then the other way around but I do think if Cody gets to the end and Jesse falls on a sword along the way just by proxy of him having worked so closely with Jesse and having made all these moves with Jesse I think he can own those moves at the end and potentially still to win this game would you agree with that flip yeah I don't know like I said Cody's edit's been so interesting right it's he started off like so hot and now he's like kind of cool down a bit like are they doing on purpose so like if Jesse does get taken out like they're kind of hiding Cody and then Cody's gonna like appear in these last couple episodes to you know kind of take Jesse's place and go on an idle run or start becoming a big time player of the Season yeah it's so interesting I definitely again I definitely I 100 agree with you if Cody is our way of the season I can't imagine how he wins sitting next to Jesse so yeah I wanted to Yeah question like I'm just curious what their perception of him is when it relates to Jesse like are they yeah do they see him as like kind of his little Minion

30:45 Or do they see it as like a two-headed snake you know and I'm curious like along the way if like somebody else makes a huge move against Jesse takes him out but then still takes Cody to the end what are they gonna think like because we've seen it's a it's a pattern these past two seasons kind of wait till the end boom make a make a move and then you win that's you know that's like your big move and also and also when the power couples get taken out in the game like for instance when Sean got taken out Rickard followed after that when omara got taken out Lindsay followed after that it's like the when these power couples break up they don't always make it all the way to the end so we could very easily see and edit do quote back or look back at ghost Island we could be seeing an edit similar to that but we see both a Dom and Wendell type of edit where they both get to the end somehow here but I do feel like Cody's got a weaker edit than Dom did at this stage so I'm not too sure if that is the case here I still lean towards I don't think Cody makes it I think it's suggested when most likely at this stage but I don't I'm not ready to count Cody out because I haven't seen anybody talk negatively about kodiit whenever people say that they're a power couple they include both their names they don't say well Jesse's really running the game or Cody is like his minion and we don't see

32:05 That sort of on our screen so until they say that I feel like we can't probably make their conclusion yet but another really interesting conversation and Russell welcomed the live as well just wanted to say hello Russell muscle TV go check out his channel as well if you want some great Survivor content also recently I don't have all the details here I'll be promoting it a little bit more in the future Russell has now started doing some Survivor puzzles as well so go check out his Instagram go check out Twitter go check out YouTube to find out a bit more information on how you can get your hands on some Survivor puzzles which I think is going to be pretty cool I'll definitely give my hands on one or two of those as well who knows maybe I end up on a Survivor season in Australia or New Zealand or in South Africa in the future and I want to be prepared if that ever happened so yeah I was going to go into the next conversation here that was quite interesting gabler you know has a conversation here with Carla and Cassidy they both are aware that they need to get Gable inside and gabler for me at this stage is very at a very interesting spot in the game because his edit has gone the opposite ways in some ways to code easily because in the beginning we were all made to believe he's a crazy guy like myself and Jake were saying how's this guy even in an operating room like I mean he's all over the place but now seems like one of the most sane people out there he seems like he's got his finger on the pulse on the game he's really grounded himself

33:25 And how impressed are you with gabler's game at this stage because I feel like he's a maybe after Jesse in my mind right now the second most likely person to win if he gets to the end Everybody Talks positively about him they say he's a stand-up guy they know where they stand with him that could count for him or against them depending on how he manages this towards the end because people could also feel very hurt by him betraying them but I feel like he's being painted in a very positive light versus how he was painted at the beginning of the season right and I remember I came here guys the stream a couple weeks ago I was like you know we were talking about go to one now I was like everyone's kind of saying Gaba be a goat I was like you know I could I don't know I feel like if he gets to the end he knows how to talk his way he knows how to tell himself a story right and maybe the show's kind of already kind of you know for sharing that he started off really bad you know slowly gets his way to the end it has like a great finish but yeah and it's been so interesting but he really is in a great spot right now like no one's gun it for him and it looks like you know from a tidbit four Shine for next week he might even be the one that breaks up Cody and Jesse he might be the one that plays both sides maybe he takes out Carla as well the other Big Time Players yeah I don't know if everyone here in this game I really don't know what to say about gabler he still might be a final three goats or for God's sakes be our winner wouldn't that just be something if he wins if our winner of Survivor 43 is Mike gabler man oh man but yeah it would be amazing I think I think that would be that would make for the most exciting season and I think that the season will

34:45 Get looked at in a very different way if we get a game body person win this season or if we get like the people that we thought from the start is going to win it or gabler comes from like the middle of nowhere in Windsor there's a reason I always put Chris Daughtry as such a high winner in my mind and I always remember that one because he started off so horrible in Vanuatu and then sort of worked his way back in the game and then Against All Odds went to win the game at the end and it wouldn't be as unlikely as Crystal trees win that season but it would still be a pretty impressive win and a gabler win would be memorable at least Jake at this stage absolutely I mean we don't see it very often anymore where you know the bigger characters are the winner you know we were lucky to see that kind of last season with Marianne she was more but kind of similar to gabler she was more of a big character at the beginning and then kind of mellowed out and like became one of the more sane ones out there but yeah and it would make him the oldest winner ever I believe or no the oldest winner is going to still be Bob Crowley I believe he was like 57 or 58 when he won the first time but he will only be the second person to win the show that is older than 50 and he had that comment as well when he came on in the beginning that always stands out for me where he said there's only been one winner older than 50 that's won this

