THE CHALLENGE USA: EPISODE 3 RECAP

0:08 So [Music] so [Music] [Music] so [Music] [Music] welcome back to the nullify take channel and also reality realness with 3s is here on youtube where we've got the tnt takes for you on the challenge usa episode 3.

1:06 I'm joined as ever by chantal and drew my two co-hosts here chantal andrew it's been a while it's been a whole week since we last spoke but we're back to talk about the challenge usa how sphinx burn on your engine tell things have been great it seems like it's been longer since we've talked and it still seems wow that we're only on episode three but i have to say out of all the shows that i'm watching right now i think that the challenge usa is my favorite and i know that i was kicking and screaming when this concept came out and i thought that mtv like was you know the little brother that had like the older brother stealing its good idea and making it worse but i have to say i'm really enjoying it i at this point i don't mind who ends up winning because i think that their path getting to the end will be entertaining no matter what so thumbs up on this show thumbs up on this cast thumbs up on this episode thumbs up all around well i'm so excited to hear that because i think i was the highest on it coming in i was worried because of early rumors coming out but i also think there was a lot of people who probably would have been happy if this one wasn't a success because there is definitely i feel like in the challenge fandom tribalism a little bit like we want to protect what we have and obviously you've got to respect what has come before and what if you know

2:26 Created the opportunity for the challenge usa to exist in the first place and there's no disrespect to that but i always feel like more is better if they're doing it well and i do feel like they've chosen a really good first cast here they're delivering on all fronts i agree with you i am really enjoying the challenge usa at this stage but drew how are you feeling you're someone that also was you were a little bit low i guess on it coming into it i know it's still early days with three episodes in 30 of the season so far but you know are you feeling more okay with it now than what you did in the beginning is it delivering for you where are you sitting on the challenge usa at the moment i'm really interested to know your take i'm actually really liking this season i think it's going better than i expected but then again i had like low expectations coming into it but i actually am enjoying the season i do think that they need to start picking up a little bit on the daily challenges they're not catching my fancy enough i think at this point and if we keep on going this like hangman route then i'm not gonna be super thrilled the next like 13 episodes but i'm looking forward to trivia next week i'm super excited for that how they do it with two people together and i'm actually having a really good time i'm loving that we actually have some challenge content and more challenge to watch in between

3:46 What we got for with all-stars and then what we're gonna get with the challenge 38 which i'm hoping is gonna be early september that we're gonna hear or sooner than later like in august that we're gonna hear it kind of like coming out so yeah i'm enjoying it i'm enjoying it there's some pros and cons i'm not like chantelle who's like anybody could win and i'd be happy i got some people i got a handful people would you hate to win who would you hate to win at this point i mean obviously he's not winning though if david won he wins so can you go on a rant about david he's considering he's only had one confessional he's putting all of his eggs in the david basket right now that's his man that's the guy's got to win it for him give us your rent are we going to get myself angry already talking about david i didn't want to think it shouldn't even be mentioned he shouldn't even be picked i'm so frustrated adam everybody i think i don't think there's a person that has a worse start to a challenge season than david who has had one confessional in three episodes three episodes and everybody should have had a confessional at least one confessional in episode one it was an hour and a half long over an hour of screen time david got nothing what did this man do he's getting the d edit at this point did he say something did he do something

5:07 What is happening i'm trying to remember his partner i think it was shannon who was his partner this round and shannon spoke about david so he didn't get his own confessional she said i'm worried for myself and david because i'm from love island and he doesn't have any social game he doesn't have any connection so not a really positive thing like producer game because like i would assume that you know each there's many producers for multiple cast members and like they you know have their confessionals and they kind of build their storylines is what i'm assuming that like goes along on behind the scenes and so maybe his producer is like yeah we don't really vibe like i go or like maybe this producer quit like i don't know it just it's very bizarre that he doesn't have somebody that is like helping him push a storyline or like leaving him giving him leading questions in the diary room so or in his confessional so that he does get some content like how is he not involved in any storyline whatsoever or have an opinion about it yeah i'm gonna say hello to everybody in the live chat in a second here richard who is my co-host for survivors of africa is a new fan of the challenge and i actually spoke to him a little bit about it as the first time he's watching it but he's now got an interest more in the challenge so he's the exact type of people that they're targeting with the show right now and one of the things that stood

6:27 Out for me and drew i'm really interested to know this from urine because you mentioned that in the beginning you saw a little bit of a drop in viewership potentially an interest on the challenge usa content that you were producing where i've definitely seen on this channel an increase on people watching our recaps even just on the challenge usa compared to the challenge all-stars at this stage have you seen that trend change because there was some statistics that came out this week that showed that the show has almost got three times the viewership ratings per episode right now compared to what the mtv show is getting and i know it's hard to compare mtv versus you know a channel such as cbs which is such a mainstay channel for people and obviously there's a built-in audience with all these different shows that are coming to it but is that translated to some of your viewership as well have you seen it increase or is it still pretty stagnant at this stage i've seen that like the challenge usa is doing well viewer wise like when i went back and looked at some of the statistics they have grown as we gotten closer and closer to the premiere and then when the premiere actually happened that first episode but again all first episodes do really well because people are interested people want to hear what people have to say about it and then it kind of like goes up and down and fluctuates i've noticed that through the mtv the all-stars and also the challenge usa so my episode two review

7:47 And recap didn't do like astronomically well as the episode one but that's bound to happen all the time and mtv is the same way when people go up and down up and down maybe they miss a week so they wait to watch your stuff like later on in the week so it's i have to say that they're better than all-star numbers but still not as high as say the mtv benchmark that i've gotten for a lot of my review and recaps and tiny table talks even yeah i agree i do notice that definitely performing a lot better for the challenge usa over all stars all-stars always performed it didn't perform as well as the regular main show it never did so the biggest question would be like how does it perform compared to 38 because 38 always did really well or like just like the main show just because it's on mtv paramount plus is a little bit more challenging to get to cbs is very accessible so it will be interesting to see if cbs the challenge you know performs better than the mtvs that would be yes i'm definitely interested in those numbers when we get to the end of the season to see how it did but i've got a feeling it's doing well like i said it's pulling it from a lot of different shows but let's say hello here to everybody in the live that are so loyal they're here every week we're so happy to have you guys here

9:07 And to chat some challenge with you we've got dolores in the chat we've got lovable nikki here with a stiff neck and someone you know and all so i don't know what happened there lovable nikki i hope you feel better pretty soon we've got richard in the chat here we've got carly's red cj christian gal who's a long time listener and survivor fan who've gotten into the challenge as well little smurfy danita gibbs baby icj and so many more people here 49 people watching live right now welcome to everybody even if you haven't said anything if you're just sitting in the background enjoying seeing drew loser's mind before we even get into the episode he's already had one of his first rants on david but let's get an actual episode guys so we obviously have the algorithm it's going to do random teams again like we both know that probably maybe production is slightly involved in getting some of these slightly maybe more than slightly involved they again cj tj again you know saying that this is the most heart he's seen in the cast in a long time you know he's really loving this cast still on that really happy buzz with meeting new people on the show and i feel like even for her maybe there is a little bit of excitement just because he does get to mingle and go into different crowds we spoke about it a little bit last week he gets to

10:27 Broaden his own horizons in regards to his own visibility as a host and maybe strengthen that but he's really leaning into this theme at the moment and i have to admit even though it can be cringy seeing him this happy all the time i am happy for tj i am happy that he's enjoying it out there we want to see a happy tj on the show well i have to say i'm a little bit worried for his longevity for the fact that i was watching janelle and mcrae they have their own little recap about big brother and janelle had originally had been asked to be on that season but she was dealing with a little bit of long covets so she wasn't able to medically be able to show up and play and she was kind of upset she's like oh man i wish they had this when i was 25 i'd just like go on to the challenge usa and win and win the money like i was like i love that confidence in chanel because she probably would have done that and it would have been awesome to see but she wasn't really a fan of the challenge in general is what she was saying she did watch real world she did watch road rules but she never really watched the challenge she doesn't really vibe with tj as a host and so i'm curious because people they're not used to him they don't know him is his style that we haven't been watching him from for 20 years growing up with him that he might not be translating as being captivating as some of these people are hoping for so i'm curious as to other people because obviously this is just their perspective but other

