The Challenge 40: Episode 8 Discussion

0:11 [Music] [Music] a [Music] [Music] welcome back to the nullify take channel here on YouTube where we've got the TNT takes for you on the challenge episode 8 I should also say live on X at the same time as well kuna would you believe it X is starting to become one of our more popular spots that we're streaming more and more people are starting to watch us on that form you know so El has done some good for us Goa the efficiency expert H yeah thank you Elon I guess name it we'll take it watching for a lot of stuff he might normally if he's getting us views let's go yeah definitely we'll we'll jump on

1:31 The X bandwagon hello everybody in the live we've got Chris here early on saying hi guys Lena is saying morning good morning to you as well Lena and Brittany is saying good morning this was a strong episode with applaud Emoji as well totally agree but we will be talking about all the action very soon here on the podcast bloody money 47 is saying Kahuna and Chris are you not entertained on this episode were you entertained on this episode kuna I was very entertained like I was actually surprised how entertained I was considering how the narratives of the season is kind of playing out it's becoming a little bit formula as far as who's dominating who's in the dogghouse who's like the strong alliances blah but we're seeing it sort of change up a little bit now and despite the likes of a CT no longer being there you know we've still got so many people putting on really good shows and I really enjoyed this episode like there was so much about it to love like even the theme like the Gladiator thing usually like the movie tying are so like cringy like pussing boots too and all that sort of thing but I feel like with challenge the challenge is almost like the modern day Gladiator like

2:51 It's the arena it's the AR the sand blood in the sand for and TJ such a big fan if TJ is such a big fan like he claims he is why have they never called The Arena the colosium or the Coliseum yeah it's I would have thought it's a given if TJ's a big fan it should have been called The Coliseum this year it's the modern day equivalent it 100% is like you would think maybe something like UFC you know things like that but this is like as far as Roman Coliseum by the way how often do you think about the Roman Empire just a bit of a meme question not very often came up today that's for sure it came up my Italian girlfriend hasn't brought it up yet so about this afterwards so you know she has never spoken to me about the Roman you know Empire or anything like that so it's too painful still it's too must be must be but hopefully next year hopefully next year I'm planning around maybe October next year I'll go over to Rome and I'll get to see the real Coliseum I reckon that would be pretty cool have you ever wanted to travel to Italy I mean I'm a big fan of Italian food but there's a lot of Italians there as well so that's you know

4:12 Julie if you're listening go like this no I'd love to I'd love to go to Italy like such a place of Rich culture and like I said like when that when that Meme came up a few months ago of ask your husband how often they think about the Roman Empire like my wife asked me and I was like I didn't know the meme I wasn't like part of but I went yeah all the time and she was go said what do you mean I go well depends what you mean our son is literally named Roman like what do you want what do you want me to say like it comes up like we use toilets we have roads it's all but today the challenge is the perfect like cuz yeah like you think of sports you think of USC you think of boxing but really like as far as the circus Maximus goes the show the entertainment of it where if you are a successful Gladiator you get called back and you get to be the Gladiator that stays on every season like you know they call them back when they put on a good show and that are you not entertained is literally the purpose of this glad gladiatorial process here and the challenge and this episode 100% bloody money I was entertained I loved it I can't wait to have some opinions that the live audience are going to agree with tonight you know Chris is already coming in early

5:32 On saying Chris loves an excuse to bring up either Tony or his Italian girlfriend I don't know if I've ever actually said that she was Italian on the podcast but you know there you go yeah I think there's going to be a few more takes that people are going to really hate me for in this because I've already seen a lot of people really annoyed with Casey having an opinion about Jenny West right what's your take on that people are annoyed they don't like Casey when she doesn't say anything and when she speaks up they don't like her even more so like I feel like can Casey win when it comes to the challenge look I don't know if it's Casey's fault to be honest with you but it does feel like this season specifically it's either doing her normal like Captain Obvious this is what happened at the challenge or very specifically and almost like pointedly just [ __ ] on Jenny the whole time like anything that she has said is just anti- Jenny like the whole time through true when I was watching it today and she called out Jenny for not having the relationships and complaining about it blah and I was like you know what Casey's kind of right there like for everyone that hates Casey her connections are obviously incredibly strong her social game that we never see must be off the charts we saw a little bit of an USA 2 you know a little bit of

6:53 Vibrant Casey but she's playing a game that is not on the cameras because she's seeing like to call out someone with for their connections when she doesn't show us any of a social but he's clearly incredibly strong in that regard I just didn't like that she said I have to remember that I'm playing with rookies when Jenny got a chip before Casey did right it's true she's a champion yeah I don't know if she I don't know if she meant yeah it is yeah now that I think about it that's pretty disrespectful I watched it I was wondering because when I watched it I watched it sort of live during the day but I'm watching during work and it's background right I take calls I'm doing stuff it's kind of on but when I watch it the second time and I actually watched it I feel like that bit specifically I think it was edited I'm taking myself out of the moral High Ground of who's correct here Casey or Jenny and I'm just thinking to myself are you not entertained by this different Casey on the screen being a bit Petty giving us something so regardless if she's wrong or not at least she's not a wall flower you can't say she's bedroom furniture this season she's got a personality even if you don't like it she's doing something at least oh it's not that I don't like it and she fans

8:13 She's certainly bringing out some good ones as well right but I just wonder why it's only yeah like why the only commentary they're pulling from Casey is maybe it's because the rest of it is really boring and Bland so they're like oh finally Casey is annoyed with someone and she's saying something so let double down on this it's the only content we have on the cutting floor Cutting Room floor I also wanted to say you know another person who was complaining kuna a lot I actually I listened to the whole bananas podcast between bananas and West last week from a I don't know if it was the week before I feel like it was the week before just came on my feed on X and I then watched it and it was funny I actually watched it for West cuz I'm definitely way more of a West fan than a bananas fan and a couple people even in the comments section said you can clearly see how bananas are still not aged and grown but West has matured so much which I agree with you know bananas is still the same person he was 10 years ago and he was complaining a lot about oh you know they're just ghosting me this season I've done so much for the franchise like I'm one of the biggest characters I'm the goat and all this kind of stuff you know and then the very next episode we've got Ryan after I've seen this say I'm moving out of the room I'm tired of bananas talking about how great he is and how many times he's won I just can't have it yes we're all middle age now and then they give us this Montage of bananas just going

