THE CHALLENGE USA: EPISODE 5 RECAP

0:09 She [Music] [Music] [Music] so [Music] [Music] welcome back to the nullified tech channel here on youtube also streaming live on reality realness with three yeses i'm your host chris and with me today is drew chantel's gonna run a little bit late but we will see her a little bit later on i think she's just finishing off another podcast hardest working woman on youtube doing these podcasts but drew how are you on your end i'm doing pretty well i'm doing pretty well this week and ready to talk about the challenge usa yeah i'm excited to talk about it with you we very rarely get to talk one-on-one about it i kind of came into

1:29 This podcast like i've got my gloves ready i've got the mouth guard and i'm ready for it because i know we're gonna go back and forth on the ben sarah and tyson thing here and i kind of came in here knowing that you and chantal will think the same way so i'm gonna maybe have to be the counter person there but i could be wrong if all i know drew you're seeing it my way i guess i gotta hear your way to see if i'm gonna see it your way because i'm a little confused that what we're going to be fighting about a little bit here but i'll take sides as we go on yeah you're normally the king maker you're normally in the middle between the chantal and you decide who's right or wrong welcome to everybody here in the live chris welcome back lovable nikki thank you for keeping an eye on the chat again today patricia rose is saying finally get to be here live welcome to the live we love having new people to on the live stream as well baby ice as well rodrigo and so forth everybody that's in life that haven't commented welcome what an episode what an episode the civil war has started between the survivor players and we are here to break it all down and talk about everything that transpired within this episode but to get into it we have to go all the way back to the beginning we've got to go back to that algorithm that tj loves so much you know it spits out these new teams coming into this episode and there's a couple of teams that stood out i think we kind of saw the foreshadowing

2:50 Of the whole leo and sarah partnership that was going to happen at some point because sarah continued to talk about the fact that she don't want to be partnered with him and then ultimately leo and sarah end up getting paid here in this episode yeah and i think one that i was able to kind of call out last week accidentally i was able to go back to the what's to come this season trailer and on my live tiny table talk for patreon i was able to guess every single partnership because it was beginning but i accidentally guessed tyson and cache was going to be partnered up last week before i even got to see anything and i thought that was pretty good but i felt like we could see the writing on the wall knowing that it's going to be a swimming challenge tyson has been a beast and now he's going to get paired up with cachet who has admittedly saying she's not that good at swimming so it was kind of like a test of can tyson still win even with a partner that may not be feeling that strong or confident in water yeah richard here my co-host for survivors of africa saying no catfish that's for sure because you can't swim and then baby ice bit of a hot take here loves the algorithm maybe more people like it but i mean it is i guess kind of doing what they wanted to do it is muddying the waters between alliances and it isn't making it a clear survivor stay strong big brother stay

4:10 Strong we've actually seen love island take shots at love island we've seen survivor now take shots at survivor and big brother's taking shots of themselves as well yeah it's actually pretty interesting i do want to say something about that catfish comment i wanted to take points off of angela's score so bad in the fantasy draft because when she says it i rolled my eyes so hard because i just didn't i was like no stop it with the catfish puns i'm done with the cat talk all right i get it that's part of his personality but it can't be his whole personality i can't i can't stand it right now i don't remember this being a thing in the amazing race i don't remember cat talking around leo i'm surprised that the mao hasn't come out with enzo being there like that's not a thing at the moment on the challenge but can you imagine if we had to double down on all this cat talk that's happening on the challenge you know it would be like the kiki talk that keeps coming up every single time we've got an episode basically if we had the meow and then leo paired up in like an alliance it would call it would be called the fee lions get it alliance put together there we go so many puns too many puns right now for real [Laughter] for real i'm gonna butcher this georgie your a says are we getting kiki

5:30 Points today well technically if kiki points were to be awarded i think that would go to drew for danny consistently mentioning kiki i'm convinced at this point drew danny his main goal and his main strategy out there is just not to embarrass himself in front of kiki and i feel like he's done that so many times already he did not perform too well in this challenge as well he was with angela she was very happy to have him because you know nfl athlete she's an olympian you know trials olympian pole vaulter i guess it was i forgot what she did yeah but daddy really daddy didn't have the best of days on this one like if there was a weakness in danny's armor it is swimming it was it was i'm not gonna say he like embarrassed himself because he was in the top three and then he got passed up by tyson but there was a ton of other people that passed up by tyson i think he should be more upset by being passed up by alyssa and david because he was him and angela were ahead of david and alyssa and then they came up and took fourth place or third place from him and then they got back into fifth place so i almost think that i think you would be more upset about david and alyssa passing you in the daily challenge but i think they ultimately beat them in the daily challenge even though it didn't matter what placing they did because they didn't get last