11:47 New fans like how do they feel for him as a host compared to some of the other cbs hosts that we know better yeah be interesting to know from people like richard and others christian gal who's new to the show and if i've missed you and you're new and i don't know about it let us know in the comments do you guys like tj as a host how do you feel about tj obviously this is your first experience with him being a host on the show i've always really enjoyed tj personally but i think also that comes with having seen his growth on the show and how he's evolved as a host there is something different about him this season i will say is i don't know he's being too nice right drew i mean we've followed him for a long time something is he's sucking up to the contestants i feel like a little bit 100 from the what the talk is in my discord from my patreon we've talked about it a couple of times where people have mentioned like tj seems different this season or he was kind of weird this past week's episode kind of thing so he is doing a different vibe it almost is like a it's almost like a weird like in between all stars and just joking around vibes because we've talked about how he seems happier on all stars but this is a little bit different and a little bit quirkier than what we've seen him even on all stars where he's just laughing and joking around a lot so i don't know what changed maybe he was because he doesn't

13:08 Know anybody like he knows at least half the cast on any season that he's doing so yeah maybe i mean it's definitely different i don't know if he got notes from some of the producers and been like hey this is going to be cable man you got to start picking it up you got to be a little bit happier watch some jeff props maybe and talk about how proud you are every single episode and how you'll get a talk show i swear yeah it is a little bit weird in my opinion but i mean it's tj so i'm happy to see him on there because he's just blue line in my opinion if tj wasn't there this wouldn't feel like a legit challenge to me like i it needs that through line it needs something if we don't have the contestants from mtv i would want the host from mtv to be on here tj like i mean we heard some people hear sam saying earlier tj is like the jeff probs that is allowed to sway on the show him swear we haven't but i feel like i feel like he's a little bit i think what they mean by that i think what sam means by that is that he's a little bit more loosey-goosey in regards to how he hosts right he's a little bit more he doesn't follow the script necessarily like jeff probst would but i actually quite like that authentic way that he hosts the show a lot of the times in the past and i agree with you guys like if tj wasn't there if he wasn't hosting the show they can't call it a challenge i don't think yeah he like you can't remove tj from the challenge just like you can't and a lot of

14:28 Fans might remove jeff from survivor even though i think jeff is trying to really get fans to not like him as much in recent seasons there was a time where if you said let's remove jeff from survivor people would have not accepted it but i think maybe i still don't accept it even though i think he's ruining the show like i still think that he should be on it's synonymous like it is he's part of the experience so yeah i agree with tj being mean to being there if they're going to call it the challenge for sure yeah i agree well let's get into some of the early match-ups that are created here now it was really fun you know my man dom he had absolutely zero he's still your man after this i've got dom i've got him he did some stuff we'll talk about it i definitely think he might say he's like we are ending this podcast early dude you want to start it on your channel survivor until i die that's all i'm going to say in regards to the players that i support but that this doesn't mean i can't criticize some of the things he did this episode and i will criticize that but just one bad episode is not gonna make me forget how good he was the first time bad sweets i'd say so dom and cash they're teamed up together here they're like all in water it's going to be a theme that's going to go out throughout this whole

15:48 Episode how they see the game how they do things the one thing i did agree with dom on was really funny was in the beginning of the episode where cash and sarah had soft sarah this is the social game and why she is so good at the social game like we saw it winners at war she is there she entertains cash's conversation about cinco and the relationship and how they broke up and she fakes caring about it maybe she does i don't think sarah does but she's there she's playing the social game and then it cuts over to dom who says we're not here for this romantic game we're here for strategy we're going to play a strategic game and i've got to be honest i have to say this you guys didn't hear this in the live last week but myself drew and chantal talked for about an extra hour sometimes we do get into rants afterwards we should actually put some of that stuff up on lives but we had a bit of a chat and drew and should tell tried to sell me so hard on watching love island and some of the dating shows and i was just like hey can't care less about the dating shows it's not my vibe so i did see myself in dom a little bit here when he said we're not here for that but it was a funny moment within the show just showed how different they are in the show the challenge is about messi right they want people to hook up and then they want to make it awkward and put them together on the challenge like that's always been part of the challenge we have seasons

17:08 Called x's for a reason we have rival seasons for a reason so the fact that dom doesn't want this at all because like he's better than that he's only here for the competition and the strategy fine that's an element absolutely but the messiness is also an element of the challenge he has to take a look at what game he's playing as opposed to criticizing people that are contestants on it i get that's why they did the love island people and why they brought them in because there is a history of that messiness but i don't think the drama is how boring would these episodes have been if they weren't on there for sure for sure listen the drama is nice but i can see myself and dom it's like yes i am exactly that same person i would want to be out there gaming i would want to be playing the physical game that's the stuff that i enjoy and obviously fans enjoy different parts of the show i'm not saying that it's that i'm above it i don't know if dom thinks he's above it maybe he does okay but he just wanted to keep his eye on the price which there is still half a million dollars at stake in this game and you're going to worry about your ex put that aside worry about your ex afterwards get the 250 000 in the bank account but we're creating stories here right this is still yeah but is that is that the con yeah i get it from a production if we take ourselves out of it right as a producer or casting person that is what we want but as an individual playing the game would you chantel can you tell me if you were to play this game you would

18:28 Rather get involved in the messiness or would you go to i would use the messiness to my advantage and i'd be like okay that's a big like said about this and like let me use this to my advantage let me be on their side let me get in their numbers let me be their friend i would not go against it at all i would definitely be feeding into it and using it and like aiming it in the direction that i'd want to absolutely i wouldn't be repelling it at all but like what just popped into my head was like on the duel with ct and diem like would you be like curmudgeony dom in the corner being like oh she took off her wig she should be her head should be in the game like you know it's just like all this stuff when that was so beautiful these moments when she kissed her without her wig on like it was so great and tom doesn't know this i bet you dom's never watched the challenge shown that he's gonna know this but i'm just saying like if there was a dumb person on that season seeing what was going on between them being like they shouldn't be focusing on the game war rather than their love story it's like but that's what happens when people are brought together in a social experiment sometimes you have relationships that build that are not just game related and so i enjoy relationships and how they grow and how they build and sometimes they break apart and that is also interesting dynamic as well so i think just being currently you're on the wrong show

19:48 You go on ninja warriors where you don't really have to worry about having the other elements that i think make the challenge pretty interesting or watch sequester if you just want strategy i didn't say that i didn't like seeing that element i like the fact that we've got you think you could be like the dom in the situation if i was the player but me the player and me the viewer of the show are two different things right if i'm a player i don't want to get involved in that messiness but i do agree with you have to use it to your you have to use it to your advantage like i believe sarah is doing she's playing a good game and she's sitting there she's taking it on board she's pretending to be friends i bet you sarah couldn't care less sarah's probably also a married woman she's past that part of her life but she's at least trying to blend in drew what was your take i know myself and chantel have gone back and forth quite a bit here on this what did you think of the whole i know you're gonna go hard on dom for a lot of different reasons and i'm not just defending dom throughout the episode no he did some stuff that is questionable and also cash had some really good inputs that he just didn't listen to and we'll definitely talk about that yeah a lot of great points were made between you two mostly on chan inside chantel's side definitely not your side chris but all right let's kick him out of the show i just want to throw this out there danita gibbs says exactly what i wanted to say and she says there's a lot of down time in the house