36:05 Game I'm gonna have to play the game differently compared to what all these other players are going to play it so and differently he has played at Flynn like he's consistent with what he said he's done his own thing and the people who were after him Janine and Ellie and who saw him in a bad light and said he was this crazy person they're long gone by now so who does Gable currently have in the game that's an enemy of his that thinks that he needs to be dealt with immediately that's the thing yeah that's what I was saying he's like in a perfect position right like unless he gets taken out like at the you know he's just like one of those random people you take out like the final five because he's out of the loop against Like Jesse and Country or something or like loses fire making or isn't he the final three goat like I said I think he's a great shot of getting to the end because no one's done it for him and not only that but he's like seems to be the one who could be pushed pulling the strings next week and we'll have to see obviously but I don't know I mean I'm laughing just thinking about that like he might just have a shot to win this season I can't the same guy who was what gonna what was he gonna do shot in the dark first Tribal Council yes that's the Earth episode two like they give us whole everyone thought like he was getting better bags or like their first shot in metal back yeah I know people are talking about like they made Ellie look bad to make Gabba look good I think that was just more so because Ellie was a big character but I don't know maybe because Gambler is a winner of the season they wanted to make Gable look you know really good and as compared to the alien poor

37:25 Janine so I don't know I gotta say man yeah like I said I kind of been on the season like you said oh man you're not top 10 but man oh it would be memorable 100 yeah one of the more memorable winners for sure but Jay is kind of reading my mind here in the comments because I was good at Jay you're stealing more lines here he's saying can't stay I can't say my question is why do we hear Jesse's take on Carla but we haven't heard Carlos take on Jesse now that's an interesting comment because the one thing that happens I know we're kind of jumping a little bit ahead but it's relevant to gabler so let's explore this right gabler has a conversation minutes before tribal council with Carla and he says listen like and again hats off to Gambler for just agreeing to whatever Jesse and you know Cody wants to do at the moment not giving them any doubt or Reason to doubt him at that point but he goes to Carla and he says listen Jesse and Cody they're powerful we're gonna have to deal with that because that's an issue we get to see and I want to kind of flip it a little bit here instead of saying Jesse we get to hear gablers views on Jesse and Cody but Carla is quiet why do we not hear what Carla's thinking at this point why are the edit not showing us Carla agreeing to what Gable is saying does this mean that gabler does this mean that Carla is potentially going to lean towards working with Jesse still in the future and she's going to throw gabler under the bus because I could very easily

38:45 Still see this happening and then Carla being someone that goes to the end next to a Jesse and Jesse winning this game it would be seen as one of the dumbest moves from a player that I thought for most of the Season she's probably one of the best strategic players we've seen this season I'm very interested in this little bit of edit here Flynn what's your take on this that's a good because here's the thing I was so confused because for the longest time and a lot of people on online was kind of saying Carla was going to be this year's Omar right you know that big obstacle that the adventure Winner Takes out but I think now it's clear that it's gonna be Jesse if that is the case right if it's something like a Caster gaveler wins a season kind of an underrate our person or even Carl if she wins they're gonna have to take out Jesse but she wasn't really gonna edit though you know she's kind of like she started off great but she really died down so I really didn't know what to think about her but so you know now that you kind of say that she kind of touched upon you know working with Jesse well I don't know if she like touched upon it but they both have that would be like three Idols between him the same family upbringing background I think both Latino Latina like that type of you know you can't help but bond with people that are familiar to you it's like whenever I go and travel internationally for instance I know I'll go watch you guys don't watch it in the States but I watch Rugby World Cup so whenever I go to say Japan or France and I run into other South Africans we just bomb because we're South Africa we're like oh cool you're South African as well you know what do you think about this and that and I think they're finding that common connection out there and maybe be it's Cloud clouding her Judgment at

40:06 This stage because I agree with you Flynn she's been nowhere in the edit for a long time I don't think Carla's winning this season but I mean we've had people win with less of an edit so it's hard to count anybody out but I just instinctively don't feel like she's winning this season unless she does make a move and take him out and that's the thing though I haven't felt like she was gonna be like a finalist loser either or like that fallen angel either I haven't got up but now she put like that maybe like she might you know that's why I can't highlight that situation maybe she might just be a you know really shocking zero vote getter or maybe she might get a couple of votes but I don't know not to say that actually I could see that as a final three scenario because what has she done like I mean Jesse can claim moves right now Jake but McCullough since the merge like what has she really done what big move does she have that she can put and say I was the one who did this I was the one who was pulling the strings here you know I don't think she really has one unfortunately that they also don't have you know she can kind of say like oh yeah I had my finger on the pulse you know I was in the majority but like he had Jesse or Cody even you know they were the ones actually making the decisions at the top hmm during that period so yeah I don't know but you know and pre-merge like no one really cares about the pre-emerge anymore you know you can say that Carla was in control of her tribe no one cares about that it's always merge

41:26 And onward that people will actually take seriously when talking just not enough game happens in the pre-merge these days because we merged like 12 or 13 people especially this season was a super short framework yeah moving on from that a little bit we are going to get back into the strategy side of it again when we come back from the immunity challenge but let's talk about the immunity challenge here just briefly it was a very old and favorite immunity channels we've seen this many a times play out they have to steady a balancing board with one hand and build a house of cards with the other hand Flynn this is my worst nightmare if I was ever to be out there I'm someone that struggles to sit still just sitting still for an hour an hour and a half doing a podcast is difficult enough for me I can't imagine myself being out there and doing this challenge dude that's why I started YouTube in general man I couldn't just I had to keep my I had to keep my mind going whether it's going to the gym playing drums doing my YouTube I have to keep going right that's yeah I don't know I don't know yeah that'd be I think then again I can't concentrate Why on YouTube I can't concentrate but then again I might like overthink it yeah that's God that's those are a challenge when you get so close to the top you're just shaking oh man like brought back South Pacific the Ozzy was shaking I was like oh my God no he's gonna lose Jack what would you do with this did you do you reckon this is something you'd be able to I think I would be horrible at this time I could maybe see myself winning but yeah I don't know I

