The Challenge USA 2: Episode 10 Review

0:02 Foreign [Music] [Music] [Music] thank you [Music] welcome back to the nullified Tech Channel on YouTube where Kahuna and I've got the TNT takes for you on the Challenge USA episode 10 that's right I'm your host Chris and Kahuna thank you for being flexible and everybody in the live thank you for being flexible I had a bit of a busy weekend so I had to move this live out by 24 hours from when we normally do it but I am glad to be here and I'm glad to talk to you about this episode because

1:23 You know I don't think it's a hot take at this stage but I've really enjoyed the Challenge USA too and I can comfortably say for me this USA 2 season is becoming a lot better than what USA one was and that's quite surprising because it had really big star power in that first season like a Tyson Apostle as well but I'm kind of enjoying USA too a lot more I don't know why it's been fun it's a good mix we sold it out we started out saying it's really good seeing the Vets against the ropes back against the wall how can they perform when they don't have domination over numbers and things like that and we've seen it sort of flip the other way like if you are a fan of MTV Challenge veterans this is the season where you get to see them do the full gamut of going from Underdog to kind of dominating in the last couple episodes and then really putting them back on the Survivor MTV Survivor or the CBS exclusive crew which is a really good storyline to see and what I like about it as well is it hasn't just been one way like you said the vet struggled a little bit in the beginning they found their footing started getting a little bit more dominant started controlling and dictating a little bit more where the votes were going and even now they're still winning a lot of the dailies if you consider fessia vet which clearly the challenges now see him as a legitimate Challenger above anything else then they still have the

2:43 Power but they're still underneath that there is this struggle for dominance where it doesn't feel like the other part of the house is just going to go away like a normal Seasons they just get steamrolled and I think that's what I've really enjoyed about this USA season but let's say hello to a few people here in the live Daddy car once again says she may be out driving I feel like Danica's job is like an Uber driver or something because she's constantly on the on the road but saying she's not going to hold a breath that she's not going to be needed to drive around fingers crossed nobody needs me to drive anywhere tonight hopefully you're not driving and you can sit back and relax and enjoy the recap live here with us Elise hello welcome back to the live Willie welcome back to the live lovable Nikki great to have you in the live you can now tell Kahuna your opinions because we'll probably bring up Corey at some stage and I know that lovable Nikki has not been very high on your take screener when it comes to Corey this season I will say this Kahuna did back out of the whole brawl Challenge on the traitors cast live the other night when I when I brought it up yeah I mean I could do this I can talk a lot on a microphone but as soon as someone actually puts me to the challenge I was just kidding just jokes guys yeah kuna went from CT to Alyssa Snyder very quickly when she heard or when he heard Hall

4:04 Brawl I still think I would literally get stuck in a whole world they would they'd have to widen it I will say man like we're constantly getting great comments about you know obviously your even your weight loss Journey like on that Traders video I don't know if you had the time to go and look for some of the comments but some people were saying they could visibly see the changes so you should go and have a look at that you're doing well mate you're doing well it's good to hear thank you so much guys Danica saying I'm here not driving although after life I have to run to Target to pick up an order busy said see where it's gone nope just the mom yeah that Mom like I mean it's the same thing though right sometimes mommy's a bit of an Uber driver for the family yep well listen we start off this episode with Desi not happy that Chris her Survivor friend is coming back into the game it sounded like she would have preferred sea bass to be there because he's a little bit less of a gamer maybe a little bit more predictable in regards to what he would do in the game and she says that Chris's head in the game she doesn't know where it's at he was taking shots at the Survivor girls we get the flashback even Chris admitting that yes he did take shots at the Survivor girls and he's gonna have to pull his head in a little bit here in the opening stages of this episode and quite interesting again you see the Survivor girls with Michaela Desi sitting Chris down and sort of telling him what he needs to do in the game

5:24 Moving forward which is quite interesting to see Chris really at this point does have his backup against the wall early on in this episode yeah I think this was actually just kind of clever gameplay from the Survivor Queens I like to call them is that Chris came back in the house they would have been fine if he didn't they would have preferred sea bass to come back in a little bit more subdued a little bit more controllable like you said but now that Chris is in let's kind of see if we can get him on the same path of the of us without really bringing him in too much I think they'll cut him the first chance they get if they can but they want to make sure now that he's back in the house he's not going to come after them kind of thing you know what I mean it's a little bit of insurance policy is what they're doing which is smart yeah 100 Elise thank you so much the 2000 Subs was a massive Milestone here on the channel we're very happy to achieve it onwards and upwards you know now we've got to Target the 3000 in the next couple of months so let's hopefully get there as well so if you're new to the channel and just stumbled across it consider subscribing to the channel now hitting the notification Bell and putting a like on it that all does help with the algorithm but you're right I think that they're trying to get their numbers back together here they're trying to make sure that Survivor remains strong there are still six of them in the game here they still have somewhat of a numbers advantage and also Michaela is playing I think

6:44 With DC and Chanel and everybody they're trying to play all angles here because if Chris does come into power they definitely don't want Chris to be taking a shot at them in the game so they're like trying to keep them on board and I think Chris has shown that physically he's pretty capable like he could potentially pull out a daily and we're obviously going to talk a lot more about that physical capabilities as we progress through this recap and review but another part of the episode here early on is we have the scene between Josh and Wes which somewhere down the line Josh has become best mates with Wes and I missed the memo on how that happened when it happened kind of like when Wes was his main villain his rival in the game and Wes wasn't on board with it I'm not on board with this whole Josh and West relationship and the fact that they got so close in the game yeah I mean I think Josh maybe just wore him down you know those people that are just kind of constantly you know you're like lucky all right man I know yeah I think it was just so along those lines when you reckon he also seen where's like a 10 minute voice notes in the middle of the night yeah definitely it sounds like something Josh would do except there's loud pots banging in the background as well at the same time

8:05 Wes did say that they came into the season as you know friends they're Amy not necessarily best friends but he's certainly on a good level with him coming into the season and I think that's just bred out of being on the same show for so many seasons and being in close proximity together without necessarily fighting as Wes said he's not a rival he'll never be a rival he in fact wants him to get to the end because he is a layup for people like we're in the finals so it might as well Foster the Friendship so that he doesn't do what he may go on to do you know Strays here in the podcast it's just yeah Bucky's too easy of a Target he's kind of like Josh too easy of a Target you know we've got people here saying that Josh was so cringy this episode we'll talk a lot about it but you kind of mentioned that Wes sees Josh as a layup and I will give Josh credit for this at least like he's able to put his friendship aside if there are friends outside of the game and that and he sees that he knows they're going up against West strategically is not a good move for him like he needs to be good I don't think like if you look at the field right now I don't think there is almost any there was probably isn't anyone he could be in a final I feel like he's already going in with an L yeah he's at the bottom of the list and with the people left in the field like he said if he's truly able

