The Challenge All Stars 4: Episode 5

0:00 P [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] Hello everybody welcome back to the nullify Tech Channel on YouTube where we've got the TNT takes for you on the challenge All Stars episode 5 that's right I'm your host Chris and with me again today someone who helped the for down with our friend Drew from the angel cake entertainment channel it's Kahuna how's it going doing well man good morning good morning and good evening to everyone watching yeah I'm glad you're

1:20 Back Chris to bring the nullified take back to the level where it's supposed to be rather than I'm hop I'm hoping you didn't watch last week's live and see some of the it was a fun time I appreciated everyone yeah I saw some of the comments and I was too afraid to watch to be honest with you after seeing the comments come in I was like ah it sounds like you guys had a lot of fun while I was not here but you know we're back now Dre I'm blaming Drew yeah Drew is a bit of a loose cannon sometimes you know like I'm not surprised but I expected more from you kuna I thought you could hold the for down yeah it's my bad no listen for those who are not aware obviously last week I went over to Sydney that the spidan race ended up having a lot of fun there you know first time in I don't know it was about four and a half years that I competed in it because obviously Co reasons injuries and things like that went extremely well better than what I expected and then afterwards I ended up catching up with you ker we actually met in person for the very first time my good man that was good we spent so many hours talking over internet connection to actually do it in person and have a chat it was like we when we podcast we like even though we just met each other for the first time in person we just started talking for like ages

2:40 It was really good to meet you actually and I was surprised like Drew was right I think Chris is about 610 to 7 foot somewhere there a very intimidating presence to be in front of like he's a big dude you don't see it on the camera angle he's got I don't know what it is but yeah Den asking where's the picture we will put a picture up on the channel in the I guess we can do it in the Community tab we'll put something on so yeah we did take a picture before I left but yeah it's it was a lot of fun and please stop saying that you're creating a Threat Level around me if I was ever to go play Australian Survivor where people will now think I'm this big dude I'm already gonna you know shave off all my hair shave my beard go and looking completely different I to your place Survivor so people can't recognize me from the nullify take but anyways say hello here to a few people in the live we've got lovable Nikki and Chris back like always hello ladies hope both of you are doing extremely well Darren is here as well as well as th we've got Danica here as well we've got dandre I hope I'm pronouncing that right in the live as well welcome to the live Erica is here as well as Lena who else do we have yes so quite a few people V Victoria welcome to the live as well so quite a few

4:00 People what a great ending to the previous episode we had two heavy weights go head-to-head and a ninja star throwing competition at the end of an arena you know maybe they could have done something better more you know that would have been better for the fans to enjoy like maybe getting them go into a headbanger head-to-head would have been more exciting to see especially for two physical presences like both they both of them were like going into it felt like a little bit of a 5050 but obviously I was very happy because K Maria came out on the other end of that looking pretty right she managed to survive took out one of the biggest names in the game and she's coming back into the house this week and there's a lot of people that have to answer to karia now I didn't listen to the conversation between yourself and Drew about the whole cam situation the whole Brandon situation but obviously that's going to be a continued theme here within this episode where were you guys sitting on it and did that change coming into this episode seeing the Fallout of everything that took place so last week I kind of took the approach of like it was a bit weird that cam was coming so hard at her because it didn't matter what car did as far as the vote go like where car voted it was already set I think cam just wanted to make sure she was on her side this

5:20 Week I'm a little bit I'm funny about it because I guess it's the Fallout or the reaction how you react to things is where I kind of Judge like the circumstances yes it sucks but now you're like keeping it going and being upset and all that is going to make it worse for you in the long run and we saw that sort of play out the way Cara had that chat with Cam and kind of like Leo was like look you gota you got to chat with Cam have a talk like discuss it and it ended up being worse and then she got a very real talk from Brandon which I thought was interesting the way he just sort of laid it out all on Front Street like you keep saying we're i't talked to you in8 years like what's up like I've been married I've had kids I've been divorced my father died I almost died multiple times I'm like holy crap Brandon yeah I don't think there was he went deep he went deep I don't think there was any winners or losers in this I didn't feel like car Maria was looking any worse like I even last week like and for me obviously car as my girl you know I'm always going to stand for car Maria but I understood from a game move perspective why it happened I still think Maria kind of called cam out this week though because she said you're using that as an excuse to make a game move which I think is true because her not voting you know with Cam on that vote when she

6:40 Said she was not going to vote she was upfront about the fact that she wasn't going to vote for Rachel from the start that has being used for cam to have an excuse to make a game move against karia which is okay just own it yes karia you're a physical presence in this game I want to take you out just own it and that's what K Maria said I thought that was a pretty good point and this is no hate to cam like cuz I applaud cam for making a move this is one of the things I don't understand from fans CU I heard some fans were going after cam afterwards and for me personally like you can't blame someone for coming into the game making a game move we've been complaining for such a long time everybody played the friend game finally we get someone coming in here like a cam who is a very strong player of this game and she makes a game move and fans aren't happy about that as well so I don't get it I feel like there's a lot of good that sort of came in the conversation from all angles but karia calling her out saying hey just own it's game move and that is what it is I thought that was a w maybe more for karia nothing bad to cam but she didn't want to say or admit that to karia that's addressing the cam situation and then obviously re Leroy he tried to get out of that as best as he can which I don't blame him right he's like I'm just sitting on the side I want to get in the crossfire he ended up he ended up getting that Crossfire in any case because he's associated with Cam in the game and just wanted to also address

8:00 The whole Brandon thing because you bring up a Val Point Brandon you know said hey I've had all this stuff happen in my life I've been out of the game I actually watched the Instagram live between him and Jimmy La Jimmy last week which reality realness posted it on her YouTube page so I went to go watch it on there and he spoke about a lot of that stuff in there as well I couldn't go into too much detail he didn't have that high of a view of a lot of people who are playing this season because he's been out of the challenge Realm for so long and I get it like those are real feelings and emotions maybe he felt a certain type of way and he doesn't owe her anything I think that's 100% Fair but I also know that in real life in grown up life people have things going on I don't think K Maria had any bad blood towards him or anything like that she just had her own life happening at the same time look I put it down to colleagues right like I there are people that I worked with a decade ago that I haven't seen or talked to or heard but if I saw them in person i' be like oh like I'm friends with them but we're not friends in real life but I'd be stoked to see them I'd love to see them I'd be friendly when I'm when I'm saying that and if I saw them in a challenge house yeah I'd be like hey like you know we haven't seen each other in ages and I'd be but we're not friends every day like I get that relationship so and I understand where Brandon's coming from like to be able to say like you're