9:33 On a rip and it's all about how great he is it was brilliant from production doing that and I've got to say I feel like this is a sign of them saying we're starting to get we're getting over bananas we're gonna move on from him in the this is this is the sign it's like the Baton is being handed over now don't know to who yet I feel like Deon but again it's being handed over it's definitely a Vibe because he is not playing the same role in the story lines he's not having the same impact socially he's not having as big an impact on the season as a whole despite being a Target like so many times there's just not a lot of bananas screen time which is really interesting I think the manle is being passed and they're seeing he's obviously done his other TV shows he's done House of Villains he branches out a lot he's also getting up there in age and I'm wondering if they're looking next I got the vibe today watching and I and I was a little bit not necessarily annoyed but I don't know if it sits on him that well but I feel like Jordan is taking the role of like the Elder Statesman who's like true yeah like he's like when he called out Derek you know he kind of takes the like I'm above the competition I don't get into that kind of stuff now but I actually

10:53 Did agree I did actually kind of agree with Jordan on that take obviously you know how I feel about people when their backs are turned and like disrespect like and he was the very guy would happen to Jordan's traumatized by Emanuel it still lives in his head yeah what's that song you turn his back you can't do stuff to their back man do it to the face exactly you know what I actually I actually don't agree with Jordan oh really I do agree with Jordan sorry I do I was just going to say like I thought like what I know you like to play the heel on the show kuna but like where are we going with this like how can you possibly feel it's okay for someone to throw a jacket on the back of someone else he could have injured Cory yeah he you sound a lot like Cory right now actually when Derek was like come on dude like you're crying about a vest like relax like he could have injured him like I do think it was pretty shitty from Derek to do that yeah I agree with Jordan but in the Corey Derek thing at first I was like oh I'm on Cory's side which is weird but then when I rewat you turn this season though you' Cory's ring you in slowly you know the challenge doesn't do the edit but I feel like he's getting a really good he's getting a massive like I

12:13 Mean at the moment oh it's early days like I mean I'm even like I don't like to say winners edit like because I don't know about Winners edit on the challenge but it feels like this as close as a Winner's edit as you're going to get side he's got the underdog he's got the big chip on his shoulder like he's looking really impressive and I said it last week as well but this week kind of added even more to that I want to stop before we go too far down the Corey train because obviously there's a lot that we need to talk about when it comes to Cory later on but I want to go back to just read a couple of comments here and see what people are saying what are the feelings like what are we thinking Bloody money saying Chris Kahuna do you guys watch House of Villains season 2 featuring West I haven't but because West is in it I am going to watch season two because I'm a big West fan and I just feel like Wes is going to do really well I mean he's pumping and hyping this season like crazy in the preseason so I can't see how he doesn't do well if he's going everywhere talking it up you know so hopes are high Dana saying hi guys it's midnight for me Dana I thought you were in the states like I guess some places in the states it could be they're behind maybe no you tell us where you're from Dana like where's at midnight right now like I feel like newal that's New Zealand must be New Zealand right bloody money 47 saying case roast Jenny again Casey wants Jenny to be a rival

13:33 Wow what I mean if we no like if they go into a rival season we talk about this every week never know when that rival season's finally gonna happen kuna I mean if there's a real life Action Hero Gladiator and if we needed to make a doll to feature for the challenge as a gladiator that would be Jenny way she is chisel I mean the girl is she's Bol right Kuna you know what's funny though like as chiseled and as ripped as she is I feel like she's trimmed down like the other times she was more like jacked now she's definitely like cut and fit and trim she's ready for the final yeah she's looking like far out she was looking really good in this episode as well like she gets to the fin I'm telling you it's over daily oh she's give her the check this they're I can see why they're not protecting her like why would you want to have her go at the end kind of thing you know so No One's Gonna stick up for her when you when that's your opposition I agree britne is saying I loved Casey's takes because she's too Petty Casey is clearly annoyed by her but Casey really is the queen of the social game that is very true Chris saying there's no single rookie on this season literally what Casey is what is Casey talking about yeah there is no rookie I think if you if you had to say someone is a

14:54 Rookie who's the most Rookie of them all Avery probably maybe k yeah Carin and Avery have played the same amount of Seasons Olivia's played less Seasons no I think Olivia's on par with them I think Olivia kylin and Avery would be the rookies they on their third yeah I think they're all on their third okay someone in the chat will correct us on that I'm sure they'll have the receipts Anar and horo would have been three they would have been they would have been three as well yeah there few that's why when Casey said that I feel like it was editing Magic I don't think she was talking specifically about Jenny and I feel like maybe it was early on in the season or something where they're talking about the fact that she's got yeah like haasio kylin narice Olivia all on the one team and I was like I feel like that they took it and put it on Jenny when it maybe wasn't I don't know it's like how it's like it's like how kyin agreed with Laurel against K Maria and then it came out afterwards he's like that was completely for something different than what happened on our screens like you can never trust the editor for when that when that it's when The Magicians trick us out of the Hat you know the it doesn't look like magic anymore to us viewers when we watch it Britney is saying I think Casey was trying to say that Jenny keeps complaining without doing

16:14 Anything to actually change his situation I agree with you Britney that's what I got from it as well and I don't like it when people are just like oh poor me nothing's going to change it's like well don't listen to people throw in who you want to throw in which I do think that is what she did with the this episode we'll talk about that a little bit more later on Lena saying Casey is envious but she is smart at bonding with people that has good connections those connections are starting to wear down so this is what is making the season very interesting and we will talk about that Chris say I'm glad we are getting something from Casey Lena saying bananas and West has amazing TV chemistry totally agree with that Bry saying bananas complained last night about not getting enough screen time bro there's 40 people it's not always about you completely right but this is what happens like you know narcissists make and I'm not saying he is one he's got some Tendencies I don't want him to be coming at me he's got some Tendencies but that kind of personality type really I think is what feeds into good reality TV character characters britainy is saying Jordan is definitely taking the big brother Mentor role totally agree Britney's Al at him complaining on Twitter don't get it he's getting a good amount of screen time lots of attention just not 100% of the attention Cory got humbled he thought he was going to smoke Derek and the elimination definitely a very impressive performance by Derk we'll talk about that Lena

17:34 Saying I agree I think Cory could have W could win I do think he's got a really good yeah good case I feel like Dana we've asked you this before I'm GNA try and remember it next time in a way I makes sense it makes sense Lan saying love Cory's edit agree with you Lan Chris saying I guess technically kin only has two seasons on the main Challenge three if you include him on USA I kind of do include the USA as Seasons because I do think some of those seasons have been pretty competitive I guess if you think about it they don't go up against the main so yeah I mean it's getting all blurry these days like I kind of I do count it oh no he's was he USA one or USA 2 question one yeah so that wasn't with the Tories and bananas and all that and he's the only one from the USA that made it over to the main show from memory as well I don't think there's anybody else that's actually like that started on USA that actually migrated over to the main show right no you're right and it's a good choice I think it's a good choice so let's get into it a little bit more we had the Ryan moment we have them I think just one more moment before we get into the daily probably to talk about I did find it kind of interesting while Casey was [ __ ] talking for lack of a better word Jenny Michelle was out there hustling building connections with Jenny pumping