6:50 Or first but i think danny is doing just enough to stay under the radar he's not winning a ton but he's not coming in last place so i'm cool with him being on my team i just would love for him to win something so i can get those five sweet points but i'm happy with danny i'm happy with what he's been able to accomplish on the show so far being paired up with angela on this one though i was hoping that he was going to get that win i mean being from survivor i was hoping that he was going to be able to pull out this win but you're duo i don't know i don't know if you have derek but i know you have kayla and derek and kayla were doing phenomenal this episode like for them to come up short and not win this i was shocked yeah i mean you'd expect them like i mean it was a layup by the end of it because they beasted the physical part which i think was a shock to everyone out there nobody realized how good of a swimmers both kayla and derek was going to be but then the one thing that they're supposed to dominate at is puzzles and putting things together but kayla brought up a very good point when she said that sometimes when you've got a method and doing something and someone else has got their own method you know it's that whole one plus three equals four but two plus two also equals four there's different ways to get there but sometimes you can be counterproductive and actually work

8:10 Against your teammate i do want to go back before we get into that daily challenge right to the start here of the episode obviously the pairs are formed immediately you know senko being with aza i was never really the biggest fan of aza being on the challenge i kind of wasn't sure what she was going to do on the challenge i think she did herself proud but not quitting so give her credit for that but she isn't the most physical person and she was obviously brought in for a different reason not for that specifically but she ended up costing cinco throughout this game being a bit off that dead weight that he had to carry throughout the challenge but in the early days here when we go to the house we go to derek and kayla as a new partnership they start talking about how do they feel within the house they're an amazing race person that is with a big brother person so they know that they may be insulated from both sides depending on who wins here and they start talking about who would tyson take shots at and kayla sort of is aware that tyson potentially will want to make a big move at this stage in the game so great observation yeah i'm actually quite surprised that they weren't more worried about their possibly being paired up together i mean i'm sorry but if i'm love island and you only have now two people only left in the in the game that's from your show i'm still worried like i'm still thinking that if a survivor group wins this or a love island survivor contestant wins this i'm

9:30 Gonna be up on the block i mean we've just saw alyssa take a shot at shannon xavier there's no saying that because your big brother big brother's just gonna automatically have your back from here on out so i was actually quite surprised when they were like we just don't have to get last place and we'll be fine because i was like there's more there's more chances of you going into the elimination than you possibly could think i feel so i thought that was pretty interesting yeah i agree with that more so here early on this episode we see a bit of that relationship between ben and sarah now obviously for those who didn't watch survivor who aren't fans of survivor they probably wouldn't know that sarah sorry ben actually gave his game up for sarah in that season he actually fall he fell on a sword so that she could go further in that season which was crazy fast back then because you know you're a champion you're a winner of your season you're playing it all in a season you'd think you'd want to go all the way and win the season but it shows how close they became in that season as a trial with tony and some of the other people that they were working with so it's no surprise here to actually and this is one thing that i think i called out last week i wanted to see more of this interactions between these players that i know have got relationships i want to see it to get some satisfaction say yes that's ben and sarah are talking and communicating here now i know they're very 50 some people

10:50 Like them some people don't like them i lean towards the i like them and i feel more justified now that we've had james on the podcast telling us they're actually a lot nicer in person than you probably would even realize because i don't think in the edit like i've said it before i don't think sarah does herself favors and the way that she comes across when she speaks to the camera i don't think she's the most charismatic when it comes to talking to the camera she doesn't know potentially what makes for great entertainment i feel like but it doesn't mean that she couldn't be a great person outside of that so i like seeing this dynamic and him braiding her hair here because that's what he does with his daughter it was it was pretty cool to see for me it just so after this after this week's episode i wasn't a huge fan of sarah and then after this week's episode i was definitely not a huge fan of sarah but i will say that there is something to like i don't know if it's the aesthetic of outside of her and because i always felt like she was fine on survivor with those confessionals but when it came comes down to the challenge it just seems like it feels so unnatural i don't know what she's doing i don't know if it's like feels so different being in a room with a green screen and just a different environment but i feel like she comes off the least genuine or authentic in those confessionals i mean i'm not a huge fan of ben but i feel like he at least comes off a little bit more like he's just doing his thing talking about the wheel of fortune and

12:10 Having a good time walking on the treadmill with his cowboy hat like why are you working out with your cowboy hat on i thought that was just so weird but it wasn't yeah he is he's like maybe he's like thinking like if i run the finals i'm gonna be walking with my cowboy hat i gotta work walk it with it's his turbo training like turbo eating a bunch of pasta before he runs on the train that's exactly it his 10 gallon hat he has to make sure that he can still walk like three miles with it on his head but i do like this interaction with them i just thought that this beginning portion was a little clunky in the way that they were presenting all the information really quickly in so quick secession i mean it was like six minutes we had to get in the conversation with derrick and kayla cinco and cashe ben and sarah then tyson and sarah talking about ben and then going straight into the daily challenge within nine minutes into this into this episode i just felt like it was just like super rushed and some of the threads did not connect throughout the rest of the episode and we'll probably get into that a little bit later on yeah and feel free to bring it up if i if i talk over it for any reason because when i started writing the notes for this episode as we do when you do podcasting yes you actually have to think about what we're going to say if we get onto one of these shows you know i was thinking to myself it's kind of rash that's the main plot points are very simple and straightforward