9:21 Putting that above everything else especially when he's got $250,000 on the line and you know he's going to wakanda to do work for his baby like I get that you know what I mean like I really do love as well that the all stars really leans into that these are adults with real lives and they like you wouldn't get that conversation in the main in the flagship show you know like we even Leroy was talking about postpartum depression and these are like very real people having a real life experience in this very unworldly unreal sort of environment and it's fascinating to see and how those relationships play out how much history there is versus was it just a work thing was it are we really friends there's so much complication and things that go into every single storyline or not every single some people have been really gone but there's some stuff that goes deep and it's seeing it's interesting seeing it all come to play you know yeah 100% I think it's a complex game with you put grown-ups in there like you said that conversation with Leroy I definitely want to dive into that a little bit as well I just wanted to while we're talking about brand and some of the things that have been going on apparently you know Brandon said that they don't talk outside of the game but they always have each other's backs prior to the season starting so maybe K Maria felt a certain type of loyalty due to that Lena

10:41 Saying but if past co-workers reached out to say hello via text I would at least acknowledge the text Cara never responded I don't like I don't know the story behind that I and Elina you'll have to enlighten me where that sort of came out was that Brandon that said that like it's very hard to know if that is a true thing that happened I don't know and did she have the same phone number did she change her phone number I mean I just don't know it's a lot he said she said overall I get it from both sides people move on everybody's grown-ups you've got your life like you said with co-workers some co-workers you talk to all the time and then suddenly you don't work together and slowly but surely you kind of drift apart a little bit but regardless let's talk about the game move was that a good game move for Brandon because he's gone the very next episode the one person who wasn't going to go for him he ended up alienating and did he have enough allies in the game to be able to piss someone like karia off so early in on in the game and you know how does this sit with his legacy has he now improved his legacy in the game with this one move against K Maria was it big enough for him to come back like let's analyze it now in hindsight I guess we've got you know 2020 Vision here which helps but were you high on the move as a game move last episode and now that you've seen how it's played out how do you feel about it look I've said it multiple seasons in a row even for

12:01 The flagship and all that sort of thing I get the big move wanting to throw the big per the big player in but this is the format of the challenge where the consequences can come back to you and I've always said if you throw a bananas in early if you throw a Jordan in early then you risk that chance of him coming back and being angry right you risk Cara coming back because even though it was Rachel Cara is a beast like for me she's the female goat so she's you know she's likely to come back even against Rachel especially because Rachel hasn't been there for so long I guess Cara hadn't either at this point but you know we're talking like 20 years versus four yes and as yeah so you know like game experience C counts and Cara's up there with the best so it's always a risk but I think maybe in this regard like if there was ever going to be a chance Rachel being the one to throw in against her was probably a good option but yeah you're right like we saw the out and he was saying it like he knew like if I throw her in and she come back like it's bad for me and stuff and that's what happens like does he regret taking the shot I don't I don't know because he's not there anymore but I do think him doing that put Brandon in storylines and at least he got way more

13:22 Personality out by having that conversation about his life about having the phone call home and all that sort of thing Brandon for me was always like he's really nice but he's a nothing player he never got far at all I never respected him as a as a challenger but more as a person and I feel like he's grown in that regard in this in this season he's he took a big shot he had a lot of great moments on confessionals he got a lot of Personality out there and we really got to know and like him a lot more people didn't even know he had kids and to have that little moment was like a like you know that was really great and I think he went up in my as my regard overall with the for the sacrifice of his game like he looked better for me I like him more he made a big play I respect him more but he's gone you know what I mean like it's kind of a I don't know which one's more important but I do think he looked good in this season it's going to sound brutal I don't feel like I've always been I've always enjoyed Brandon's heart like whenever he came back to play the game and you know he went into these eliminations he played hard he was never known to be a strategic Mastermind and that hasn't really changed for me either with this season I think he showed some shortcomings in the way that he

14:42 Maneuvered within the game he probably could have gone a lot deeper would have which would have meant he could have had more air time maybe take a star a little bit later on in the season so I don't know if he's gone up but you know I'm okay with Brandon like I think Brandon belongs on Allstars like I'll see him in another Allstar season I'd be happy with that if he comes back for another Allstar season at least do I want to see him on the main back that's for sure yeah but that's the other thing TJ and him so when the Jim Instagram live was going on and I was watching it which is so weird that I never watch a lot of online content but I just so happened to have time he spoke about his friendship with TJ and they've been friends for years so they actually communicate or have communicated a lot outside of the game so you know for instance when Brandon never went back TJ's helped them out in real life it's has gone and had like you know breakfast with him at you know multiple times and stuff like that so they've actually got like a real life friendship outside of the game so when he said you're my guy or something at the end that was like heartfelt and I understood the meaning behind it because they're actually real friends and that's why you know he said I'd love to have you back so it's interesting to know that Brandon has been so close to TJ for all these years but has never had the call back to come back and play I think it also shows how little influence TJ really has around casting or you know because he's a big fan K Maria as well K Maria has been out on the cold for quite a long time

16:02 And it's maybe because he doesn't insert himself like you know what I mean like he's maybe one of those people that feels like I'm the host I don't really want to get involved in casting or production but you know it's interesting that he's been close with some of these people that haven't necessarily come back and played the game more consistently I do want to go back and read a couple more of the comments that have come in Lena says that she heard that on the official podcast Lena thank you so much for clarifying Danica say sound like he could have he could be set up for rival with car which is # solid how would they do together like I don't know if they're a balanced team like is Brandon a puzzles like I don't think there would be a balance team that would be good for Brandon it wouldn't be good for Cara needs someone that would be good at the puzzles like if she was with like a CT or someone like a Johnny bananos or something like that which she's also had a rivalry with over the years like i' I'd feel better for her and that kind of rivalry but I'm not overly high on it Chris here says o Sakara is the female goat now it's funny because weren't you just months ago saying that tour never mind listen you know people can grow can grow on this podcast Chris allow I've always said Cara is the current I do think that Tori has a long Runway and I think she can surpass she has all the tools I think she's like

17:23 You made the case I think you made the case for being a legend basically when she's not there yet she hasn't put the runs on the board that's a cricket that's a cricket reference for you Americans yeah she's not there yet but I do think she's got all the tools that she'll probably surpass because she's just gets the call back every single Possible season there is yeah interesting Lena says yeah the vacation Alliance has more influence than TJ that's why they are supposed to be cast for All Star five what is it with this vacation lines like are they just like hanging out with the cast outside of you know the producers the casting producers outside of the game are they giving them money on the download like I just don't get how they always front of mind for these people but let's talk about this season we don't want to go into the negative stuff too much here in the podcast you know obviously you brought up the whole conversation here for Leroy which for me similar to Chris I learned something new I had no clue that men could get postpartum depression were you as someone who's a dad were you aware of this did this hit home with you because obviously you look at this completely different to me being a single guy no kids anything like that obviously it was a it was a heartwarming moment to he about his struggles and the fact that he's working with Cam through that and you know he's really taking ownership of

