THE CHALLENGE USA: EPISODE 2 RECAP

0:12 [Music] so [Music] [Music] welcome back to the nullified tech channel here on youtube also streaming live on reality realness with three yes this is the tnt takes on the challenge usa episode two chantal and drew is back here with myself chris to talk about this latest episode chantal once again coming in from a back-to-back podcasting session all right don't know how you do it that's how i roll especially because i didn't end up doing it yesterday so we did a double episode today so that's why it was a little bit closer i usually have like an hour in between but today we did a double recap so just cut my time a little short

1:32 Yeah a lot a lot of tv and action going on more things to come out pretty soon so you know everybody's really busy drew you've been doing a lot of work on the challenge the usa challenge i saw that you did end up releasing that tiny table talk last week as well for episode one how's things going on your end i'm assuming you're flat out as well i'm doing well i mean i am taking a step back so it's a little bit different i have to get used to the new schedule and just transferring my energy from doing five to six to seven videos a week to like a healthy four and some other stuff for patreon but it's getting it's a little different it's still the first week i'm still getting used to it but i'm doing well that's good that's good i it's the quiet before the storm for me you know i know that the four episodes a week of survivors in africa is starting this week we were like are you recovering it i'd like i'm actually gonna say at this point no i think i can't i can't i can to be honest with you i can understand because it's four episodes you know that you're gonna have to be covering in a week like i know from someone that's done australian survivor that it gets really hectic only to do three episodes a week so they've got one extra they definitely did not have podcast this in mind when they planned the scheduling around this

2:53 Season so it's gonna be hard out i'm more than happy to do the challenge continue to do the challenge continue to do survival and that's how i made it clear for now it's just all i can focus on because i do have a full-time job and you're getting more busy in your personal life as well obviously you've got a lot of gigs going on outside getting a lot of gigs which is great i love gig also my best friend's boyfriend is opening up a restaurant and asked me to take care of the front of house so like i'm like gonna be interviewing people and like you know getting that all set up get all systems in place and stuff like that so that's a big endeavor and like they want to open it up in the next three weeks so i'm just like oh look at you being an adult but i'm hoping though that because like me my best friend like we're all of us are actors and so i was like pushing i'm like well maybe this could be like we can get all of our actor friends to do like stints every once in a while it could be the place where like canadian actors go to do like a little bartending stint for one night or whatnot so we're kind of playing with some ideas and tiff is coming up so i'm hoping to get the tavern that we're kind of opening to be in tiff and have some movie parties so i it like it's just gonna be a lot of work and like i'm used to just having my whole morning free and now i'm gonna have to have some focus and like

4:13 Do some stuff so exciting times well we've got a lot of great live audience members back here with us today a lot of people a lot of regulars i see lovable nikki chris hector who else baby ice is back zuru man addy's brain we've got cj saying hi cj how are you doing and a lot of the regulars here in the live sam hidden didn't miss you there saw you at the end as well and yeah let's get into it let's get into episode two of the challenge usa thoughts and feelings now that we're two episodes in shintel i was gonna say like i can't believe it's only episode two the season is delivering so far like with is what's going on outside of this challenge i'm just like i haven't been able to catch up like i need to go find all the screenshots back and forth like everybody's sending me all these things i'm like i need to create a timeline as to what was going on who do i agree with who do i believe like definitely there's drama that is happening on this episode well stirring from this episode and i think it's showing what the season has to come because there's a lot of mess so i was thoroughly entertained by this episode and also with what's going on outside of the show so i'm happy this is good

5:33 Drew what are your thoughts have you seen any of this mess online i know you're normally you've got your ear to the ground i have seen this mess online mainly cachet's side as a lot of the challenge t accounts have been grabbing all of her like amas from instagram and posting it up so i have a few of those videos and i'll be talking about it on the patreon tiny table talk live because i have to sift through them as well and tiffany's been doing a lot of interviews because she of course got eliminated so she's making the rounds as the exit interviews so it's interesting what everybody is saying i will say that for the second episode i didn't think it was going to be as hype as episode one for me and i was right in that yeah i just think it started settling down a little bit more in the game so i feel like this is going to be the natural piece that we're going to be going towards the rest of the time yeah definitely yeah and i also think that doing the random name selector forgot the name of it whatever we're calling it the random name yeah the randomizer everybody goes randomizer like even angela in the episodes like randomizer nobody believes it well kesha and cinco being paired up together i think was clear evidence that if production wanted to manufacture

6:53 Something yeah if they wanted to manufacture some drama and they were like we don't know how long both these two are going to be in the game we need to get them paired up right now for the drama and we are going to get into all of that but what i wanted to say was with the random not the randomizer or whatever we want to call it right i think what it's done is it's kind of proven that they had to bring a certain uncertainty element to this game because there are so many different shows that are coming into this game that don't there are past relationships and there are people like for instance tyson never worked with ben and sarah and survivor and he even came into the season saying i don't necessarily want to work with those the cookout alliance did cut derrick and alyssa but it does look like if they didn't do the randomizer at this early stage in the game or some sort of mechanic i'm not saying this one specifically is the one that we should have had we probably would have seen an even slower gameplay of people settling into these dios and not really wanting to go against their previous shows because at the moment it seems like everybody is kind of feeling like they do need to stick with these shows to get deeper into the game which does make sense where in the challenge you know the usa or not the usa the mtv version of it there are so much past relationships that come into play that the messiness just follows them a lot quicker because of what happened two or three seasons ago on the challenge if that makes sense so i feel like they needed to

8:14 Mix it up slightly here yeah i think that you know someone in the chat was saying like oh they should have saved the cinco cache pair up pairing till later i think every episode they're going to go what is going to be most impactful for that episode so i think that they're going to i think next week like whoever is in a fight now like this week is going to be paired up together next week and i think they're just going to go with that immediately we did also hear when kashy did her ama or whatever on instagram she said that she was from the beginning paired like beside bunk wise beside like cinco and i don't know if it was desi or if it was tiffany that was like between them like they want to see this kind of mess and so i think that they were just want to get their money's worth right away and so they're just going to go for it so yeah i expect every week anybody that has the most drama is going to be paired up for sure i think that's where i'm getting frustrated with is that they call it random just leave the word random out of it unless you make it legit random just say this is the algorithm is gonna pick the pairs for the next week done that way i'm like sitting there going like okay they're gonna have some mess in it but once you say the word random i feel like they're treating the audience us as stupid to be like

9:34 Oh this is totally random cinco and cache oh my gosh week two who would have saw that coming oh my gosh justine had her friend get thrown out of his house because tyson threw her in now they have to work together who would have saw that coming it's like i think we all would have saw that coming we did see that coming seriously yeah it's definitely it's a bit on the cheek and i do think that us that analyzed the game the fans that are here in the live that listen to the podcasts and other people's opinion about the game we were not full but i do sometimes lose faith in humanity when it comes to the wider audience and the casuals being fooled like maybe a few of them have been fooled by this and they are entertained by this because clearly people are not calling them out on it enough so they do something like this in a season and i feel like there's been other variations of things as well we were like that feels a little bit manufactured by production but chris here says social media feuds i noticed tiffany versus alyssa sean versus alyssa cash versus tiffany desi versus tiffany so potentially a few different things that are going to be coming up in the season and cash has never followed desi like so and there's a block or anything like that but i don't believe cash follows desi either so i have to go sift through all those back and forth that's definitely what i'm doing after this

10:54 And hopefully i'll be able to put together a video about it for tomorrow yeah zodomania says the drama this episode was so great i'm just so happy that we have the cbs version now to give mtv yet another example that we don't need explosive and action movie challenges to have a good season i do think that the characters so far have been pretty good there's a few people that are carrying the season for me at the moment still though i wouldn't say the whole cast as a whole is doing a good job tyson's doing a pretty good job justine i thought had a really good episode here but she was connected to tyson and a lot of what happened was connected to him tiffany was great but now we're not gonna have tiffany moving forward cash is pretty good at the moment there's a few people that have been standing up i think some of the love island girls have actually been impressive like bringing some entertainment i've got to give credit where to do it's the it's the show i know the least off but i've been impressed so far yeah i mean like they're bringing in the relationship mess obviously they're on a love show and they have a couples that are competing together and so it's definitely going to have like the sides people that are friends are going to be who's friends with cash who's friends with cinco is going to draw those battle lines making them work together obviously have their alliances so it's definitely bringing an element of drama that we usually do get on the challenge with like you know