18:54 Her up making sure she's not losing like motivation to be in the game and I kind of think Casey's being caught asleep at the wheel a little bit here like you know embrace the person maybe you don't want to stroke the ego a little bit maybe it's tiring if they're constantly in a down mood but Michelle's doing what Michelle does she's great at the social game and she's building connections even though she gets annoyed with the advice that she gives Jenny being that you have to play your own game and don't worry about other people when Jenny does do whatever she wants and doesn't listen to Michelle later in the episode I did think that it was a good moment there for Michelle at least trying to BU that bridge right yeah like I guess if I think about it now I'm trying to like all the repercussions and all that sort of thing the fact that Casey keeps banging on about Jenny not having the relationships and the connections I guess it's almost beneficial for someone like Casey and it should be beneficial for someone like Michelle to have someone in your team be a constant option as a Target to be that Shield that you know if you're a team that hasn't decided to rotate I'd be like yeah cool I'm happy that Jenny is always going to be picked and always going to be an option because she doesn't have those connections Michelle to bring her in so that she doesn't become the target of a Jenny that will

20:14 Win eliminations and come back in the house and you know get picked that's a smart move but I don't think it necessarily it's more of a defensive move then you know it'll be good to have her in my corner it would be more like it'll be good to not have her go against me you know that sort of thing I think so yeah benefit in that regard but socially Jenny just doesn't bring that much to the table which is why maybe Casey's like I don't see the benefit of embracing her in that regard and I'm happy to have someone be a shield as an option that's out there that is unliked yeah I saw some people obviously throw some shade at Casey online about the fact that she never jumped in and she's playing a scared game and all that kind of stuff and I'm like I applaud you girl like don't go in there if you don't need to never nominate yourself like that's the way to get to the end smart game yeah she's playing a smart game people hate it so B actually scared game is not a smart game there's a difference between those two right what do you mean a scared game no scared game definitely isn't always because it depends on it depends on when you're scared you shouldn't be scared to make a move that benefits you like we see a lot of people and this is where I do applaud Theo and Jenny West they were like they were always going to do their own thing and why not they're in the I it was very interesting in the early stages of this episode where dere was coming up to Theo and

21:34 It's probably another reason this episode was probably yeah this wasn't probably this was my favorite episode today for this season and the reason for it being is that we're starting to see a little bit more Theo's game like he's kind of just been nowhere and I think Theo is such a presence on this season and the more Theo content we get the better and I really love the fact that we got to see a little bit where he is socially and strategically in this game where he's like no one else is talking game with me no one else is promising me anything in the game so if dereck's going to come out to me I'm going to do it and I also love the fact that even in the middle of the daily he didn't go back on his word like he was like no Derek came to me first Cory I don't care I'm sticking to the word that I had with Derek try to comeing into the daily so those are all things where I'm like you know I really am rooting for Theo in this game like he's someone I can get behind I mean I love Theo like he's he should be I think on a long enough timeline if he didn't have the injury if he was still coming back and all that he would have won multiple championships by now he's an Olympic level athlete like that is 6 foot eight and is now bulked up bigger than like CT and stuff but I don't think he's lost the athleticism because he's a monster and he seems to be incredibly likable he's he Shines on TV controversial

22:54 Question Chris I'll pose it to you now we've talked many times in the past about how much of a disadvantage non or English as a second language speakers are on this show they often get left out of things and blah do you think that when you look at a show like this when language is not a barrier but both Jenny West and Theo geography are they being almost shunned or like yeah like you think for two for two for two reasons I think this is a problem like firstly yes even if there was someone that came onto the show season after season if you think back about someone like Kyle like eventually Kyle worked his way into the inner workings with the USA alliances and he had some people he could rely and Trust on but he was never like anybody's main guy he was always like their third or their fourth choice right in those alliances so I feel like geography comes into play because you just we've spoken about this there is no chance for you to be on the vacation Alliance to go for a road trip on the weekend or just to hang out more frequently you're going to become closer friends with people that are in close proximity to you right so that's a massive disadvantage that people from the UK have to work on when they come over to a show which is a USA based franchise where 80 or 90% of the players are going to be from the

24:14 USA every single season right so that's one problem now it's compounded by the fact that Jenny and Theo have not been coming back every season they haven't chosen like the should 100% of last season on that season he should I do not understand why battle for a new Champion didn't have Theo on it yeah you know you should just be building this guy up and it's like Britany is saying it's what are they doing they kind of push him to the side he has all the tools of a champion and a good character on the show but it feels like they're not they're not Comm they're not fully committing to Theo as a character that we should get British do you think that's why the production team's not doing it or I don't look I'm going to say something I'm going to be a little bit and I'll give you an insight into the way my mind works for the longest like since I was four years old I've been a really big fan of wrestling pro wrestling and stuff and the last three days I've binge watched this Vince mcmah documentary on Netflix and how they like in wrestling it's a show but they manipulate the outcomes and blah blah and this and Vince MCM would push up the you know up to stardom and give them big opportunities who they wanted to be their Champion we've talked many times about how who's the face of the challenge is Tori the female face of the challenge taking over from Cara Maria the face

25:35 Of the challenge bananas is the face of the challenge blah who's next is it going to be a hassio blah you know but will buam Murray pick an English person to be the star and get the push on an American based show is that a you know like is that question as non-americans I could be I could be naive in this and the live audience tell us what they think but I don't think that anybody from the states would care maybe I don't I don't know if you're saying maybe production is worried that the fans wouldn't want like a two-time three-time British champion coming over every season winning against the Americans I just don't think that fans would care that much like and maybe I'm naive because i' I've traveled so much and it's not a big deal to me but maybe that is maybe that tribalism is a big thing in the states and maybe I'm being super naive to it like so it's possible I just don't think it's so the US what you think it I want Tove this I want segue while people us theirs it you know we've gone back and forth many of times Kahuna on tor's performances on The Challenge you've been a big Tor fan since day one you've flown that flag High you've said she could be one of the great at one point you said she was but now I know we've gotten you to the point of saying she's on her way she's not quite there yet but