42:47 Think these two the combination of these two challenges in this episode are like my worst nightmare like yeah I'm like totally like what even when I'm sitting still I'm like bump like shaking my leg up and down you know I just have to be like moving you know so yeah like thinking of like holding the like didn't they have to like hold something down and also do I'm like no yeah and it'd be awful it was it was funny though to see like that Montage of just like oh that was great yeah I just did a good job of that yeah it was definitely and it shows the difficulty because I think people I think we're realistic about how difficult this is but I think there's a lot of people out there the OMG critics sitting in front of their TV yeah on the couch having their Mountain Dew and popcorn you know while they're watching it I'll do that easily it's no issue no issue whatsoever but we're like no I mean I could probably focus on lockdown when I'm there and I know my life's on the line I think I could I could really I could really lock in yeah but the first part of the challenge I would have loved because anything with balance anything with agility anything with throwing something like that those are all the sports I used to play at school growing up and you know my background is in martial arts like I've got a black belly karate and all that kind of stuff so anything with balance yeah like that to me is like that's my jam but when it comes to yeah and it's funny enough because now that I think about it in karate there are times we have to be very still when you do ducators and you go into your meditation and that type of stuff

44:07 Where I still struggle with it sometimes but I think maybe I can find the Zone I would feel more comfortable with the reward challenge compared to the immunity challenge but the one thing I do find interesting Flynn is that we get a new winner once again Cassidy there hasn't been one person that have locked down being the challenge Beast this season and it's still up for grabs for who could be the person who wins the most immunities and there's some stakes in this for me and Jake because whoever does get that get bonus points for us in our draft teams and I don't know who that person's gonna be yeah no it's cool to see that's the thing I mean I don't know what do you guys do you guys like it when we see a challenge piece are you kind of like it when it's like more up in the air I kind of like personally I kind of like the fact that it's like I like seeing challenge beasts but I don't want to see it season after season and this is the thing this is what I don't get with people want the same people or the same structure to play out every single season that to me is boring like I'm good with one season we get someone and I don't hate on my call away I respect him for being clutch at winning his way to the end where a lot of people Mark him down on that and I'm like no that makes them even a better winner in my mind because he did it his way and you know I respect I know this is going to get heated com you know I don't think he's in Mount Rushmore but I even respect Ben for founding all those advantages I don't hate on him for that like some people do I like seeing variety and I like seeing people win in different ways and I like seeing Seasons play out in different ways that's my thoughts on it in any case Jake what

45:27 Do you think about it do you like seeing one person winning out all the time or do you like the variety as well I think it's yeah it's the variety you know the thing I loved about seeing Marianne win last season it's like we don't we haven't seen a winner like her you know young bubbly like you know very you know out there I guess a little bit but also like she was able to hone in and like make a big move at the end yeah I just I like to see variety like I'd like to see you know you said people want the same structure that's totally not me at all like I want to see yeah I want to see like oh this season there was challenge beast but they didn't win oh here's a challenge beast but they did win you know here's like somebody like Marianne you know like yeah I want to see variety you've never seen a Fabio again like Fabio is unique as well like you know that's why Wilson I do want to see one of these times where we see like a Fabio or like Halloween you know kind of muty but not just a beauty when their way to the end because like Tony won like Four Beauties right you know but he really didn't need them maybe like the last one but like see I actually like clutched Moody wins you know like I would love I mean could you imagine like Noel would have won this one after what she did in the reward you know so it would have been amazing yeah that's what they would say but again I love the variety yeah I'm all good with it I like the fact that different people are winning it's interesting though to see different people sort of clutching out and having their different strengths and I think that it also gives

46:47 More credit to those people in the past that have gone on these runs like people like your Cody Colby Donaldson who set the record all the way back in season two that has yet not been broken for five amenities in a season there's people who've obviously you know he's got in the same amount but no one's good in six like the closest we've ever come to that was recently in Survivor South Africa one name the name of the person but I don't want to spoil anything but there was a person who also they actually had an opportunity to go for their sex and they got five amenities That season and yeah I mean I thought that the record was going to be broken there Jake but it didn't end up happening and it's impressive right now those people look even more impressive when you see how difficult it is to do that in a season I yeah I'm with you during that South African season I totally thought that person was gonna yeah and then I thought they were going to go on to win but yeah I it's yeah it's very interesting I think that what was the last time I guess it was Tony that we saw somebody kind of beasting challenges it doesn't feel like it was really a challenge Beast though that's the thing because he didn't really need them that's the thing right yeah but she was losing finalists yeah Rick Devin's oh yeah we didn't get to the end yeah I don't know but see yeah I like that how it's like you know we don't see it every season we only see you know it makes it more

48:07 Impactful it makes it way more impactful when someone comes on the scene I thought Jonathan last season they were like this guy's a beast you know they keep showing him like dominating and carrying his tribe on his back and then he gets to the merch and his two minutes and it's like this guy's not even close he's not even in the conversation this challenge beast at this stage you know even though physically he looks impressive he just it didn't translate and I mean hats off to Lindsay it actually also shows how good of a competitor Lindsay wash because she really gave him a run for his money on some of those and I think there was quite a few where he got second place last season but completely off the track Cassidy obviously wins we do this all the time Flynn don't worry about it I Cassidy wins immunity and that means that the plan that Sammy had because he had like one thing that he wasn't on the confessional but he said at the sanctuary let's target Cassidy so I think that was his move that plan has kind of like stopped there and also noelle's plans stopped because they were gonna split the vote between Cassidy and Carla because at this stage this is another thing where I kind of wish Jake that they showed that hidden scene that they never showed with gabler and Carla are talking where Carlos talked about the beads and the fact that the idol that Lindsay I think it was Lindsay from this season or I've got a name now ended up being voted out with it but no one believes that everybody believes no listen it's out everybody's at this stage quite convinced she's got the idol so she's not really hiding that as well as she thought she did so they wanted to be a part of the potential