18:43 What he's going through which is great to see but how did this hit for you were you aware of this yeah like obviously I know when having kids and there's so many individual circumstances that make up how people in the in the moment right it's obviously a lot more prevalent with women and even then it's not talked about enough like anywhere nearly enough my wife went through some pretty bad postpartum with our first with our second child sorry but I never did I didn't but I understand where it was coming from I could see all the emotions turned up to 11 in every regard like all the happiness is Amplified all the sadness is Amplified and all the I guess it's like so much of the pregnancy it's nine months it's a big chunk and it's changing your life like there's so much things that you have to prepare for and you're mentally getting ready for it you're physically getting ready for it by changing a house around by going to doctor's appointments by doing all this stuff and when that stops it's like a big change anything like that you're ramping yourself up for this big thing and then when that go like changes and it's now a physical baby in

20:03 Your life that's something else to get to get used to get to get your head around which sounds a really clinical way to not even clinical but it sounds like a very detach way to look at your child but I'm just saying like it's a change to everything that you've been doing that you've been ramping up for so long that yeah it can absolutely come I didn't I didn't necessarily have it but like I said I know how one of the circumstance if I can get a little bit real our third baby Phoenix he's two just over two now he was born like at the tail end of Co so like that he's a he was a straight up Co baby like all the appointments everything was way harder because you know we had first of all we had two Elder kids but also Co made things difficult to getting to appointments bringing people with her so she had my wife had to do a lot of stuff alone because I was looking after of the kids while she went and did you know pregnancy stuff and the big thing for me that really killed me was delivery I was unfortunately for our third one and our final baby our youngest my little man I wasn't even there for the delivery because we had the other two kids we had Co so you can only bring one person and we sort of thought practicality wise

21:23 What would be the best assist for my wife in that moment was to have her mom there instead of me so like I didn't even get to be there and they were in hospital for 2 days where we couldn't go visit or anything so I was sitting at home with my two eldest which I love but I'm just like my baby's been born and I can't even touch him I can't hold him I can't do anything so when he finally came home I like broke down in tears and just held him like for ages like oh my God you're finally here after 3 days of knowing that you're in the world and can't see you that was huge for me like I was I was broken not being able to hold him but I mean now I gladly throw him at whoever wants to but at the time that was tough so like all the emotions are just so elevated in every sense even if the male doesn't have all the hormones raging all that sort of thing it's just everything is so huge and impactful and lifechanging that I understand the implication like some people would it would hit people very differently you know yeah very complex stuff obviously Dana here says I can imagine for men it's less about the physical but emotional and the anxiety of the future moms have both physical and emotional

22:44 But men have been overlooked in this department and then Dolores says here you could see in Leroy's face the emotion it was like coming back to him when he was talking about it and I think there's an additional layer of complexity that you learn about I wasn't where but towards the end when Larry Roy said he didn't have his dad as a part of his life which I think adds that other layer to it as well probably with the emotions and the feelings and things like that and he wants to do better by Cam and his son absolutely yeah Charlotte says here huge props fly Roan cam for speaking up about PPD shows pure strength and wanting to be the best parents possible Darren assists saying especially with him he always said he never thought he would have kids and then doares also say I can I just say C Leroy relationship is beautiful to see and totally agree with that there was one more thing I wanted to touch on as well Lena asked if it was spoilers talking about casting rumors for All Star 5 in my mind it's not like I don't mind like I haven't actually read into who's going to be on the cast but to know who's going to be playing the season I don't mind that as much and I would normally spoil myself prior to the season on who's going to play I just don't want to know placement or anything that happened in the season because that kind of ruins the fun for me and experiencing it and potentially also the fun for people who do watch spoilers

24:04 Then see me talk and be completely off of my reads you know because half of the fun is being off on the read sometimes in a season and you know I may be think yeah it happens all the time I might be thinking karia ising pretty and then next thing we know Cam's gonna beat her this season who knows but that's half of the beauty I think of not knowing the placement at least Danica says wer I bet it made another layer of a special bond for you and your baby boy well he's passed that now he told me last week sometimes you know he's between that what did you say the emotion of wanting to hug them or kick them basically at times I said this like I do think one of the biggest things about being a parent is that you constantly have these very Waring feelings and emotions and they're both always valid and 100% feeling that seem to go against each other like it's the person that you love most in the world but the person you want to hit most of the world and like I want them to stay little tiny babies forever and ever and ever but I also want to see what they're like as adults like now I want to see everything that they're going to become and it's this constant like yeah Waring emotions that yeah so it's very much like that like you want all right all the things at the same time you know what talking about Waring emotions I guess we have to talk about Waring emotions

25:24 On you know this episode that's been happening for a couple episodes it's very uncomfortable to watch but it is a big part of the season it's going to continue to play a big part of the season and we're going for something so wholesome like talking about kids and being parent talking about the relationship of Nicole and Laurel but that continued to happen here and evolve within this episode so much to dive into like Laurel said they're attracted to each other they've got this playful nature you know this great conversation that happened between flora and to Nico finally talking to Laurel as well and saying hey we kind of can't be in each other's bed like you need to be which I kind of respected she's trying to push Laurel away but Laurel's like I want more of you I want to be you know like I feel like Laurel is so much more invested in getting this relationship back up what's your thoughts on this roller coaster of things that happened you know within this episode because it was complex as well but for different reasons I mean I just want to say first of all roller coaster although appropriate and Nicole said as well but she actually said in a confessional which really s funny to me and is kind of a small thing that I think is indicative of bigger picture right it's one of those red flags and even though it's not a big thing when she goes

26:44 Laurel really hates when I say it's a roller coaster relationship it's a roller coaster relationship like she goes Laurel hates it when I say that she's uncomfortable with it and then she just says it to like the camera to confessional and that shows what Nicole is like there's a little bit of a little bit of a dig there if Laurel doesn't like it I'm saying it and even if she's not intentional that's the kind of thing that shows that it's a very toxic relationship she doesn't care what Laurel wants she's not interested in the benefit or the well-being of Laurel there even though it's something that hurts her she's going to say it anyway and that I think that is a bigger picture of what they're like as soon as like it on reality TV shows and it's weird because you know as I said in previous episodes Laurel is such a strong powerful woman in her career physically on the challenge all that sort of thing she's very proud and to see like chasing around the house to wrestle and stuff is such a like yeah like you see that on so many reality TV shows as soon as they're running around wrestling I'm like some like what is this is yuck like something's going on here as far as Nicole looked she did I guess try but look if Laurel was throwing himself at me and trying to wrestle me around the house

28:04 It would be hard to hard to resist that as well I guess like Laurel's a beautiful woman so like I get it but it is kind of it's a they say it's extra complext comp it is there's so much there well it's extra it's extra complex in the sense also that Laurel very easily could be the downfall of Nicole in a game where she's playing for $250,000 right so it's like even if she's not that into Laurel she knows it's toxic it's dangerous she kind of likes the attention like Flora said you know you're like a kid you like the attention kind of thing but then there's the added bonus of $250,000 on the line and she's like I want to get to the end as far as I can and having Laurel upset at me maybe is not going to help that you know so I feel like there's so many again layers to this thing that doesn't make it a very easy conversation read some of the comments here that has come in J saying Flora calling out Nicole was the best Flora clock Nicole after knowing her for a couple of weeks queen of good reads according to Chris also here Lena says when flock when Flora I almost said Flocka when Flora walked away H she said you like it you're like a f a child which is basically what I said Nicole's horrible playing D when for was talking to her