13:30 Almost it's not as complex and maybe it's because i just did a podcast prior to that this morning on survivors of africa which is so complex because we're getting four episodes a week and it's all like 50 minutes long and the amount of strategy and this is the plan and no now this is the fake plan so it just felt so straightforward after that which is a relief to a certain degree that i don't have to keep on top of all of those different plot lines coming into this but a very straightforward episode when it comes to that but a few people here in the chat i think is bringing up some great points baby ice and i we normally see things the same way he says i was not a fan of sarah before this episode now i hope she defeats the bastardly or dastardly villain tyson i listen the thing for me though is and i know people are gonna be like how dare she come at tyson and this is probably gonna be the most controversial thing is like how she was like celebrating after that when and you know doing the throat cart and eating the turkey leg and going real crazy right and people are probably gonna be like that's too much it's too much but then again i would rather have people show emotion and have that fighting spirit in the game than just go out without fighting and there being no entertainment or nothing for us to talk about on these podcasts yeah i'm gonna say it right now it was cringe it was awkward especially when they were like tied up together and they were still trying to like move around and try to seem like dominant or assertive and they kept on like

14:50 Stumbling over each other it was just weird i really like i so this is my thing i actually listened to both podcasts one of the devin and devon podcast where they interviewed cache about this episode and then i listened to tyson's podcast to get the full view of what was going on and i when we hear on the episodes edit that leo's like i called you my brother tyson and it's supposed to be like this big old like et etude brute kind of vibe and tyson on his podcast was saying that he called him that day one and he thought it was really awkward he didn't like it was uncomfortable it made him feel uncomfortable so when that's when we get the i don't know what to tell you dude like i called you my brother whatever like i don't care it's yeah you're right i mean richard here obviously another big survivor fan saying his money is on queen sarah and love sarah but the post when reaction was free that's me i mean i can admit it i am definitely biased towards survivor in general because that's the show that i'm supporting coming into this but i admit like it wasn't great i admit there's some flaws in how she comes across when she does confessionals which is kind of robotic or just i don't remember her being bad at confessionals and survivors similar to what you said so it's weird to see it as different and i don't know what it is but i think

16:10 What made it even more cringe and more weird was tyson's non-reaction like i mean he's just he's just there like what are these people doing i've never been this angry at anything in my life you know and tyson is just like the perfect ying to the yang of what sarah and leo brought in intensity and leo's one for me was like you know there's no hate on leo i saw someone earlier ask why do people hate leo we don't hate him as a person i think he's probably a nice guy but he's the cat stuff is a little bit much he's not being portrayed in the most positive way and then him taking this so personal like you were my big brother in the game i mean you've known this guy for like what two weeks a week you know how yeah why are you so burned i understand what sarah has been because they've played games before yes she did betray him but she thought that there was going to be a mutual respect based on that survivor ties that they had coming into the game so i can understand i'm not saying that she's fully justified but i can understand that more but with leo i don't understand why he's so offended by this at all yeah i don't well then again he's coming from a show and a game where you just perform you do the task you perform and we're seeing him in like just joking around like when he jumped in well i don't know if he jumped he didn't jump in the water he late he kind of like slowly lowered himself into the water at one point and he had that part in the daily challenge where he said tj

17:31 I love you no tj i hate you why would you do this to us and then you can see sarah just being like what are you doing shut up like let's do this thing and i guess that's what cashew was saying on the podcast on the challenge official podcast about how leo just didn't seem like he was taking anything super seriously so that's why a lot of people did not want to be partnered up with him and was cool for him to go into the elimination and hopefully wanting to get him eliminated but she did say that we do have something to look forward to because she said that there was a fire lit under leo after this elimination win and i think this has put his head on straight made him want to focus in this game knowing like okay well there's actually people playing this game they actually see me as wanting to take me out they're not seeing me as a real threat and i got fourth and third place on three times in the amazing race i want to prove everybody that i'm here to play and i'm a worthy competitor and she said that we have something to look out for with leo moving forward in this game and i'm actually very excited not just because he's on my fantasy team but because we have another competitor kind of kicking it into gear we want to see people come into play and i'm actually looking forward to seeing what he can do moving forward if his head is actually in this game because his performance has not been there at all yeah it's