9:25 To separate friendship did we just hear Kahuna say that Corey could possibly win a final did that just happen yeah first lovable Mickey I feel like a background to a corner what's the lowest on the totem pole where you rolling so just hang on one so you go I'll give you one in she's taking six you know what I mean like Corey can get to the finals and he'd beat Josh in the finals doesn't mean he's beating anyone else in the finals you know what I mean I think Corey I mean Corey definitely has the tools and the capabilities to Win It physically I don't know if he's got it upstairs mentally or the attitude or whatever it is I don't I don't think Corey's ever gonna win hello Nikki and Chris Corey will never win a final Mark that down I hope I'm wrong one day to be honest with you Chris he says what serious threat does Josh pose to anyone unless you are Michi in a slide puzzle is only his only elimination win he's only like elimination win in history was that yeah I do think Corey is obviously above Josh I don't know if West though is the number one priority if he's saying West is going to beat us in a final West is going to beat us a final but what about bananas what about fessie you know what I mean like there are people even better than West potentially in a finals you know yeah at least this is

10:45 The second time he's done this to waste the first time was the War of the Worlds two West has never targeted just for obvious reasons well he says I agree with Kahuna because Corey deserves his first win and he has been too many finals casualties agreed Willy and yeah the photos for the castle 39. so as you say it's 39 kuna what how dare you how dare you go after Corey I gave you the perfect opportunity to make peace with lovable Mickey in the live and you know what you did you stomped on that gift you stomped on it that's what you did I had the table laid for you to at least get away and say he could be judged in the final which you did say but then you went that one step further to say he can't beat anyone else you really think that there's no one else in the class right now Corey could potentially bid in a final I think Corey could potentially be any of them I just don't I don't I love that everyone yeah like leave it at that I just don't think you will I just don't think you will I like he's he doesn't like even season Corey what is he standing out as like no I think he's playing a great game I think he's playing it to the end and then yeah exactly he's playing that Middle Field like he's like I'm not gonna like no one's looking at Corey as a Target right now which is good it's very good like except for sea bass and he's gone you know CBS

12:06 Is gone after he said Corey's name you know so I feel like he's playing the perfect middle game when I want no one's catching like he's not catching bullets there are other people ahead of him that's making bigger noise so he's probably I would say Corey's a lock for the finals at this stage because no one is looking at it yeah Chris is getting all the bullets you know Wes got some bullets bananas is probably next on the totem pole that they want to get out of there as a senior person and then maybe a title I don't know I feel like Corey is in a pretty solid space and he seems to be getting along with the girls really well like that Survivor Trio that is sort of running the game with the Tory attached to it all of them seem to get along with Corey and because he's such a good team player and that they know that they're going to be picked and different deals most likely in the final very rarely do you run the whole Final on your own I think no one is going to hate working with Corey because I don't think he's difficult to work with in a final yeah my whole thing with Corey I think it's I think it's swung too hard Chris I'm not like negative on him I said to you in text message and I think it's I think Corey is perfectly mediocre he's always like he's never going to be the worst he's not going to be like bad by any means and he's a good performer He's Just Not That top level to win a championship I don't think he's going to get there yeah at least this Elisa Grace if you says I don't think Corey could win on

13:26 His own it's possible if a finals have pardon it if not I can't see it lava moniki says Corey is low-key no one is targeting him this is what you need to do to get to the finals and increases when you should tell Andrew do another power ranking I hope you remember how untargeted Corey is I definitely will I feel like he's a lock at this stage to go to the final at least says jostle never won a final maybe she's not getting to it Mitch is never coming back on again like that's a horrible season even this next season this 39 cast and I know this is not a 39 podcast they had a bunch of no like non-champions on it but there are some capable people on that season like even if Josh was on that season I don't think he could have won it at all so there you go but let's move on from this and go to the Daily this was a fun daily I actually quite enjoyed it the Daily's name was Go the Distance they're up on this big platform it kind of reminds me of Australian Survivor as well where they have to run out and grab something like a puzzle piece as they're jumping off a big platform and that always is like something that when you have people with fear of heights it's the fact that you have to LEAP out for it that really gets people when they're having to go over you know this open distance and water and it can freak people like we

14:46 Saw this episode it did for some and I liked it because there were different rounds for them to do it and it got harder and harder with the specific baton that they had to grab being further away from the podium as they were doing it and what I also liked is that they made clear it was measured by their wingspan and height so it was a fair challenge across the board the challenge is doing great work in trying to make it as equal or even as possible across the board which is great it shows growth from the show we always talk about growth from individuals but it's good to see the producers are also implementing these things in the challenge but overall I thought visually this was quite an appealing Challenge and what a journey for Michaela this episode like I was I was right in there with her going through the emotional rollercoaster Superstar edit like she's this Arc that she's on like she in the last few episodes she's getting more and more vocal and we're seeing the smarts come out then we get the chance to see the physical sorry what is it a potentially like could this be a winner is it this episode specifically I mean anytime you're gonna have that the terrified Heights like we see it all the time but to overcome in a way that she did and not only just like actually do it like we've seen on All-Stars Katie terrified

16:06 Of heights they just step off the platform the Real's been Paralyzed by the his fear of height in the past still gets out and does it but never really to the point where he can actually overcome it and win he just overcomes it to the point where look I participated so the producers don't get mad but Michaela she even gives a nod to that banana gives a lot of where he says I've been on many seasons and normally when someone gets in their head like this they're out and they can't recover and then we see her recover right governor to the point where it's not like you never see anyone just standing there shivering trembling and crying like literally crying in fear and then just run and leap off a freaking platform over the ocean like that is some mental fortitude to overcome that to them and then actually still through that adrenaline rush and everything that you're going through coordinate the jump with the timing of the hands like we saw Michelle fall on the first attempt like straight out yeah like my comment is aging like fine wine in the beginning of the season when I said the problem with Michelle is the thing that always sticks out of my head is how she didn't Survivor challenges when she was on her own and this season is the first season where she is not partnered up with people and it's showing it's really showing

17:26 Like she's not a physical competitor she is actually kind of the Josh of the female part of the Season which is not great when it comes to individual performances and in fact I feel like Josh is better than her because Josh has won more dailies than Michelle and her Seasons that he's been on I'm pretty sure so but she's really being found out on her own individually she's got no way to hide on these challenges and another person that I'm kind of feeling bad to call out for not performing well but also have not been performing well for two consecutive episodes now Chanel she's also started to get found out badly on these challenges jumping stuff jumping coordination maybe that's the thing the trampoline and then jumping up the platform grabbing stuff while trying to coordinate a jump I'm assuming not that I do it much or I used to play basketball although jumping wasn't a thing it was just I call myself a two inch verticals just be able to tippy-toe rebound without actually getting off the floor but yeah Chanel not looking great in back-to-back episodes Michaela doing the absolute opposite and you can see like smashing it the she's got the length she's got that tall or sort of more lanky body than even like a basket like you would think she'd be like a female basketball player almost Desi is just power like where when you looked