26:55 Man do you have to give your flowers to Tori for this daily she beat KY Maria and Laurel to tagging her both of them at the same time with the whole of era 4 which had Jenny W and Casey everybody and she man alone or woman alone stayed in this like Tor is a beast Kahuna like put respect on that girl's name like there's no doubt that the physicality that she has needs to be respected when you can keep both Kar and Laurel at the same time prevent them from pushing you out of the plus there was some stack girls on like Olivia is no slouch either you know she was going up against like five people why are we not hearing enough fans raving about this because no one gives her a flow people hate Tori I don't necessarily know why I don't I don't think she has a bad like a bad enough personality like I don't see it but purely based on performance like this woman is strong she has been pretty close to the top of the pack since her rookie season like she's never ever really floundered on this show like there was never finding a feet there was never any of that she got straight into a liance she performed strong physically I don't know why the hate towards her maybe because she is

28:15 Kind of seen as the Rival or the next Cara Maria and they did have that really bad season so maybe that's part of it I don't know because you know she was coming for the fan favorite or for the longest time who was a fan favorite but I think it's because she's production's favorite I think people don't like it when production chooses the favorites for the fans yeah it could be very much that but and they're like no don't push this person on us don't push him on us like we will decide if I was a if I was production I could see why like she turns up and works strong like she gives them what they want from a TV show when's the last time that Tory jumped on a live to complain about a loss that she had in the arena explain that the game is riged like when last the Tori do that kuna yeah exactly she's not afraid to get into showmances she gets a bit messy she gets into strategy she her confessionals like she's funny and doesn't take herself too seriously she has a bit of the I think it was also like that season where she did get a bit full of herself and her Anda had that mean girls thing like I forget who it was against but you know there's maybe that but I think she's a good performer and I don't necessarily base it on you know personality and all that but again today she showed exactly why like listen I you've got to give a

29:35 Respect I know that Britany here saying well Tori ran away very smart but wouldn't say beat because Laurel did push her off her feet but she then got up and cre a distance I saw it very differently she definitely did stay away very smart agree with you but then they were on her there was no distance between her and this group of five women that were trying to push her off this platform like there was no running away from that situation like she stayed there but one thing we probably need to point out you know like I like to look at all angles by the way kuna I'm not just going to be like I try and be as unb and people know like K Maria is my girl like I stick with her all the time so me giving Tory credit here and saying she beat Cara in this scenario and actually stayed that should be seen as like I'm going to be unbiased but you know when you look at it in an unbiased way she was on the ground when they were pushing her towards the end why did she not get DED like f did because F got DED for the very same reason when people were on him and he couldn't stand up they weren't really giving him the opportunity to stand up we saw a similar shot with Tori being on her knees hands on the ground pushing back against the girls I'm pretty you know aware of that I don't know it felt like it was being treated a little bit differently between the two of them where was Tori because I feel like f was on the edge when he the was in the middle Tori was close to no Tori

30:55 Was close to the edge Theo was in the middle so I feel like again we don't know if there was mult this is the problem with an edited show we don't know if how many times it happened with both of them maybe got maybe Theo got like four or five warnings this was the first time we saw that one shot of Tori but I'm just pointing it out yeah that seemed to and again this is the problem when you've got an edited show and you've got people like us being hyper aware of every single move that everyone's making you know but anyways throwing it out there let's see what people are saying BR is saying I loveday referred to2 as Destiny's Child before the break up that was such a good comment like nemiah has been bringing it every now and again and I'm loving the Bromance or the alliance that's happening between him and Corey like Cory needed his Nelly tea nemiah is providing something for him on the season is you know I don't know funny story Destiny's Child breakup I went to their concert the day they broke up in Sydney wow like came they were the first perance no it was before Michelle when they got Michelle in so it was originally four Destiny's children and then they came to Sydney and performed that night with three and we were all like what is happening where's the other child of Destiny

32:16 And it turned out that they kicked her out and that's when it became the three like it was originally four they kicked her out in Sydney or she didn't come to Sydney and then they became the three Destiny's children which was fun right I didn't even know it's like just slightly before my time I feel like because I didn't even know that they were I remember I remember the Survivor song three it was 1998 yeah I didn't pay attention Lena saying that was funny at Britany says agreed I love Theo and I don't like how the show pushes him to the side we did read this earlier Lena saying I don't agree I believe Theo is always with Olivia they don't want another romance storyline I mean I guess they've got Deon and Michelle this season they don't need to focus on two showmances too much Britany said they did commit to him on War of the Worlds one and two but I did hear that the UK people are more expensive because they are popular in their country and they have agents who know how to negotiate that actually does make a lot of sense because the UK people have normally got more followers online as well yeah well they're big shows there as well like Dana said didn't Theo say that's why he was on world champions because if he didn't get hurt he would have won at least one by then but maybe he was joking yeah like he seems to have a joking personality from what Troy's told us as well he's very he's like that we just don't see a lot of it Britany

33:36 Says while Tori ran away we've read that one Lena says Kyle was on Zack's podcast but Jordi Shaw wouldn't approve so Britany you could be correct Britney saying Tori did give Cara a good push though thumbs up Chris is Right tor's rise felt very forced she was pushed before she even won anything they don't push someone like cam in the same way totally agree yeah Lena saying sorry I left a part of Jord Shaw would not allow C to compete on 40 that's unfortunate Chris saying I think we saw different things the edit the day off the daily was strange totally agree Lance said to be honest personality wise I prefer to see Olivia and Theo Showman's over Devon and Michelle's yeah I mean Deon Devon's killing it man de Devon's kill deon's killing it all fronts mate like what's going on with Deon like I feel like deon's the strategy there he's got Michelle in his corner now like he's just sitting pretty he's got Tori with him you know people were giving me so much Flack in the beginning of the season when I picked him as my first male pick I kind of feel Justified at this point I've lost track of the points I don't know how much but he's constantly in the confessionals yeah he's killing it confessional wise he's narrating the season plus kind of at

34:57 This stage and he's gonna I feel like he's going to take out bananas very soon like he's got his sight set on him they've laid a few seeds there haven't they that they're kind of you know planting something that's for sure yeah so it's very interesting see what other people are saying here personality wise yeah Olivia for me can come and go I don't know I don't know like I don't ha I don't hate any of these characters but I don't necessarily support root against I'm very like neutral on Olivia at this stage how do you feel about Olivia she's been a non- entity this season though it's hard to like we're coming off what she did to niss and Hario last season is probably like our most and then she's had some fun moments though we'll give it to her that moment where she was like with the camera like turn that was a good moment I've got to give her some flowers for that look I at r or dies I bought all the Olivia stock I could I was like sell all my other stock I'm putting it Olivia in my portfolio I want all of that and I felt like it was a bad investment last season but I still have it I still have Olivia stock that I'm holding on to I might be the only one on Olivia Island but I am hoping that stock goes through the roof at some point because I think she does have a lot of what the show's looking for like she's obviously incredibly photogenic