18:51 Like dolores says here yeah dolores brings it up she says cause leo isn't talk taking the challenge serious or that is how he's being perceived in the game that's why some of that hate is there that's why they want to throw him in and then one of the funniest things for me this whole episode is sarah actually digging her own grave by telling everybody he is so bad and he was terrible to like work with and then everybody is like oh okay we'll take notes of that and when the time comes we'll throw him down there because like cash said if she's paired up with leo in a swimming challenge that's an automatic elimination ticket for her or arena ticket for her and she wants to prevent that so you know sarah is a great social player but i don't think she's fully worked out the nuances of the challenge the challenge is a different game compared to survivor where one person could be the person that throws you down there which is what happened here you could be good with 80 of the house but guess what if cash wants to take a shot at you or tyson wants to take a shot at you they're going to do it and i think that she just didn't think that through 100 because you kind of don't want to paint an unnecessary target on a partner that you've already had you've gone through the worst you've done this whole daily challenge with her with him you don't have to have him back in your team maybe for a couple of rounds because that's done and dusted now this is someone else's problem stay quiet about it yeah and especially like do you think that there was some bit of like i don't know

20:11 Confidence or arrogance on that part of her gameplay because she did have a confessional which was the like guarantee foreshadowing point where she was like oh sir tyson is has won i'm it's survivor strong i'm not going in i know i'm not going to go in so do you think that there was some arrogance or confidence in like oh tyson's good and now i'm just going to do what i want to do and bash my partner before we even get to the elimination like we still have a whole big step going into the elimination you could be possibly going in and i mean if everybody is telling tyson who is not afraid to throw anybody into the elimination i mean if everybody's coming up to him being like hey can you throw in leo we don't want to be partnered up with leo like do whatever you can and then he knows that sarah and ben are possibly talking behind his back so it's like yeah i'll do it if you if everybody is gonna have my back after this if this blows up in my face i'm cool with it kind of thing yeah i do think you're bringing up a good point there was an element of overconfidence from her and i think that you know if you're in her position why wouldn't you feel confident she just had that conversation with tyson prior to the daily where they talked about how survival was going to stick strong you know tyson did bring up a concern about ben and said hey has been coming for me so it sounds like the tyson bean thing is more for worry

21:31 Than sarah and tyson necessarily at this point and she says hey i can control ben i can i can keep him away from you let's steamroll this game this is a new game let's not worry about the previous game and i think that sarah also banked on the fact that she is one of the most physical women out there so she thought hey tyson wouldn't want to get rid of me because i could still be his partner in the future and why would he want to get rid of a strong potential partner on the female side so i think that gave her maybe a false sense of confidence as well going into this i also wanted to bring up here baby ice and the live saying the challenge needs rivalries and this looks like it'll be a good one and i agree with that because drew you know we watched the challenge season in and season out and a lot of what's happening in the main show now for me starts to feel a bit manufactured like most of these people have become friends and they're not true rivals they'll ham it up for the camera but there is something when it comes to raw authentic these people really do not like each other's guts and i think that what's happening here between tyson ben and sarah it's either gonna play out on the challenge usa season two if we get another season of tyson's happy to come back you know because i think sarah and ben i feel like they would probably do it unless they're really busy in their lives this could be really good in a future season for like a rival season i don't know if they will go over to the main show because i did hear something this week where shen shannon

22:51 From the season was asked to play in 38 but she declined because the compensation to go out there was less than what the cbs players get when they go and play did you hear about that i did not hear about that yeah so apparently that's why she said no oh okay well that's very interesting also speaking of the rivals going back to tyson's podcast he has a lot to say about both ben and sarah on that podcast he is not holding anything back like he just says whatever he wants i mean he's gonna get the clicks if he does but it's very spicy what he says about ben and sarah so i highly recommend it he goes on a long time and his co-host i can't remember her name but she does a spot on sarah impress impression on that podcast like absolutely like smashes it i loved it and it was really good it was a really good listen i'm gonna probably listen in on his podcast from here on out because i need to as well the guys the guy is made for tv made for podcasting made for whatever like put tyson on every single show that you can possibly put him on i mean who could not love the just dry sense of humor that he has and just how he approaches these games i really love it i do want to bring up a couple of comments here from george he said that i can pronounce it as george so i will do so in the future

24:12 He says also is sarah's celebration worse than laurel's celebration i'll give that one to you drew i remember laurel had a pretty bad celebration after the ninja elimination how would you rank that i mean you i think you have to say laurels is worse because she ended up going home at least sarah got to stay in the game and is gonna go on to play i think that laurels is a lot cringier because she went all out on ninja and then come to find out she lost so and she didn't get to come back into the game so i think it's clearly laurel lost that one yeah christina believes they're equal but i agree with you actually i think it's probably i think i think it's worse because laurel actually went by home but george also says here drew you should do a video about cringy celebrations after an elimination when is that something that potentially is in the works i got that one i thought that was a good video and then also sore losers was another good video that i thought was a good one to do a video on so i might do both of those clips somewhat soonish or maybe next month depending on what the projects i have in the works moving forward but i thought that was a really good suggestion i did see that in my comment section fairly recently yeah well baby ice is saying here tyson angela versus ben sarah booker and