49:27 Plan to vote out or Noel does because she potentially has an idol and they have to Blindside it yeah I don't really I don't really like when they yeah it's like they couldn't have just put in like a 20-second scene of just like oh yeah I heard that Carla had the beads on what was it Coco so she must have the idol you know like and then we just hear out of nowhere this episode it's like well I wonder if that's like good or bad for Carlos anything maybe like the edits trying to like hide the fact that they don't want like Carla being seen that she has the idol ah I don't know I'm that's a good question I have no idea because like they said the episode let's put the votes on Carla like in case like did they say like in case she has it I don't know I'd get the idol out of them no there was a scene I actually made a note of this when Jesse and Cody started talking about options I believe there was a scene where Jesse said Carla's got the beads so I know she's got the idol so he's very aware of that and that was it was like it was like a couple of seconds somewhere where he who he mentioned that so they're definitely aware of it and I don't think it's a good thing for her I think not having that previous scene in there potentially just makes it confusing for casual viewers that are watching it that didn't see the secret scene and they're like oh how does he suddenly now know that she's got the idol but it looks like it's common knowledge out there that's what's confusing me I don't know so I've got a hot take on that right

50:48 We've seen production cut out so many different things on Survival already like for instance we don't get the intro anymore the intro music with all the you know what do they call it the faces and the names and all that kind of thing they don't go last time on Survival previously on Survivor they've cut out so many things but yet one thing that is still in there is at the end of the episode we get final words from the person who's been voted out do we really need to see that or should that now just be something where people say go on to cbs's website to go see the extra words because who cares that person is out of the game at this point am I being too heartless I would almost rather lose that 15 20 seconds so we could see a scene such as this that would make the show make more sense these days I've said this to Jake a few times I know why it's there but sometimes it's the least interesting part of the show for me these days because it's just they're just talking in circles no one's giving Jeff what he wants yeah it used to be more interesting I'd say in the earlier Seasons but now like very unless there's like a live tribal which doesn't happen very often very often or everyone kind of knows what they're going to do and yeah it's all just it's all just theater they've learned a lot yeah they know what to avoid yeah and yeah they're not they're not giving their real answers whereas I would say in the early Seasons like they would actually talk

52:08 About like yeah I have problems of this and the tribe I think you know you know and they were giving real answers to Jeff but well is that a so here's the question is that a tribal count because I feel like Tribal Council and again we're trying to solve the whole Survivor issue as a whole here right now solving Survivor right now but is it a problem is it a problem right of tribal council not being as impactful anymore because I mean Tribal Council is so instrumental to the game you can't have survival without trouble Council without voting someone out or is it an issue once again with casting and we're just not like I know a lot of people like the fact that they're casting fans off the show but I think that there has to be a balance and you have to bring people in that almost haven't seen the show yet because some of those players are the most entertaining to watch they're the ones that make the rookie mistakes I'm not saying we should have all recruits but I think we should have a mixture and have more people I mean they're trying they bring in people like rocks Roy they're bringing in people like gabler in the beginning of the Season it was a little bit of an agent of chaos but maybe it's just who they're casting right now and also the fact that they're getting them to watch all these Seasons before they go out there to play people are just too prepared oh yeah like you said you didn't I can't imagine you're gonna see something like judge just at Travel Country just like you what do you do that one time like you did this you did this you did this or like Rocky from Fiji like just for rating Anthony that one

53:28 Time you know again because people learn from that stuff no one wants to be that guy so and maybe that is just a thing that you know those people are recruits you know so we're just not gonna get that anymore or like even if you are a recruit like you know chances are it's easy to just go online really easily and say hey what not to do on Survivor or just watch a basic travel Council you know so yeah it's probably a mixture of both people kind of got the former down and like even if you recruit people it's like you know it's easy to have like some basic repair yeah be prepared yeah I mean Jeff's working really hard to get something these days in the travel Council he works really hard and he doesn't even yeah now he's like specifically asking hey give me an analogy about yeah that was that's one of the things for me and again a little bit off topic here but it's one of the things that makes Survivor South Africa for me so exciting to watch because South Africans are just people who don't give a they just they're out there they're like that does happen and this person is that they stole the rise of the camp and it's just it's sometimes it's chaos in those tribal councils because they just don't keep things to themselves and it's just all the dirty laundry gets out those aren't recruits though those are actual fans too so I think it is possible maybe just from different cultures but I think I guess it no I think that's cultural I can say it as a South African I could say it's called South Africans South Africans are very direct in general like I'm kind of whenever

54:48 I go back to South Africa now like people are like you're so International because I'm a lot more politically correct than things that I say and how I think about stuff but when I go to South Africa people are just direct you know they don't like you they'll tell you to your face and they will still vote for you at the end if they respect you they don't have to like you to vote for you that's what we see happening in one of those Seasons where people will shocked how did this person win and it's because people still respected the game that got that person to the end even though they didn't like them and they were like fights between them on violent it's South Africa for anyone that hasn't watched survivors of Africa I'm kind of selling it a little bit right now and if you're listening to the audio or you're listening to the live of the video whatever do yourself a favor and go watch Survivor South Africa start off with survivors of Africa Philippines season six it is a doozy like if you ever watched this thing yet like believe me it's Entertainment it's real entertainment and we see a lot more messiness play out still in those shows and it feels a lot more old school it feels a lot more like those first 20 seasons of Survivor that we probably saw but also with some twists and idols and things like that in it so it's a crazy mixture would you say that's a fair representation of it Flynn I know you watch a little bit yeah oh yeah 100 especially I like pretty much all I don't think South Africa has had really One Bad season since like its first say what you will about season seven but like since its first three seasons when it wasn't even on like well I think it was on mnet but a different casting crew our

56:08 Production crew so yeah they've been on a roll we talked about this really before on stream I was scared I was gonna get canceled after low ratings but looks like it's not gonna cancel anytime soon so yeah I love South Africa I feel I feel pretty confident and I mean I can't talk too much because I've spoken to people who's in the know but I'm pretty confident that even if it doesn't go ahead on mnet it'll go ahead like I just feel like Savannah South Africa won't die there's a big interest in it and it's a popular product so but I can't go into it too much I'm pretty sure that it will continue on so that and that's good for us International Survivor community that really love watching survivors of Africa but apologies for those that are listening to this who really don't care about Survivor South Africa and just want to hear about episode 10 we went on a little bit of a tangent there but after the immunity challenge we get people strategizing there's a lot of strategy that happened at this point and some of the most interesting things this episode happened just before tribal counselor gabler actually lets Noelle know that they're coming for her so continuing to play their middle ground until the very last moment and at this point I believe gabler still thinks that Cody and Jesse is fine but Sammy is potentially going to be the person that they should watch out for and indirectly you didn't know that's going to add to Jesse's cover story as well because Jesse is going to try and throw Sammy under the bus at this point and Jesse really if you had any doubts that Jesse could be the Tony buckles of this season and getting a similar edit I mean it was around this time in the game where