21:08 To can't talk game 24 7. need some drama to balance everything out and i think somebody else said he wasn't she wasn't even talking to him so it's like why can't she have some peace and quiet and talk to sarah who she was like connecting with i wonder if sarah came over and asked her about the whole situation how are you feeling since it just was recent and everything was happening and everything and dom's over there eavesdropping it's like dude take a hike go talk to somebody else somebody else's conversation why are you hubbing around come on man go you get your head in the game don't worry about me you do you do you got to cover a pipe later which yeah you can't even do so let's just yeah i will say i will say one thing hippy check here brings up i don't remember don being a party pooper on survivor he was also a bit younger on survivor he was all dead as well but it's now it's even older and that's the problem you have when you bring all the people that are in relationships that are kind of there for different reasons i guess you're always going to get that element of it but one thing i did see throughout this episode and i know we're jumping forward a little bit here but we might as well while we're talking about the dom and cash partnership is that we saw dom he was a mafioso in his original season it was his way of the highway he only saw wendell as an equal really in that relationship and they would bounce ideas off each other but i do think one thing that made me very aware of i think there's some

22:28 Limitations in dom's game that i didn't see the first time he played survivor and this is where i will be critical where he does believe because he's a construction worker in life and he's a supervisor right that people there are just going to fall in line like they're his employees that's not going to happen everybody there is to play a game everybody's got experience of being on a reality show before they're all going to want to have an input or be heard and i didn't like the fact that he did not listen to cash at certain points now cash's argument that you know just because they're good looking and they're into the relationship stuff people are underestimating her and they're not giving her that value as someone that can actually be a valuable part of the duo that's not a good thing and i think that i don't know why he's social tempered with her like i feel like he gelled with people a little bit better in that season from what we saw but then again now i'm wondering if he does play the game again will he be another boston rob like in winners of war with boston rob just tried to bulldoze through people would dom do that same thing because i think that would lead to an early exit if he was ever to return in any case i don't think he'll ever return because i don't think that i do think that he was trying to get himself kicked off this season like i don't think he was trying to win i think that what someone pointed out that he's had love island partners for the last all three match-ups so far and so maybe just being involved in that and not feeling like he had any control not being with anybody

23:49 In survivor where he could be strategizing it's right basically it was just like avoiding elimination because he's with like a love island person so maybe just the way that his game started out allowed him to be just annoyed automatically with anybody love island and cash was his next new partner so she's just kind of getting the brunt of the build-up of just being with love island people so that's kind of why i'm thinking that he must be mad at her or he has like a crush on her and you know she's young you should never go for him and he's married and you know like that's my only other thought is that he's like kind of interested in her in some sort of way because you know even at the daily i'm sure we're going to talk more about it but she's running she's a fit woman like she works out all the time she works out with cinco when they were together like she is very fit she's also a dancer and so the fact that she's running quickly and he's like why is she betting so fast like she's gonna burn out and get tired like maybe she won't but like she might know her base that she could do this pace for an hour or two and so it just seems at that point he was looking for any reason to just kind of [ __ ] on her and that was just like the beginning of me not enjoying dom this episode and i'm not sure if he's gonna be able to redeem himself for me as a favorite player of mine definitely won't be picking him on my draft i don't think anytime soon

25:09 Yeah i mean it's dom i want to like one episode but yeah i wanted to acknowledge jameson the live here has reached out and wants to connect and maybe jump on and do something with us in the live definitely james we'd love to have you on and talk to you know we're so we're so sorry to see you go this episode i was really gutted because to be honest with you and i'm not just saying it because james is in the live here and we'll definitely reach out and james i'll find a way to get in touch with you obviously it's easier to follow you i would be a mutual connection of kayla's so if you look at that's another way on instagram where we can connect but oh my god and i'm friends with sarah and i podcast with sarah all the time and so sarah and him are good friends too so there we go so we'll definitely make it happen and one of the things that really stood out for me and i'm not just saying it because james is in the live here is that throughout this episode it was interesting because obviously they've just won him and kayla just won an elimination they come back there's that early conversation between the amazing race players about staying strong right and they're the outliner alliance the minority alliance within the game but they have to stay strong and then james is the first one to break rank and try and work other angles which i think leo personally i love leo as well but i think he was naive coming into this game when numbers is the name of the game you need numbers to stay in the game to think that james wasn't going to try and play all angles i thought he was doing strategically

26:30 Like james impressed me and i'm not saying it because he's in the light impressed me a lot through the first couple of episodes really in a way where i'm like i want to see more of james on big brother i want to see maybe the survivor like clearly he's got the strategical game he does know how to move where the numbers are and dare i say he just got unlucky with a few of these partners and things that just didn't work like for instance tasha falling off very early on in this daily challenge it put him in a bad spot he was playing from the bottom the whole game well actually i'm curious that maybe james can help us understand because it seemed like with the challenge in the daily when he was putting the weight on and she's like okay do it slowly let me know when you're doing it and it seems as though he was like easing it in and then he kind of it looked as though he just let go a little bit like it wasn't at the bottom of its heaviness or its weightedness and so i'm wondering if that's what happened because some people were just like oh she just kind of tipped over like i just i couldn't really fully understand how that happened because you were being so careful with that and then it just all of a sudden it just kind of tipped so i was curious if he has i feel like i feel like she underestimated when you looked at the placement of the pole that had everything connected on it and it must have been awkward having one weighted sandbag at a time it throws you off your balance quite a bit when survivor for instance you see them add both at the same time and it just gets heavier and heavier

27:50 I feel like it's just the placement off that pole on her back was off and she underestimated how much that would throw off but also drew you know tasha coming into the season she's such a fierce warrior she's someone who did extremely well in survivor and individual challenges and it looked like she was disappointed in her own effort and i think let's be honest you know love tasha or haida she did underperform she didn't really reach those heights that she did in survivor would you say it was a little bit of a let down seeing her this season not really living up to those expectations that we as fans maybe have of someone like tasha coming into the season i think it is i mean i picked her first overall on my pick second overall actually but first on my team and knowing where she came from in survivor is one of those things where she came in and i was thinking that she was gonna get hit with a whole bunch of confessionals we were gonna see her so much on the screen that she could possibly be able to make it far into the season but it just did not happen and i do think that was exactly what happened with her sandbag where it was almost like james is like doing it and then all of a sudden he kind of just like let it go and the sudden jolt kind of took the bar away from her but you can just tell like one of the my favorite parts about

29:10 This episode was when they were done she already jumped off the beam she was on the mat and then james just goes what happened and you can just tell like she was like we're done like that's what happened get out of my food like i gotta stop here and i'm gonna just sit here and we gotta wait till somebody wins this to move on i think there was also a flaw in the daily for that reason like as soon as somebody's bar fell like that means that nobody if you're not in first place or you're not close to fighting for first place it doesn't matter anymore and so i think that maybe they should have been able to you know maybe lose a letter or something like that but they can still reset and continue because you know nobody had to really fight that hard if they weren't angela and kyland or whoever was second i was a kick kira and kira and somebody was second anyways like it wasn't those people that were really close to winning they didn't really have to perform and do that well once somebody fell which was james and tasha here so i think that was a bit of a flaw in the enjoyment or in the competition level of the daily yeah now i agree 100 let's backtrack it a little bit just before this daily there was a bit of strategizing that happened before the daily took place we saw that tyson and

30:30 Angela they're going to continue to talk to each other they're going to continue to work together tyson is looking at it as a really mutually beneficial relationship because he's got the survivor crew angela's got the big brother crew now i don't know how high up in that hierarchy angela really is she's high up now because she's winning she's got powers right yes she's one of the things so she's important now but how high up is she really i don't know but they're going to continue to work together they're strategizing and their strategy for the season is let's get rid of the weak players so that we don't potentially get a booby trap in our team where we've got someone that we need to carry normally i would be against the strategy to keep strong players in the game because you want the easiest people possible to go up against in a finale but in a season where things are so fluid i almost feel like this is the right strategy at this stage take out some weak people so you don't potentially get them in the next round yeah i definitely agree with you that usually you're just like get out the strong people if you have the shot and so that you won't have to run against them in the final but because the pairs are going to be switching up it's going to be random and you're not going to know if you're going to be with somebody that's going to help you win i definitely would want to get out somebody that i don't want to work with just to get me to the final and i do feel that tyson and angela are very confident on their abilities that they could beat