12:14 People that have dated our exes or whatnot so it definitely has the challenge element of having relationships having to be worked out in this format i find it very entertaining as well yeah so that's it i know i'm good i'm good i'm good yeah okay so let's get back to the start of this episode so obviously the randomizer happens we get the new pairs being locked together the big shocks we've already spoken about cachet and cinco having to work together gashay's saying that the big reason that they didn't work out is because they didn't really communicate and now they're having to communicate in this challenge moving forward i did feel like throughout this episode that was a very interesting partnership because she didn't want to feel like she was letting cinco down as well in the challenge itself what did you guys think of them as a duo when they actually got to the daily challenge and cash being sort of motivated by cinco you know they're on the challenge and getting it done when she's got a fear of heights and she's never really been a good swimmer or she can't swim this was pretty much like her crypto night right it was like two things that she didn't like and one and she has to do it with someone i still feel like these feelings there and she doesn't want to disappoint you just broke it up like it was pretty fresh like everything

13:34 Like within like the week like it wasn't like a couple months like it was a pretty fresh breakup i mean what i liked about it was the fact that it showed that there they did have a relationship you know she would go and visit him and he would they would work out together all the time and they would post their workouts on their instagram and stuff like that so they did have that kind of relationship where he trained her and like they have a working relationship when it has to do with like how to move your body in certain ways and so i think that her not wanting to let him down i think it was very useful in this in this case because if anybody else might have she might have quit and so i'm happy that they had this pairing that she was able to overcome some of these fears whether or not i think that they she should do that for cinco i like the fact that at least he was there to get her to overcome her fear to like to actually pull through and do it so i'm happy the way it turned out yeah i think that the them working together was fine the way that the daily challenge was set up though that it was so quick with every single round that i do agree with hector that it should have been saved for later because everything that was explosive about their relationship happened outside of the daily challenge so with them not having to really show how much they work together and how well they work together it kind of i don't know it kind of flopped to the point where it's like you could

14:54 Just done the randomizer random and then maybe it would have been worked out even better if they didn't have were partnered up together but i did like that cinco was so helpful he was very encouraging and cashier was able to face some of those fears alongside somebody who is a familiar face that really helps her out but i think everything that really worked in this episode between the relationship was outside of the daily challenge and it really didn't need to be used i mean i know production was nervous that if cachet was paired up with anybody else she could have seen an elimination and had been eliminated yeah they wanted to get that pairing in before someone was eliminated yeah they wanted to see some fireworks and it happened outside of the daily challenge so i don't know yeah it's the ghost of the past that is following cinco into the season and i feel like you know he said to us in the premiere episode he doesn't want to bring that messiness into the game but he does end up you know accepting tiffany's flirtation you know the advances that she makes and he plays into that a little bit we find out that there has been some history obviously a few of us have known i mean not me so much but maybe both of you knew that there was something going on between a tiffany and a senko outside of the game and we've got shan news to tell everybody about it so she's just spreading the tea i

16:15 Love that segment i was like you could give me all these hokey like it's so phoning in that segment but like i definitely loved her as our little news rt news anchor just spill in all of the messiness shan did a lot of apologizing though after this episode in social media but i thought it was great it was very entertaining and she says that she has tea but she's not messy about it you know she shares what needs to be shared but it was great messy it was so messy and the thing is that i don't think she really needed to give all that information for everybody to like look at cinco and tiffany side a little bit i feel like she could have just said oh i saw them hanging out like outside of the show she didn't really need to give all that information and the worry is that if shannon is looked at as this in the survivor circle if she says anything about any survivor player's business to anybody else and it somehow leaks over to the survivor side they're going to instantly know it came from shan she's going to be going in she's going to have a target on her back and i could it's just it's not good it's not don't over share it's good to give some information but once you overshare then everybody's like loose lip sync ships type of thing so that's where i'm worried

17:35 About it i found it funny because you know you could tell when she was giving her confessional in her mind she was like i'm gonna get the strategic edit here where you know i just give them a little bit as they need to know it but they completely flipped that on her with the whole new segment and made it kind of funny when i think sean was trying to be like very serious when she was actually telling them what she was doing in her game play thinking that she would get that survivor edit that she had you know but obviously that's not what she got here it definitely added for me to the fun of this episode though also chris brings up an interesting comment here one that i picked up throughout the episode she says cache saying cinco is attracted to manipulative women as loki is self drag which i do agree with but i found it really funny that she said you know cinco this big guy oh he's so easily manipulated cinco knows what he's doing he knows what he wants well i think the reason why that is like that's what she's feeling is that there's a lot of problems going on with her with cinco and with trita and they had a love the triangle on in the villa and trina in my opinion was very manipulative she and she's continuing to be really messy and trying to bring cashe into this mess and so cinco at times has been feeding this by going and hanging out with trina and hanging out with leslie from the

18:55 Show to people that are kind of opportunistic in what the how they've been acting inside and outside of the villa so i think that the fact that cinco puts himself in positions with people that are clearly manipulative because both leslie and trina both had a thing for cinco also on love island leslie was cinco's casa moore girl and so these women though both of them i think are opportunistic and so the fact that he's interested in that may be the red flag that cashier has seen seeing about him so yeah it's pretty bad the drama like trina is a mess and i've never been a fan but when cache forgave trina i was like okay i side with you cashier i'm going to forgive trina as well but i was like after what's been going on right recently i'm like not a treater fan whatsoever yeah all over my head here i can't add anything conversation i don't know about i don't know about you drew if you could you know at all i was just gonna throw it out there if anybody's watching all star shore on paramount plus trina and johnny are on that season by george i wanted them to be on this season but they're so messy on that season like trina is just making a big

20:15 Old hole for johnny and she just keeps digging them deeper and deeper it's awesome i would highly suggest it awesome is great i love it wow how's it going angie miss vanjie oh my favorite okay smile and wave it's all i can do on this conversation moving right along to tatiana's comedy is saying shana's the messiest pastor we've ever seen lol could be well you know i think that's why you know sean would probably be a good pastor she would probably know if people come with a messy ghost to her how to deal with her because she has lived in it but apparently according to this comment here shana's deactivated her twitter as well which is sad to hear so obviously there must have been a really bad backlash on twitter did she falsely make false claims here was cinco and tiffany not really together in that way because what it kind of because to be fair tiffany was the one sorry not tiffany sean was the one who brought the comment out that tiffany's got connections desi was the one who said that they swapped dna not sean like if you go back and listen to the actual thing but it sounds like she's everything too yeah like her somebody sent me her she had a tweet or something that like a big long post so i maybe i'll find it we'll see if i can find it sorry yeah i know that on twitter

21:35 Alyssa also quote retweeted because somebody put that clip up and was like oh sham was so messy but funny during this segment and then alyssa like quote and was like i thought you said i said this to whatever shannon was saying about how tiffany and cinco had like hooked up outside of the show so i didn't know how to take that like i don't know if shannon was like walking around saying that alyssa told her that tiffany and cinco had hooked up or if she's throwing that out and then going back and saying that alyssa said it to her or something like i don't know what was what that meant i just know that there was a lot of back and forth between shan and alissa via that little segment and them talking about cinco and tiffany's past relationship whether it was real or not so yeah this is messy it's very messy well apparently you know twitter is also saying some pretty rough stuff about xavier at the moment which is crazy to me it's like you know you could be loved one season and absolutely hated the other on twitter that's why one of the reasons like i limit the amount of time sometimes that i spend on twitter because it's just a lot of opinions getting thrown and it can be quite toxic to be honest with you so i fully appreciate why sean has deactivated her twitter