25:32 It's very interesting how much angela's got tyson's back just based on that little bit of interaction they had because from my understanding they had no pre-existing relationship coming into this game they didn't know each other coming into it but i'm finding it interesting that angela is so drawn to tyson here and that she's like listen this is going to be hell when sarah comes back in the game but obviously i'm on team tyson she's firmly planting her flag there it's interesting how this has come to be a thing yeah well i think it's of course she would have tyson's back over ben and sarah because once she was partnered up with tyson at one point tyson keeps winning and she can win with tyson i don't think she's been partnered up with ben just yet and sarah's competition so i don't think she would ever want to have sarah's back she wants sarah out of the game probably asap because then her value as a partner goes way up also baby ice those are not equal tyson and angela have won five competitions together all together and then you have ben and sarah who ben keeps on getting second place in a lot of these competitions so i think that's crazy the amount of points that i have not gotten because of him just losing out every single time it's just like i'm weeping in my corner sitting in the corner but i guess i can't complain like i mean it could go worse right yeah i mean it could be worse yeah you could be

26:52 Con constantly going into the elimination and barely getting by but then again you're getting three points instead of no points getting in second place yeah true that dolores here also asks so predictions on who will be tyson's partner next week hmm i wonder i had that same thought i really hope that production does not screw this up and i hope that they don't put sarah and tyson on the same tribe or try survive the same team going as to the next one because i feel like we need sarah and tyson i know it would be funny to see them work together when they just had this massive go and she was showing him the kill sign and eating the turkey leg and tyson had no response to that could be interesting but i think it's more interesting to see the house divided and actually going after each other at this point with sarah saying that if we're going to war you want to be on my side and obviously tyson's got his warriors i want to see that clash rather than tyson and sarah being paired up together in this next round how about you i just think that it's gonna be tyson and sarah they're gonna have to make them work together tyson right now is giving them such good confessionals he's winning so much i just think that's overpowered if they're partnered up together this early in the game and i also think that wastes the tension that is on this season that happened this episode moving into next episode because if they're partnered

28:12 Together it's almost like when you and your sibling is like fighting with each other and then instead of separating you guys they make you like wear a belt around your arm and then you have to like be tethered to each other for the next like 12 hours and you have to work together and that kind of like squashes whatever beef because you have to work with each other and it kind of makes you work through your things to make have some sort of communication with one another if they separate them then there can still be this tension of like okay i can try to win to get him into the elimination and then tyson can try to win to either send them into the elimination again or just try to save himself so i'm hoping not that they're not gonna pair them up together because i think that's gonna be too powerful but i just feel like that's how the algorithm works nowadays so i just feel like that's how it's going to go yeah chris is saying just to sort of change subject there for a second saying that angela is drawn to tyson because of his long blonde hair reminds her tyler i have the same thought to be honest with you chris i'm like does she seem like tyson being like an older version of tyler and maybe that's sort of he's not as curly that's like the big difference yeah i think but yeah definitely drawn to him at this point also kaylee here saying that they do need to do a arrival season now there's so much beef especially off camera

29:32 That can help with building storylines and i mean from this season alone you've obviously got the very obvious tyson versus sarah one that's developing right in front of our eyes you can also say ben versus tyson to a certain degree at this point you know it could be cache versus sarah however they want to do it in the future but i think it's more the tyson being the nucleus of that and then obviously you've got this massive betrayal by the big brother alliance with alyssa and kylan pulling the move on x and also sean the previous one so you have got from the season alone already four five six rivalries that's just developed in this season would you say this is the reason that the season is so good because it is juicy seeing these new rivalries being created right in front of our eyes like i said and it feels authentic i think it's the rivalries but also like people are willing to take shots last season challenge 37 everybody was like why don't you take the shot why don't you take bigger shots at bigger competitors before we get to the finals why aren't you taking a shot at ct you're just throwing in rookies all the time and this could be so easily so boring to where people would be like i'm survivor strong i'm big brother strong i'm just gonna keep going with the status quo oh there's love island players and two people left early we'll just keep on throwing love island in until they're completely

30:52 Gone and i'll keep on throwing in amazing race players until they're completely gone we have back to back weeks of big brother taking shot at their selves and then we have survivor taking a shot at themselves and it's it makes for interesting tv when people take shots and they go i'm good enough i'll just work my way and try to get further into the game myself and hopefully my strategy my social skills moving forward can help me make up for the numbers that i might be losing in my quote-unquote alliance even though i don't feel like i can trust person a or person b so i think that's what's more the most thrilling to me is i was wondering what would happen after the xavier and shannon blindside will we still keep on seeing blindsides or will tyson just and the survivor players who keep on saying survivor strong just keep on bulldozing through these numbers now that big brother has taken some hits love island has taken some hits amazing race is only two players at this point and it's like all right well no they're willing to take shots at each other too and i think it's exciting it shows for some unpredictability even though the challenge edit editing team isn't trying to be subtle at all with the with their editing style no but i don't necessarily mind being included in how a vote comes together and how it plays out like i'm actually