31:50 Anybody in a final so i don't even think that they're worried about anybody getting to the final if they keep the stronger people in there until then so yeah they're so confident that and i'm confident in them i was like oh my god are they both on my team i'm sorry that's great i will say that on the opposite playing devil's advocate to targeting and trying to get out stronger players raises your stock so if there are a ton of weak players left in the game and then it's you your chances of winning even with weak players against other weak players goes up so yes i understand where they're like we want to be to get like we want to be with all the strong people and really like you were saying chantel tyson is leaps and bounds way better than everybody else there in terms of like endurance even strength a little bit swimming i mean he really went all out for training for this challenge i think he got the like the invitation letter and he went straight to the gym he was throwing shade at 12 miles bike rides because that's not even a warm-up amazing moment but that's what i think that's just the devil's advocate of playing like if we go after the strong players and kind of take them out like what they did with tiffany and he was worried about casual i mean if that's the if that's the way you're gonna go about it then your stock rises and then

33:11 Nobody can really take you out if you keep winning or if somebody's like i want to work with him in the final and they don't have like six other options where they're like i would rather go with cinco dani enzo i can't even name any other stronger players that have cinco again definitely not dom kylan who just won i mean you now you're the number one guy you're the number one person if it is a partnership that people are looking at like oh i want to keep him and i hope i can partner up with him but if you have six really strong guys at the end and you have to go into an elimination now you're up against one strong guy up against another strong guy and possibly a hull brawl or xavier and that's no that's no bueno instead of j tyson maybe wanting to go up against someone like james or leo or one of the smaller guys that he would want to go against but they're classifying them as quote unquote weaker players i think they're just trying to ensure that they have better odds in winning a daily and so that they won't have to be in contention for going down into the elimination and i funny enough i think tyson is seeing the angela tyson alliance as equal like that's one of the things here he is actually he sees that angela

34:31 Will see through like if he does go after physical guys angela be like okay well now we've got to go after physical woman as well like i don't think angela is going to be one of those people that are going to sit back and say no we'll just do it all your way i think that they would clash a little bit about that so it is about what is mutually beneficial to both of those two players who between them have won they've won everything so far so they've had all the power in this game we don't know what this challenge house is going to look like next week if tyson and angela actually don't have the power because that has not happened as of yet which is impressive in itself with three weeks and two people have consistently been in that power position so it's exciting to see what potential variation could come up next week and who could potentially be involved because we know next week is going to be an absolute crapshoot because it's going to be trivia it's true it's true i have a question though before we talk about the potentials of trivia what do you think the significance of shan noticing tyson and angela talking and like oh like i could see you guys talking like you know i know what you guys are doing over there you think you're running the game and nothing this episode really came of that so what do you think that was kind of trickling in some bread comes for crumbs for i mean do you want me to take it or do you want to go i have a theory but if you want to go you can go

35:51 Okay i'll go first but then you give us your theory as well on this because i'm sure we both have our opinions sean for me it's an interesting arc that we're seeing with her because she's slowly but surely starting to get more air time like this episode wasn't just this moment was also about the shantham and her relationship i'm not that strategic not that strategic at all i don't even think about this and these guys hardly ever talk to me in the meantime she does want to work with survivor i think sean is coming in with a much bigger reputation into this game than what i even saw her coming into like because i've always thought sean was a capable player but i thought she overplayed her hand too early in survivor but her reputation of having her own shantham following into this game about blindsiding people and singing the song i think people are putting two and two together and they know that she's very capable and dangerous so her noticing tyson could set up the tyson versus shan battle at some stage with tyson targeting shan because shan is going to be one of those weaker players physically not mentally not strategically but physically i don't think she's one of the strongest players in this game so i do think that long term unless tyson gets taken out which i just don't see i don't see a world like i see tyson running this game i'm sorry to say it he's just i feel like he's leaps and bounds ahead of these people he's played four times five times now if you count this challenge season

37:12 Into it i think that he's going to outplay sean and i've got a feeling she's being a little bit too passive because she's like i'm noting it but i'm not going to act on it and to me when you note these things in a game such as this with a player of the capability of tyson you make a move against them earlier rather than later but then there is the fear if i turn my back on survivor do i have a home in this house do i have a place where i can go where people will actually have my back so she's between a rock and a hard place and i think her previous aura about her and her legacy within survivor is following her into the game and it's going to get used against her that's how i see it at the moment drew thoughts so shan is one of the players that are getting talked about and getting air time despite not going into an elimination not really being a target not winning anything i mean we heard her in the first episode with danny talking about how shan kind of was a big mastermind and kiki told him to stay away from her or be kinky and said more airtime than david yes we all know we all know should you put like a new like a little name for kiki on our on our i really wish that i had bonus points for every time kiki gets mentioned because i would at least have some points and some be could be in this running of this fantasy draft anyways and then in episode

38:32 Two there were remarks from her own survivor alliance talking about how if you need some need some information just come to the shannon news desk and then we get to this one this episode and we have derek and shan talking and derek is like i'm not buying anything that shan is trying to sell me here trying to say that oh survivor's strong but i'm not really into survivor i'm not really that strategic i'm just trying to have a good time meet up with some friends and try to push through and then even in this episode she's like i want to make new friends outside of survivor i want to i want to talk to other people and then she's noticing she's noticing tyson and angela across the warehouse house and while she's working out with justine so i wonder if that kind of plays a factor into say sooner rather than later she is talking to somebody or tyson doesn't win into power or angela doesn't win into power next episode and then she's trying to throw out some names of being like well i see them talking a lot and that's big brother and survivor they feel like they have all the numbers in the house we need to maybe put some pressure on it on them and then she's talking to whoever is in power and that person comes over and tells tyson and angela or tyson and the rest of the survivor

39:52 Players and danny's like look i played with her and kiki told me to get her out as soon as possible and then boom so you can see she's just foreshadowing we could see her going into elimination sooner rather than later is the way i'm taking this edit more so than her taking shots at tyson and angela yeah i agree i agree with that i don't think that i mean i want to see her play but i don't know if she's actually playing well because she hasn't had any power so it's really hard for me to really know what she's actually doing and i feel like when she does have a little bit of power that she might overplay her hand and not realize kind of like how tiffany didn't realize that she didn't have the people on her side when she wants well tiffany wasn't making a big move but if shan wants to make a big boob i think that she won't have the numbers even though she thinks that she might or thinks it's a logical thing to do or things that we have to get them out now and people are like yeah maybe that's true but we want them here so you're going in i can see that happening to her for sure yeah i want to bring up a couple of the comments here as you guys were talking about sean so dolores says here the thing with sean is her only power is her reputation tyson is well aware of sean this man is a veteran he's not concerned about her and that's kind of what i said and i think both chantal and drew agree with that as well

41:13 John or juan depending on where in the world you are is manifesting a sean win in the trivia daily so she can throw tyson and angela in that would be something that would be a shocker i think if that happened i'm not against the power you know being thrown out in the house but at this stage i feel like for me personally it's too early because a tyson win is a survivor win and it means less of my survivor players are getting thrown down there even though it's racking up points for chantal week in and week out with either tyson or angela winning she's got the two top players at the moment chantelle you i don't know it's almost like you knew something before we came and i didn't know anything about it well i knew that i wanted i knew that i wanted tyson i had a good idea that i would want angela just knowing that she was a competitive pole vaulter that was i was like she i think she even ran in the olympics or maybe she was training for it like she's very athletic and pole vaulting is very challenging not very many people can do that in the world and so i was like and she's a gymnast like i think that she has a lot of skills that would be really good and she was decent at most of the competitions and big brother 20.