22:56 You know but then again you know she made the bet that she's laying and i guess and it's probably it's national international tv she's been on a show before she knows that type of stuff is going to make the main show if you're going to make those kinds of claims but i do want to say i think desi is the one who actually said they swapped dna that was sean tried to be a little bit more reserved than the information that she gave so and i love desi as well but it's just so chantel does desi getting some heat for this as well yeah i'm still not 100 sure of exactly what is true or what has happened but i believe it was desi and tiffany that were talking about putting on lingerie in front of cinco to get cachet upset so desi could know a little bit more and she could have been bringing in that information so like i still don't know if desi said something beforehand i don't know exactly with what cachet or what cheyenne was saying was a lie right now i'm team cache because i feel like she it seems like they are kind of coming for her and even with tiffany saying in this episode that ain't your man like okay it's not my man but he's my x-man and as a friend or an acquaintance because they both talk about how they were making

24:16 A friendship and they liked each other they were excited to be on a season together i don't know i would not be getting that intimate with a new friend and new acquaintances very recent public ex-boyfriend i just wouldn't be doing that especially being 20 years older than her it's just something that i wouldn't be doing so right now i'm feeling like i'm on cachet's side of it all but i haven't watched at least two of the interviews that people have been talking about so sarah from nerd entertainment sorry she interviewed the exit and exit interview and then also devin and devon on the challenge official podcast whatever also interviewed them and so i haven't watched those so i haven't heard tiffany's side yet but i have seen cachet's instagram post and it seems like a logical story so far so still i'm just gonna say you need to be you need to be careful chantel tiffany's fans might be dragging you pretty soon on twitter saying things like that right she was america's favorite player last season so she's got a lot of fans i definitely felt that she deserved to be america's favorite player i was super happy for her of getting that role or that money i like i wanted it for her i wanted her to win this season last season i thought she played the best game it's for me though i'm just i'm not seeing that

25:36 Same symphony and so this was amazing this was very messy yeah this new tiffany is not the same person that was playing last season that i was rooting for i will throw it out there that in one of cachet's ama or answers that she was giving she did mention that she was told something by alissa that really stirred the pot kind of thing of like oh tiff elissa told me that tiffany wanted to do a b and c and try to get me like so to me i feel like alyssa's name is getting brought up a lot and i'm not saying like this is second hand or third hand or what if it's true or not i'm just throwing it out there that alyssa seems to be at the core of a lot of stuff not saying that she's trying to do it but her whole edit is the revenge of the cookout and tiffany is a part of the cookout xavier is somebody that she was trying to manipulate this episode to try to get her out of elimination despite xavier's name also being thrown in there as well as possibly going into an elimination so i'm just wanting to throw alyssa's name into the hat of being like i don't know some of this could be true some of this could be right but i did hear like tiffany call alyssa snake and then cachet is also saying like oh well alyssa is the one that told me that

26:56 Tiffany wanted to get me out of the game and want to get my mental stuff and i'm like okay well let's think about the source that you're getting this from but yeah we'll and then chance also alyssa is also bringing up shannon saying something about the hookup between cinco and tiffany so drew you're gonna have to give me all your like any posts that you have because i need to put together this timeline because like i know i'm still like who said what when did alyssa come in who when did each person fall unfollow who's blocked like i know there's a lot going on i've still haven't figured it out yet should we do a video together if you'd like let's unpack this mystery it was tiffany in the kitchen in lingerie with the sprained ankle oh no i was just gonna say you're right alyssa's definitely in the shadows doing a lot of work but i'm in agreement with chantal like listen tiffany she's not been impressive this season in regards to just being subtle and playing in the background she's i think she's come in with a reputation and wanted to you know she knows what's going to make tv as well so she wanted to be this big character probably overestimated how well she was insulated within both the love

28:16 Island and big brother group and then just picked the wrong man to flirt with in front of the wrong girl and it ended up like at the end of the day tiffany should look back at this and say was it worth it was cinco worth her game because that's really what sunken game here in this episode 100 i do not think that whatever flirtmans that they had like fine you're just working out together fine you hurt your ankle he's carrying you to bed and like nothing's happening fine but as i said before if you're trying to make a new friendship with his ex-girlfriend it's just not a good look on these shows where feelings and emotions are heightened and you're always looking for numbers in this game like all the guys being on your side yeah it could be sort of helpful but like the women are looking out for themselves for who they want to go against or who they want to be playing this game with and if they don't want it to be you they can get those numbers against you so i think that she didn't exercise good strategy so far this season i think that you know what she was great at was being able to be you know have her really close relationships but that also be the nucleus of another really close group and i don't think that she even

29:37 Used her old strategy in this new game i think that she was trying to do something different i think that she thought that she had more control over the men and she thought that was going to be enough for her to have some dominance in this game and she really neglected half of the house or like an entire like shows females like you don't think that cash has connections like she at least says the other love island girls that are probably going to be on her side because if cinco cheated which i think is what the rumor is then they're going to be on her side no matter what and if tiffany is flirting with the guy that just cheated on you and you broke up over it's just they're just not going to want to have you around because it's just going to keep on be you know re touching that old wound and i think she miscalculated this entire season but i just want to say how crazy is it that we thought coming into this season we did our preseason content yeah love island big brother clearly there's something going on they're hanging out outside of the house we didn't think how messy that could be coming into a game like this and what potentially what baggage they're bringing into the game but how crazy is it that survivor who we thought man like of these guys go early this season the season might be just not as good because you know a lot of us are big survivor fans i know i am i'm very biased like i'm like team survival all the way and they have been

30:57 Able to manage to just sit back in the shadows let big brother and love island go at it and they've now lost a love island person here and a big brother person i don't know how well kashal or keshal was connected to the love island crew it didn't look like there was much of a connection there so love island is coming in very divided big brother is already fracturing do dare i say like the survivor players are going to run this game at this point they're going to go to the end because they know numbers and they know strategy so they're in a very dominant position after this and they also seem to know when to insert themselves into the drama like they throw the bomb and they run away basically it was what i mean we don't know if shannon is going to have to you know he's going to get in some trouble later like definitely she's gonna be a person that people are wary of and maybe she kind of threw those out there so that if she wanted to get tiffany out she could she it was easy for everybody to kind of get that group mentality together and vote out tiffany or get tiffany to be going down there and that's who shannon has been saying for the last two episodes that she doesn't trust and doesn't want in the game and so they are better game players so far this season we thought it was gonna be survivor

32:17 And if they're showing that it is and they're showing that they're always in power and they're finding a way to work together even though we know there are fractures within survivor but it's almost like no we're a survivor we're supposed to be the superior show here we're gonna we're gonna make sure that we all run to the end there's not a one winner at the end that you win by vote or something like that it's just let the best person win if we get to the end and hectares says the first daily tyson doesn't win a survivor player is going straight into elimination do you agree with that drew i it depends it depends on the pairings and the algorithm and who production slash algorithm puts with whom at this point but looking into it i just think that survivor one there's so many survivor players left now that i feel like they're gonna be infiltrated in a lot of different pairings that it's going to be difficult to even think that they won't be in power even if they aren't it's you would think that like angela or somebody who is very strong with a survivor player wouldn't want to throw in a survivor player like if somehow james can win into power he's not going to throw tyson in or want to disrupt the survivor players that's another thing survivor has so many players why would you want to throw in survivor to have all those players coming at you

33:38 In full force because survivor is the tightest group left i mean we thought or i thought when making that pre-game dossier of everybody that i thought tiffany and the big brother 23 all coming in together with prior history would be their greatest advantage which led to it being their greatest disadvantage and so now everybody coming into the game it makes sense that it was either going to be one extreme or the other the problem is that tiffany isn't like ct who is a 6'5 a dude and has really big muscles and people are intimidated by her it's she's one of the oldest on the season and everybody is scared of her and her connections and the way she can walk around the warehouse and grab casual and cinco and they're worried about her brain so to me it makes sense why it went to this extreme and that she's out this early when we thought that there could have been a possibility of her being able to go very far with her connections when in actuality people were scared of those connections so yeah it just makes it makes sense now that we look back on it but well and the work that she did so like we i thought that there was definitely going to be a love island big brother you know emergence because we i did hear that tiffany had talked like