32:12 Okay with that it doesn't bother me too much because we are kind of in on the vote you know i've always said i don't like being blindsided by the outcome of it necessarily myself they did leave a little bit of will they put who will they put in will it be ben will it be sarah you know before they actually did it and then obviously the explanation came from why ultimately sarah was the one who went in because the only thing that kept being safe here this round was the fact that justine was paired with him and obviously justine and cash their mates and they wouldn't want to see the other one go in there and i thought that cash played it as well as she could with tyson who's a very dominant personality and she obviously got her way and tyson was happy enough to compromise yeah also on tyson's podcast he mentioned that he never really wanted to throw in justine in saying that because justine was eligible for the finals once somebody was eligible for the finals tyson wanted to work with that person because one they're more apt to win than say somebody else who hasn't won already and second of all if he starts going after players who are eligible to run the finals that gives the green light to everybody that hey we can start throwing in anybody including the guy who has the most money in the house so he really didn't want to send in justine and ben at the end of the day on the podcast he did say that he wanted to throw in it was between derek

33:32 And kayla or sarah and leo and it was leaning towards derek and kayla for the longest time and i think that's where the storyline of where we see derek and kayla in the beginning of the episode talking about oh as long as we don't get last place we're not going to go in and then cut to where we have derek and kayla kind of talking to each other going like i think we might go in we have a shot of going in but we never heard their names actually come up and i was like why didn't we hear them come up if nothing really came out of that storyline it just seemed really out of left field including the dom and desi where i don't know who dom thinks he is thinking that he like he's on tyson undertaker he's like i'm the undertaker i'm just taking everybody down you know he's like the derek kozinski of back in the day you know just going in there and taking names it made no sense when he was like we're going in we're 100 going in where he's paired up with desi they're both survivor players like that was that would have been the dumbest move ever in my opinion and for him to be like we're a big enough threat that tyson would want to take the shot at us it's like no he's not even thinking about you all don't even worry about it don't even sweat about it but i do think that they had a good read kayla had a good read on yeah and we'll talk more about kayla in a bit but caledon good read because she's like why would he go after desi this is like one of the strongest females in the game like obviously he

34:52 Wants to pair up with this he's still because he hasn't been with her yeah i mean that's a really strong point and again it's two survivor players i'm i can see why he would send in leo and sarah especially if people are saying please take leo out and then he's like cool i can work with other people if i get sarah out here anyways like that's another survivor number but i'm sure i can make peace with danny with dom desi and then all the other players that i'm working with angela derek whoever else's he's working with it sounds like he's working with everybody come from his podcast so i think he's in a strong position and yeah kayla was reading that really well in the edit yeah chris here's saying kayla's queen now obviously chris you know i love kayla seeing her back on the screen there you know someone i've actually spoken to before they went on the challenge and seeing kayla play this strategic game where she has to put ideas into tyson's head about who to go for and even saying hey i'm gonna give you an olive branch we don't really talk game much i want that to change i want to talk more game to you that's a good move from her because tyson is currently the person with most of the power in the house he's winning most of the dailies he's kind of dictating the direction and a lot of these votes for people going into the arena why not become friends with the popular kid at this stage who's got all the power and the influence in the house so she goes there she says i'm going

36:12 To throw you one you know ben he is out there talking about the fact that you know he's not happy about you winning all of these different challenges but we don't understand it because he's also a survivor player so i think kayla really did a good job firstly keeping herself out of the arena here and now tyson i think will remember this and will know who his numbers would be moving forward in the game and it's someone that he can now work with going forward as well yeah and he also mentions that he that kayla wasn't the only person that was talking about ben talking about him behind it behind his back he did mention that danny and some other players were being like look ben is getting annoyed with you kind of thing so he is hearing this from more people and i think kayla was like the straw that broke the camel's back kind of thing where this is somebody outside of survivor who i don't know is telling me that she's hearing somebody in my own alliance talk about me and kind of get annoyed with me so maybe it's a good time to start splitting his numbers up and keep my numbers strong yeah welcome to the stream chateau how was your previous podcast thank you for jumping in of course oh my god everything's like backlogged so i did i was being interviewed by matt scott and

37:32 Pod friends for what was a podcast and that started late and ended late and so then i pushed this one if i was doing two episodes and so we had a lot to talk about and so i just got behind but i'm caught up now for the most part and i'm really happy to be here talking with you guys i was i was getting fomo when i heard that you guys were already talking about the sarah and tyson beef i was like i need to be here for this are you kidding me so i cut it short and i'm coming over right now we just dipped our toes into it yeah we've just dipped our toes in a lot of different things going into a lot of things but we're happy to circle back and bring some of that back up again so don't worry about it everything is still up for grabs here when it comes to what we're happy to talk about let's talk a little bit about the daily challenges because we haven't really spoken about the daily challenge at all at this stage it was a fun daily challenge where they had to go out swim 150 yards fun i don't know if they would say this was fun i think it was fun for us as viewers to see them being tortured out there and absolutely gassed and to see who was good at swimming and who was getting found out on the swimming part of this challenge but any case seeing this for me was very entertaining to watch because they had to go at 150 yards to the first point where they got their numbers from the buoys and then they had to swim another 75 yards which is crazy amounts of swimming here to go and get their combination from a barrel get their puzzle pieces and then swim that back and they had to do