18:46 At the technique they were using grabbing that like Michaela had that reach and that length and you could just tell she's probably played some basketball before the way that she leaves when Desi just powered away through it like it was pretty impressive to see Desi and Michaela both be Tori in this challenge go further than Tori it was for the first time we saw Tori not do well in a daily I also just wanted to bring up this comment here by Jacob says Chris I totally agree that Michelle is a female Josh but be red elimination so just potentially better at dailies but yo the other which one would you if you were to go on to the challenge this is a good question would you want to be known as an elimination Beast or a Daily Beast what do you think is more important I think I would prefer to be good at eliminations because how do you get rid of me if I'm in the eliminations and I keep winning them and if you have that reputation like a CT in the past like you don't get put into elimination so it doesn't really matter as much if you don't perform in the dailies because you don't need that power knowing that you have the automatic built-in stat buff for your intimidation factor and like it just happens to be good at both but there's times where he sits back and lets the game unfold because he knows he's got the buffer where I don't need to win today because chances are that they're going to throw me in any case they're kind of schemean

20:07 There's a new player starting to bolt that reputation this season and Chris and we're going to talk a lot about Chris he's building a reputation to someone that's good at eliminations Chris stood out to me on this daily as well because he was good before we talk about that can we read a couple of comments here in the live and we'll go into the men's part of it as well cash wash is saying Michaela is my favorite the season well he says I'm happy that Michaela conquered her fears because she looked very scared still managed to win her first daily that was awesome to see Willie lovable Nikki says very true so many dailies in history have been a disadvantage to short women so it's great to see that they're adapting Chris is also saying Michaela is a real competitor then again says I'm all about Michaela she's been my pick since the beginning I was worried that TJ was going to call it because she was trembling so much yes she was up there for quite a while and it was good to see her go because we know TJ doesn't like quitters so I know Michaela would have gotten some brownie points in his eyes when she did push through Danica says well we know Michelle doesn't win since she's on 39 yet that's pretty well spoiled by the show themselves and then will he says Michelle is nothing compared to Josh because Michelle is smarter than Josh yeah it's fair that definitely I think they've got both got different strengths I also think Josh has got some smarts I think we are sometimes fooled by the Goof Persona that he has but I do think

21:27 Strategically we've said this before like I'll give him credit he always seems to find a way to get the numbers on his side to move pretty deep in the game maybe it's also helped by the fact that no one fears him at the end a little bit so I might be overestimating how good he is strategically Danica says true to Willie but she's just emotional a casual says I think Alyssa cried so much as Josh but now she's gone so Michelle probably take over that role and Cindy welcome to the live says I'm late I have you on 1.75 speed I'll catch up in no time so we're going to be sounding like chipmunks doing Eminem Rap God really fast [Laughter] yeah so obviously you know great performance love the performance between all of these women but let's get into the main part of this Chris goes into this and he has to go up on his own pretty easy or pretty soon in the this whole challenge because the person he was worth and Wes absolutely flopped like that was probably the biggest shock of this all like how did Wes not get past the first you know obstacle in this challenge because he's a bloody legend he's good at dailies it just seemed so weird that he didn't do it but then he's out there on his own knowing that everybody on the sidelines wants him to not succeed

22:47 Because they want to throw him back in so you have that pressure on him yeah and Wes had the unfortunate thing of I don't know if it was necessarily A filmed for this day daily or they do that editing thing where they get you to do a confessional and maybe use it in a later bit or whatever but he went off it was so great to see the I have my chalice and I want to feel to the brim I want to get drunk on Power and he's doing this entire rant to then immediately it's so good is what an edit that was yeah and that it was West the overconfidence The Grooming with ego that he is they can also say TJ did him dirty as well because as soon as he was sitting on the sidelines and Joss fell out he's like oh Josh and Wes you guys have been spending too much time together and always is like don't do that TJ he actually certainly goes shut up yeah that's when you know you're doing something wrong on the dailies of you and Josh are being compared to each other Chris on this one though I don't know if you notice and this is maybe the difference between you said Michaela looks like she's played basketball in the past and I think she said she has fessie does play basketball at least he uses trampoline but Chris with the two-footed jump as opposed to the one foot

24:08 Like leap the two footed jump is not the best method for distance you know what I mean that's power straight up and he's a former college football player who would have done combines and you know all that sort of thing so maybe it's a different skill set it as well just to be able to get jumping for height versus jumping for distance versus jumping for both height and distance and I don't know I don't jump at all but Chris still in the two foot jump failed on his attempts whereas other people were doing the one-footed longer leap and it worked out I did like that they did the and I saw in some of the online forums and stuff this actually fooled some people and were wondering why Michaela's baton was green when she landed in the water it was actually blue I don't know if you noticed but they did this little editing trick where when they successfully grabbed it they highlighted the Baton in bright green and when they missed it and filmed they highlighted in red and I was like that's really smart that's clever but some people didn't pick up that the challenge is trying new things to make it a little bit more visually appealing and for a challenge that was very simple try to jump and run off a thing we'll talk about it because this was not the last time that TJ had some shots away

25:28 Stephen some more bullets coming his way later on in the episode we'll talk about that lovable legacies Michaela's I'll play basketball but Chanel has and Jacob is saying not too much on Wiz hey like we're not saying anything DJ didn't say it's all I'm gonna say you know we're just blame TJ not us but I think the biggest disappointment of this episode that there was no opportunity for fessie after the win to do a backflip I was fully expecting him to do a backflip into the Baton when he got it and sadly there was no opportunity for him to show off a little bit but he did impress by getting to that last baton I don't think that was easy to do bananas obviously falling short it was interesting to see both bananas and fessi now well and truly working together towards the end saying hey we're in the final heat we're not going to Target each other let's keep each other safe but ultimately this is going to be a thing he knew right like if you're standing against fesi in a challenge like that bananas was definitely smart to go hey I probably had a deal anyway because they're kind of working together but to explicitly guarantee it because I don't think fessie needed that guarantee he could have taken a shot of bananas in that of in that moment but he you know bananas was with the smarts there doing the smarter thing well going back into the house obviously now