34:58 Had been talking to cinco at some party like i just heard rumors that i'm like oh maybe she's like just gathering people or like you know just starting to get connections with people from other shows maybe she already heard that maybe she was going to be asked to do the challenge usa and so i thought that it could have been a really strong thing but i think that she completely didn't take into consideration that people may not want to be in a really tight alliance run by tiffany and they i think she just didn't like everybody says yes to an alliance everybody says yes to pre-gaming ever you just say yes to those things but i don't know if she realized that people when they were saying yes they weren't fully in it yeah i agree and you know there's a few people here bringing up tyson saying if tyson doesn't win you know survivor could be in danger but i also want to say you know tyson does seem to have pretty good connections across the aisle like i feel like we've seen him and angela talk already i feel like he's already forming a bond with james him and james worked together in the previous vote so out of the survivor players i feel like you can already see tyson spreading his wings you know us sorry xavier yeah xavier is another person so he's already he's got connection so i actually think that tyson there's a few scenarios with tyson crazy as it is these guys have not

36:18 Played the challenge before they don't realize if you get a shot at someone you take it but then again saying that we've also seen in the past that great players who win a lot like a ct can be intimidating and people are like oh i don't know if i want to throw him in now because if i miss my shot he might win the next daily and then he throws me in there so i don't know if i want to step in front of the tyson train especially if he's got some connections in big brother and he's got some connections in different places that's not just survivor because he knows that ben and sarah will never be his closest to him and danny have never played together him and sean have never played together and i do feel like a lot of people are attracted to his personality and they want to work with him because he's the cool kid everybody wants to work with the cool kid and i also think the fact that he has so far won both of his partners entry into that final i think that's also very attractive for all the women players being like oh i haven't been paired up with tyson yet maybe that's going to get me my five thousand dollars so i can be able to run this final so i think that the women would be like no let's keep tyson let's get rid of him later maybe win it but no but they probably would have one run the final with tyson so i think that it depends on it's gonna be the power of like will the men be able to like say like no we don't want to run against tyson anymore he's too dangerous or the women be like no we want tyson here because we want to run this game with

37:38 Him so i have a better chance at winning so it's definitely going to be a battle of the sexes who is going to win out if they're going to try and take out tyson or not i almost think it's always it's going to come down to the show as well and if survivor is gonna stay tight they're not gonna want to send tyson in anytime soon because they're like we need to keep our numbers advantage as far as possible into the game and even if they grab kayla or angela or enzo or whoever they're still gonna want that survivor number strong going forward so i mean as long as survivor wins i just and highly doubt that tyson will be sent in which is great thing for all the audience because he's great in confessionals and i want to see more of him uncensored on paramount plus love it yeah kaylee is also saying here people owe too much to tyson to automatically throw him in exactly and i'm wondering i'm wondering i saw an article this week from tj he stated a few names i don't know if i should mention all the names he stated because we talked about him before did we so he stated some names he stated some names of who he would like to see come back and play the main show and is this from the podcast and brian cohen interview this was from an article that was online so i'm not too sure if it was usa daily or something that i just read but he mentioned alyssa tyson ben

38:58 Sarah danny and i think those were the things he didn't say sarah when i heard him talk about it but chatel would have known but yeah those are those people he didn't say yeah he did say it's interesting it's interesting who he's bringing up there because you know tyson has sort of thrown a little bit of shade before the season even went live but he's the star at the moment like i mean they're really focusing on tyson obviously he's won a couple so that makes it easier for the editor to be a lot around what tyson is currently doing but i'm wondering if they're trying to like convince tyson this could be a sweet spot for you know we can we can keep you in the limelight but i don't know if tyson will be persuaded by that i'm wondering so tyson has just been like oh he thinks that like the challenges on survivor are a lot more superior is kind of what he's been saying in some of his on his own podcast i believe i wonder if he's saying that just to throw like us off the scent of him winning the season because like if we're like oh why is tyson pissed off with the challenge like it's going well for him so far like if we knew that he was gonna win a hundred percent like is it that interesting so maybe the fact that he's playing up like oh like this the other format and the challenges are like not that great like because he wants to appear like maybe he's pissed off with the show because he wins

40:19 Could be that or i had a thought like what if he goes into an elimination or something happens where he has to leave the game and he doesn't get to take his whole bank account with him and if he's winning he's thinking i have 25k in my bank account it would be great just to take that and go if i really want to and then come to find out he won't be able to take it unless he gets all the way and wins or something like that so it's either really good or bad it's someone else there's another bad one someone else suggested in my comments saying like what if he's medevaced like what if he gets injured and taken out early from maybe some of the game mechanics of a challenge yeah let's not put that out of the universe let's just like put that right out of our minds that's not good so let's put it back into he's just not happy with the challenge because he wins and he wants to throw us off the set yeah and also like you know someone here says you know tyson does have a way he's got a dry sense of he doesn't have a way with words apparently try moyota i don't even know if i'm pronouncing that right sorry tyson actually said he wants to be paired with the weaker girls on his podcast because he wants a challenge and he said tasha kashay and kayla were the weak ones so i mean sometimes you just don't know with tyson like if he's saying a tongue-in-cheek and if he's like really serious about what he's saying and what he's doing because i don't

41:39 Even know if he knows if he's serious half of the time when he talks to the camera sometimes so he's an entertainer but so far he's impressive and when you get someone like danny noticing you in this daily challenge when you're out there you're swimming you're going up you're collecting the words you're going down and you're putting them together and danny had nothing but good words i mean that's the highest praise that you can get because this guy is a professional athlete saying that man tyson is impressive and he's impressed by that well i did hear that tyson trained for the challenge so doing you know weighted runs definitely climbing thing like he did stuff that was going to help him on the challenge and so i appreciate that dedication you know i like somebody that gets prepared and so he did prepare for the challenge which i'm definitely happy about because it's paying off 100 like when he was doing the daily a they had the best strategy like get somebody working on that crossword puzzle while the other person runs back and gets more pieces and he just kept on going back for more pieces the more pieces that you have the more opportunity to make words and it was also showing how strong he was to the other people to make him more feared more intimidating and so i think that his entire performance for the daily was very impressive and i think it was going to be helpful for

42:59 People to be scared of throwing him in he really reminded me of wes in the all-stars 3 finals the way he was just going back and forth back and forth like you could just tell he's on a completely different level of endurance of strength of just everything compared to the rest of the cast who is like even struggling jumping from one of the pla of the platforms to the buoys i mean he does have the length but to get up and down that ladder like to get up that ladder is gonna take a lot of strength and he was just like all right i'm gonna go back again you would think he had tripled the time the amount of letters and times he went back and forth and sometimes he was just doing it by himself and they had over triple maybe quadruple the letters of everybody else and they had 20 minutes the same as everybody else it was incredible it was a really great performance nine words the closest person to them were danny and who was danny's partner this round it was dizzy who's a powerhouse as well so dc and danny had six and they were the closest and same with same with tiffany and cashel they all said six did you love whose comment was i think it was it caches or shan's talking about desi's bicep and like just grabbing the salt she's like why does your why does your muscle look like that when you're

44:19 Not even flexing grabbing the salt and you're the nicest person and now in hindsight knowing that they've got a bit of beef between them it's sad because it looked like maybe they could have been friends between the two of them as well so but yeah that was a funny comment and also what really impressed me with tyson this specific challenge was the fact that you know he had that thing where he said when you're a biker there's this technique that you do where you don't show people that you're aghast so he's like i'm tired on the inside but i'm not going to show them so that's going to intimidate them even more and continue to create this fear factor about me just going out here and winning everything which i thought was interesting and when you look at tyson like if you didn't know who tyson was like a lot of people from love island don't know who he is there's a lot of people coming into this who probably never watched survivor he doesn't have the physique of someone traditionally that you would have thought would be dominant in the challenge like he does not look that athletic he's got this lean lanky bulb but he is super athletic and it's just we've spoken about this on this podcast a few times you know when we've mentioned josh who's training really hard to become more and more fit so that he can be good at the challenge and we've said you either have that natural athlete sport ability or you don't have it even if you become fit you're not necessarily going to become great at doing sport and have that athletic ability and tyson's got that like i mean tyson is probably like he's trained hard no doubt about it