38:52 It in two heats and absolutely crazy performance chantelle here from tyson because he had cash on his back and she was not like she said she's just living life right now because she can't swim and she won a swimming challenge based on how good of a competitor tyson is at these challenges well and he had a good strategy so the fact that she was like i'm just gonna lay here and be my little motor just kick my feet while tyson just like toes her along and so they had the right strategy down for him to be able to her to be able to do something that would help them be able to do well in this swimming challenge but she didn't even help them she actually hindered them on top of the fact that she can't swim i still don't understand what happened but i think sarah was telling me that she touched a barrel and the reason why because she touched the barrel that means that it wasn't their number so because she touched it they had to go back again and i was like cash like you can't swim you can't be making a mistake in the other parts of this challenge like what's going on here i was freaking out for cash i felt so bad because she was already an anchor no pun intended on this team and the fact that she the part that she should have been able to maybe help and excel in and maybe get them to move

40:12 Ahead a little bit quick more quickly she completely fumbled and touched it and made them have to go back and do an extra lap that it seems like nobody else had to do yeah i was it was hard work and you know had so for tyson for keeping us cool in that situation and not completely flipping out i think i think that i think that's the closest drew i've ever seen i mean we've seen tyson on a lot of shows but i think that's the closest i've ever seen him to actually being pissed off in one of these reality tv shows yeah so i need to i'm not going to listen to tyson's podcast before coming on here because i'm just going to keep on saying on tyson's podcast but on the podcast he did a little bit of it so i've heard some of it so don't worry i feel you he mentioned i've talked about like i've been giving like point by point bullet points on this podcast the whole time since you were gone he's like a walking advertisement for the tyson podcast at the moment he mentioned that he helped cashie get up she got onto the boat she slipped touched a barrel on accident and before he even got onto the boat that's when a producer came up to him and was like you got to go back you touched it which i guess means that you have if you touch it you have the intent to open it so tyson said he was more mad at the production team because he was

41:32 Like that's kind of bullcrap because what are you talking about like she didn't even open it we didn't even get to see it on the cameras because if you look at the thing it was like trying to flash over when it was saying so he was like we couldn't even see it i wasn't really even out of the water yet he said he was more men at the production team and so when they did win and he yelled he was yelling more so that production guy could hear him from wherever he was standing because he was so pissed at that guy for making them do that he said what i found was interesting is he said that him and only one other team was hit with a penalty from this from touching a barrel and that was enzo's team he said that they were the only other team that had to go swim back to their buoy and then come back everybody else was fine even he called out david because he said on the edit david was just touching every barrel and they never had to go back so that's where we see cache kind of open like doing the whole walking through the barrels with our hands up throughout the rest of the time which makes a lot more sense but yeah he said he was upset kind of re-watching it because he saw david and a lot of other people just touching barrels randomly like so he felt singled out at that point but they still well struggling at out here says i'm sorry but i don't believe she slipped and touched she must have been like actually touched something that just not fully opened it and the thing

42:52 With that is that if he wasn't fully up there to see what was happening then cash could have been like i only touched that when she maybe did a little bit more there you don't know what happened but they kind of showed us she didn't show it in the edit because like yeah they didn't catch it so a producer caught something and like what if she just went like to put her hands down just to like center herself and read it like i just i don't think touching a barrel should be a disqualifying factor because you could stumble you could trip like you like why is that like if you open it okay 100 i thought that she actually opened the wrong barrel like silly like stupidly and absent-mindedly or something like that just like opened a barrel but no if she just touched it like i think that's really unfair for that to be part of the rules that you can't touch a barrel that's not yours no you can't open a barrel that's not yours that makes sense to me i had been irritated if i was tested if she tripped that's even worse even trouble you're just in time never apologize whenever you jump in we're happy to have you here in the live with us also here taylor is saying that they appreciated the form and shannon's dive in the daily i don't think i saw this little moment there chantelle but talking about shannon you can comment on that but also i saw a little

44:12 Bit of news this week that shannon was asked to be on season 38 drew didn't know anything about this but she declined because the money for going there was less than the cbs show that's why she didn't go did you know anything about this or was this tea that i know that you guys don't know which is i think you're making up tea just to pretend like you have some tea because i don't think anybody in the chat has heard of this so i don't know where you get your sources from ignorance is bliss ignorance is bliss 100 there was an interview with her this week there was an interview that came up where she said she was asked to go back to 38 said no because the money wasn't as good so that was an interview that came out i'm going to go find and i'm going to share with you on instagram after this so you can see it but it's definitely i don't remember specifically shannon's died but now when i'm like going back because people keep on talking about her dive her die for diver dive and i didn't have a chance to go back and actually watch it but i think i remember her diving in it was a nice dive but she's with she was with enzo correct thank you fernando thank you i'm not lying about this fernando knows and because of this fernando i will answer your question about ben and tyson in a second but thank you for having my back and proving that i am