36:17 She seems to not shy away from drama she's either going to be in showmances or get a bit messy with friendships and stuff like with narice like didn't back down from that I'm hoping when she finds a bit of her personality that's not so heavily tied to horo she felt like she had a big like not standing on her two feet she was in Haria Shadow and then she was in the drum of nar's Shadow last season and kind of didn't know how to go about navigating playing on her own with Michelle and that whole thing and kind of fell into this coward hole which everyone labeled her with I'm hoping she can be her own thing because I still like her a lot yeah Britany is saying shocking of how little screen time Olivia is getting I think she has the best potential out of the lot of newbies this far do agree with that as well so when we look at the daily what did you think of the daily kuner we did you like it for me personally I'm a big fan of anything physical there's a lot of people that ended up with bandages on their faces afterwards a lot of people got cut up a little bit who were the people who stood out like we spoke about Tori you know who really R rised over to the occasion I thought Josh was phenomenal which is another take that people are not going to like he really put that yeah he bloody he decked Jordan

37:37 Got him to the ground like and I bet you people are going to be like yeah there was a reason Jordan was off balance or he got him pretty good I me Josh is a big dude man he's what like six' three and like he's not a little guy at all so he that's a game where we've talked many times about where Josh's he's Li and it's not in size and strength it's in coordination athleticism skill hand eye all that sort of thing how would Josh have done in this Arena and he needed to box yeah oh maybe because you know he's just swinging wildly there but in this one it's just like run into things run into things your yeah he can do it's pretty good for him look and he and he and he had the war scars he had the cars afterwards he had the bandages so back that's for sure unlike Avery who was protecting the money maker he was putting it all on the line you know what again I feel like the edit did something funny there because they going on about her money maker and then we see the elimination just get [ __ ] humed in I wonder where that confessional was it on the daily or was it where she was getting punched in the face repeatedly where did they

38:57 Edit that out of you know a commentary I do love the physical nature of it was so much fun it was also one of the rare dailies where I feel like oh my God I would like to do that looks like where I could smack people you know that looks like fun but I do think in the format of the season when it's teams base and we had Derek and Rachel just being no like it's broken right like it's at that point it's like what's the point Derek was always going to come last unless you eliminated an entire team and have zero people left like they had zero chance and that's just feels really anticlimactic coming into a challenge which on paper and Visually everything was all so much fun but there's just that little bit of like well what are they supposed to do here like yeah I don't know I feel like if I was Derek but the problem is he wasn't fighting for himself he was fighting for Rachel as well but I was thinking if I was Derek I almost would have just been like I'll bounce out like this is this is an uneven playing field I'd rather save the leg for whatever is ahead in the arena rather than mess my leg up even further you know because really both him and Rachel had no chance to win this one it was very unfairly lopsided against them

40:18 Some people will argue while the teams who had the advantage earned that Advantage by winning a lot of daes or winning Arenas to be in the spot that they're in the game it's not like it's the opening of the season so they kind of earned their way to have this Advantage going into the daily but I can definitely see how you can look at it from two sides of the coin the other thing for me is also what makes Derek such a great Challenger and I think Derek is someone whose stocks started going down on All Stars you know he was quite High when we looked at him in All Star one coming back everybody was high on him I even chose him as like my second guy pick I think that season and he just fell down our picking order all of us the trial whenever we did our drafts he's kind of right back up there like the main show is where he belongs he doesn't belong on All Star All Star is not the pace that we need him at we need him going up against these young kids because he's still got it he still has that dog in him that I think a lot of new kids don't even have and this is what makes him such a great competitor kuna is the fact that he doesn't back down he's not going to take the easy Road he's going to he's going to go until they put him in an ambulance basically and I don't think there's many people still around in this new era of the challenge that will actually lose a limb for the game like he is probably one of the few people that will be up there when it comes to

41:38 To that dedication to this to the show wouldn't you agree I would 100% agree with that and I'm also a little bit conflicted about it like CU there's a part of me that's like that is freaking badass the heart the determination all that sort of thing but then there's a of me whether it's the parent the middle-aged man the middle manager in me that's like oh that's dumb that's not that's really not smart for your long your long-term Health your well-being your career like the health system in America Derek what are you doing like yeah like you know tot he's like setting himself up for so much pain and I'm like there's that conflicting him I'm like where's Medics take him off this game it's really unfair like it's not a good if he's too dumb to look after himself someone needs to but at the same time need to be a grownup in the room there needs to be a grownup in the room that's right because the fact that you said grown up in the room is so fitting for your analysis on Derek on All Star versus the main show where the all stars are grown-ups and we saw Derek with his Hawaiian shirt and that chill vibe that he had that season where I was like what is this character that he's doing when we all know

42:58 This is what Derek is the freaking pitbull that everyone keeps banging on about he doesn't yeah like the vibe it's just it's a Vibe check right it's a little bit more chill it's a little bit more relaxed and maybe he went hey that's my age now these are my people but he's got that dog in him like you said that hasn't aged at all that's still just like and he'll still just throw himself to the Head gun to the Head King cash is saying who's the top five challenges with that dog in them so I'll start you go afterwards and we'll see if we can we can go without stopping so I'll start with CT who do you have kuna Jordan yeah I'd say car Maria car Maria definitely has it easy one for you come on tor's got it yeah Laurel those like I thought you were going to go like straight there but isn't it funny how we isn't it funny how immed we got four women there Tori Laurel car Maria and then we've got Jordan and CTI all great competitors but we did not mention the goat himself bananas who was the first person out on this daily yeah like after talking himself up being the greatest of all time having this big round on you know the confessional part of it and then really not living up to that

44:19 Sort of expectation that out there of someone who's calling themselves the goat especially because there's so much of this daily spefic specifically that I think you could have got away with being a little bit more smart about it like we saw Derek C on era 2 like really sitting back we saw Tori running away and sitting on the edges and playing it a little bit smarter which is usually where banana sees the angles right he knows how to gain the system he'll throw people in front of him I think there's also an element to be honest with you Banana's team as far as males go like when you're looking at that team and you go okay we've got Derek we've got Ryan Nehemiah and bananas who do you Target first to get out of this game so who do you say between bananas nemiah and Ryan and Derek yeah you're gonna go bananas yeah right yeah so that's yeah like it makes sense yeah it makes sense King cash is saying not even putting Derek in the top five the disrespect I said you may have missed it if we don't take Derek into account Derek is an automatic we wanted to have top five people who had the dog in them similar to Derek and I think that even after this you probably should put Cory's name in that bracket because he starting to become that did you know that Guna Cory now has