45:39 But he's probably 50 of what he was when he was in this prime and tyson at 50 is scary i wouldn't have wanted to see her in like late 20s like 28 or 27 like he would have been an absolute monster yeah he's so impressive and what i also thought was really interesting because we were just like casual who like but then like they both had their eyes on each other so he was wanting to know whether they were what was that muscles or not some way but he said i can't remember exactly what he said model muscles model muscles or practical muscles and like i thought it was a that was funny but b like i didn't realize that he had his eye on casual as being someone that could be a threat to him physically and then also that castle had his eye i mean tyson it makes sense but like that casual had his eye on tyson as well and so i like that they both kind of clocked each other as their competitors i thought that was interesting yeah i was going to say dolores the ringer but i see someone else's help you here so for anybody who wants to go and listen to tyson talk about the challenge it is on the ringer podcast for spotify i believe apple as well so go have a listen to that i'm sure he's not gonna tell us everything until the season is over and maybe there will be some extra juicy tea when we finally get to the end here but one

47:00 Of the other pairings that for me was an interesting one and really put my girl kayla in hot water here this episode was her and james being paired together as the two amazing race contestants coming into the show and they both really struggled on this daily challenge james ultimately going down hurting his back or something as he went down and i was really fearful for him the way that he was talking i thought he was gonna get medivacked or something and it was a lot more serious but chantelle we've spoken about this a few times on this podcast they're still using life jackets for people falling from height into water why are we still doing this right now and my big question would have been if i was out there can you just throw the life jacket to the side and if you're a decent swimmer just not swim with it or is it a safety thing where production is telling them you have to have the safe you have to have these life jackets on because i don't think that's safe and i think that's probably one of the things that hurt him as he came down falling on his back with a life jacket on onto water i'm not sure because on all stars three no all-stars two there was a challenge where what's her name so oh my god what's her name jody and brad they were doing the they had to swim and then they had to memorize all those pictures and go back and recreate something and they were treading water

48:20 Normally and they didn't have a life jacket but everybody else seemed to have a life jacket so i'm wondering if it's a you can choose to do what you want but everybody's using like you have the option that you can use the life jacket and i would like i'm an okay swimmer but like i probably would want to use the life jacket just because it's just less tiring to me have the life jacket on but i think what i would maybe want to do would be throw the life jacket down and grab it and let's use it kind of like as a flutter board as opposed to like wearing it while i'm trying to go into the water so i feel like they should have the option that would make the most sense to me but then everybody takes having it for safety so i don't know what are you doing i was gonna i was gonna say chantelle i was gonna say so you're basically saying you do the leo strategy of taking off your life jacket or your shoes midway in a challenge climbing up did the time start with like when he was like just like getting ready angela is like you know bloody she's like i don't know everybody yeah she's like the same bolt out of the block straight into the water swimming to get to the platform and he's still on the sidelines taking her shoes off where she's like already halfway to the platform she's been impressive as

49:40 Well like angela like i will give her some credit even her confessionals so far for me like i agree i don't know who i think chatella was you said last week that she would be more entertaining than kayla on the main show and i agree already just based on what we've seen so far i'm like yes please bring kayla and plus she even did air quotes on like randomizer like you collect that like i'm with you i love you i love you 100 and i was like just bring her into the main challenge so that she can take out you know she probably wouldn't she'd probably end up working with her to be honest they would work together just make that stronger unfortunately unless they're not all going to be on the season i don't know dynamically if it will work but i think that she would have been a better person to have brought on the fir in the first place over casey i think that would have been a more interesting thing because she wouldn't have automatically gravitated to working in that same tight-knit way with josh they don't live in the same state so like they wouldn't be best friends and hanging out and everything already hello selena so yeah i think it would have been a better casting decision if they had brought angela first instead of casey instead of fessy instead of josh i mean josh he was annoying but like he did have his purpose when he was friends and then enemies with paulie but this whole power with his best friends is

51:00 Not like it's not it so it's not fun yeah it's it sucks the life out of the show when you just know that group is always going to sit together and they've now also infiltrated the rest of the challenge vet vets and there's like the stockholm syndrome of all of them thinking that they're friends with the big brother players and they're just working together season after season not fun to watch but i have enjoyed angela she was an absolute beast here obviously it didn't go so well was there anybody else drew that sort of stood out for you i think there was a funny moment just as i'm thinking about it with cashel writing kyra's name down instead of actually a word and tiffany was like hey focus we're in the middle of a challenge here why are you writing your ex's name down yeah and like i don't know if he's doing that to try to like flirt with kyra we also learned that he cheated on kira and that's why they broke up and so maybe he's trying to get back in her good graces i don't know but like win the challenge like that's hotter i think than writing your name on in a crossword win the challenge people love winners and having the allure of that power i think that would have been better to get her to be like so what are you doing with like who are you gonna throw it like if you want her back i think that would have been a better strategy casual

52:20 Needed to go let's just be real he was he has the a personality of a two by four and has a buzz cut we do not need him on this season any longer he's a libra what do you mean you're just going to throw out another rebar like that all right well i got to change my sign so i'm up for anything but a libra but no casual is not it never was he was undrafted on by draft so that was hilarious i just made the post for the audience and like it's gone the audience is like we don't want him don't give him they named it team slay and i'm like got slayed i will say that the other person that kind of like stood out to me as somebody let's talk about another flop and that is going to be david who got his first and only confessional in two episodes thank you david for that one point gosh what a loser and as confessional was ah i can't wait to go up against tyson who won the first one because now i can prove my worth and then immediately cuts to him just absolutely failing down but listen that's what david brings to the show the editors know that david maybe knows that i don't know if he knows that or not but you know he brings a lot of different fun and a bit of a

53:40 Random factor to the game you can't just have game body players playing the game so i'm actually enjoying it even though there's one i can give him one confession i'm okay to give him that one confession i also heard i don't who told me this or where did i hear it i don't remember but that james and kayla actually went first so i think they put them in round two when they showed the episode but they actually were part of the first round that went through and so that also probably was done because they knew that everybody after them were just like we only need to get one we only need to get one and so maybe to try to bring up the suspense a little bit to have them be second as opposed to first i don't know really why i'm liking alyssa by the way i'm liking alyssa giving enzo absolute crap when he was like we just need one melissa's like no we're going to win we're going to go for the win and angela's like yeah of course but i mean if we do get one we're okay you know and that was funny to see because alyssa's got her mind in the game as well she's there too she wants to redeem herself like she didn't have the greatest showing her dream was taken away from her big brother she's like i've got a second chance at reality tv stardom and there's a reason tj mentioned her as someone that he'd like to see on the main show like that's what i'm trying to say i don't want to give too much away but why are those players names being mentioned by he said that all over the place so like you can't really hide from that it's kind of like when they do these

55:00 Super cuts of the whole season that you can dissect and know exactly who's gonna be in like the final like it's they give a lot of stuff away and so it's out there they want it to be out there so maybe so that we're rooting for people when we're watching i'm not sure i personally would probably keep it a little bit more of a secret if they're super cuts i would have been like hey like let's not show everybody that's like i would like to create a little more suspense but it doesn't seem like how they want to roll so yeah don't worry i don't think you should worry about it because they are saying it so they're not worried about it i'm getting i'm getting in i'm getting in trouble here by lovable nikki wonderful moderator of the chat and before i know it i might just get removed from this call you know she might just be like now bounce him out of here i am talking about speculation only i don't know anything this is all public information that djs put out there and he said obviously he can't he can't go into anything to mor too much more than that but i think what he really said is he liked their personalities and the fight that they bring to the game so and i could see that with alyssa because again he was saying like they're all yeah like again yeah like i mean alyssa is like i'm not just here for the numbers and that's isn't that like one of the things that we hate about the main show is the fact that so many people on the dailies these days they just don't try and she's like no i'm gonna go hard for every single daily i'm gonna try and win