26:48 We've got for the first time Tori not in power we've got fessi back to back in power really being dominant this season could this be festi's season he's looking good at the moment but more importantly than this Michaela she's finally got some power and she wants to use it she wants to make a move she wants to be memorable she wants to take out Tori the biggest threat to the girls in the house which if you're playing Survivor that's the right move you take out your biggest threats before you get to the final travel Council but this is the challenge so you've got to think about your long-term game you've got to think about what if this person goes into an elimination and they come back and they win power next week and they now know you took a shot at them and that is what Desi and Chanel brings up and the likes of Michelle but it does look like there is a little bit of a crack forming here within the Survivor girls Alliance for the very first time and I know that would be heartbreaking to you kuna you're a big fan of this very strong female Alliance that has been created but DC says she's now seeing Michaela colors and that she is selfish and I'm wondering if that is going to come back to bite Michaela in the backside especially when they now don't have a layup and Alyssa for the next round and Tori wins power will Michaela become the target is she someone there Desi and Chanel and Michelle could easily throw sort of under the bus I guess Cassidy is still there as well but the numbers are starting to dwindle down yeah

28:08 I think they're still strong but I think the downside of the Survivor strategic mentality is that and the difference between the challenge of Survivor is that like you said the survive Survivor well Chris is a you know the exception that proves a rule but there's no Second Chances generally right if you there's no consequences for your vote either because it's kind of like boy bands you know they just keep coming back like you know you can't get rid of them yeah in Survivor you vote someone out you get the numbers you vote them out that's it they're gone the only real comeback for you is maybe jury management at the end that sort of thing but generally speaking you don't have to worry about future Seasons you don't have to worry about them coming back from elimination so you can take a shot like that without worrying too much about the consequences and Desi and Chanel are both seeing that if Tory does go in you're safe Alyssa's the Alyssa and Michelle and them are the only ones they'll want to put a Desi and a Chanel for their strength although Chanel's not really showing it lately to take out Tori if they're gonna put Tory in they don't want her coming back so the only way to really give you the best chances of Tori not coming back is to put a Desi in or a Chanel in versus a Alyssa or a Michelle so yeah it's a tough spot for them but I can see Michaela why

29:28 She wants to but she's not really thinking through the full consequences of that action Danica says here Michaela should team up with Cassidy since she's on the outs obviously Michaela is lower on the Desi and Chanel Alliance I would agree with that Danica and then kiwi skid welcome to the live seat I thought I was going to miss it because of work but great to have you here kiwi I know that it's probably in the middle of the work day over there so I'm glad to have you with us at the moment but yeah it was an interesting conversation the deliberation takes place and this is where I thought it was really interesting how Michaela went into the deliberation and kind of just sat back and let Bessie sort of spout all of his you know strategy to her and I think it was very interesting in the sense that she was like I'm not going to lead the conversation fessie's got a big ego he would want to feel like he's coaching me he would want to feel like and she kind of played into that with him where he was sort of saying this is how you want to approach it this is what you won't want to do and it was good for Michaela in a sense where she could be like listen I took all of this you know an inexperienced plan this game and fessi is the one who guided me through the decision in case it blows up because we know that there are going to be some blow-ups coming into the next episode because Cassidy is someone that is going to also get some votes coming her way but I feel like Michaela

30:48 Could sit on the side here and plus she kind of protected all of her Survivor girls because Alyssa does end up going in face he does not protect the last big brother person there he does protect Tyler which once again shows that he's got loyalty to Tyler in the spot and then Chris gets a vote so Michaela and Chris have had an interesting relationship but it felt like it was more Guided by fessie than Michaela yeah and that's smart from Michaela a hell of an episode like even like that like you put the daily then you put the way she sort of approached thinking strategy wanting to get Tori but not necessarily pushing to it to the point where it's gonna like she put it out there yeah completely Indian people let fessie guide it she even looked great like her outfits and everything the way she walked into that discussion with Bessie on his arm and stuff she just looked really good this episode and you're right is it a Winner's edit I don't know but it was definitely Michaela strong and showing her in the best possible light the whole way through Carla welcome to the live stream I don't think we've seen you here before Kyla says they are deep in the game all alliances are known I don't think fizzy said anything that was not obvious and I agree with you I don't think yeah he didn't give Secrets away but I think that this strategy has been used by the challenge for years and years if you can blame someone else for the move do it and I feel like Michaela does

32:09 Have that ability to do it because she was sitting back and not driving that conversation it more felt like fessie was taking charge of who they wanted to go into the arena and I don't think that Michaela was losing any sleep over Chris being nominated in this spot because like I said you know it was more driven by fessi Tyler he was never going to put up because of the allegiance there she could easily explain that Chris was just the person that was out but this leads him to a very emotional scene really with Chris being in a confessional doing this confessional with Michelle and Cassidy coming in to sort of console him and tell him that his votes come up I mean this is again when we talk about does The Challenge use winner edits this was huge for Chris I was emotional as well and yeah he has yeah like he's hiding out in the confessional like he just wants to be on his own Extinction like edge of Extinction on his own just while like chilling and waiting he's used to that he's comfortable in that environment but yeah like really powerful sort of scene from Chris there and he's getting that overcoming win last if we had someone a new character on the show come on and they have been so raw in letting us in on their emotions and how they're feeling and the journey they've taken in life he talks about all of

33:29 These things he did through school that he was always so close to getting to that next step and then falling short then going on to Survivor like I said when we did our draft picks in the beginning of the year survival was a dream of his like it's like me going out there and playing Survivor he watched it from season one he wanted to be a strategic Mastermind he wanted to be respected for his game and then falling short being voted out third in Survivor having to do it a different way coming back finally winning it but still it not feeling good enough like he's always he's done good but just not good enough in his own expectations and probably the mind of people around him and here he is again in this game that is bringing out the insecurities within him because he is struggling to find a foothold in the game and he's feeling like he's on his own Island and again he's just not going to be good enough I feel like you can't help but hear that story and just want to shout for Chris it's like I am fully team like I was survive team Survivor in any case but I'm fully behind this Underdog Story of Chris right now and I'm hoping that he can find a way to get to the final and at least have a chance at running the final I don't know how you do if he does get there and you know he can have a great edit like Nelly T had a couple of seasons ago with his mother and wanting to help her and stuff and then get to the end and it blows up but you know it definitely makes me want to get behind Chris like I feel like they're really putting a lot of effort into building Chris's character to the

34:49 Point where Dara say it I feel like Chris could become somewhat of a regular Mainstay character on The Challenge Chris he's showing that he plays well from with his back against the wall when the odds are stacked against him I mean we've seen him in two shows and so far that's kind of been his Mo like he puts himself in a really difficult position I know bananas and stuff were saying last week he's setting his own game on fire but he keeps coming back and the way the challenge works historically is once you cut someone and they're bleeding then you keep going back to them because you don't want to make anyone else angry with your vote so he's going in all the time because there's no he's got no alliances he's got no recourse he can't gather the numbers once he comes back into the house so he's so you might as well keep sending him out but he keeps coming back in the previous episode so like and he's kind of been there he's gone through it and there's something to say for that as well he's already battle tested he know like Tyler said last week now I know what it's like to go down into the sand I've got that experience I've you know you've gotten out of your system Chris has got that in Spades a little you know he's he's working hard there and you saw him kind of meditate and go I come back I