42:20 So i was just like i just felt that she was like a gold mine and so i was i was really happy that you guys didn't have any idea of what she was going to be capable of and that i got her as my first girl pick well i think the person in this chat feeling the most yeah like he got it wrong is probably drew because he had a shot at getting her but he then went for tasha who ended up being the person that went home here in the first round are you trying to like break true's heart right now [Laughter] i just want to throw this out there i watch all these shows i'm not like super fans and do recaps and reviews on every single episode of every single iteration of these reality shows is that shade no not at all no but i picked with my heart more than my head and i couldn't see myself rooting for angela or wanting angela to win and at any point and i wanted to pick people that i wanted to root for and see go far so i was excited for tasha i got a little too excited i guess for tasha so that's why i picked her second and then yeah it's fine i'm totally cool with it i mean i'm not cool with seeing her go but i'm cool with picking her and then her being eliminated more so than winning this is just like a bonus i won by so much on

43:40 The all-stars three one i'm still living in the past on that on that one so we're gonna be there you're gonna be that guy like three four seasons from now you guys remember that all-stars three and i just absolutely dominated you guys i'm going to scrape a little off the top of those like 800 points that i didn't need all of them i'm just going to bring them over here because i need them i need them i got david over here so the perfect time for you to mention david lil smurfy is asking you hold on who's the weakest guy right now to me that's david i would also argue that dom didn't do himself any favors this round like i mean like i just oh this is the first time this is karma everybody this is cashew coming in and cutting on the middle here you were frozen and we're just like this is the first time you're back so i was gonna i was gonna say i was gonna say so just because i like dom right and obviously you know i always like the guy doesn't mean i'm gonna look away from his shortcomings in the game and one of the things about dom this episode is that he proved like in clutch situations like in the arena when he went into the arena and he had to fight for his life he didn't plug the hole which is the simplest thing to do in the arena he absolutely had a brain fart placio

45:00 Pipe you know so i can't say that dom you know he said he was going to go in there and show people why they don't want to mess with him i don't think that he made anybody fear him after the performance that we saw in this episode absolutely not and the fact that like when they're doing their confessionals i don't know if they tape it before or after but when she's like okay well we're gonna go with your plan like we'll see how it works like you know i think that i should go whatever so she was hoping to go into the whatever the tank and remove all the puzzle pieces or blocks i don't know how heavy those are they look like cinder blocks but like i don't think that they were that happy obviously no and so she's like well the water is going down like it's not it's not like i have to be submerged under water for that long like i should do i should do the tank part and because he's taller than her probably she's probably thinking like being able to stack those it would probably be better but he's like no i'll do the water tank stuff like maybe he thinks he's a better swimmer if he can hold his breath for longer whatever but the fact that he was like i need to go do this part because i will do it better than you and he nearly lost it for both of them i was like it had to be that he wanted to he wanted to throw it and get all kicked off because like it just made zero sense whatsoever and then after the fact he's tweeting out that oh well you know cinco from the sidelines

46:20 Is the one that really won this challenge with this elimination and i was like what's you're taking the credit away from cachet who ended up doing really well and having a steady hand and like building the block tower while you're standing there watching her and nearly losing the game because you don't have your foot on the plug so i don't know it was a very weird thing that went down i don't know if it was just a brain fart as he said it seemed to me like he was trying to lose it for whatever reason i originally thought that it was for like a control issue kind of thing where if he's standing outside the tank and she's not being able to get any of the blocks out then he's sitting there going like i can't i can't control my fate at this point as long as he's getting the blocks out he knows how fast he's getting the blocks out and getting him to her that maybe she can start to stack him i think was also the thought process there but at a certain point i don't know if he was just like well it's too late it's too late for me to plug this hole but it was never too late that's the thing it was never too late just put your foot on there and let it and just stop it like hold on to it like and it's not one of those things where oh i completely lost sight of it i mean you're in the tank you can feel the water flowing down like i thought he was i don't know if he was like testing

47:41 It or if he was like if i go i go who cares kind of thing maybe he wasn't like actively throwing it but maybe he was just like if i go i go i can't do this if that is like i didn't even i didn't even think about the fact that maybe he wanted to throw it because in my mind i was like it's dom's going to want to go to the end like he's not going to want to go out but if that is what he did which we don't know we don't know at the same time it's speculation but if that is what it is if it ever came out that he did try and throw it then i would lose all respect for dom i couldn't defend him couldn't stand for it for that we on this podcast do not like quitters we want people that are gonna fight if you commit to the show you've committed for the whole show and it's not even that long these are shorter filmed seasons compared to the main show so at least go out there and try and win it so i was really not happy with how that went down but i will say this like cash being on the puzzle and actually building it i think was the better call because i feel like dom being a bigger guy he's probably would have knocked it over and wouldn't have had the dexterity to actually do that part of it so cash definitely was in the right position as the one good call he made was to be in there and it did look like he got the puzzle or the building blocks before the other team so he was pretty quick in doing that it's just he did not plug the hole which to me is he nearly lost the fact that he got called out by tj i don't think it tj's ever like called out a winner like that being like you know you nearly lost

49:01 That right like that was and like from some angles it looked like it went under the line you know what i mean like they might have just like allowed them to keep it because she was like placing that last block and maybe they're just like okay if she if it falls then they're done if she gets it they'll keep it like i'm not sure how they timed that because it was it was at the line it was at the line i watched some exit press with tasha and james and tashas was saying that she's only five three and cachet i think is maybe five eight or five nine and so she actually wished that her and james switched the roles because he was taller and he would have been able to have a little bit more of that dexterity that you're speaking of placing some of those upper blocks and they wouldn't knock over as easily so on their size they were wishing that they might have switched because it might have been better for them to stack but i do think that it was the right order for cachet and dom well since they won if they didn't win obviously it would have been the worst way to go i was that's why i was kind of going like being like weird of when i saw both guys go into the tank i was like it doesn't take like your height to get the blocks unhooked and even tasha was on survivor so you know she can do something in water relatively well so i thought that the right move would have been swapping tasha

50:21 And james in that elimination and i think james also got into his head a little bit too much about like trying to plug the hole while also trying to undo the blocks when he had all the time in the world to undo all the blocks and then step on the hole and do all that so i think tasha would have been able to handle the pressure inside the tank a little bit better and james would have been able to stack the blocks way more and i think way quicker especially with his height that he has yeah so teller here says that shannon said on mark long's podcast that they were yelling for tom to plug the hole maybe because he was in those one of those glass cages that's harder to hear and there i can definitely see that as possibility again i'm wanting to not believe that he threw it but again like i said if it ever came out and it's proven that he did throw it without a doubt i would not be a fan of that at all i couldn't defend that i will say that cinco he did say like thanks to cinco for helping us out during that elimination from the sidelines because i could hear him doing something the loudest over the help out cache or helping right so yeah well i didn't i was wondering i'm like well like they're yelling at like at them to do stuff like why aren't they yelling at them to plug the hole so i actually wanted to know whether or not they weren't allowed

51:42 To say plug the hole or something because we didn't really hear that as well and so i was like so maybe they weren't allowed to do that and they're just supposed to be like just let if that if that's the case but if she's saying that shannon was they were yelling at them to plug the hole it just feels like he wanted to just like stick it to cash you know what i mean like i don't know it just something's wrong about it but and listen i will say i will say this you guys how to go at me for coming in here being high on dom still wanting to defend him and that's just me i'm a loyal person if i'm a survivor fan i'm a survivor fan and i can be biased 100 that is my bias i acknowledge it but hearing everything about this like if it's true it's making me a hell of a lot lower on it because i just want to make sure everybody understands that i'm not for that i'm not for the fact that you know the blame game putting it on the females like thunder goddess says here like old school ct that's not good i'm not a not a fan of that either and also here hippie chick saying dom wanted to go home which is messed up when you have a partner i don't care how much you don't like your partner in the game you got to fight until the end and again i just want to make it clear we don't know for a fact that he did that but it does not look good and i can acknowledge that one thing that shannon also said on with mark long was that she doesn't want to go back on the show because the food sucked and she didn't get to party