57:28 Tony had a slam dunk episode when he ended up going against Sarah Lucina and voted out her right-hand person got a name right now yeah Sophie about the same about the same time it's about the same time and Jesse really just runs this episode at this point and they even give him Jake the edit where he's got his three point plan and they show us step by step as he's putting this into place I feel like the editors really win in on this one to tell us Jessie's the one running this game right now Jake yeah I think it was like during the episode I was like wow yeah like I was getting total what was it called extortion that's that was the name of the episode that Tony just like had his like coming out party you know I was getting total extortion Vibes during this but there's one but at the very end of this episode as we mentioned gabler has that conversation with Carla yes it says probably need to take care of this huh we did not see that with Tony you know nobody was like that's very true there was no and I think that's because he wanted immunity that episode so I don't think he was even in he could have been voted for but nobody was like oh we gotta you know take

58:49 Care of Tony at some point what is he doing no it was like whoa Tony's giving me an out here like this is a move I need to go along with you know so there's some differences but I'm totally with you there were a lot of similarities and like it was kind of like just like yeah look at how great Jesse is like look at look at him he's so cocky and he's still doing it you know so and also just that whole conversation between him and Cody laying out the table saying you know Noel's getting more powerful every time we take basically one of her tentacles away I don't want to say limbs here you know they ended up they ended up she ends up getting someone else like you know she gets Justine voted out she gets Dwight gets voted out she gets Owen she keeps bullying people up and he says listen if we go with Noel here noelle's got all the power Cassidy's not going to trust us anymore because we voted Carla out she's also got Cassidy we're up you know shit's creek without a paddle at this stage so I feel like Jesse is reading the game really well at this point and he's articulating it extremely well to the camera and I mean you've got to give him a probably a nine out of ten or eight out of ten as high as you can until he wins the game when it comes to Marx because he's really seeing it and this is the thing I don't think Cody is looking at that level Cody's just like what is my right-hand man doing and how do I move at this stage but he's back

1:00:09 Yet as far as we know he doesn't have it there yeah which is just insane I just don't get it so Jesse could still end up because if you look at Jesse and Cody right now who are you more threatened by you're probably if you're a player out there and you don't realize because Jesse is talking to the camera a lot people don't know how his brain's working out there you're probably looking at Cody as the bigger threat at this point because he's quite likable he's social he's good at challenges like if we had to choose one of the two to vote out we could see Cody get blindsided and Jesse still have two Idols in his pocket and no one knows he's got it because he even told Noelle that he gave Cody his Idol back yep but we are seeing gabler now is kind of on his tail and we don't know if Carla was lying or not when she was like on board with that plan I have a feeling I feel like I feel like Carla would go for Cody as well because I feel like Carla like she might say yeah we need to deal with that but let's take out Cody first because he's a challenge threat he potentially has an idol in his pocket let's Blindside her before we Blindside Jesse because she's got a better connection with Jesse so I feel like he's pretty good he's insulated at the moment could you imagine how lucky Jesse would give if they blindsided Cody like just put them they put the voice on Cody he's accidentally surprised with two islands in his pocket and he's guaranteed final four and I think potentially guaranteed winning this thing I mean it could be a very that could be a very exciting into the season for

1:01:29 Me as well like if that happened and we saw because for me it's always more fun when you see someone having to come back from adversity to win a season like they're running the game then they lose control of the game and they have to come back and win it like even Mike Holloway is a great example of that right because he was running the game in the early stages he was the leader of his Alliance and then he got kicked out of that Alliance and then had adversity to try and get to the end and win it so sometimes those wins are some of the most satisfying wins you can get yeah but yeah back on the point of Jessie's like yeah I think I said this is either they set him up as Omar or like you said he probably is going to win the season I don't think you know it's I can't imagine at this point it's gonna be like a zero vote violence or anything like that or even like a fire making challenge it's gonna be yeah the window's gonna take him out or he's gonna win this game that's what this is I agree it's gonna be one of those two I find it hard to believe that it would be somewhere in between yeah no yeah 100 yeah so zuderman just agree with us here plus he still has Cody and Janine's Idol at final Sim I actually completely forgot his other Idol was Janine's Idol that is hilarious it's so brutal that how he ended up with Janine's Idol and it's just going to be one of those things if he gets to the end and he says that I think that alone people are going to be like wow this guy was playing at another level and he's probably gonna win this thing Russell is saying he's at a Christmas party but loving the trial enjoy your Christmas party Russell you remember yeah all right so what other what

1:02:49 Other things happen here I think the big thing I don't want to say this and I kind of forgot about this but gabler talking to Carla I think what happened here is because it was so last minute Gabe Lafell Blindside he was like if I'm truly your ally if I'm truly a person that you see as part of this trial surely you're not going to come to me literally just before we have to pick up our bags and go to Tribal Council to tell me about this plan why am I only hearing about it last minute and I think this is what's setting off alarm bells for gabler and you know like again I love admitting when I'm wrong I admitted that I was wrong on semi you know he came into the game he impressed me a lot more and even if he does go he's not a bad player like I mean he's a good player like he's got a lot of skills he's got a lot of capabilities maybe he's caught overplaying but he's not the first great player that's been caught with his hand in the cookie jar like I mean it's not the first time so I think sami's a great player I've changed my mind completely on him I like Sammy and gabler is the other person I think this is a lesson for us Jake on how the editors can manipulate your emotions and how you feel towards someone because in the beginning I always liked him as a character and always thought he was a fun agent of chaos but now I'm starting to respect him as a game player dude same like he is positioned so well and he is like aware of it and is like actively trying to put himself in this position like he didn't just like walk ass backwards into this position into this like he