29:25 Yeah definitely Nicole loves the attention I think and that's what it comes down to but she did ultimately tell Laurel maybe we should call it on this stuff it's not good at least she's done that like you know if she loves the attention that's not an easy thing to do but now we're seeing next on it's going to continue on I don't know if it's because Laurel keeps coming to her it's just very weird I don't know who's in the right I don't know who's in the wrong here it just feels like they're both like I get that like she did do the right but it's makes it worse to do it the morning after sleeping with her like that's the worst possible time to do it you know what I mean like she's going to feel way worse she's going to like react way worse like yeah like either do it before or like yeah she would have been like oh well I guess I'm in this now I'm not going to upset lurel like the very next morning maybe after the season will break up but I you made your bed now lying it at least if you're talking about it is the right thing to be honest maybe it 12 hours too late it is the right thing to be honest but when you're talking about game like will it risk her $250,000 this is the worst way to do it 100% yeah

30:45 And den says not Chris Nicole was just getting a L's head with that comment Darren also calls beer saying Nicole is saying take your pants offe so yeah it's listen I don't know how much time we want to spend on this probably yeah it's my least favorite part of the season is seeing these two like it actually drains me emotionally just to watch this play out in front of me especially since we know the outcome of this whole season and not the season itself but the relationship between these two we kind of know where that's going to end which is not great so not easy to watch probably need to move on from it let's talk about the daily what did you think of the daily you know a blast from the past from deal 2 Brad was extremely excited exed this felt very confident I need to know from either yourselfa or people the live if I'm sure someone in the live will know because I don't have that memory I didn't like I watched de to I feel like but I can't remember a lot of these Seasons I watched them in such quick succession they kind of blended into one for me was Brad on the winning team when they did when they did this was there a reason that he was so confident was he previously in the winning team because it did not look good for our boy Brad out there Kuna some of the things these people are going hey I did this on X season 20

32:06 Years ago it doesn't mean as far as like I don't know he's going well and it was different first of was I think it was like go-karts or like it looked different in the little preview I don't remember the original season at all but to go yeah like I'm confident let's go like run at it is such a weirdly confident thing and I guess like it's good to see Brad excited at least and you know difference with the excited that we talked about on last week's episode which we won't go into but yeah he was he was keen and like a lot of guys that get super excited maybe too fast and messed it all up you know like he was very like just grabbing it everything to the point where lero was screaming at him man like they were angry and with good reason I guess yeah he was pissed lero but I think Leroy was I think Leroy had a mixture of emotions happening at that point he realized I'm in trouble because I just pissed off car Maria she's one g to have she's going to come back and want some Revenge here which was said from the start Brad messed it up he was so confident that he was going to do extremely well here so I feel like it was the mixture of him being upset at Brad versus upset at himself the game move that was made previously the position that he was in knowing he's playing for his family who took time off

33:26 To come and play this game went away from his business like I just feel like all of it came together for Leroy and like you said he doesn't normally get flustered like that or angry like that but like you said these are grown ass people these are people with real responsibilities real there's some big Stakes this is not Leroy with very little to lose if he goes home this season you know what I mean so that's coming out a little bit more in this but like a lot of people said such a such a great daily it looked like so much fun TJ getting into the loue you know going down it that was great whenever he can take part in the daily and like opening up the little the you know the what would it be like a cylinder that he opened up with the water in it and basically you know them having to race down to go and basically fill it back up and then clock it one of the things I was thinking when it first started Kun is why didn't they get the first person just to not ignore every single thing race down immediately get the bucket below it start filling into the bucket and then the next couple of people would immediately go and get all of the different water because you would collect most of it nobody used that strategy no one had one person just like car Maria's team seem to have a pretty good strategy of every you know the person who went first went to the last one and grabbed as many as they could from the last one but no one just tried to get there and Salvage as much of the water

34:46 As they could because I noticed that they could use the bucket at the end to throw it back in at the top so no one used that strategy were you thinking of that at all when you were watching this play out because a lot of people sort of that there seemed to be this congestion you know in the middle of the loop would get together yeah I don't know what the meta or the optimal strategy is there you definitely want to get something under that flowing tap as soon as you can absolutely I just think it's funny that like of all the hosts that they could have got like the fact that TJ is a former X Games champion and like he wasn't slowing down at all like you know he probably wasn't even involved and then he got up there and he's like hey can I be in this like you know you know who I am right I want to be I want to do this so the fact that TJ was flying he's not pulling back on the brakes at all I guess that's why they had to try to get there as quickly as possible but you're right like that bucket thing I didn't even think of that's a really interesting Insight because I was like yeah like they I don't know what you would do but those bags didn't look that big the where the flow was just going all the way I thought someone was going to lose the entire tube to be honest with you the way it was kind of flowing out of it I felt bad for Brad as well I felt bad for Brad as well like when everybody was like having a go him and like Nicole's going hard on him as well and he's like

36:06 What can I do we failed I messed up okay like just let me let me be I messed up and they just kept going in on him Ryan said that Landon won that challenge with Britany originally so obviously blast from the past there but Brad obviously having done it before felt he could do well dur says easy canol and Brad being too fast coming they're also saying Daren got me Daren says I think the bucket could only be used for the bags at okay I thought I thought they did use some of it because I saw them like tip some of it in one of the shots but maybe you're right Darren and that's probably why I'm sure if they could have used it to capture as much of the water and then put it back in someone would have figured it out and King Landon yes ther King Landon won that one in the original one but so much fun again we didn't really talk a lot about Adam getting his haircut in the beginning and that moment between Leroy and Adam as well which was a fun little moment you know as well and then again Adam seems like such a supportive person in general like seeing him and Veronica run up when we know Veronica was struggling and pushing her from behind on back yeah such he seems like such a great team player like I don't have much history

37:27 With him and know much about him I don't know if he's always been this kind of person but he seems like a really likable dude from what I'm seeing so far this season I'm really liking the Adam content even though it's minimal there's just enough there which makes me wonder like we're seeing we and Chris is GNA hate me for saying this we're not seeing a lot of Jay you know Jay's only just come in you know and when he's in it's because of the comment or the the bed situation next to him and him not being able to sleep but Adam I feel like is getting a lot more content compared to someone a this a same time yeah I would and but he's playing it in a really like if we were to say it was like a game and analyze it from game moves rather than just people interacting right it seems like he's playing an awesome under the radar social game like that haircut scene with Leroy and it again it shows Leroy showcasing his skill his craft his profession of just chatting and being you know a barber while he cuts his hair and entertaining everyone just talking away I love that for lero and Adam was yeah you're right he's so nice and so supportive and it seems like he's playing a very under the radar social game I