36:09 Always come back and that was like we've seen in the past because I said that in the challenge if you get nominated once especially rookies you're going to get nominated until you go home but they're showing it in a different way this is usually we don't give a crap like when it's the people that are like continuous going in they might get angry or whatever but they don't show the emotional side they don't get that edit and we don't get that insight into it so it does give me like really interesting at least going deep into the I think he's going to the finals like the way they're giving him this much screen time yeah like he's been a big part of the season so far Danica says oh the tears not necessary I really wonder if this is the show for him and I don't think he's crying I think what people are missing is that the tears that are coming out has got actually nothing to do with the show or the situation he's in I think it's more about him feeling once again that he is letting people at home down him once again feeling like he's letting himself down by not being as good at as good at the game as he should be I feel like the situation he was ready for it and he always like you said he goes into zen and then just goes into it and gets the business done I like seeing people go into the elimination and sending people home that to me is always exciting I will always remember the Jordan and Tori season when they kept getting thrown in and they won their way into a final in War of the

37:29 Worlds too and it was exciting to watch and we're kind of seeing this again we saw that both Wes many seasons ago funny enough he also went into many eliminations and sent people home which is why he's got the elimination record so very exciting so far cash was the same Chris supporting Chris we'd love to see it Willie said maybe fissy was exaggerating about targeting with some bananas could be I'm not too sure I think their face he does to some degree want to take them out like he knows that the road to the end is easier if they're not there but it's also got to be very careful about when he takes that shot but I will say the species running out of Runway because we're getting close to the end game here and bananas are still in the game so that could be dangerous for everybody that is still left there Danica saying a social game sucks though yep the social game I don't think it's a social game I think people I think people actually really like him I think his strategy sucks more than her social game because people are still going out there and saying sorry Chris man it's a bad spot to be in like I feel like they don't dislike him as a person it's just he's a bit transparent with his strategy but then again in the challenge I feel like if he becomes a Mainstay in the show kuna to be transparent in your strategy is kind of challenge 101.

38:41 People in the challenge don't like the blind vote that don't like people trying to like you know be backstabbing and conniving they want to be stabbed in the front I feel like that could actually work in his favor the more he comes back in the future yeah but the problem is what's trying to Max that yeah well he was being so transparent in his lies like they've said he went around and lied to like nine different people back to back to back and in a house like that it gets back to everyone you know what I mean so he's transparent in the fact that he's trying to not be transparent yeah which doesn't work you're right like I think if he builds this relationship if he does become a Mainstay and gets the call back then you start building those friendships and you get a little bit more comfortable in the in your own challenge skin and can and say it with your chest a little bit more you know what I mean and also you never really went against the people that are probably going to get callbacks the most like he tried to actually work with Josh fessey and Corey like those were his boys you know what I mean so those are all good like in the future if he does come back and those guys are there they're at least going to know what Chris tried to work with us so we can pull him in the people that he went against was his own Survivor people so that's interesting will we get Desi Chanel and Michaela back in the future that's the big question I think out of the three of the Michaela's the most likely this is already paid now yeah this is already said she doesn't want

40:01 To play the main show apparently outside of this so if she does come back it'll be on another USA season most likely and Chanel I've got no idea so it'll be interesting and at this stage I wouldn't fear Chanel like Chanel hasn't proven herself yet so if Chanel's upset at me coming into the next season so what she's not winning dailies at this stage so that narrative can still change but I wouldn't fear her at this stage Chanel actually did a live Tick Tock that I saw someone comments on saying that she was upset that she's getting the non-edit this she's invisible this season and not really getting much from edit wise she said she had a lot of fun out there she was doing drama she was doing jokes and had a lot of funny moments but obviously with a cast like this and as large as it is she's kind of got the non-edit and she gets it she's not upset by it but she did say she did a little bit more in the house she thought would have made the edit well if you think about that is that good or bad thing for Chanel it's a bad thing because the producers haven't taken the time to build her character up so that we would care about her coming back in the future so I would be worried for Chanel getting a call back but you never know it's early days and they make interesting calls sometimes on who they do bring back Oreo says Chris is my guy taking out wessie is a true killer we'll talk about that very soon Willie says Chris winning the season would be cool because he has been in three eliminations and he's doing well this season Danica saying

41:22 Kahuna I think we're getting better edits since so many of the characters are already known by CBS that against his good point strategy is not so strategy not social to my comment earlier Carla says he just doesn't have the game friends he gets along with people but nobody is going to ride for him remember the Survivor Alliance is basically the girls he was on an island with well that's the thing it's kind of what we said like he's actually not working with him he's actually trying to work with people that are in the main show and they were always going to have each other's back like kuna said because there is a past relationship that have come over these guys like the Josh and the fessies and the quarries have hung out many a times outside of the game so Chris is coming in from the side so I can't judge his game by not making inroads with them on this season too harshly because of that like you know he's coming in with an L to begin with trying to get in there so I don't know I'm not I'm definitely I could see you're probably not the biggest supporter of him but I think he's still for me as someone I'm interested in I'm interested to see how he goes this season I'm interested to see if he can win he's definitely gaining my respect by what he's doing in the sand you know because there's a lot of people who talk a big game they strategize their great socially and then as soon as they get into the sand they lose every single time we all know those people are so Chris doesn't at this stage seem to be there so we spoke about this earlier kuna would you rather have the social

42:42 Strategic Mastermind the guy who talks a big game in the house but then when he goes into the sand he goes home or would you rather have the guy that's messy maybe doesn't have the best alliances but it causes drama in the house and then every time they're trying to get rid of him they can't get rid of him he stays in the game for me I'd rather have that guy yeah easily every single time because again like this season's done as far as like I said once you cut someone you keep cutting them until they go but if he builds that reputation as an elimination Beast like you can't get him out of the sand then maybe if he does get a call back he's not going to go down in the Sanders often right because there's that intimidation factor that he's building very convincingly denica says is Chris on your draft pick he is he's one of my draft picks for this season I picked him after Chantel picked Tyler which I'm going to talk about next Tyler had a big reputation coming into the season but even with Tyler it's just the lover boy this season a lot of his content so far has revolved around Alyssa and she's going to be gone by the end of this episode even just here being there for her being an emotional support for her going through her moment often needed to go into the sand it was it was sweet to see but I haven't seen enough from Tyler yet to justify that callback reputation alone can probably justify it but for people who've