56:20 It right drew yeah i mean i'm personally not super impressed by alyssa but i mean yeah tell us tell us why what does she do i'm glad you and i'm glad you and tj are no i think i think tj so looking at alyssa's stature i think it's easy to kind of discount her as like oh she's gonna get run over and probably taken out of this game she's probably gonna be sent first into the elimination because she's gonna be deemed as weak and then come to find out she's actually putting up a fight and doing all she can in these games and i think it's impressive to someone like tj i mean tj let's be real tj is acting like a swim coach with everybody out there going like i'm impressed with you guys you guys did an amazing job he did that first episode's daily challenge and he did this episode i can't wait till he says it every single time where he's just like guys i just want to say i'm impressed with every single one of you guys are doing such a great job even though you've got zero words even though you've got zero waves yeah you're right even david do you think he's gonna say that to david i don't know why put him so much in the trailer if he's not gonna have a single confessional in like one and a half episodes everybody why did i draft him they got you they fooled you they're like ooh drew always sings but we dropped the

57:40 Teeth but we drafted before the trailer so i'm you know what i would have drafted him like second overall been like guys i watch that trailer and oh my god you would be happy that you did it right like the competitive side of drew's coming out here and now i know why he doesn't wedding now i know why he does not like alyssa because she's in my team and he's like i can't give chris that one person that's in his team that he's happy with at the moment and he's got david and his team but david's your last pick man like you shouldn't be too down and not performing well you didn't have high hopes coming into the season selly was my last pick just fine so david was my second last pick but yeah i would have last guy no i think the main thing that i like i think alyssa is doing better than i had imagined her to do on the season that is going to be so physical and so physically demanding the only thing that i'm not a huge fan of is the revenge plot it's like i would like to see more of a side of her than just always talking about getting revenge on the cookout and then the pressure on xavier to be like you're not a good friend you're not helping me to stay out of elimination even though tyson is like there's two teams up for xavier and aza listen and so who's gonna go in and tiffany's like well alyssa and enzo please

59:00 And so he's like okay those are the two teams and then the next thing i did that was also not great of tiffany as well because she like she could be like i can't give you a name because like i'm support all those you know what i mean like she if she had done that like that would also probably been better just for could you do that to tyson though could you like i mean tyson is this like i feel like tyson is a seasoned campaigner this is his fifth reality show that he's on right and if you tell him like i can't really give you a name i feel like tiffany would be like if i don't give him a name he's gonna he's gonna use that and just say well you couldn't you didn't want to work with me i'm gonna vote against you so i feel like it's a like i understand tiffany didn't play a great game and she was sloppy this episode but i feel like that's a bit tough because you have to give tyson a name at that point and he was asking for a big brother name and she wasn't going to give the closest people her inner circle away so enzo she's not that close with alyssa was always on the fringes of whatever they did maybe alyssa got wind of that and that's why she's like let's get rid of her we have pretty much the whole house on our side here nobody really wants to work with her and she's willing to let me go like i'd be like sorry deuces tiffany like if you're the other option other than keeping me and enzo together and xavier and ozza together like tiffany he has to go and also sorry go ahead sorry

1:00:20 Yes i was going to say the other thing here is that i understand like the feelings here drew because you know xavier is your second guy pick for the season and obviously you know she's working in the shadows against them she's manipulating him here a little bit he did have a crush on her and big brother you know so she's using that to her advantage a little bit i think in the situation but you know if you've got it work at girl you know use what you've got to get yourself ahead of the game and use that relationship he did betray you in big brother she does not owe anything to xavier now is this going to be a winning strategy for her long term i don't know but in this episode it kept out of the elimination just playing devil's advocate here i'm just gonna say i want to see different confessionals than what if your best friend your best friend your best friend for 65 days 65 days it's like okay so your best friend that you met in a game for 750 000 with lying cheating and stealing and backstabbing whoa it's not like you knew each other from like preschool and then you went to the game and was like your friend lied to you the whole time it's like no you gotta use friends loosely i have to say though okay i have not played the live real version of big brother but i have played some online reality games at big brother where they are equally as long like 100

1:01:41 Day games i played 85 dave games like six weeks games like i played a lot of long format games and i've played with people that i've made some decent relationships with and if they were to stop like been lying to me this entire time and allowed me to get voted out and there's something completely gone under my like right underneath my nose it would affect me and i don't know if i would forgive them so like i understand kind of where she's coming from this like the betrayal part of it like yes she knows it's a game but if she felt like she but okay also though distinctive event alyssa again as well the fact that they might have easily like only asked her about it one time and they keep on clipping it in to suit purpose of storytelling so she might not be saying it every time but the producers might have used the one time that she talked about everything that was going on between her it might have even been pre-season where they're getting some of these clips from because they use their same outfit and whenever they decide to go and talk to them for their confessionals so we don't know when she's actually yeah you know i'm right through we're trying to distract me you know i'm right well i'm just feeling like we're having like another question that she had to she had to have

1:03:01 Said enough for them to clip so many clips of her saying something about it also i hope she likes the consolation prize because the amount she's trying to play of this revenge big brother like she's going to get a consolation prize of getting her own ticket home the way she's taking out her own numbers so that's the case though with the fact that tj is so high on her performance this season i don't i don't care what tj says i mean for real for real xavier is like i think alyssa is my number one i always have her back and we even see that in this episode yet she's still like gonna be like cookout cookout i gotta take out the cookout instead of being like what's gonna make what's gonna help me get to the end so i feel like yes she really wants to prove herself and win this game but the amount of what we're seeing is cookout revenge of the cookout revenge of the cookout makes me think that's the story arc that we're getting at least via the edit wise it's not like i'm going to so who do you mount up and take out gamers or xavier what who do you think is going to be out first alyssa or xavier with the amount of time she talks about xavier and i think xavier could find himself in elimination at least because he doesn't see it though so that's what i think is going

1:04:21 To happen i think what at least sorry is gonna happen with xavier like he's gonna get paired up with somebody that's not gonna be in good standings and then all of a sudden you're gonna get somebody that's like i wouldn't mind taking the shot kind of thing like what if i could persuade you to throw in xavier and so be like done kind of thing so that's what i think yeah i was going to say unless xavier somehow finds out that alyssa's secretly plotting his demise behind his back that could turn the tables because he does have it looks like a good relationship with tyson who's been reasonably in control in the game but then again does tyson want to run against xavier in the end we haven't really seen xavier do anything yet that makes him a threat out there like in regards to being good at dailies or you know anything that shows that he's going to be someone to look out for but it could also be it could also be a game plan from xavier at this stage because he's just won a big show he's like the most recent winner on the show so he probably doesn't yeah he's kind of like he's like i'm gonna try and like just like be in the shadows and not be too obvious of a target here at this stage in the game i want to bring back up our teams here at this point and obviously we've got an elimination that takes place we do see and tiffany out

1:05:41 Here so i lose yet another player jeez man like these drafts say i know how to pick them so i've got already a little bit of a disadvantage here coming into this before we go into the points here what did you guys think of the actual elimination it's two bicycles they have to ride the bicycles up to a certain point to light up the screen and then they've got to do a memory puzzle and then go and replicate that back on a board at the bottom the one thing for me i will say that i didn't like about it was the fact that you couldn't see how close people were steps wise if there was a certain target again it's up for production to flip the lights on and off like again like i feel like it's very hard to see if this was fair or not because cashell was like you know he nearly moved that bike and it was a stationary bike and they couldn't get that light to flip on so i feel like there was room for production to get involved here if they wanted to which is there's too much of those instances happening at this point for me in the show well also though we know that tiffany has a hurt ankle right because of the being he's carried by her savior the southern gentleman cinco de bed top bunk so she wasn't she definitely was not cycling as quickly but i also think that tiffany got unlucky here with the fact that i think a majority of other people if she