38:47 I mentioned last week and it keeps sticking in my head I can't let it go Ace is playing the same under the radar game but like way under the radar he's like I'm avoiding the cameraman I don't want any conventionals and I'm so traumatized by our draft I'm always like where's Ace I want more Ace I'm getting Adam he looks great but where's Ace as far as flying under the radar goes and disappearing Ace has got that down is playing allar I like him a lot Ace is playing Allstar 6 he's not playing this Allstar season like I haven't seen him at all he's prepping all star six he's so irrelevant at this stage in the game like I just don't see it every week we'll have Ace watch see did he do anything nope yeah Chris will be Chris will be on the jat and you'll be on the ace watch every week for the podcast Darren says Adam was always great Julia believes Adam is fake to her so again different people different takes I just think sometimes when someone comes across as very nice you're like what's wrong with this person why are they so nice all the time clearly there must be something here that they're hiding and that's why they're coming across as being so nice so that's probably the vibe you're getting Victoria loved the barber shop moment

40:07 Obviously you know Leroy in his element doing that barber shop you know cutting hair and things like that it was good to see him in this element as well Chris say we are seeing a lot of Jay WTF y all just don't highlight what he does every week what is he doing like he's oh really what did he do I forgot no just for backing up Cara and see and playing it and saying that Cara might be more of a viable working option going forward and he saw it as a strategy move to be associated with Cara and be on her team because she's probably going to go far and I thought that's pretty clever strategy from Jay yeah so I feel like that's at least three mentions now maybe four even Dolores even though just doesn't want to give us the points for this says Adam was not always great okay that's good to know it's good to know because listen you know people can evolve for sure not H yeah I to be honest I completely forgot I actually until and I'm not even I'm not even playing it up for the camera here until he brought up Ace I forgot he was on the season I actually didn't remember that he was on the season we've not seen I will never forget I will never forget being tricked into a

41:27 I need to know what Chris is sure for I need to use the government name here Christopher or Christian like it's just chis Chris full name but I will say this my English teacher at school used to call me Christopher whenever she got angry and I'm like that's not that's not my name it means nothing to me so I get where you're going it's Chris doing the teacher thing here basically wanting to call me out but yeah what a what a fun what a fun daily obviously the losing group here ends up being Brad Leroy Ryan who kind of you know sh the bed here for lack of a better term because he had the bag of water yeah that he just forgot I don't know how he did that and Brandon so the guys all in danger here and as soon as I knew that those were the four guys in the bottom I knew the brand and Leroy thing was up for discussion especially since Cara Maria was in the middle group you kind of knew she was going to get her revenge at that point right gona it was like seeing the Titanic go to towards the ice Iceberg you know it's happening yeah perfect like just s a silver platter for her as well she was like even though Brad really like he was he the bed the most like he really should have been as far as if they take that well they were the worst performer kind of approach but that's not strategy obviously like strategy in this regard was or at least Revenge was

42:47 Brandon and Leroy and to have them in the same team with claraa in the middle not even winning so she gets to vote awesome like for her anyway like really bad for br Leroy but great for Cara I don't know what's happening here with lovable Nikki and Chris they're starting to team up on me here saying it's even better that it's just Chris just randomly extended and change it each time don't be giving her like ideas here what's going on youat saying Leroy is doing outstanding this season being in the bottom four out of five challenges yeah it's not Leroy is not having a good time at the moment with his placs this season like he like there's no one more nervous about thatuna than myself having him as my number one guy pick you know like he was the person I've banked on to do well the season and then also in the arena when they had the arena taking place I think it was Adam who said like I want Leroy to win because Leroy would be easier to beat in the final because he's bad at puzzles why did they show us that why did they show us that kuna if it's not going to come back you know the editors put these things in there for a reason if it's not going to come back to bite Leroy and the butt later on he's either going to overcome his difficulties with puzzles because he said he's been practicing them a lot in the beginning of the season that's one

44:07 Narrative that they've set up you know while he's been away and then the other one is Adam noticing that he's not good at puzzles and maybe that's something where he can take advantage of in a final so very interested to see which one's going to play out for the season but nervous very nervous when it comes to ly's chances at the stage one good for you Leroy yeah is that he's he like we've seen multiple times now cam in the winning team even said like beforehand she's got two people in her team with stars and she's saying I want to win so I can protect Leroy and they're like well what about what about us like we want to win too but Leroy has his powerful black queen in his corner and I think that's going to protect him like even though he's sucking right now four out of five challenges he's got cam working over time putting her game at Jeopardy upsetting people just to protect him all the time so he's got back up there he'll go f I think you'll be all right hopefully it's so funny you men cam being this queen in the game I've just gotten suck back in I used to play a lot of Chess as a kid and this last week I've been I don't know why it's been like so good I've just been getting back onto chess.com if playing a lot of Chess you know the Queen's the is the definitely by far the strongest piece

45:28 From that perspec no I just literally just got back into it so I used to be way back when I played when I was a kid I used to be about 1,600 but I'm just getting back that would put you like in the top like 1% of the world or something yeah well I actually played I played against this guy called beond pick like he was like world like he was a world champion like and he was he was in South Africa I played with him at school level and stuff like that so I used to be really into chess but now I'm horrible like I'm only like rated like 600 or something I'm working my way back up you know so I'm playing against people it's I'm finding I'm finding it actually kind of interesting playing against that rated because people don't do the moves that you expect them to do which is kind of interesting at times but yeah I'm trying to get back into it basically but yeah the queen is the is the is the by far the strongest piece on the board so you know they're trying to go after the king at this stage but the queen is keeping him safe like you said it's so interesting how that is playing out like almost like a chess game here on the challenge this season and you know looking at basically how it's going to play out like you said here cam winning I don't think she's keeping him safe by winning like is winning really the best move you got be move at stage yeah you want to be almost in that middle group you want to control where the votes are going to go

46:48 Right and by winning I don't think she could have lost that one with having two people with stars they were going to be hyper motivated if you're someone with a star winning makes s because you don't where the direction of the vot going you just want to keep your star if you're someone who doesn't have a star I feel like the best to be in this in the middle and how do you play for the middle that's hard to get you know if you want some power in the game if you want to be able to throw people down there it's easier to go for the win and not be last I don't know how you aim to be in the middle in some of these games I don't know if that makes any sense but I feel like this game is more complex than what we thought initially with the way that they've structured it is yeah and the I mean I'm kind of TI of the team thing because it just makes the like so little it's one team of five that makes the decision or four makes a decision for like the entire house like I'm that format is sitting funny with me that middle block has so much power especially for not winning like that's always like that's a weird thing but yeah I we don't know yet what the best position to be in it does seem like coming second is the most powerful spot which is not what we used to in the challenge like it's such a weird position to be in you know like you want to almost aim for that so you can at least influence the direction