44:02 Only watched The Challenge I don't feel like he's done much this season as of yet he's gone into one elimination he won that was a tough elimination maybe there is still some Runway with him going in and winning more eliminations getting into the end game but at this stage it feels like fessie is probably and Josh but fessie definitely is pulling doing a lot of the hard work to keep him in the game yeah I mean Tyler right now based on storyline the season and performance of the Season he's really like one rung above sea bass because of the elimination win although sea bass hooking up with an absolute you know vet builds a little bit more protection than having Alyssa who he has to actually go to bat for and try to protect and try to save and do all the work so all the work in the game so far has been to protect Alyssa as opposed to furthering himself in the game and that's not necessarily the best trait you a great trait for a partner great trait for a boyfriend great trait for you know winning over the fans as far as having this sweet it's a it's a sweet storyline they've been cute together but it's not episode yeah it's not a storyline to you know says Champion to me you know what I mean yeah it's an interesting one then I think at this stage this is where Josh and Chris has a bit of a conversation Chris says send me the big dogs

45:22 Which how can you not have respect for that we always say people are scared they're scared to go into the sand and actually fight for their place in the game but he's like I'm not scared if I'm gonna go back in give me the big dogs give me bananas give me wish who do you want out of the game I'll be the Undertaker this season and I'll take them out of this game which gets like he's got an interesting thought here as well because we just we basically Chris's fingers he throws 100 strategies at the wall and just wants one thing to stick and this time it's stuck he said to him throw them in because in his mind if they finally start taking shots at each other maybe they can sort of penetrate that very strong veterans that have not been going up against each other which makes sense because at the end of this some Secrets will be revealed right with Josh being the traitor within the myths of these players out there so it was interesting to see that strategy and him tempting Joss and then Josh going through this whole mental thing of will I do it will I not do it at the end of the day yeah absolutely and Chris also gets the benefit of if he does come back successfully he's taken out another potential competition in the finals or someone that will you know be a block to a championship as well so you get that extra added benefit of that and you also get to solidify your you know relationship with whoever you're you know if say for example Josh

46:42 Has said yeah let's get let's get a vet in then he's done he's bidding he's built that a little bit that relationship there he's taken out someone that could potentially beat him later on so yeah there's all sorts of it's tough like it's it that's scary to go I want to go against the best but when I do the upside of that is much bigger like it's a reward taking out a legend and Chris says here Chris went to the right person he knows Josh wants these other vets out but is incapable of doing it himself so he needs someone to do the Dirty Work Chris also says that Chris does the hard work and Josh gets the benefits from that which is smart on both ends also Danica brings up the point that we made here earlier that's what happened to Western fresh meats constantly being thrown in Kara Maria as well which is why I'm such a big fan of both Western Cara Maria because at certain times in the game they were on the outs and they had to fight their way back I think no one was on the odds for longer than Cara Maria though it's one of the reasons I've always stuck with her denica says Tyler has checked off all the boxes won a team green one elimination in the Showman's he might go out this time but he'll be asked back they're already setting him up for an ex this season could be with Angela or Alyssa I didn't know that him and Alyssa broke up I thought they're still together right now but Angela potentially I don't know if Alyssa I don't know yeah it's like just like no faith in this relationship they're 100

48:02 Breaking up in the future but if I was Alyssa Kahuna there's no way I would want Tyler to go on a season with Angela there's just no way because that connection was strong back in the day right and yeah very strong connection and Angela in my opinion is the superior version of Alyssa so like it's like they're kind of like almost the same but Angelus appears I wouldn't if I was a listen I'd be like you're not going on that season you're staying home Willie says Chris in my opinion wanted to get out the big player to make sure he is set up for the finals yeah then palava girl says Tyler's actually a beast multifaceted just as in front like Joss Willy coyote that's fair I mean if you that's why I said on reputation alone Tyler deserves another shot at this season if he doesn't go all the way but hopefully there's still some room left for him to play some games it's just where I've been disappointed what has been like there wasn't as physical stuff necessary and big brother that made me a fan of Tyler it was you know his social skills his strategy and we haven't seen a lot of that outside of the Alyssa storyline that's kind of what they're focused on with him so that's what's been disappointing for me Chris is between you and me and challenge Chris there are too many Christians in my God my ear keeps

49:22 Perking up when you aren't even mentioning me I know it's a tongue twister it's a tongue twister curious good says Alyssa and tala are not together just friends now she says okay interesting so maybe they were playing the long games like Hey listen we're just gonna pretend we're not together I can't believe Chris I'm so heartbroken that a relationship formed on a reality competition show hasn't lasted yeah like what a surprise I'm shocked and aghast should people when they get into a relationship phone Paulie and Kara Maria immediately afterwards and ask them what did you guys do differently to make it work because you know they've still been together they've still gotten strong years on people hated on them but as crazy as they were as well you wouldn't think they were they were the long-term relationship right like maybe these people that get on these relationships needs to think outside of the box like a Paulie and a Kara Maria maybe that's what's missing you know that magic Source please no one out there just ruined my morning and tell me that Tori and sea bass aren't like engaged yet you know in love yeah that will shatter the believe in love if that happened at least Alyssa said Tyler just didn't want to start another relationship since they both just recently broke up with someone okay that's interesting plavis had agreed on your

50:42 Tyler catapult loving the panel jeans thank you so much we love having you here and I love having everybody take part in this conversation Cindy says next week I want to see bananas and crisco against each other next week that would be good just take out one Legend after the other if he could kiwi skirt says she said it was a rebound thing and they didn't want to ruin their friendship it's fair Karen pulley are in game Chris is I would not ask her really for advice dedicancy styler and Angela would be a beast of a team if they would work it out honestly Cara Marie and Kyle would also be a beast of the team I agree on both Tori and seabets are nothing never were never really shocked seabus didn't believe that CBS was fully in love well he says Cameroon relationship was better than Tory relationship all combined that's true while Tori's had like eight or nine relationships since Cara Marie and Paul he's been together so I think they're doing a decent job of it at the moment they're not even in the season but I found a way to bring her into it I blame Danica you brought up Kara Maria and then it all went downhill from there basically but we do end up getting the elimination the arena happening whiskets three votes Tyler does get seven votes so the majority of the votes goes Tyler's way bananas gets two but West's ball is called so