45:39 Seven wins in his last eight eliminations he's won 10 eliminations out of 14 in total he's starting to get up the rankings as one of the best elimination Specialists that the challenge has ever seen I think there's only like two or three people ever that have gone seven from eight in the history of the show like the guys statistically he's a force to be reckoned with and you know when you're taking out somebody like Derek even on one leg like it's still pretty impressive like you know you just know dereck's not going to quit well I saw statistically that this elimination actually leap frogged so Corey overtook Derek in win percentage with that win so before today or before this week Dereck was ahead of Cory and that shows you're right like Cory definitely has that dog in him because Derek is seen as at least elimination wise one of the best Rachel called him the goat which is freaking weird for Rachel like he's not even like second TI he obviously he's in a position of his own as far as physical elimination specifically we've never thought Derek as a particular strategic force in this game you know he's never really done a lot besides showing that dog which we're talking about can I tell you who's going to who's going to who's going to potenti show us seon if they've the

46:59 Dog in them probably some people even say why didn't you mention them today but I think if this survives until the end of this game you're gonna have to say up there is Rachel like she's the only person left for1 she's going to go in every single time moving forward in the game she's going to have to win her way to the ENA like if Rachel can find a way to go into each Arena eliminating girl after girl from another era wouldn't you say that's someone that's got some dog in them and I feel like we spoke about this a couple of weeks ago she's starting to wake up the Rachel the champion the person's like I'm freaking Rachel I'm one of the best Challengers ever I'm like I'm a big deal like we're seeing that fight in her wake up you know even the way she approached this elimination was impressive she's looking amazing like I talked about last week on a season of a murderous row of casts potentially the strongest biggest best cast in the history of the show I said if Cory wins this it's amazing like for that to be his first win blah it's even Amplified like narrative wise for if Rachel wins this if she goes through who's left now is a car Maria a laurel a Tori a fre like it's insane the K Casey like so many champions

48:19 Left with her byself me against the world and also the person who's been out of it the longest man like I don't know if she's going to win but I feel like I'm getting like this is like sports like the script writers couldn't write this right like if this actually turns out the way it's going which I don't think it will like how does she win from here like I don't know I'm leaning I'm leaning edit wise for the females I'm leaning Jenny or Rachel at this point I feel like they're both are getting pretty strong edits but it could also just be because they're both in the underdog situation car yeah Cara hasn't had as big of an edit like she's had in some previous Seasons but I think it's just because of the level of personalities that are around this time so yeah I don't know I think it's too early to tell at this stage and also the format obviously can still change in the game moving forward as well BR saying what bananas did in this daily is why I think people don't automatically give him the goat status even though he's won the most he's looking for the easy way out sometimes you've just got to leave it all on the line and we spoke about I would have probably done the bananas thing in some ways but it's not great for TV and that's why Derek is up there King cash saying po has an argument oh for having dog in him yeah he does yeah he does it's just I feel like in

49:39 Paulie's case like I do like Paulie and I think he's a he's a needed character on The Challenge I just want to start with that because I think he brings a lot of drama and it's fun to watch and everything but paully for me at this stage has the dog in him it's a Ying yeah hasn't necessarily backed it up yet and I'm here for Paulie coming in and backing it up I would be very happy for if he did like I kind of feel like if there's ever been someone that really needs a w it's Paulie right and I feel like it would mean more to him than anyone else or maybe like Cory as well because he's put in the work but you know like he just hasn't done it yet Lena saying I just don't believe people like him Britany so emotionally it's hard for some to consider him the goat but he is well rounded yeah I mean go a goat can be a lot of different things like statistically championships give to the guy like and I don't always know if recency buyers should be taken into account when it comes to like he's done what he's done before on the show and should always be looked up to but it does remind me a little bit of that high school football player that never really achieved anything after high school and then they come back and tell people about how great they were back in the day this season but again the guys made a lot of finals even recently you know so he's not doing too bad for someone that's in I believe his 40s now so let's move on a little bit to the deliberation and the strategy

51:00 That was used here by the end of it with Theo and Jenny going back to their team to say hey let's make a choice out of this Theo obviously trying to share the blame just in case any of the fallback comes back his way and then I thought it was kind of interesting to see who fell for it and who didn't fall for it right immediately Devon was like something's not right here something smells fishy and Cory on the other hand man did he on to that like he went bana said Josh like it was like you know I love Cory's an amazing character but he's not the sharpest tool in the shed when it comes to these social strategic games like he did not pick up on the fact that it was like I understood Josh's case yet it was it was a non-choice maybe Josh should have just still had his back and it would have been better 100% to do that like bad on Josh as well why yeah bad on Josh as well but I think I think you're right if it really was a true non-choice if Josh knew that and that's what he was saying to Cory he's like it's not I couldn't have done anything Theo was by the way when he called Theo out on it and Theo didn't say anything he just shut upar yeah he's like I'm not I'm not talking he's like maybe Cory's like maybe you might have but yeah like for them to play it that way like Cory just

52:20 Hookline and sinker just straight in like no chance of believing anything other than but it was Josh's chance there if there was really no chance to invite to change Theo's mind then he could have at least said it for the sake of getting my name on paper like I did go back you up Cory I swear I couldn't do anything I tried real hard the was not budging but I tried right and he can't what would have been the downside what would have been the downside to Josh if he did speak up for Corey his friend Cory here what would have been what would have been the Fallout that Josh was so scared of I don't know I don't think it was anything which makes it even would have done it anyway right I don't think they were going to vote with the team what's the upside is Theo is forced to show his hand he's forced to show his hand and do whatever he wants so then they could be like well it was on Theo so I feel so bad from Casey as well then yeah K Casey is like for the first time I'm getting the challenge World Championship vibes from her she's going to be I feel like in a world of hurt very soon because Tori looked at this and she's like well Cory wasn't like that tight with me like Cory's like an affiliate of the vacation Alliance we spoke about it last week Cory's too cool to hang out with the vacation Alliance he doesn't want to

53:40 Be associated with him he does his own thing which I fully appreciate and understand but she's kind of looking at the moment and it's like if they can turn their back on him so quickly and on this era I don't know if I can trust them in this game I don't know if they're going to move with me and they're starting to lose Tori if they lose Tori Deon will turn on them deon's going to put the pressure on to go after bananas Josh is going to try and save bananas because for some other reason he now wants to be besties with bananas and it's just going to drive that witch into the vacation Alliance like I feel like that's why I'm excited to see how the season's GNA going to play out moving forward like I see the vacation Alliance kind of imploding I don't I don't because I don't think I think if it was Tori or Devin it wouldn't have been an issue it's because Cory is Expendable to them right like even Casey and Josh like they Cory was going at Josh but like he was right like Cory's like you've only ever saved me did something for me once when it was because of fessie like they're banging on because they literally have done Seasons together but they haven't ever really worked together have they've never really been especially Casey as well like I've never seen Casey and Cory be I think Cory that loyalty kind of connection with Jos because of fessie and Cora are really the two that are close yeah he kind of even spoke to that he's like the only time you had my back in this game was because of FY