48:08 Yeah no I totally agree and th I honestly like set me up for that asking me what my rating is but like for people who are like International Masters I think like Grand Masters and things like that they're all above 2,000 2,100 I think you have to be 2,100 just to be like an international Master before you go for Grand Master so like it's decent but it's not like that level like people who are really good like I think Magnus chess player in the world yeah and he's like 2383 or something like that is his is his rating or something like that and then yeah it's just interesting so chess.com has been blocked from school people playing it that I feel like I get it yeah but CH is such a good yeah I look you know what I'm not good at chess I didn't grow out playing chess I really wish I could be and I feel like I'm way too old and pass it now and I bought my daughter like a chess set like the proper tournament style ones with the night like big pieces that's easy to use and I'm like because she said I want to play chess I was like cool I want you to play chess I don't know how to teach you but I would love for you to start playing chess at an early age so that you're really good later and she then she discovered video games and chess is gone

49:28 Now I've got some games set up with my nephew my nephew this weekend we're jamming some chess this weekend because we've played some chess when I went to South Africa to visit I actually got him introduced into it and now he's like absolutely hooked on it I'm just nervous for the time where he's going to start consistent to kicking my ass because he's got like age on his side like the younger you are get into it at some point he's gonna probably surpass me Dana says my Scouts always sign up for chess during summer camp since it's an inside building and they have AC smart Scouts alinaa also says watch queen of kadwa it's a true story about a young chess player I well I've watched the Queen's gamb good movie young African girl really yeah it's really good okay I'll definitely watch it thanks for the recommendation yeah I'm finally learning go and yeah Dolores I've watched Queen Gambit as well so yeah basically obviously the way that it plays out here they get Leroy and obviously Brandon to go in karia puts a foot down in this one and the there wasn't really much Fallout afterwards no club scene this time did you did you miss the club scene everybody seemed to just accept hey you got to you got to take it if you give it like every action has a reaction in this game you know and this is the reaction from going after Cara I do like I know it was kind of like I get it was Revenge

50:49 But I do like the way they accept like yep okay I get it whereas Cara's freak out last week was incredibly emotional and I guess cuz it was the first shot she didn't expect it and they did expect it to come back to him so it's different but I like this like when you know it's a game someone takes a shot at you cop it on the chin and go okay like I get it's game play I'm going to get you back now when I get a chance and you don't have to like have the freak out all the time you know now do you think that you know camon Leroy has taking a shot at car's now gone back and taken a shot of them do you think there is a Runway or space there for them to some common ground again and say hey we actually do care for each other we are friends at side of this game we've both had a shot we've both failed at it let's just work together now because this is not how I saw this game playing out at all and all of the drafts that I did I actually said this is going to be a very solid Tri there's going to be a strong Alliance coming into the game it's not played out that way is there still room here for them to say let bygones be bygones we've both taken a shot we've both missed I don't know like if you if because there's arguments on both sides right like if you're if I'm taking it from cam side if you like I said Cara has the chance

52:09 To come back anytime she goes in the sand she's always probably the odds on favorite especially now against anyone in the house Laura will be the closest unless there's some sort of math problem I guess she'd be she might be in trouble but car is always a chance to come back so if you keep aiming at her she's more than likely going to come back a lot already but at the same time you don't want to run against her in the final like you want her out you can't have her there at the end so there's that conflicting thing that and probably the same goes for Cara as well like not maybe not from the same like if you throw them down they're coming back but the fact that Cam and Leroy are so socially influential in that house and are wielding that power at the same time you want them on your side but also don't want that in the house like you kind of want that you know to be taken out as well so that you have the power so there's both sides of that argument I don't know which one's stronger but I feel like once the strike has already been done that paranoia even if they do say look let's work together you have to know at the back of your head they're willing to take a shot at me because they've literally done it already is that always going to be there and will I give them a chance to take that shot again or do I take my shot first and that is I mean that's always a challenge Survivor that's any show like that but yeah the

53:29 Thing with the challenge the great thing of that challenge is that a person can always come back and get their event so whether it's immediately from the sand or in the fact that they bring people back for multiple Seasons That's why we get these story lines over years over decades and that makes it so much more interesting and fun I don't know what the answer is here my logic says get Cara Maria out as soon as you possibly can if you want a chance to win that's the Bare Bones of it you know like every shot you can get take it but just know that it's going to come back in some way and can I just say I love like I mean it sucks for karia on an emotional point of view and it hurts me that emotionally she had to go through what she went through last week but there was something weirdly nostalgic about seeing karia being the number one threat in the house people going after her like I feel like that's just the karma we all knew for so many years she was constantly being targeted by the house she was constantly being thrown into like eliminations it you know what I mean like it was this nostalgic feeling of okay all is right in the world karia again she's not at the top power here she's not running the karia cult she's playing on the back foot a place she's very familiar with a place she's very comfortable with not that she can't play in the front foot but I know a lot of fans love seeing the fighter

54:50 Karia when she's fighting to get to the end so people gunning for her this whole season probably if that is going to be the case and if doesn't have that allies and you know you've got a very strong force like Leroy and cam coming after her that's not necessarily a bad thing and then but she's so good socially as well like I feel like she has improved she's got other connections we saw her talk to obviously her and Laurel are starting to men fenes and she's saying to Laurel I'll be there for you no matter what type of thing and that conversation happening so she's working her magic there's other connections she can work on this season I think there's a lot of Runway still for car Maria and I'm excited to see where the season's going to go out I think as fans it's hard when you've got two very strong Queens like car Maria and cam going after each other you know and because you have to choose almost a side but I feel like regardless of where it's going to end like obviously I'm always going to lean slightly towards K Maria because I'm just a big fan and I appreciate her but if Cam did outsmart did end up getting her out of this game as well you would have nothing but respect for the game move and say the season is better for the fact that we've got two heavy weights going after each other rather than working together which is something that I feel like has been lacking in a lot of the normal Seasons you don't see the heavy weights coming after each other as often as we've seen here this season ker basically because it often has consequences

56:10 That like I said they come back I didn't you're right I never really noticed or I guess I didn't acknowledge in my own head this season Cara is playing a much better social game and that's not normally her bag like I think when I said especially for Chris in the chat when I say car's the goat and I think it's because of this sort of thing where I don't think Cara is a good a perfect player she has a lot of flaws in her game mentally emotionally socially she's always sort of been let down a little bit in that regard like far maths and puzzles are a weakness of hers and she doesn't have this complete all around game so for her to be able to accomplish what she has one as much as she has despite these fls not because of it makes her the goat for me that's why she's actually better than what her package of tools necessarily is but the fact that she's improving as well because socially this season she is much better than she's been I don't know if it's because like she doesn't have poly there but I think car's thing to get her like really solidifi that is she has to get used to the fact that she is the threat and