52:02 I do feel like a couple of weeks ago we were hard on production and I feel like we now need to retract some of those things that we said when he went up against Dusty because if they were truly protecting whis if they truly wanted West to make a final because this is his last season clearly his ball wouldn't have been pulled here because he only had three balls they could have easily manipulated it half Tyler go up against Chris protect their IP their man one of the legends of the show they did not protect West in this situation well Josh didn't protect the West at all crying his eyes out while he put that and I like how Wes at the end he was like it was your ball you put that like it was it was of the three it was definitely Josh's one that got him you know if Josh didn't put that in there's no way he would have got it you know what I mean the way he kind of said it yeah like they're showing that it's legit it's above board like I don't think he would have put West against Chris definitely in a challenge like that so or maybe another Channel like that but just in general If he if he was getting protection when Tyler had so many then we would have sent Tyler's name Paul for sure yeah I think so and then Tori gets two votes Michelle's gets one vote Cassidy gets nine votes that must have heard for her she knows Survivor people were voting for her she's got I think the illusion has completely shattered that she's got people in there that's got her back right now with Cassidy going in and

53:23 Wes going in we had Cassidy versus Alyssa which was a scrappy fight they had this big wheel or like what would you call it like a girl there to like work around as they were pulling off Patches from the other person's sort of clothing it was an interesting challenge I actually quite liked it very Scrappy but it was very tight between both of them I believe it was eight patches Alyssa pulled off Cassidy beating her with one getting nine out of ten and for at one point there I didn't think Cassidy was going to come back and do it and I also want to give respect to Cassidy because there's been times on this podcast where I've been harsh on Cassidy this season I know that and it's because I love Survivor and I want Survivor to do well it's tough love like my dad used to give me right but Cassidy is doing me proud she's doing me proud right now fighting it out there for the Survivor girls winning his second elimination in the sand proving like she said that she deserves to go to the end and at the end calling out those girls that are too scared too scared to go down there and actually do the daily like I loved it man Cassidy is feisty and at the moment she's winning me over and I think ultimately that's what proved the difference in the elimination is that Alyssa everyone kept saying Alyssa had the reach advantage on her and could just hold her but when it comes to a challenge of physical sort of thing it's sometimes aggression

54:43 And just that dog go get him sort of attitude makes all the difference right if the physical tools might have been on Alyssa's side she's got the strength she can hold her all that but just having someone come at you like a buzzsaw and really try to like that aggression is not in some people's nature and it's hard to put up with when it's it can be very sort of overwhelming and I think Cassidy has that little bit of pit bull in her even though she might not have all the tools to back it up she can at least have that over someone like Alyssa who's a little bit more genteel you know and it proved the difference Chris was waiting for this moment the whole season she's like well you finally giving Cassidy props time to admit she would have beaten gabler or should have been a game but I still think gabler like Gabriel is my man and I still think he deserved that season but you know Cassidy is doing well this season I have to give her props I definitely have but at times very tough on her this season and she's a fighter man and you can't it's like the whole Chris situation when someone goes into the elimination as often as they do and they remain strong in the show fight you can't help but support that and you know Cassidy well done you deserve it I'll give you all the props in the world you're starting to prove yourself out there even though you're not winning the dailies and people think you're a layup you're doing the opposite and I found it

56:03 Very interesting that Chanel was throwing shots in the side after that comment and she's like well try and try and put me down there and let's see what happens lay up she called those straight layups Savage and the confessions I'm like wow where did this come from and so far we're not seeing it backed up right so I don't I don't know like I kind of want to see it now I want to see Chanel go down there and take on Cassidy or do I because I mean the Survivor goal does go home but I mean it's pretty harsh words for Cassidy who's just won twice like you're going down there in that elimination you're going to say some stuff because the adrenaline's flying you're still in that fight or flight mentality like you should have an understanding that emotions are flying high and you're going to pop off a little bit when you're down there but Chanel not having any of it well Chanel did it in a separate confessional that was filmed later right yeah we don't even know when she actually said it by the way which when I when I saw I was like she's talking a lot of crap for someone who hasn't even gone down and I was like I was editing magic a thing here I'm not sure like you know when did she say it that she was using the word yeah on Cassidy I was like man that you really wanted to stick it in the knife in the back there of Cassidy but Jacob is

57:23 Saying if the show is rigged as much as people say bananas would be a 20 time champ or even CT probably Danica says disappointed Dead with to Josh I mean and this is the thing about West is such a great guy outside of the game and I know this because you know even our friend but L forgot the name now true yeah not Drew not Drew thinking about Champion did ninja from Australia Troy sorry Troy sorry man I had a mind blank there for a second even Troy went over to the states not that long ago unless it's like you know you can come stab my place like he's just that kind of guy he you could be new to the challenge world he lets people learn and I feel like this would have hurt him a lot like you know at a personal level outside of the game so there's going to be some repercussions for this even though banana said that he didn't feel like this would come his way because he feel like he's got a stronger relationship with Josh you've got to feel like at some point there's going to be some repercussions for taking a shot at a vet and he's probably the lowest person on the totem pole right now because he showed that willingness to do it Chris by the way sorry what did you think of him doing that by the way like now like I don't when I watched I was like why is he doing that but in my head

58:43 I went you know what like I don't I'm not giving him credit for thinking it out this way but I think the UN unintended consequences is that Josh actually looked kind of smart because with Wes on his retirement rant for the whole season Josh could actually take that move yeah you know what I mean like I don't necessarily know if he thought about it that way at all I think he was just like this is the best move I'll do it now and didn't think it through but really with him never coming back or potentially never coming back he could potentially he could get away with it unless someone like but the only person that would necessarily hold it against him being a bananas is not that type either he knows that it's part of a game to go in and you know all that sort of thing like bananas loves Wes after many years of not but he's not going to hold it against someone for voting them out he knows it's part of the game so the people that were around him aren't going to give him consequences or repercussions either so it's an interesting thing that ended up working well for him yeah no it's definitely I agree with you well he says I want to give Alyssa credit because she almost won against Cassidy and put up a good fight that's true she did do a lot better than what I thought she was you know Kicking and Screaming going into the arena but then did really good when she was there casual says she basically called out Chanel since everyone else went into an elimination before

1:00:03 So that's probably why Chanel took so much offense to that specific comment Cindy says I only want to see CBS people in the finals I don't think that's going to happen Cindy I think that having these amount of vets still there with very much experience I would say it's going to be very 50 when it comes to the finals but there will be some vets definitely there Danica says so do you think this will be enough for them to ask Alyssa to come back not on her own but maybe with Tyler I would say Chris says Cassidy gives me a major current Maria Vibe so that means you'll just love her eventually yeah she kind of gives me a little bit of caramere Vibes like scrappiness and things like that but she's like to become Karen Maria she's got to put in the work like Cara Maria did in regards to hitting the gym bulking up becoming stronger and things like that you know current Maria really you know put on the work to become the legend that she is casual assistant I doubted all she's only went since months and Maria was casted kiwis could says teacher never mentioned seeing her again he said why not search for stuff but TJ can be brutal sometimes man not saying I hope we see you again Danica's saying dang you need to be careful about that Gambler thing it's a Hot Topic over here mind my own business hashtag buy my own business listen I'll always I'll always say what I think and people can hate it or love it I also appreciate it if people don't agree with me that's fine we're allowed to have different opinions maybe one day what I'll do