55:00 You've never actually had my back in this game why he up yeah cor Cory should Cory should learn from this 100% And he should get other friends like I mean Cory could have kept who did he vote against for deification Alliance in the beginning you vote against Tony and who else is the other person oh no Tony through himself in forgot about that it was a bad new yeah no I don't know I just feel like lot of lot of bad Gameplay at this moment Lena saying the death of the vacation Alliance that's what we're hoping for here King cash is also saying cor was right if you're my real friend call their Bluff britan is saying it's crazy how Joss keeps making mistakes and betraying friends but never faces any consequences King cash is saying Casey finally exposed as a mid game player ouch that hurts King cash L say Britney I was wondering the same thing yeah J seems to always just get away with these things I'm not sure an idiot people feel sorry for him like no it's because he's not people don't see him as a genuine threat or anything real in the game like Devon the way you know we talked last week about how there seems to be a bit of a ceasefire between a bananas

56:21 A Jordan a Devon and it feels like it's like Josh is never in that conversation like is like he's even tried to build it up and they're like they don't see him in this on the same level they don't look at him in the same way that's why he also doesn't cop the Flack because he just does another Josh thing he's the Goof he's the idiot that keeps making mistakes he's overly emotional he cries let me talk and so you can't take that seriously like when my today my toddler got a hold of some bottle of detergent from the laundry and it ended up all the way down our hallway right and my wife was pissed I was pissed too but at the end of the day I went he's two like what am I like what do we expect from him and I feel like that's how people think of Josh he doesn't get in trouble because he's two that's the that's the thing with Josh see Dana thank you for checking the live out we appreciate it yeah I totally agree with you on that let's get into the actual Arena so obviously with the arena they had blind boxing being blindfolded Rachel had to go up against Avery and Derek and Cory finally got that matchup that they were looking for after the blow up at the daily where it looked like they were going to go blow for blow get to F really appreciated

57:41 The fact that it didn't get there it shows the maturity and how much these two individuals have grown up I think Derek was ready for it like derck is old school but Cory was like I got too much to lose out of this like Derek's already Derek's already on his way out like you know I've at least got another 10 seasons ahead of me I need to not like he's the one who walked away and that's when D got pissed off and the live vest at him jacket Cory started it though right yeah do you think Cory was heated because of the TOs M like when you're doing something like that it's like when you play a rugby game right or American football or something the testosterone is high it's like did you watch UFC at all do you watch it did you see the fight did you see the fight where dck is dy the middle middleweight champion he won his fight and then the Israel Adis came into the ring straight afterwards to be in his face and talk to him and I was just thinking to myself as someone that has competed that have done karate before and have been in those the adrenaline is so high it's the worst time to come at someone straight after a fight because dumb things can happen and this is exactly what was happening here like Cory was pumped you know and he was like at that level and then obviously Derrick's not gonna stand back so but it but it did make for a very awesome moment with seeing the two of them go head to-head

59:01 But obviously we started with the women so I want to talk about the woman first When Rachel said that she had background in karate immediately I was like okay well I've really liked Rachel this season I'm like I'm even more connected as someone that's done karate for many years as well I was like I love this and one of the things that I don't know if it was the same for Rachel I don't know what styles she trained in but because you know different styles can be like baseball and Cricket could be that different from each other a lot of people just think karate is one blanket thing but it's different styles is different we actually used to get train blindfolded they would train us to simulate being at like if something happened in the middle of the night and you had to defend yourself and Pitch Black you need to be able to move righty yeah so did you do the thing where you strapped chickens to your feet as well no but I was just thinking to myself if they if she went for any similar kind of training to this like she had such an upper hand going into this thing right like and being able to keep post she clearly she said she did competitions when she was younger and things like that she looked good she like I was expecting her at some point to actually put Avery on her on her ass to be honest because even though you got that head GE you can still knock someone out I didn't think it was fair first of all that Avery was told different rules to everyone else because apparently they told Avery you're not allowed to move which I thought was really weird really well no but she did not move

1:00:21 And I'm like why is she just standing there like are you allowed to move like is think like what is happening why is she just taking and then I figured like being someone who's done martial arts I haven't been in a lot of fights in my life but I do know that you get punched in the face and you're like and they start just standing still like covering up you know ball whatever it is you're just in that like holy crap I'm in Instinct instinctive survival mode and she's not really thinking strategically she's just like I'm getting I can't remember who said it but it's a famous boxer who said everybody has a plan until they get hit in the face punched in the face it's Mike Tyson yeah Mike Tyson I feel like it was and then your knees go weak you don't know what to do it's you get a fight or flight reaction in these moments and clearly she didn't fight or flight she stayed still yeah she had a freeze reaction to this she clearly like she said she does boxing she does boxing but listen I was gonna say Avery like doing Fitness Yoga boxing where you just punch air like it's not the same as actually sparring with somewhat it's very different she got found out a little bit in this one you know what was funny about this though have you actually seen like this was a Japanese this is like a Japanese game show meme type thing oh really have you seen yeah

1:01:41 Like hang I can I can see that just chicken do blindfold chicken screaming chicken blindfold screaming chicken let me see what we can find blindfold screaming chicken is this from a an actual game show I mean not well they do it constantly and this is actual TV show or something no probably not TV show or maybe a trend or like a like a Tik Tok Trend or something but this is where they stole it from okay this I don't know if this is it I don't know if we should even this looks painful they've got like a belt that they're Hing them with is that is that it's whatever it is a belt a stick blah but it's pretty funny I just think it's funny that they copied it no but I trust you I trust you I trust you let's see what bry's saying yeah you're right K in Aver exit interview she said she was told that she couldn't cover anything up so she got confused and didn't make a plan yeah very strange King cast saying crawl away like your life depends on it at that point she was good at fighting during the real world right yeah oh yeah she that's why Nia said she's got a mean punch cuz I think Nia c one from Avery I didn't watch the real world see that's where it's over my

1:03:01 Head but yeah I thought it was fun I thought it was a very fun elimination lot of color whenever they hit those specific pressure points and you saw the big bags of whatever they had powder yeah I thought it was good and then obviously you obviously had Corey and Derek which you know the Rachel one from the start I could tell that she smashed it right because there was there was nothing left afterwards on they did a very quick flash like there was one point where she still like a still had like a bunch of spots that weren't hit and then they flashed back to the end and you could see they were all gone and we missed it in between and then they very quickly moved on to Rachel and I was like ah she's in trouble she's in trouble and then obviously very one-sided knew Rachel was going to win I don't think we were ever in doubt then we had the whole Cory and Derek one and I do want to say one thing what a what a match up between both of them being able to smash every single one of those points but it was a massive Advantage for who ever got to be the evader on the second round can you think why ca tired you just got smacked in the head consistently multiple times and then you have to put blindfolds on you're probably going to be a little bit dis I don't know but you're probably going to be a bit disorientated after