57:31 And not have it as an emotional betrayal and know that she's playing from a position of power and you and I think she's using that influence that intimidation Factor the C can I just say I can I just say I disagree wholeheartedly on the emotional side of things like I Reon yeah I think I think the thing that makes K Maria very strong is the fact that she plays with her emotions I think it's the fact that when someone betrays her she takes it very personal to the point where she wants to get that Revenge it gives her the she needs to go and eliminate people in the arena basically and why she's been so successful in the arena I look at it and this is going to go over the head for a lot of people from the US and I apologize about that but I have to sort of look at South Africa as a rugby team right so Ruby is very similar to American football but we don't play with pads and things like that the rules are slightly different but you have to go score touchdowns tries on the other side and South Africa has got this thing I just watched the documentary we've just won this is a humble Break by the way back toback World Cups we're now by far the most successful team in Rugby World Cup history which is amazing for me being South African you know that we've been able to do that but the way that they do it is the psychology behind South Africa is that the whole world's against us the world does not want us to succeed and they take that emotion and Harnish that and put it into performances against

58:51 Teams that sometimes people think will be better than them so I feel like karia having that into emia you're a the fire that they need to go and perform so I think from that aspect I don't mind the fact that she takes things very personal I don't like as long as she can go away from the game and not let it affect her personal life which I think she's gotten a lot better she's had a break from the game and all that kind of thing I think she's okay another thing for me is having to defend her on her social strategic game here is that if you look at the fact that she has not been in a final for many years now like clearly she's doing some things right strategically with her connections like you know socially and things like that to the point where she at one point had so many people wanting to defend her and it's what go fans really annoyed at her so I think her social game has improved long time ago not yeah I don't think it just improved this season I think if you had to call out a weakness if we spoke if we talked about the goat thing and that the one thing we all know is that if it comes down to like math puzzles she's okay sometimes but math is probably the thing that catches her out the most so maybe there's still some things she can work on there but she's pretty well-rounded and I think what I like about K Maria's game is that she can adapt to the situation each season like she's now gotten used to being in

1:00:11 Power after the last couple of Seasons that she's played and this season it looks like she's in a almost middle to Underdog position at times and she's now having to play a different game which she's also used to a lot of people can't adapt to the different levels of the game that is required to be able to get to the end and I think if you're looking at a goat you have to look at someone that you can say well they've got multiple ways to the end they can play the middle game they can play the underdog game they can play it as a top dog but they can adapt to their situation and I think she's got a lot of those tools you have to hope you get her on the right elimination on the day to be able to take her out sorry I know I had to go into and swimming yes Darren good point swimming is another thing she's not great at I had to I had to defend I had to defend my girl here I had to defend K Maria a little bit because I felt like you know like I know you're giving her credit but feel like we needed to give her even more credit than what you were giving her so I had to I had to step in there basically I said she us she's the goat because of it and you're like she's even better than that she's even better she's even better than that you're not giving her enough credit but no enough about the Cara Maria love everybody knows we're big fans of her here on the podcast not to the point where we wouldn't acknowledge of she got taken out by a cam this season like I would give I would give Cam of flowers if that happened so it's not a carar or nothing kind of podcast we appreciate all the different players and the fact that we've got these

1:01:31 Heavy weights going after each other but obviously what did you think of the Arena we need to talk about it you know what an interesting elimination having both Brandon and Leroy suspended in the air above a maze that they have to move around this was I mean it's interesting like it's certainly when you're hanging from midair you're l and the way you pull things would be like such a hard and if you explain that to someone and just say it outright or what it was I think it would sound incredibly boring but it the F the way that it played out the fact Brandon had 3 to one or whatever the numbers were or three to zero whatever the numbers were and Leroy looked like he was just so far gone to get that comeback and how he the two strategies was Brandon was doing one by one whereas Leroy got all of his in the middle that those two different things and then the way it kind of like right at the end like it ended up being kind of interesting I think on paper it sounded a lot more boring that actually played out and we're L lucky that sort of the two different approaches made it an interesting battle if you know what I mean

1:02:51 Yeah very interesting Charlotte coming in here hot saying the edit was as J lero movements this episode good yeah well yeah it was janky but it got a w in the end and that's what matters it's not how we got there it's the fact that we actually got the W Chris says I've never seen an elimination I would suck at more I think that it's this is one of those eliminations you know we say this often on the podcast but it's probably a hell of a lot harder to do than what you appreciate until you're out there because you pretty much doing like the Superman while being extended in the air and then you've got to like move your limbs with these heavy with the heavy weight of the whole maze below you and you got to keep it extremely still at times so it's kind of like when you go to the gym for those who do go to the gym and you're doing pump classes and they get you to like lift your arm with a weight and then you have to hold it for like five seconds you can't just drop it back down immediately but the 5 Seconds never stop you're just consistently holding up this puzzle and this maze while your shoulders are on fire you know your legs are on fire trying to do it like I think it would have been hella hard to do and respect to both of the boys for not giving up because Brandon in the actual challenge said I am struggling like it's burning I'm struggling to tired but he was tired he was getting gassed and

1:04:11 Yeah like you said it's one of those ones where I looked at it and I thought I don't know if I enjoyed it as much as some other eliminations like I feel like there's more exciting eliminations for me all stars the season if I had to be critical about something I feel like the eliminations have fallen flat for me so far outside of the one where they had the ball in the big cylinder type tube where they had to go back and forth that was kind of exciting I'd like to see more actual head-ons but probably it's because they know they've got a wide range of people here some that are in their 50s some that are in like their late 20s and early 30s someone could get hurt if you if you do a lot more head-to-head bangers but that's kind of what I've been missing a little bit I feel like this elimination would have probably been a lot more like it would have been painful but I would have loved to have given it a go and be out there and try so unlike Chris I don't know I would have been good at it but I would have liked to have had a go at it at very at the very least how do you think you'd go on this one if you were suspended up there having to do the old puzzle do you reckon you could take Corey probably not in this is not look it's not it's certainly not you know I'm being suspended by something that can actually carry my weight that's all right and puzzles and mazes I'd be like you know I'm not saying I'm good at I have no experience but at least it's not something where I'm looking at you know stairs or a ladder or something

1:05:31 Like pH running there's no running involved I like the lying down aspect of it I would be okay with that but no this one looks hard as hell like way harder than you sort of give it credit for in your head because you're just like either doing a labyrinth or a maze but it's holding a 50 to you know 60 pound maze up in the air while doing it at the same time incredibly hard I don't think I would have done well but like logically me not doing physical activities while doing a puzzle I feel like it would be better for me but I know how hard that would have been that's like incredibly difficult yeah Blood Money welcome to the live dropped in a little bit later today is asking how do you feel about lero talking about the PPD and mental health while giving Adam a haircut we actually went into it in depth earlier in the live so after the live is finished if you want to go back and watch the beginning part of it I just don't think we can do ad Justice twice like I think specifically Kahuna had some really insightful thoughts on it as someone who's app parent and have had some of his own personal stories and things like that he could share as well I think you would find it very beneficial to go back and have a listen to this at a later stage also saying Christ kuna the challenge All Star 4 will have two-part finale on June the 12th and 19th I didn't know that so that is good to know for scheduling