53:02 Which i thought was funny too many yeah many push-ups so far which is weird they had like the first episode party and then we haven't seen anything else which is hey james if i if i send you a dm on instagram now would you want to jump on and have a chat with us it's up to you no pressure since you are back let us know in the chat if you want to jump on and we can see if we can send you a link and you can jump on it'll be cool to chat with you so i have the tweet here so this is what dominique dominic tweeted he's like this win wouldn't have happened with without an assist from the state from the stage from cinco and so he tagged cinco and then sage cachet says or without your partner who can work well under pressure with a steady hand while you didn't do your literal main job which was to not let the water drain out so that was a couple of back and forths on social media there's a few more but i don't have those up here so he's definitely giving credit to cinco from this like how did cinco help her stack a block she had to physically do that herself it's just like if someone's like hey put the no use the other one like you don't have to actually listen you know awesome james don't worry about it i thought i would just you know put the offer out there if you wanted

54:22 To jump on but we will definitely catch up with you and chat with you at some point i'd be so interested to hear your take since you were actually there on some of the things that we don't know enough about and we're just speculating and trying to put the pieces together with different people going on different podcasts different things being said like i said it'd be really interesting to get your take on it and i'm sure we'll get that opportunity to chat with you at some stage but overall you know we do see here sadly james is going to go home and tasha's going to go home tasha's out so early she wants to play the game again james saying you know that he really felt emotional when he actually put that jacket on with the challenge logo on it because he's such a big fan of all of these shows let's hope that there is the challenge usa season 2 so he comes back or you know maybe we'll ask him next time if he's interested in making his debut on the main show on mtv which would be awesome to have james even show up there i feel like the challenge since he's already in that realm that there's a higher likelihood that he'll be back on the challenge but i also think that the strategic chops that he showed he could fit into a lot of different shows i think it's transferable well i definitely think that the challenge usa will be back because big brother 24 is so bad it's not good it's so it's not good that i'm not even covering

55:43 It and i obsessed with big brother it used to be my favorite show and right now again not even compelled to want to cover it other than being guest hosting on other channels so i can see that it might be performing better than big brother and so you're gonna keep your top performing shows on the air so even if it's too big up big brother people be like oh you come on big brother you know you might be able to get to go on cbs is the challenge usa so i think it's gonna come back for a second season i so far i think it's really successful in what i've seen i know there's a lot of grievances with a lot of the contestants but they might be able to fix that for next season depending on what they were so i'm thumbs up for the challenge usa coming back i think that it should and it will and maybe people will be able to come back and play again even if they played on season one it won't be just a new cast to me it just makes sense because there's an endless pool of talent like we only saw three amazing race people make their way into the season you know hopefully next time we've got more amazing race contestants making the jump over we have got plenty more seasons of survivor we've got plenty more seasons of big brother people that have not made it onto this love island as well i'm just not as familiar with love island but clearly they're adding a function i think you know like they're adding a fun element to the show so i'm sure that there will be more people that

57:03 Could be pulled from that as well i do want to talk about a little bit about the daily because we kind of brushed over it as we skipped to the arena the daily was an interesting one i know drew you were a little bit low on it i quite liked the whole hangman having to run back and forth get the letters and then one person needed to hold the weighted bags up i guess at the end there was also a puzzle component to it with them having to build the staircase i want to give props to kailan for actually sorting everything out before they're placing it in using a proper strategy here and then i found it really interesting were you guys shocked that kailan was the one that they chose to go and figure out the word one of the things that would be good to ask james if we ever get him on was were you able to help or could you talk to each other as you were running back so that you know angela technically could still help kylan with the word or was kailyn supposed to get that sorted out himself on the other end i was i was interested because i thought maybe carlin wouldn't be in that but i know he's physically really fit so he obviously killed him in the running portion i feel like they could help but the only thing that i'm thinking of and i think it was cachet saying to dom like don't choose e or something that he chose as a letter i can't i can't remember exactly what had happened but i do think that they were able to talk to each other but you guys can clarify for me james he is saying i need an og theme for season two bring back battle of the seasons but make it shows

58:23 So that there's maybe more equal seasons together would you be here for it drew and chantal since you guys have watched it since the beginning og fans as well would you like an og theme like that on usa season two well we kind of talked about that's how it should have been it should have been evenly distributed the amount of people from each season that's kind of what we were saying wasn't great about the main show is the fact that like okay we have a big group of big brother people and then when they bring a couple of survivor people on they just they can't get any footing here and so definitely think like a battle of the seasons for the challenges they would work or ballot of the series i guess battle of the shows i think it would work really well and i and i would like to see that i want to see everybody have kind of a fair chance and i don't i don't love seeing you know one show dominating over another show so i would be here for it hundo percento we definitely need those equal numbers right yes and i made a fantasy cast one of my last fantasy cast i made like a long time ago was big brother versus survivor versus the challenge and i made like a three teams format of battle of the shows because we don't have we can't do battle of the seasons and i was hoping that we would get a battle of the seasons here this year because then we could keep the 10-year tradition alive of 2002 2012 and then 2022.

59:43 Well it kind of is then i guess just not called that yeah not really but i think it would be interesting the only thing is that you're gonna have like you're only gonna have like a certain number of people that you can pick from love island now that it's move networks and it's no longer under the paramount cbs umbrella so you're either gonna pick more from season one two or come back to the well of season three because right now it's over on peacock and it is flying high over there but i think i enjoy battle of the shows i would i would just mention that i would just like it to have all the equal number of players from the shows i don't necessarily want to see like a three team four team format because i would love to see more of like cross lines cross alliances that's what i would like to see so i'm cool with i and i think they should have done it from the very beginning having more of the same numbers but yeah i see what you're saying and i totally agree that i don't want each show sticking together necessarily and battling as a unit but i want as you're saying like the same amount of people and like who would show is better is still what's happening but yeah everything gets mixed around 100

1:01:03 Agree yeah shout out to ben i went this whole podcast one hour into it without being able to mention this name i know you guys have got as much love for being as i do you know we don't want to stop on all your heroes today you know you're like you're going to give me one you're going to give me one person but you've been keeping up with karlin on the run barely losing out in this specific section here i thought that was quite interesting to see the battle between the young buck and the i don't know it's been like 40 years i don't feel like he's 40 he's probably in like his late 30s but they were like it's the older guy this is the young buck out there i mean i don't know what like the old versus young like i'm actually not as mad at ben as i thought i was gonna be ben who don't ask chris ask chris i don't want to get involved you know i kind of feel gutted i was planning on getting a cowboy hat for the whole challenge usa i completely forgot about it now with three episodes and i feel it's too late i should have had like the hat on for as long as he stayed in the game but i feel like he doesn't have the head on all that often now on the show he's kind of thrown into this like he's kind of bold he's kind of like yeah it's kind of bold i can only picture him with the with the hat on so i actually don't know what he said he cut it all off because he had a really long beard and really long hair for the longest

1:02:23 Time and then i think coming on to this show he decided to cut all of it down a lot but i honestly thought ben was gonna win this daily challenge this episode for the sole fact that he got so much so many confessionals and they were showing his like i love wheel of fortune and doing all this stuff r-h-t-l-e i honestly thought because they were showing so much of that and he hasn't really shown was shown in a lot of other episodes more specifically he was shown to just say like oh you have to go up the ladder go down the litter jump up jump down like he was doing more of the directions of what it was but this episode he was showing a lot more of his strategy he was involved and i thought that he was going to be able to outdo it over kylan who got like zero confessionals throughout this whole time but was able to pull out the win i also want to give a shout out to my favorite my absolute favorite moment besides the tyson and alyssa moment that they had beforehand but one moment that i only caught on my second rewatch before i did the review and recap was david and shannon who i want to see more as a partnership but there was one point where david walks up the stairs he's looking through the letters and then he just goes all right i'm gonna try a t and shannon

1:03:43 Just goes i don't give a [ __ ] like just go i don't care get out of my spices like it was just so funny like he was just like all right just like runs off like do you do she's in her own world just trying to stand there hold on like not to fall off not to go into an elimination you just do your job and run down and guess a letter i just thought that was really funny okay before we talk about the biggest moment which obviously was that one that you mentioned also another big moment that was funny earlier on was derek and sean when they were having their conversation and they walked off and derek is let's go for a walk so we can work on our chemistry i was thinking what's his girlfriend said is it clear or something like that i think she wouldn't have liked that too much because it was almost like let's look at our chemistry in a deity kind of way and chances are an attractive girl you know if i was clear i would have been asking some questions afterwards i didn't pick up on that i just i guess i don't see him as somebody that would ever cheat on claire's i don't think he would i don't i think it just it sounded good at all it sounded great in that moment you know but obviously chantal drew brings up a great point here tyson and alyssa being paired together now alyssa she doesn't want to be the person that is part of tyson's equation of not winning because that leaves a bad memory in tyson's head he's already looking for weak players to get rid of obviously he can't be paired with her again so maybe