1:07:01 Had gone up against it them she would have they would have been able to beat them because they were really good at the memory thing it's just that james and kayla were able to figure out a strategy more quickly and it could be because they're from the amazing race they probably realize like what kind of things that you need to study like we know that we heard that kayla she you know she was reminded that she lost the game lost one million dollars for the fact that she messed up on a memory challenge so i'm sure that she came and she knows the challenge so i'm sure she came prepared with ways to memorize things and she talks about like making a story out of the images so that she could easily remember them so i think that she might have had a problem maybe against tyson because tyson would have probably been good at something like that but everybody else i'm not sure if they would have been as good as tiffany was so i think she just was unlucky with her match up there but i also agree with you chris that the production could have stepped in there and allowed for the amazing race team to stay in the game it's possible a hundred percent agree with the criticism that you and chantelle have said i did not like the elimination for the sole fact that what was the lights how did we figure that out who was flicking

1:08:21 Like how many rotations of the pedals like what was how did it work yeah exactly like that's what i why can't we have a treadmill we're throwing balls over a wall kind of thing like back in rivals too like why do we need a bicycle why do we need this big old setup because it is that thing of like okay well we can't show the whole elimination but like kayla and james had to do the first puzzle twice yet casual and tiffany is shown to get the puzzle right after they got the first puzzle and then they were able to do it in one shot then they go back to their bikes and then we see kayla and james get the rest of their puzzle and then they get the second puzzle right away and it's like how slow is tiffany moving i know she did have a hurt ankle i saw in the second time i watched she had a bag of ice so i think that's another reason why james was like hey what if we put in tiffany and cashel how about we do that like girl has a busted ankle kind of thing and casual is a punk like let's go after him kind of thing so that's why i think that it was a smart move by james to throw out tiffany and casual just to see what the waters would go i mean why not shoot your shot kind of thing i just want to know like how did that whole thing go down because it was the first puzzle having to do twice and how slow was that like tiffany never seemed like she completely stopped at one point and casual was going double time

1:09:41 And i think he was going faster even than kayla and james but what was the pedaling combined for both of them what did it look like i would have much rather had a more straight looking like maybe like numbers going up you know what i mean so you could be like okay you can see like one two three four five and it's going at the same pace the same age like maybe like pumping water and then like there's a ball that goes up and then out and then it will show or something like i would have much rather see something that we could have seen yeah visually the real thing yeah why would they want to like favor james and kayla over tiffany and cashel because tiffany is seen as this big this big fearful character and then the amazing race players are only two people so you take out kayla and james who james is having a great edit at this point i mean you take out one of the smallest tv shows that have only one person left which means leo's gonna go into the next elimination because he's a lone soldier and casual is who is just a casualty at this point he was going to go either this week next week or the week after and i think tiffany is seen as this big old scary figure so that's why i think that they if they were favoring somebody it would be favored towards caleb we don't know i don't know underdog win we're the underdog team

1:11:01 And we got this win but they deserved it they got it yeah i mean we don't we don't know for a fact if they gamed it but if they did game it if you had to make that case you'd say well maybe they want players like tyson or the survivor players to go deeper because they're the bigger players or the bigger characters on the show so far and that's why tiffany should go but i thought tiffany going back would have caused some really good drama because tyson just lied to her you know so that would have happened and there would have been a potential backlash and i just want to say that was true 30 minutes ago like he didn't actually lie in the moment yeah it's only 30 minutes but i also want to say to those that are listening to the lives like for us like i don't know how both chateau and drew feels about it but i'm sure they feel the same as me it's not fun to criticize the show around its integrity because we want to shout for the show we want to have challenge be great you know the challenge wants to be the next america's sport but it can't be without being transparent i mean if you look at sports it's got score lines that are visible to everybody there's rules to this right so they want to if they want to present themselves as the next big crossfit games or the next big you know can you imagine if we go to this worldwide thing where everybody goes against each other and the usa wins by a fluky production thing the backlash that it will be where people be like oh the usa was just they just wanted to favor their team in the final

1:12:21 And they didn't want to give the rest of the world like i mean we've got enough real wars happening in the world we don't need that uncertainty flakiness in the show so i sometimes wish i know the production don't listen to these podcasts but i sometimes wish they did listen to people who love the show and are passionate about the show and want because we want the show to do better that's why we call it out not because we want to break the show down it could have been fair but there's definitely ways like you guys said that we could have made this more transparent and fair and maybe this is the criticism that tyson has had when he talks about certain challenges not being as good you know because maybe there are some flakiness that is yet to happen this reminds me of in acting class i had a teacher once always say like never bring anything into a scene night or an audition that might make people feel unsafe so like you would never even if it's like a plastic knife and you're in a class you never would want to have a plastic knife that you're using in an unsafe way because it doesn't allow the audience to be able to enjoy the performance because they're worried about the safety of the people playing so this is kind of reminding me of like i really want to just sit and enjoy the show and watch these people compete but then if i have like this little like something wavering being like oh like i don't know if that's in integrity i don't know if they're doing that right and i'm having that question it's taking me away from these players

1:13:41 Potentially doing well this also just kind of happened on big brother now that somebody did her foot touch or did it not touch like the ground like this should she pulled from the game and like now we're just thinking about the fact of whether or not her foot touched or not people are slowing it down the confetti move it's called confetti gate like did she deserve to you know like well you know [Laughter] it's just like it's this confetti gate is happening and we i want to see integrity of the show and peop and people coming in and saying like whether or not things are happening are truthful i want to believe the show i never want to question it so that i can just enjoy the show instead of always questioning the integrity so well i think that it doesn't help that the show started out with this algorithm splitting up random pairs and then cashier and cinco are like the first pair to be like oh who would have thought that's so quirky all right you two fight kind of thing like that's where we're like and then also justine and tyson right yeah so i think it's like the ears perk up a little bit and you're like in that alert stance and then all of a sudden something else comes up and you're like all right now i'm gonna question this a little bit kind of thing right i don't wanna question everything i wanna just i don't wanna destroy the show yeah it's all fun we want the show to continue to be on the egg you know we want people to love the show but this does not

1:15:01 Help also just a quick shout out to justine because you know she could have gone the opposite direction she could have been you know my friend's gone i'm gonna you know take revenge and just not work with but she ended up pulling herself back in and we talked a lot about tyson you know her being good at putting those words together i think she contributed in her own way in that win as well and just wanted to give her a shout out as well as someone who also won this specific daily but let's get into the points drew i want to get into you know where we're sitting currently really that leaves me are you in there are you the let's just say justine is my queen and she is my leading scorer with 16 points danny is my second leading scorer with 11 points and guess who's my third high scorer that's right steli who left last episode she had eight points everybody else has two six and six i have a total of 56 points i went up 22 points from last week so i'm in third place chris is in second place getting 30 points from last week he has a total of 70 points with his leading scorers being kayla with 13 kyland with 12 and then his third leading scorer is alyssa with eight and sitting in the top spot we have

1:16:21 Team chantelle who had from episode one three points less than what i have right now but she went up even more with 36 points of her own with tyson leading all scorers with 24 total points angela with 12 points she only got one confessional this episode and then kashay got up there with 11 points and even with aza not having a single confessional or doing anything of significance in this episode she is tied as your third leading scorer with 11 points all from the first episode so you have 89 points in first place okay i'm happy with that very early yeah and i think i think when you look at the team even when i like your team chantal when we were looking at this episode i'm singing to myself wow angela tyson desi and cinco they still loom large as very physical presence this season you know there's a lot of focus on a lot of those players at this stage and a lot of my players like i feel good about my chances of getting deep but they're not necessarily the biggest characters and it's very unlike me not to pick big characters so i don't know like it's i'm a little bit fearful here but at least it must have been because you were like you know when drew opened up the big brother gates you needed to go and match him in there and like you should have stuck to your like keeping