1:06:52 Purposes I believe around that time I may be in New Zealand as well so we're going to have to figure out some someing stuff around that but it's fine and then AR saying it's not the main stay Chris it's supposed to be old school yeah I totally get it like I said for me it's just I get why they're doing it I still like the more like out there headon Arenas like I like what I like don't hate me for liking more of the head on bangers but I get why they're doing it 100% Lena saying I think they're trying to take the older cast into consideration 100% I do agree with that a lot of lot of old knes in that cast yeah Danica says I appreciate some of these challenges because of Nelson came back with his prosthetic he could do many of them I agree like I think to be honest with you I no to be honest with you I think if Nelson comes back I wouldn't be shocked to see him in a normal season at some point like I honestly just would not be shocked to see it because he's putting in the work he's working really hard to get his Fitness where it needs to be to get used to using that leg and then people with prosthetics these days they can do amazing things like they are like obviously not fully like a full-on capable like people who've got all their limbs in that but I wouldn't be surprised to see him even come back in a normal season Den says bakuna

1:08:12 The real question is are you good with maths ah see I'm in a really fortunate position where when I do good at maths I go it's because I'm half asian and then when I really bad at math I go I'm only half asian so I get to go both ways but I'm pretty good at math the only problem I would have is that on the challenge they never actually do math correctly they never do order of operations or pem Das or whatever you want to call it's always like the wrong maths to get it right which frustrates the hell out of me because I'd be trying to do the equation properly when they just do it straight through without like working it out you know so math I'm I think I'm probably pretty good compared to the average person I would say but certainly like I'm like Chris with chess I'm better than like the average person but nowhere near the like the best yeah I wouldn't say I'm the best either I'm somewhere in between like I know how to play but it's interesting when you play against like I said people that because the ratings that I'm in now like I have to work out of it and people are playing so unpredictable so it's actually harder than playing against someone that plays the actual textbook game Mak sense because you chess is all about pattern recognition and you can recognize patterns easier when people play the right most optimal

1:09:32 Move Dolores says I feel Brandon said he wished in hind side he would have made a deal to stay to stay send me in but give me Brad he felt he could win against Brad and it's interesting because no one actually wanted to go up against them either to get their stars and this was such a I guess you know Derek kind of mentioned he may he may have to go like at some stage he'll have to go and get a star or something like that he was kind of fearful of not being able to get it in the end I still wonder if all star is actually going to follow through with that for the first time we're going to see people who don't have a star who don't have a skull actually not make a final because they didn't take the plch you know because like I said to me it's just feels like a fake threat until we see It Happened One season you know like where someone loses out because they didn't go in and the production didn't give them the opportunity to go in and get a star so I don't know if that's going to play out a appreciate you I really appreciate you bloodone how much do you hate Nicole and Laurel's storyline compared to Nanny and Casey story line way more oh way worse like Nicole and Laurel's story line is way worse than Nani and Casey like at least n case is sweet they're happy a lot of get a lot of people get annoyed by it because it sucks some of the entertainment out of the game and they control it with their Alliance I get why but Nicole and Laurel like is toxic in real life like Nani and Casey

1:10:52 Even if they sometimes can create boring story or outcomes at least you know they're happy outside of the game and they're having like a happy relationship which I'm happy for both of them they found each other you know so like yeah I don't think it's even close for me K saying I the math on the challenge isn't real math I like math too I'd be like Danny McCrae I'd be like stopping producers going this is incorrect you've got the maths wrong on this puzzle like I'd be calling out production going this is wrong how did that person get through when they clearly got the answer wrong I don't understand yeah 100% so obviously here we do end up getting Brandon take a lead early on and then Leroy comes back in the end and does take out the W but it was a definitely a close match you know five to four of the balls goes towards Leroy as he sinks them into those little slots and then o overall Brandon's going home and again like I said here it hit differently this time with TJ G up saying you're my man or you know you're my guy you know that they've got that real life friendship there and he was sincere when he said I hope I see you back do you think we get to see Brandon back we spoke about it a little bit earlier on for me personally again I don't know if he's in the cast for the next season I feel like he's he was rumed at one point to be in season 40

1:12:12 Right do you know the updated if he actually ended up being in season 40 on that cast not sure without placements if anybody's listening because we don't know placements at some point we'll we have to react to the full cast of season out and [Music] this you know for me personally Brandon really sits well within the all star theme I don't have a problem seeing him come back for another Allstar season okay well th's just she's confirmed Brandon is on 40 there you go it's a them that makes sense because different eras yeah Generations he obviously impressed this season as well like people were talking before about All Star 5 and how annoying it is that there's going to be certain people potentially casting the season I think what people really failed to take into account and this is probably shouldn't be taken into account it shouldn't play a part but I think it does is that like if you work with people that you don't like it's way better to work with people that you enjoy like you see the relationship that TJ has with someone like Brandon and we talk about the vacation Alliance all that sort of thing and we're like TV fans but I'm wondering how much it plays into casting when Productions like I just don't want to work with these people for like three months like in the house with like we're going to have to

1:13:33 Like I imagine people like the Tories and the fesses and all that they must have great relationship with the production they get along with them well they know they can get good TV out of them they're not going to like do anything wrong and that's why they get called back because they're easy to work with I think people that are get so Brandon I think he's going to be in that position where he's obviously well-liked easy to get along with if he can get into that cycle of if he does a good show on 40 not just performance-wise but again how do you get along with not just the cast but the people that are actually putting the show together how do you treat the cameraman how do you treat the producers all that sort of thing plays a part it's why Zach is not getting a call back anymore because he was a freaking of people you know what I mean like that plays A Part even though we're watching a TV show there's people that work at this TV show and they don't want to work with people that they don't want to work with it's a big part of it you know so Brandon that's why like n has come back for many seasons that's why Casey is coming back that's why Josh is coming back a lot a lot of the vacation Alliance they know how to work clearly production and get production on this side and if you can do that you've got you've got this ability to build a relationship with the decision makers that other reality TV shows don't necessarily

1:14:53 Give you similar to back in the day bananas another a great example like that's why they've had so many seasons on the so I agree with you wholeheartedly when it comes to that but that is it here for I think this week's coverage of the show if you did enjoy it please consider subscribing put a like on this video as well hit the notification Bell comment below if you're watching this after the live and let us know what you thought about our thoughts of this latest episode of All Star we'll obviously be back next week to talk about the latest episode for All Stars which would be episode six at that time if you're someone that have not heard enough of me talk here for the last hour and 13 minutes we are going to do our second live podcast tonight on the second channel that I've created the extra take it is also featured on the channel as one of my other channels if you go to YouTube we'll be talking about how travel changes you and myself and will we've been fortunate enough to do quite a bit of traveling both of us in our lives we've both worked in different locations like you can see there I've got London in the background that was the first country I moved to when I moved away from South Africa and then will has spent a lot of time in the Middle East and in Dubai so it should be a very interesting conversation for those that want to go and check it out We've now got 40 subscribers when we get to 100 subscribers Kahuna's promised he's going to come on to the channel as a guest as well he doesn't want to be seen on this channel until we at

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