1:05:03 She becomes less of a threat to him until the later stage in the game but she doesn't want to be seen as weak by other players and suddenly tyson lose that winning streak and there's this moment before they go into the challenge where tyson says well some people say that they've gone biking for 12 or cycling for 12 miles that's not even a warm-up and she looks at him and she's like that's that was me i think he's like that's not even a warm-up i love that moment i laugh and i love how she was really playful in that moment i love that he was also really playful back i think that her intention even if she didn't win that daily with him was to create a bond of some sort so that he will want to work with her in the future so i think she was going to be a good partner she was going to try really hard she wasn't going to quit or give up she was going to have a little bit of a banter with him so i think that she did what she had got like set out to do with her relationship with tyson because i don't see him coming for her even though they didn't win the daily she didn't lose the daily like if she had done what tasha did and they went directly into elimination and they came out and won i think that might have been a different story but the fact that she didn't lose when he did put weight on her bar and they seem to have a good they have good chemistry as well and they he has a partner

1:06:23 I think that it's going to be fine for her moving forward yeah dolores saying that claire is a gamer she wouldn't be worried about derek and what he had to do to stay in the game denise here brings up another great moment i almost forgot about cash having to go to the bathroom during the challenge would be the one for her and that was a funny scene as well because you know dom was like why is she running so fast and she's like i have to get out of here well like that would be something to be annoyed by my partner if like she had to like hey i can't do this i have to go to the washroom like that would be if i were dom i'd be really annoyed but like the fact that she's running fast because she's just trying to get it done quickly like that'd be the worst timing like you're in the middle of the challenge i can't imagine that challenge was a quick one either because they had to run that whole distance up and down the whole time then she had to go and they had to build the puzzle with the ladder she had to go and stand up on that little podium thing was she the one running no she was the one on the podium right and yeah dom was running back and forth i can't imagine that's that would have been a quick challenge maybe it was like a nervous pee though maybe it was just because she's had to perform sometimes you get a nervous you know you have to pee if you have to perform so maybe that's why yeah is there anything that we have not touched on here for the episode i feel like we've kind of touched on all the main talking points if not

1:07:44 We're gonna go into our draft and while you guys look at your notes i might as well bring the draft up in the meantime and remove players that are no longer in the game now obviously we had james who was the people's champion sadly following here this episode leaving the audience without a person in the game and then we had probably the biggest elimination so far this season drew loses his number one female pick and tasha for the season so it's very even steven when it comes to the numbers in regards to who's left in the game but drew might be telling us a different story when it comes to the actual points and where that is sitting at but before we go into that anything that i missed until i know you had a look at your notes i was kind of thinking about just what our thoughts are around the episode title being declaration of independence so do you think that was kind of around the fact that james didn't want to necessarily stay true to the amazing race and he was just trying to solidify himself within the survivor world i think so personally i think that it was definitely around james trying to solidify long-term relationships and getting into the survivor group and i thought his read was right like again like i said strategically james didn't in my mind do anything wrong now obviously ethically it probably doesn't look good that he's willing to turn his back against and then

1:09:04 Telling leo i thought maybe telling leo about it might have been a misstep i think it got back to you i think it got back to leo i'm pretty sure leo went into that conversation already with some knowledge that conversations were happening and he was just being open and honest because it made its way back to him that's kind of how i read it unless i'm wrong i thought that it might have been more effective i didn't see i didn't think of it coming back to leo i felt like james was telling him what was going on to be a little bit more transparent and leo's like wait you want to go against me and you know i think that james could have maybe said like well you were one of the options like i didn't i didn't push for you like but like you were one of the options that they were they're thinking of like i think that he should have maybe just like not kind of say that he suggested that and that he'd be willing to go against leo versus and instead of going against dom like it would be something that he would prefer in case he came back i think that it could have ruining that friendship would have been i don't think it would have been good for his game long term there's some things that james said in this chat that makes me need to go listen to his exit interviews because he said that the edit was completely a lot off of the story that they were spinning to where he didn't necessarily want to go up against leo and shannon i think he mentioned

1:10:24 Somewhere in the chat and i again need to do my due diligence and listen to like six different podcast interviews to get the full story or if we can luckily get him on and one of these review and recaps that would be amazing to get his full like his full view on everything but he's i think he said that he knew that they were going to be a part of like the decision process like leo was and shannon were going to be up for elimination and would be in angela and kylan's mind so it's kind of like one of those things where i think he it was just kind of brought up during the deliberation and at that point you're kind of just like counting okay well if i have to go up against them i mean that's out of my hands i'm going into the elimination and if i have to go up against somebody it's either going to be one of my team members of the amazing race with leo or it's going to be dom and kashay and i think he was really trying to push more for probably dominant cache even though he was telling dom like i don't want to go up against you i don't want to go up against you he even said somewhere in the chat that him and leo watched the episode together and laughed at the edit on how it was edited together so i think there's something more to their so cool okay i do want to give another shout out here since i'm in the mood for giving shout outs you know that the bean shadow i want to give a shout out for my girl justine

1:11:45 Even though she's not on my team i thought she had a good episode again like you know obviously loki not as much of an edit not being tied to tyson again but i thought she had a great observation when it came to the whole thing about leo not having as much control or social game as he's probably aware of like i love leo as a character always will but she really saw where the house was at and the risk that they had of potentially going down there she saw it coming where he didn't and i think that maybe some of her connections and her social game we didn't get to see that and how it kept them out of that potential elimination so you know she didn't have much content but i've enjoyed i've enjoyed i think out of the love she's kind of a top confessional person though if i'm not mistaken like she's kind of on the higher end if i'm not mistaken i sent another little list of all the confessionals i think that somebody had sent me yeah anyways yeah so justine and cash are probably the two that i enjoy the most of love island so far like shannon's fun in a different way but i think that you know if i had to like put an endorsement onto two players i want to see come back from love island those would be the two i would put my endorsement next to at this stage oh for sure i mean they're great i think they're great people i met cashe in new york and she was lovely funny very likable charming like i definitely enjoyed her as a personality so which is also

1:13:05 Why it was so surprising that dom has so much disdain for her and so i wish though that i paid more attention to see whether or not they interacted because dog was also at that event and so i wish i'd paid attention to see whether or not like they were hanging out and chilling at all or like if they kind of avoid each other i wish that i'd known a little bit more so i could have paid attention when i saw them live in the same space and i thought she dealt with her abrasiveness really well even when he was like no i'm doing this she's like okay let's do that but let it be known if it doesn't go well you're the one who made the call but i thought she did it in a good way so i you know hats off to her for dealing with it he was very that's why i said he came across as very bulldozy which is a shame because that's not how i saw him play his first season but we already spoke about that i don't want to go back down one other thing that we didn't speak about that their dynamic was the fact that she said she's like hey can you stop making it seem like you're ready to go in and that you want to go in can you please not make it easy for them to just throw us in because we're ready and we're expecting it and i thought that was a good call from a person that's not well-versed in this game because yeah you don't necessarily want to make it easy for them you're not throwing yourself in be like i know you're going to put me in anyways so i'm ready but be ready absolutely but like don't make it obvious to everybody

1:14:25 So that's coming back to your partner that like dom is saying that he wants to be thrown in or he knows that he's going to be going in can i just can i just mention one thing because i thought we were going to go this whole time without saying it but i have to say it his reaction to her saying that was oh my gosh it made my blood boil to be like oh you're giving me advice you're kidding me who was actually on a an island you oh and like almost like patted her on the head and then was like walking across all the guys and was like cinco you got a good one she's smart over there she's real smart and then going to lay on the lounger being like get the f out of here oh i'm on the construction side i get to say what i call the shots and nobody ever tells me what to do supervisor i'm the supervisor in a row oh my god how do we get so lucky to get this impression oh my gosh i'm so glad she told me you brought