1:04:10 Deliberately tried to put himself here and you can just tell like he gets what's going on and like he was like he positioned himself to like be in with Cody and Jesse when like they did the split tribals because you just got to survive you just got to try to survive when you're in that position but now he's like thinking more like okay but now when do I take him out you know he's not just like along for the ride I totally agree like I am like taken aback at like how well he's doing and just like every time he's given the confessional I'm just like that was that was just really smart like what he said you know yeah he's like just he's a smart dude yeah anything else Flynn that you wanted to say on that do you think else on gabler and before we go into Tribal Council it looked like you had something in your mind oh no I just like yeah just yeah well I can't wait to see how Gamers storyline plays I have no idea if he's gonna be a winner or a goat fallen angel I have no idea I'm excited to see the Ryan though I know it could be it could be anything who knows yeah all right well we go to Tribal Council here there's again like we said earlier you know mostly in trouble Council I kind of skip over a lot of it because there isn't really much that stands out for me it's just a lot of people talking in circles and not trying to give Jeff anything but the one thing that stood out for me a little

1:05:30 Bit here we've been talking about how Jesse is playing a really good game I did see one flaw in Jessie at Tribal Council and it's something that I've seen with Jesse before he's quite open about talking about sort of his control of the game at this stage he comes across as a little bit confident saying things potentially like you know quoting his son saying get that money baby and this will set up the rest of my game I don't think that's the best things to say a tribal council like if I was there you know I would definitely be taking note of this and I think people like gabler they did pin to Gable his face with the edit when he said that as well so for me why are they doing that it came kind of again just reconfirms that gabler and Jesse are going to go up against each other and Gable is taking notes of these things mental notes that you know Jessie's the real person here that's in control that I need to be very aware of and I think that maybe Jesse's just getting a little bit too confident because I don't feel like you should be saying this stuff at Tribal Council Flynn those are those editing tricks that Jesse said then they pay in the gabler's face those are classic editing tricks that you said that could be a sign of things going in the future right again the tribal councils are a long sale it's easy to you know seem a little overconfident we were just talking about your game but like you said That's a classic example of maybe that is a sign that Giver will be the one to take out Jesse or that's a sign that you know like Bob goes off in Gaylord's head that you know Jesse is getting confident let's take him out next so that's very interesting I did not pick that up I'm glad you did

1:06:50 That's another that's another you know foreshadowing possibly yeah another Survivor podcast here in the live Survivor Scholars welcome to the live stream check out survivors colors as well for some more survival content that also do a great recap each week they say here the gabler edit is super interesting especially for someone respected Like Jesse saying that he is smart I did pick that up as well yeah Survivor Scholars and that could mean for me personally one of two things right it could either mean that Jesse is aware of the threat that gabler is and that he's gonna to also try and take gameplay out I feel like we're going to see them go head to head or it could mean that it's continuing to bolt that credibility because everybody everything that was said about gabler in this episode was positive it was you know he's smart he's trustworthy he's a stand-up guy can work with him that type of thing you know it was very interesting so I'd like to see how that's going to play out as a whole boy next week looks fine it's gonna be fine it's exciting it's building up to a very exciting conclusion this is a good episode I thought today was good this week was gonna be like the big time you know we see the big time player out you know the Noel small edit kind of taking out makes sense next week for sure it's like I said this season's gonna go pick out I'll be shocked if we lose like someone like a Cassie next week you know who you know I obviously is a I don't think we said this yet you know we haven't talked about it yet what's your guys to take on Cassie because believe it or not I actually do think as of right now

1:08:10 She is my winner pick really well the thing is it would be the classic Winnipeg based on the winners that we've seen recently because the winners yeah and this Edition that I that I've had with Jake about it so I'm not going to ask him about Jake would be boring he's like Chris this is the sixth time you've asked me this question since we've podcasted together in the last two seasons but do you think that Cassidy is the meta player of the new school survivor do you think new school survivor is suited for someone who plays in the shadow a lot more than the old school survivor because of this the shorter game because there are so many advantages in the game it gives more opportunity for people to take each other out and for bigger threats to be taken out before that person just skates through the game does the faster the game actually sort of benefit a slower player because I kind of feel like it does yeah and you know you would think it'd be that way around right a faster player gives you a chance to be more aggressive because you have to be more aggressive especially for you know if you start on the game you know we kind of see that you know the weaker players on these small on these small tribes are kind of targeted early but and like Cassidy was right but if you can get past those like Marion got past it Erica got past it you know when they're in trouble pretty much if you can get past that then yeah you are in a good spot because there's just so many Big Time Players it's from the pre-merch who are you know obviously making their target on those small tribes who are getting advantages right so they're able to kind of sneak past and ultimately that's what's gonna happen right you know she got her classic you know oh it was really similar to like the Erica confessional

1:09:30 But I think it was like a lion or something like she compared herself to a line or something and the for her first confessional and under the radar I really do think she's gonna sneak her way into you know I as I said we've kind of been talking about edits I think Jessie's going to be the Omar this season I'm it's between her and Carla for sure and Gala yeah quite yet but yeah no it's so hard right so that's why I'm kind of thinking that's just gonna be unfortunately which I mean not unfortunately kind of see if she wins I'm sure she'll be deserving it especially if she is the one that you know maybe like maybe she's not the one who takes up maybe there is to a kingpins this year maybe Gilbert takes out oh takes out Jesse and maybe Cassie is the one to take out gabler after that and the Carl after that you know or even Cody I don't know we'll see I don't know but she's not weird because of now well the thing for me is right and this is the question do you like that type of edit for a winner do you like a winner being edited in such a way because for me like I don't mind the variety I can take it in doses but if we have a third winner that wins the game in such a matter to me I'm gonna feel really down on this when and I feel like I'd like to see more like there was periods in the game where Cassidy and again I can't count it out because she did have the emotional stuff from home with her sister and watching Survivor together growing up and all that kind of stuff there was a story I was like okay if she makes it past this I think she's gonna win I thought that was going to be like oh we're giving her