1:01:23 Is I'll do a deep dive into why Gable won that season could be worth it probably will get views just because it'll be controversial but you know at the end of the day I do think gabler did enough to win that season Willie says I mean Chanel that hasn't done well in Daily sentence protected by Desi and Michaela that's true Chanel is a layup so far wow a lot of people coming out for Chanel right now cash was saying I didn't even notice TJ didn't say that there's a lot of people there's a lot of people saying the same thing over and over yeah we want Troy back definitely want Troy back if casting knows what they're doing Troy but it'll be back I agree West is a mentor and re in real life so it's probably natural for him to be that way with newbies and of course strategic 100 but I mean if he's truly thinking of leaving the game him telling Troy who he's only been on a season with Once hey you can come stay over and all this kind of stuff I don't know if it really I just think that's in his nature I don't think that's a like a game thing obviously he does game of people outside of the game but you know West at this stage it sounds like he's not coming back but we'll talk about that in a second because I just want to talk about the elimination prior to that we had Chris and whisk up and the elimination against each other very different strategy being used here Kahuna where people like Chris did it first but then Wes also did it where they pushed themselves off the rail so that the other person couldn't catch them and the really funny comment with Tori in the middle there saying that West is like Peter Pan smiling and maybe when

1:02:43 He should be focusing and that's why they bring Tori back as well like she's a she's an experienced campaigner she knows how to give confessionals right yeah very good yeah Wes I was actually a little bit disappointed in West not just necessarily because of the performance but he going second you're at a disadvantage physically like I think they're tired their arms are kind of blown out a little bit but it's on both sides the attacker is also just as tired from having defended in the last one but I think the attacker has the advantage in the first when you've got fresh arms and all that sort of thing but create but Wes having the time to see the challenge be on the other side of it having that extra sort of analysis time and that's what he came up with is to get off the thing and fly around with zero control so you're just literally a flying bag that you can grab onto like I was like There's No Control you can't stop you can't change direction you can't vary the pace he's just flying and it allowed Chris to just freaking like a leopard on a wildebeest or you know like a gazelle where you see a lion chasing a Zealand just like both Paws into him just get the hooks in straight away it was crazy yeah cash wash thanks for letting me know Chris you're reading so fast it sounds like gibberish I'm sorry I'm trying to read everybody's comments and trying

1:04:03 To get through all of it and I speeded up how I was reading but if it doesn't make sense what I'll do is I'll try and just pull comments here and there and I apologize if I miss your comment I'm trying to read as many of them as I can and we can still see them coming in even if we're not necessarily directly answering them because the chat is live tonight and I really enjoy that I enjoy the fact that everybody is taking part in the conversation have a go here with the most important comment of the night apologies but Gable one sorry Cassidy fan she was good but hey 100 agree so what a what an elimination obviously like you said Chris's strategy ends up winning becoming a Venus trap cat capturing where's bear hugging him and then just removing all of the pouches using the momentum of Wes as he's flying against them which I thought would be the right way to go and this again shows that Chris is really good at thinking on the spot under pressure and that is what you need to do when you're playing these games I think that is why someone like a Jordan is so effective in eliminations because he has that ability to think on the spot and come up with the optimal strategy to win but it was a very close fight so Wes can hold his head high as he's going out of the game here but he does make the announcement here that he is not coming back and that it's been such a great time on the challenge they give the big Montage of the 18 years he spent on the challenge Kahuna

1:05:23 Odds on West being done for good what would you say are you saying it's a done deal or do you think there is the small chance we see Wes one more time maybe coming back for like a legend season or best of the best or something like that I think the timing is really poor because he's really going against what I wanted was an all-winners season in 40. and you can't have that without or I mean you could have it but Wes is one of those Legends he's in he's on the Rushmore for me and I really wish he'd done it maybe after that and I don't want him to go out on a CBS season either you know what I mean like he's MTV strong and I wanted him to go out on an MTV season and season 40 would have been the best retirement if it's an all-winning season I really wanted that he actually said on the bananas podcast that he gives himself 10 chance 90 he's not coming back but he's not closing the door entirely he didn't even want to use the word retirement he's just that's very different from what he said on the show in the moment yeah absolutely he said 10 which is not great 90 chance he's not coming back but I think if they throw enough money's not an issue for him so it's not the check he's not coming back for the checks in fact he you know with his business and stuff he it's harder to come back but I think we'll see him again

1:06:44 One day maybe when you know his kids are a little bit older and he can he's not in that new baby mode when they're two or three and you want to get out of the house maybe then so we'll see I hope we're getting back and I think we will at some point TJ being absolutely brutal at the end here as he says you know Chris they keep throwing you in you keep sending them home you're even sending them into retirement having a shop in your head was which was a filthy but fun comment there by TJ and TJ obviously saying the door's always open West we'd love to have you back in the future which you know that's a given like he's truly a legend of this game and if this is the last time that we've seen him it would feel empty that the last time he played it he played it on an offshoot season not the main season on interview where it feels like there that is where he should have his last season his last day in the sun should be on the MTV Flagship show you know even though it's been so great having him on this season as well I've enjoyed it like I said Chris is doing a phenomenal job coming back and we're getting closer and closer now to the end here I'm loving where things are being set up Chris being under Fire Cassidy being under Fire can they both find a way to get to the end here but we're sort of getting into the end now of the show here Danica asks if you're speaking from experience schooner

1:08:06 Why do you think I started podcasting so much yeah quietly messages me every now and he's like Chris can we just do a podcast today please like you know I need a reason to have some silence you know and then I put Mucky on the podcast with him and he's like damn I still haven't gotten away from the kids [Laughter] find everyone live we've had 40 people at the peak here thank you so much please consider hitting a like on this so that it can be picked up by the YouTube algorithm consider subscribing if you haven't done so before so that we can do more content there's plenty more coming up in the coming weeks we've got Survivor 45 content hitting us we've got the Amazing Race Australia The Amazing Race over in the US and the challenge 39 as well is around the corner so you know a lot of new shows coming up we're also doing Wheel of Time for those people that are interested in Wheel of Time this week I had to pre-record it because myself and will couldn't have our schedules aligned but that is going to be in 50 minutes from now it's going to Premiere here on the channel so be sure to jump on there and leave some comments for us on that as well it was such a great episode but for now that is it thank you everyone good night everyone in the live and catch you guys next time bye