1:15:45 It up it was it was worth it i got a partner i got a partner that doesn't it was probably not good at a lot of stuff why is she running so fast why is she doing that she can't do anything right in my eyes because i got second place in survivor thanks for trying to tell me what to do i'm gonna go sit over here i'm gonna go polish my shoes i'm gonna have a good time because i'm not gonna plug the hole see you guys listen i came in i came in i'm like i'm gonna be i'm gonna i'm gonna turn a blind eye to a few things he did but the more we spoke about it the more i came to the conclusion you guys are right like dom's not in a good spot right now and it's a shame it's a shame how the mighty have fallen sometimes it's you know if you what's that saying about if you if you live long enough you know you can turn from a hero to a villain there's something like that anyways expanded in the chat i feel like that's what's happening maybe you should have only played one time or just come back as like a nice guy like i don't know be like the lovable dad like archetype i don't know like be likable tyson is being i think tyson's is playing the game that he thinks that he's playing but tyson actually put in the work he got in shape he's funny he's getting along with people even if he doesn't like them he's still kind of getting

1:17:05 Along with them and he has power all the time so i think that tyson's playing the game that dom wishes he was playing and but he's still acting like he's playing that game because he has he has strength in the survivor numbers so it's a little bit of false sense of security that's giving him this like power complex and it's like it's not cute not cute we saw we saw the cuteness of this impersonation that drew gifted us with so that's how cute he was saying that they did take a photo together at that event that you spoke about so maybe they're okay now who knows like you know i don't know what set him off like i mean this is a different dom compared to the one that we saw in survivors so i don't know continuously so maybe he is honestly my worst impression but that's what you're going to get on my tiny table talks over at patreon.com is that dom impression which is absolutely terrible i don't know where that came from is that elvis i don't know that was just weird it's the first thing that came out it was a gift from god or the divine the chad loves it lovable negativity so here we go baby ice has got it you either die a hero or live long enough to become the villain and i feel like that is that should have been the title of this episode instead of declaration of independence that's kind of how i feel about dom at this stage but hey it's still early days drew we've put it off long enough

1:18:25 Let's get into the numbers let's get cracking i feel like i'm a little bit higher on this episode because a lot of my people had some confessionals this episode but i'm sort of interested to see what happened on the points side of things because i've got a lot of ground to make up i mean we don't have to go through the points we could just like bypass i guess we'll start with the third place team which is my team which is being helmed by queen justine as chris was talking about earlier she's my highest point scorer with 18 total points danny and leo are my second highest with 12 each mostly from confessionals and so i jumped up a whopping 21 points from 56 points to 77 points and that's only seven more points than what chris had last week but chris went up major points went up 39 points so he went from 70 to 109 jumping into the triple crown or the triple digits your highest point scorer is kyland at this point winning a daily challenge winning an elimination and having 14 total confessionals over three episodes 22 points your second highest is dominick after getting 10 confessionals and winning an elimination so he got 13 total points this episode and yeah

1:19:45 So you got 109 points and in the number one spot is team chantal who is also in triple digits of course because she's number one you're in second place and you have three 100 points so she went from 89 points and i can't do this math quickly in my head you got 115 points total so i guess like 20 26 points so 26 points you get from this episode jump over and your highest point score is you guessed it tyson with 28 total points and cache is your second total point scorer with 21 total points and angela with 19 total points i do want to throw this out there that this was the second straight episode aza did not have a single confessional if she has more than two to three confessionals early on in the episode she's gonna be seeing another elimination just throwing out there alongside my boy david who did not have let's just say he let's just not have him have a single point this season i would love it he has what he has won he has one i want to see if he can be lower than kendall's point total which was nine in five episodes of all-stars if david makes it past the halfway point and he can't even get in into the double digits of points i will laugh my head off and i will just say that i lose this

1:21:06 Draft so quickly like 800. yeah it'll just be minus whatever points you both have combined to whatever point small points i have but just throwing that out there kira also had only one confessional and xavier after having zero confessionals in episode two he only had one confessional this episode so i found was very interesting did you not like us did you not like his canon bomb in the beginning of the episode oh like but he if there was actual water and like that's what made it so funny it was when you laughed you really laughed with derek bringing out the like i didn't get i didn't get it he's bringing out the kettle why'd you bring out the kettle to fill up the pool i don't know why he brought up the kid although that but it was funny because in the main show they normally actually have water in the jacuzzi and this one they didn't so it's kind of like oh that's why the kettle is supposed to be hot okay yeah probably i guess so it's a jacuzzi or whirlpool or whatever okay i didn't understand why i didn't understand it yeah it's tough so far i mean i could see a lot of different possibilities here but i have to admit it this time you know chantal we're three episodes and you still have your top four they're looking very strong at this moment i'm feeling slightly justified in picking kailan that's one good thing because i know i got a lot of flack

1:22:26 When i picked him content but so far he's put in the world to do really well yeah he's worked for this he loves the show he trained to be on it he did a bit of his research so you know credible is due he's performing i didn't come into this thinking he would be my point my top points getter at this point you know and you've got justine who none of us would have thought would have been the top points getter for drew at this stage so hats off to justine for making a real impact this season so far also i just had to put out that put it out there that we've replacing the over or under for confessionals for david at 4.5 so if i want people to maybe decide if you think he'll get more than four and a half confessionals or less than four and a half confessionals with his entire stay this season i think everybody i think certified soft that people forgot that he's there i don't actually think people know that he's playing the game at the moment also certified software saying i really want dom to leave he exudes misogyny especially with the construction remarks yep we've gone into that quite a bit definitely not a good look on his end at all and then some extra love here for kailan which is also appreciated because you know malcolm love is good i like i like liking the people that should tell and dream tear you down eventually as soon as soon as parliament leaves the game

1:23:46 Or bin leaves the game you'll be like c told you as a horrible player got you chris he was never going to win the season no the reason why i'm not a fan of kylan was from his gameplay on 24. so i think we went into that and leaned from the previous podcast for those who want to know a little bit but about the backstory of kailan and big brother 20 what was it 23 did you say so we're 24 now okay i haven't watched big pro 24 but by the sounds of it sounds like i shouldn't it's a lot of a lot of i mean we were hoping that it was going to get better and then they introduced a twist that's actually terrible so yeah so it's all at least we've got at least we've got the challenge usa to talk about weekly so you know i'm happy with that all right so everybody in the life thank you so much for joining us today we love having you guys here asking all your great questions and taking part in the conversation chantal let people know where they can find you and what's coming up over the next week i'm around a lot i'm going live at least a couple times a day for love island so usually around 6 15 eastern for love island uk and after the episode for love island usa so i'm basically going to watch that episode right now after i pop off of this and then recap probably at around like 11 30 or midnight depending on how long or how quickly i can get that done so that's

1:25:06 Pretty much daily and then doing the bachelor at on tuesdays at 8 pm eastern at 9 00 or 10 p.m eastern on tuesdays as well during the amazing race canada wednesdays you guys know michelle michael and or matthew and i do our recap for the challenge back here with you guys on friday and saturday's doing the challenge usa with sarah from entertainment i think that's everything but i probably i forgot five shows probably just ring the bell ring the bell and get notified when i go live it's all the time all the time still the busiest woman in podcasting going over to drew what's happening over on your channel on angel cake entertainment on angel cake fridays here of course and then on tomorrow or saturdays at 7 p.m eastern standard time for patron eyes only is my tiny table talk for the challenge usa it's almost like a challenge tiny table talk at night after dark you know what i mean i get a little bit more rowdy you'll hear a lot a little bit of one actually you get tipsy yeah we're gonna we're gonna have a good time over there but reason to join his patreon sunday is gonna be endurance of course this season is messy these kids are so messy and then monday i'm also gonna have a clip and

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