1:10:50 Her flowers because she's going out this episode but then she did it and I was like yeah one thing I'll say about what you said Chris is I totally agree that like I wouldn't have such a problem with this edit if we hadn't just gotten two of them back to back I do wish you know just give her a bit more content you know like she has like I think the least amount of professionals confessionals left and like she's not a boring player no she articulates her full patterns really well and yeah whereas like you know no offense to Erica you know like she could be a little monetary yeah and she would like kind of say like a lot in her professionals so I you know by the way I think Erica is a great player I'll take it I think I think Erica is the best winner of the news the new era I really do think she's better than Marianne I think Marianne got lucky winners but yeah out of the two winners I think I think she's the best of the time I think that Erica comes back in the future All-Star season and surprises a lot of people and they underestimate her because of her edit yeah but entertainment I don't know if she's entertaining right I know you both don't watch the challenge but in the challenge we've got a person who's won the challenge and they've won Big Brother called Casey who

1:12:11 Comes back season after season she's performing season after season she's a great player but she's boring to watch sometimes you know and so if you had if I had to choose between Marianne and Erica who I'd like to see come back could be Marianne because I think she's more entertaining out of the two but yeah completely going on the tangent here if Cassidy if Cassidy did win this season I'd be happy for I'm happy for anyone who won and I've got the belief that whoever wins deserves to win like I didn't always have that belief but I've matured you know watching the show now I believe that yeah I believe that whoever wins like listen the person won they deserve it let's move on next season this there's going to be a next season but I would feel let down a little bit because of what the it not because of her but because of how the editors are treating women winners in that case I feel like they need more content well that's my brother up because like we talked for an hour we haven't talked about Cassie yet and all this stuff I was like you know what yes you despite being you know a big part of this vote so it's like hey let me bring her up real quick because she's my winner pick I gotta bring you know because the show's really nice so but I don't know yeah I think she's just simply going to get that Erica yeah it's kind of interesting that like we're looking at her as a potential winner because yeah because she has kind of a lackluster edit it's almost like it's almost like that Carla having a better edit is worse for her because she's a woman which you know yeah I just

1:13:31 Wish they would you know give a bit more content you know to these types of players because yeah they're not you know like I said I kind of understood for Erica because she could be a bit dry and confessionals with Cassidy I don't feel like that's the case you know you can give her a bit more content 100 let's go into our teams here as we sort of get towards the pointy end of this podcast so we both had four people still left in the game coming into this week but ultimately I'm gonna lose my second yeah out of these four I think I did really well Jake because three out of these four people that were remaining were my first three picks or first I had three out of my first four picks to lift in the game so I'm only losing a second top four pick for me here and Noel sadly being voted out of the game that leaves me with I guess with Cody Owen and semi at this stage I've got to say my hopes are resting very hard on Cody at this stage I feel like you've got the most likely winner at the moments to lift in the game Jake still has Jesse gabler Carla and Cassidy I feel like you're stacked at this point yeah I'm I it's funny because before this episode I was thinking like ah damn he's got you know Sammy because I was thinking Sammy might you know be up there but after this episode I'm like I think he's dead you know like I'm completely off that train and I'm definitely feeling good

1:14:51 It's so funny because earlier in the season we were like oh Jake has got Ellie and Jesse he's killing it and then Ellie would like totally crashed and burned and now the guy blue was like a no man's land at one point yeah I was like gabler is like one of my yeah that's so funny but Jake who is your winner pick as of now because I know Chris is it sounds like this is Jesse's right now you know I got a weird feeling about gabler I really do like I think I think I agree Jesse first gabler is my like wow like I feel like whoever wins that battle between the two is going to be the winner I just have to like I mean you can't count anyone out but I agree with you Jake I'm seeing it like you like everything the editors do is for a reason why are they giving gabler this like weird like I'm on to Jesse edit of like and like showing like other people saying he's smart showing other people we need to bring gabler in the loop like it just seems very unnecessary so I just I that confuses me and I think when you see things that are kind of unnecessary that raises alarm Bells and I'm getting that right now with gabler yeah I still lean a little bit more towards Jesse I think gabler gets caught out and Carla potentially Dobson to

1:16:12 Jesse and he gets taken out as a part of the collateral damage here and I think the most likely outcome is still a Jesse Cody reaches the final at this stage but yeah I mean for me ranking it right now Flynn and I'll let you do a ranking as well I'd say number one pick to win at this stage is Jesse second I feel like gabler is a long shot and then third I would say Cody is still in there I'm a little bit lower on Carla and Cassidy but I do think they could still win in Owen and Sammy those are the two I just don't know how to win it yes like I said those two at the bottom one's Cassie for me and yeah two through two to two to five it's like man I do think I don't know what do you guys think about like the girls talk this season because there's been a lot of talk about these girls alliances and then like they go away you know so maybe do we finally see like Carla and Cassie get together maybe or do we is that the reason why we talked about this girl so much you know girl winner I don't know I feel like I like some of the women could I mean at this point you've got only two women yeah so maybe but I feel like but no but I feel like I this is the thing I don't feel like Janine and Noelle is going to be loyal to the woman because they didn't have their backs when it came to the woman being strong like Cassidy had an opportunity to save Justine she did end up voting with just sorry with who's that Janine but she ended up still going to have some maybe Janine throws a bone I don't know but I think that