1:04:21 Getting smacked in the head so many times like you know and now you've got to go and punch after afterward so Derek really worked at I feel like two disadvantages he was hopping on one leg the whole time his best and then had to go second with the punches and still managed to get all of them so what's the looking at the game what at the elimination what's the meta here what do you how do you approach this so for me looking at this it was my head my brain was hurting because I was thinking to myself it's like in karate you learned to Parry punches so I would have been trying to Parry it but I don't know if it was in the rules that they weren't allowed to do it if they were that's what I want to know the rules because I'm like I'm holding them I'm sitting on them well I will say one thing I would firstly I wouldn't have liked being able like just to get punched without being able to defend myself I would not like that so I wouldn't I wouldn't punch but I would want to block or move someone's energy in a direction grapple yeah and well if you look at Cory kind of did it a couple of times where Derek was he would run into him yeah and it wasn't stopped right and Derek off his balance every single time he did that which would have had an effect on the time that it took for Derek to hit all of those spots right so and Derek didn't have that same strategy Derek was just trying to survive using the Rope to kind of move around as much as he could but yeah I think it's not an

1:05:41 Easy an easy challeng to do yeah let's look at what people are saying grab it back they can't like trying to get trying to get you behind BR says Rachel beats all the females in the house in this I totally agree Britany says Derek basically threw his entire body at Cory very smart King Cas saying Cy looked like he was holding Derek in place while hitting him that's the approach you got to hold him and then just rub along get all them just hold him like that yeah the best moment definitely of the whole Arena was the end of it where Cory and Derek didn't brace and Cory in Victory obviously saying to him like listen you're a champion you're a warrior this was a close one could have gone either way I thought that was really admirable to see like you know the way that you act when you are winning I think is so important and what a great moment between two absolute Warriors there ker that was like that was those are the moments that it's like as a super toxic male you're allowed to cry like they're the sports where I was like man that

1:07:01 That got me I'm like I like seeing that's like you know the moments where it's like men can have emotions is the is the only time after you've beat someone in a fight or at the end of a sports match is when men are allowed to cry apparently and they showed a lot of respect I really appreciated that especially when there was heat there was a bit of you know a bit of bitterness between them especially because like you said Cory was so heated and they got like postmatch Clarity and kind of went you know the fact that Derek even said thank you for the opportunity like I thought it was amazing the respect the respect and the honor between the two they clearly there's something that I think you just understand it's you see it in other sports as well which I know like people don't like the challenge to be compared to a sport but when you've gone head-to-head with the best and you put it all out there is a level of respect afterwards and you actually even give respect to the opponent that gave you the opportunity to compete you know so I thought it was beautiful you know definitely rooting for Cory even more so after this and this is why I'm saying like I think Cory is someone that I would like you know I'd love to see him get it like and he's gotten better at a lot of other things like he's getting better at the puzzles he's working on it you know being a dad has helped him so he does the puzzles with his daughters right or daughter yeah so I think that's

1:08:21 Really admirable and Lance saying yes starting to root for Cory even more so Lena saying Class Act King cash is saying on a side note Nelson's got that dog in him definitely I mean the comeback Journey that he's in he has to have it you know like he has to have that Britney is saying appreciative of Cory but I think he was moved by how great der did despite his injuries or injury you should you should definitely tip your hat to him and even when Derek was like head down he was like no get your head up you know you did well be proud this was a close one you know Bry saying agreed Chris it was such a vet moment yeah they argue but once the game is over they're over it and they move on exactly no drama no BS no Twitter Wars afterwards or X Wars and all this kind of nonsense that we see from the new school they just don't breed them like that anymore we had someone earlier say kuna that we should get a newbie like Tina and I didn't actually bring up the comments I don't remember who said it but again we're living in a new generation of people now that don't they're just not breed like Tina like there's not and I don't even know like where do you find someone like Tina you know K where do you find them we don't have the real world we don't have Road Rules where they used to get these people from so I don't know what show is casting for people like that it's just a different generation anyone that you

1:09:41 Find now for a show like this has come through not only whatever show they recruited them out of but has had the last 10 15 years of social media of you know being on Tik Tok of being a image to the public and I feel like young people going forward are just going to be way more polished as far as their Public Image goes because they also know what comes back to them they also know you get cancelled 10 years after the fact they also know that the next generation will look at what you did today and go oh that wasn't that wasn't great and I feel like you know the people today have that in mind that they're trained and bred and honed in a very different world to what well K is kind of making us both look dumb because K is saying love Island and I do remember we spoke about challenges from the USA that have made it over to the main show and kylin being the only one another one that comes to mind that stands out that I think would be a great addition to the main show is cache from That season as well I don't know if you remember her but she was one of those people that for me just really a bright spark on the show she was there with her ex on that season and just a lot of fun like had a really fun personality I think she's currently on a different show I saw something where she was casted somewhere else but

1:11:02 Yeah there's definitely still people out there I just don't know if the production team's looking at the right places for these people at the moment however this is the end of they go to they go to the survivors and the amazing races and the Big Brothers of the world not to the love islands and are you the ones and all that anymore you know what I mean it's a different pool that they're drafting from yeah they're trying to look for the competitors for the competitive side of it the strategy and then the physical side of things but I do think that if you invest like look at someone like Devon who came from are you the one you know he's become a competitor he's become a champion you could bolt someone up but everybody it is getting late on the side here we are going to close it off thank you so much for everybody that jumped on really early over in the states we really appreciate the love and support that you guys give us every single week when we talk about one of our favorite shows potentially now my favorite show in the US because I just feel like Survivor hasn't like this week wasn't too bad but it's not hitting it for me like the challenge every week you know so I'm always happy to talk about the challenge when I do get to talk about it here on the channel the lores hello and goodbye at the same time I hope you're doing well and I hope you do check out the content and let us know what you thought of our thoughts for this episode if you love the content subscribe hit the like button

1:12:22 Put some notes down below let us know what your thoughts are on this season so far who are you rooting for now that we're getting closer and closer to the midseason point of the challenge 40 I'd love to hear from you but for now we're going to say goodbye we will be back next week to talk about all of the action same time same place thank you so much everybody have a good day wherever you are in the world and we'll catch you guys next week bye