1:17:42 Your survivor strategy or maybe i don't know i didn't what one player i did forget one player and that's james he has a total of 15 points making him the third overall leading scorer behind tyson and justine he has 15 points yeah wow good job me sorry we didn't draft you idiot me yeah you picked david ahead of jazz let that sink in he's all over the trailer just wait it's like 15 confessionals one episode i know he's leaving so that's how it's gonna all go down at least he'll get some points before he goes yeah maybe just wait he goes and he doesn't even get a single confessional the episode that he does leave he just like leaves he just walks out because that's what happened during his what is it his pairing up tj was like dom and shannon and then dom gets in there he's like i like shannon is a really good girl and then you have cinco cashe and cashie's like i don't know if i can work with cinco and then it's like karen david all right everybody see you later bye check it out check it next episode is like all right cool i'm glad whatever all right well baby eyes still co-captain go team chris yeah i think that's

1:19:02 Pretty much all of it that we could have possibly gotten into for this episode unless there is anything else that you guys really wanted to talk about that happened here i just want to throw in we didn't speak about the deliberation where it was the winning team of tyson and justine talking immediately with kayla and james and i really thought it was a great for james to throw in that other option of tiffany and castle and then also recognizing that it might be like not a good thing for justine because it would be taking away from their love island numbers but putting that up there as an option i thought that was really smart i wouldn't be surprised if he knew that the rest of the house would be on board with that person like that duo being put up and so i thought that was also really smart of him to even throw out that suggestion and then make sure that it was okay with justine to even think of that as an option so i thought that was really smart but i also wanted to ask you guys whether or not you think that it was a good move for justine to lose one of her numbers in that hit in that way or was it really a number for her that's kind of what i was sort of alluding to earlier like how close was he really to the love island crew and i think drew was like furiously shaking his head no but i don't think drew is an objective

1:20:22 Source when it comes to this person because he doesn't really you are going to debate him next time of how casual is should be the feast of the challenge geez i need to go i need to like torture myself and go watch love island bring casuals terrible though yeah like how deep does he go into this thing would i have to commit to like a full season i believe yeah there's not as many episodes as there are now i don't was he was he might have been a bombshell was he in the beginning i can't remember right now no bombshell he was there from the beginning kyra was a bombshell i'm a bit nervous just watch it until you know how bad it is it's terrible it's it rained all the time they were in fiji somebody in the comments said that there was a division between love island men and women because a lot of the men were exes to the women that were on the side and so all the women kind of like oh casual cheated on you well we have your back or i guess with cachet and cinco if cinco cheated on cachet all the women were like we have your back so it sounded like from casual in the episode and then somebody who was who brought it up that i think won the exit interviews with casual that there was just no cohesion on the love island side

1:21:42 Between them the men and the women or just with casual because he is from season one and the only other person from season one was kira and it doesn't seem like they were in good terms so i do think that it wasn't much of it wasn't much of a worry to justine i don't even think that love island was really coming in super tight with each other but now it's like three people are gone and you were one of the top teams with the most numbers so it's not looking good it seems like the most cohesive group is survivor and if we learned anything from what aza said with desi and chan the biggest group or the tightest group will go farther with each other so it sounds like survivor is going to go much farther with each other since they are the tightest if why they left in the edit is a foreshadow which why not yeah i was going to say like if we do have future debates it's going to be i think even more lit compared to the if anything we did previously because we've had a couple of test runs at this thing now you know we can go a bit wider what we're doing we've been podcasting together can you believe it guys for probably about a year now that we've been talking about the challenge of getting close to a year so you know the longer we do this we kind of know who people like who they don't like where we can push each other's buttons a little bit when we get into one of these debates in the future so

1:23:02 It could be a lot of fun so who knows if we ever get a little bit of down period because i feel like there is no like november maybe i feel like next year next year march or something when potentially the challenge argentina has already shown you know because there's going to be all those challenge seasons coming up as well i'm actually excited for them i would i kind of at this point like i just want to focus and watch like all these different challenge shows so i'd be down if it was they were all happening in the summer and like lava and all this stuff for like not now because yeah i would love to just be covering the different iterations of the challenge right now yeah it would be great i also want to ask this before we sort of close out here we've got kayla's dad dean platt who listens to the podcast as well he's commented before on one of the previous ones i think it was the one where we did the usa cast assessment and draft so dean if you're listening to this let us know in the comments how nervous were you when kayla had to go and fight for her life here in the game or were you confident that she you know would pull it through there at the end obviously that superior knowledge and memory that she has and the story that she told really got them through that specific bit and i did like them playing up to the audience and the crowd you know shouting them on and showboating a little bit as well you know yeah like they're at a peloton class and just like i loved it i thought that they were

1:24:23 A lot of fun and it actually reminded me of like some sort of amazing race challenge like you could see them having to do a peloton at sponsored challenge on the amazing race where they have a big audience and like they had to i don't know ride a bike and do exactly what they did but on the amazing race so i think it was up in there up their alley as well yeah all right well guys it's been a lot of fun chantelle what's happening on your channel you mentioned you're really busy now what can you afford to talk about as you get busier and busier with life okay so pretty much every day 6 15 eastern love island uk when love island u.s starts on tuesday every day except for tuesday we'll go live after the episode tuesday we'll go live at 10 as at 11 instead of 10. on tuesdays we'll be doing the amazing race canada right after the episode and at 7 p.m doing the bachelorettes and then thursdays at noon doing real housewives of beverly hills and then friday with you guys and saturday at 5 p.m eastern the challenge usa with sarah and wednesday after the episode the challenge usa with matt and michelle okay i think that's yes i think that's it

1:25:43 Like if i miss drew oh and big brother yeah the biggest one of all of them at the moment the biggest fun i will be i will be going i'll be on the round table for promising on tuesday so if you want to hear how i rank these players this week i will be doing the roundtable with them i had to oh i forgot to reconfigure things on tuesday for that forgot so yes that will be 8 pm on tuesday doing the round table and then usa starts on july 19th i think yeah that's tuesday you know well if you want to if you want to hear more from chantal go subscribe to reality realness you can see that they're up on the screen with three s's drew with the angel cake entertainment channel here on youtube as well what's coming up on your channel tomorrow for patreon exclusive tiny table talk live talking about a whole bunch of stuff and me complaining about a lot of stuff probably i got a lot of opinions then sunday is endurance season five wild season these kids are so cutthroat and then you have a clip on monday tuesday i'm going to try to get out a video it's either tuesday or friday i'm looking to get out of video and then review and recap on thursday for the challenge usa and we're finishing up the challenge season 3 the challenge 2000 on my patreon

1:27:04 We're coming up to the end and wednesdays i drop new episodes on that and then in august the first wednesday in august i'll be starting this season four the extreme challenge so that's gonna be exciting yeah exciting stuff guys check out angel cake entertainment channel here on youtube on the nullified tech channel also here on youtube as you can see on your screen we will be back talking about the challenge usa next week friday evening same time 8 p.m eastern standard time we've also got survivors of africa return of the outcasts starting so if any of you are going to be watching those international seasons there's going to be four episodes a week i'm going to be joined by zoe who you may know from chantal's channel she's watched some live episodes with her before i believe the challenge all stars they watch together she will be one of my co-hosts as well as richard also both from south africa really exciting to have two south africans podcasting about a south african show taking place in south africa so we get a really good feel for how the audience and people are responding to the show on the ground also on my channel i've done some recent content some short videos on the upcoming season for australian survivor heroes versus villains so there's an update on who's going to play who's coming back and i had a new brand new podcasting person

1:28:24 Join me also from new zealand i found another auckland survivor fan it was crazy yeah i was like i thought i was the only one and we got on and we spoke you wouldn't believe it chantelle for nearly two hours about australian survivor in the upcoming heroes versus villain season i may even have hinted a few things about the challenge australia in there but you know i can't say anything too specific but those who know will know and will be able to pick it up and may be able to decipher who we may see in the future on the challenge australia from australian survivor and i will leave you guys with that it's been great having this live crowd you guys have been awesome really active again we love having you guys here when we do this and we'll catch you guys next time bye