1:17:32 Carla I don't feel like Janine would go to bed for her I don't feel like Noel would necessarily go to bed for Carla at this stage I just don't think that there's unity in these women this season and again it's not because these men are so bad it's just the woman couldn't stand together or have each other's back in the game this season it's just the personalities worked out in such a way it's gonna be an interesting end game yeah like yeah so many different people have again other than like I said even in hell some people haven't given up on Owen I've seen people still think Owen can win even Sammy maybe even like this is super fun Sammy is gone for me Owen I can I'll I would again I mean we've been proven wrong many times so Sammy he has an excellent next episode but I just feel like this was such a pivotal episode for setting up the end game and we had no take from Sammy on what he was thinking we had only people bad mouthing him and saying that he's a flip-flopper I feel like he just won't be respected if he gets to the end game and he's not gonna and which is crazy because I think playing a flip-flop game is a great game but he's being too transparent about it and then Owen again like what does he have to hold on to I feel like Owen gets to the end next time I think he gets to the index the gabler Gable has got a better case because gabler seems to like working before and we even see in the next on Survivor bit that he says to Owen I see a way for us to the final three so it sounds like gambler's gonna try and make a move with Owen and Owen has been on the wrong side of the vote like this entire merge so

1:18:52 Yeah like I think only the James vote that he was in on it and everyone was in on that vote so it's not really like we can say you know oh yeah I was like you know a part of this it's just he just doesn't have much right now obviously things can change there's still plenty of time we saw last season you know Marianne really only had that one move against Omer that you know was her case to win but I just don't see it I think I'm with you guys I think Owen and Sammy are like the bottom two by far and everyone else is like I could see it yeah let's quickly read two more comments here in the life before I go into the points between our teams zuderman says I don't want to see Cassidy win there are so many players in the cast and who win just being the shallow in the shadows or game and only being known for voting Joe and Ryan out for a whole season I agree it would at this stage be a let out there are still some game left to be played so I mean Cassidy like could still gain our confidence by taking out like a Jesse or a gabler and doing some crazy stuff at the end I just think it's unlikely we see that for a third time in a row I think the editors would have thought about it and probably don't want to give us three seasons like that in a row but you never know you never know worse things have happened and then zuderman also says honestly I could see Jesse win last

1:20:12 Season Marianne had a huge inspirational 80 off each episode edit and so does Jesse this season yeah I mean Marianne that's the thing about Marion she was at least even though she disappeared from a strategic point of view and she didn't have much strategy talk she was always featured in each episode and they went back to her I don't think that Cassidy has had that consistency but in again like we said Erica also didn't have it but I also know what I think and I hope the editors took note of the fact that fans weren't too happy about the fact that we didn't get to see much of Erica That season all right let's get into the points here so I kind of closed the Gap last week on you Jake I think we were about 20 points difference between the two of us I can say this week you've slightly gained again on me so you're about 30 33 points ahead of me at the moment so overall you've got 307 points coming into this next episode into episode 11.

1:21:05 I am sitting on 274 right now your top Point getter and also the outright highest confessional person as of this week for the first time Cody's been dethroned as Jesse is overall the second highest point getter for the spreadsheet this week he's sitting on 64. so Jesse's your top person at 64. Mike is sitting on 52 and Carla is sitting on 51 that's your top three right now Cody is still the outright highest point getter this season he's on 64.5 second we've got Owen at 42 and then obviously I've only got one person for my third choice which is Sammy at 38.5 let me bring up the spreadsheet so you can have a look at the points and where we're sitting for anybody that's in the Stream here those are the points currently as it sits the points that we're getting is one point for professional three points for Team Challenge wins five points for an individual immunity win so I missed out on Noel winning a reward I didn't think about just making it an individual challenge win so maybe Jake that's something will change for next season I didn't want to just change it for the sake of changing it because we didn't agree to those rules in the beginning making the merge was five point successful Advantage plays we've only seen one so far this season that's five points finding advantages three points votes against them 0.5 runner-up gets 25 points and winner gets 50 points we've also got bonus bonuses

1:22:26 For the end of the season there's most confessionals most individual immunity wins most advantages found and least votes casted against them would all count for 25 points and I believe there's only two players right now that don't have a vote Caster against them and that is going to be gabler of all people and Jesse who are the two people that we're thinking are probably all I'm thinking is in the driver's seat of winning not necessarily Flynn I want to put Woods in his mouth but it's been exciting to watch one of the things we didn't discuss and we come back to this quite often and maybe this is a thing to leave the podcast with at the end as we sort of close it out here just something to think about there was no mention this episode of shot in the dark Flint like what's your thoughts on shot in the dark like do you think these two seasons is going to be the death of it because it seems like a non-entity it doesn't even seem like these guys and girls are like even enticed or wanting to play the shot in the dark at all it seems like a really flat production twist that's been brought in and specifications like Janine where like she knew she's in trouble she might as well play that just in case you know apparently I don't know if you guys hear but apparently Chanel last year Louie forgot about shot in the dark and that's why she didn't play it when she was clearly in trouble let me just forget about it so nonchalant or they see him not working in these past two seasons so like screw it but you might as well go for it you know so like I don't know it's yeah you forgive it's still there I have a feeling maybe they tweak it between

1:23:46 This season and 44 which I know that in terms of when they filmed it is very short period of time but maybe they do be or they just get rid of it because yeah no one is even talking about it I think has anyone even talked about it since that's right they didn't even talk about it much less use it has is the last was the first time first and only time was when gabler mentioned it in episode one like has it really been that long I don't feel like I feel like I haven't heard anybody mention shot in the dark for ages it seems like it's something that's just folding flat really and I wouldn't be surprised I mean they got rid of fire tokens for a lot less and I thought that there was a lot more that you could have done with fire tokens even with a non-edge of Extinction season I think this thing she could still do with that and it may have been a little bit more interesting but yeah I'm okay with getting rid of it now because I just feel like it's useless yeah all right well everybody here in the live thank you for sticking with us here for an hour and 24 minutes if you're still here you're a real one even if you're listening to this later on we really appreciate you consider subscribing to the channel that does help with the growth of this Channel and getting recognized and also bringing in great guests like Flynn Masters and others that I want to get on the channel in the future also consider going over to Flynn Masters like I said earlier here on the podcast it's spelled if l y n m a s t e r s he does some great content on YouTube for Hell's

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