45:34 Is definitely on your team yeah he's a new co-captain with baby fernando hey baby ice was sleeping he didn't have my back on this one he was sleeping she was partnered up with kailyn by the way oh right yes i just i feel like i picture a diet that she did but i didn't i didn't log it into my memory like a lot of people have so i don't remember fully sorry now fernando's asking me here chris who do you prefer ben versus tyson you might not have my back after this now i'm just joking i love tyson i love ben both if you have to put a gun to my head say choose between the two it'll have to be tyson but because of that it doesn't mean i don't like ben i thought you just put a gun you just aim it up then jeez we do not promote that type of stuff here no of course not i don't want anybody [Music] [Laughter] she had a little bit too much pre-workout before she got into that arena it's all it's all that happens there uncomfortable it's not fun to watch so yeah so i mean obviously there's another win here for tyson so tyson gets three daily wins now so far he's the front runner the person that seems to be getting all of these wins going forward

46:55 Chantel do you think that there is anybody that can stop tyson or we just seeing probably one of the most dominant wins in the challenge playing out in front of our eyes in a very long time well a lot of people have been talking about like if tyson wins the game this was the most predictable boring season ever i'm still enjoying the journey though i think that if he ends up winning i think it will be the most like amazing season ever in the sense that like how the heck did he do it like he's been just so well-rounded at so many different things with most of the partners that he's had he's able to win dailies he says on his podcast that he made he you know he what was the word he used with the algorithm he was able to override the algorithm by making a deal with the people that have won some money that let's not come for each other so that if we don't if we don't do that we just take people out that don't have money then people won't start attacking us so you know he made that deal with these people so he still is playing the game and insulating himself he should be thrown in there every single time that he doesn't have power but he has still been playing the game to be putting himself in a good position so i don't think that it's been that predictable because of the fact that like he's

48:15 Playing the game so well and i want to see him win i want to see that journey to see if he can actually do it because now i'm seeing like will they be able to take him out will they be able to get like beat him in the end i want to see that journey so i don't think it's that predictable and even if it is a little bit i'm enjoying it yeah i don't think i don't think it's predictable i would think it's like well earned especially if he wins like two or three more daily challenges and is able to win i mean him and kyland are the only two guys eligible for tj's final right now and it's we're five episodes in five episodes and only two guys have won daily challenges that's insane that is insane i mean we don't see that very often these days like i feel like it's quite split between who actually wins the dailies in most seasons so to see this kind of dominant performance it is impressive troubled kills here says have you guys seen all tyson versus og tweets that are out there and i've gotta be honest like i've tried to stay off twitter when it comes to the challenge because geez man like spoilers are everywhere on twitter when it comes to the challenge you gotta you gotta try your best not to run into one of those things out there are you aware chantal or drew about these tweets that tyson are having is he having shots at the ogs you talked about them last week didn't you i've talked about these tweets

49:35 We i think we brought them up i know mark said hold my beer when tyson said something about like if i were to go toe-to-toe against the ogs that they might have more strength on him but he could outlast them especially with his endurance and then wes got involved in the conversation as well like western west changed his bio on twitter saying he's the best pickleball player in the world when tyson has i'm i am pickleball in his bio so he took shots that way it's funny yeah i think it's fun like it's great to have these rivalries and we spoke about this quite a bit chateau before you came on you know rivals to me and a lot of the main show these days seem manufactured a lot of these people have friends so they're like ah i hate you in the game like you know a couple of seasons ago when devin and tori were rivals before they became riot or dies or started being in the same alliance again you know i don't feel like it's true rivalries these days where we're seeing new rivalries being formed here on the challenge usa you've got kyland that with alyssa ended up taking a shot at x taking a shot at shan you've got on the other side now the tyson versus sarah this has been faction that's developing it seems like we're getting a really good amount of rivalries here that can carry over into

50:55 The usa 2 or usa 3 season or even more so a rivalry between the two shows i would love to see like these shots being fired yes let's get the cbs crew fighting it out with the main show because guess what the main show has got a lot of experience playing this game and if you disrespect them and you get some of those big hitters on a season with them things are going to happen it's going to be exciting and i do want to see can tyson hold it up with the likes of a west with the likes of bananas with the likes of work no probably right like he's i don't know he's i've have so much faith in tyson knowing the best strategy to get himself to the end and so i think that he would realize that wes could be the person that he would want to maybe team up with in order to be able to have him on his good side and get to the end so i would love to see what they did maybe they could do like an all-stars versus main show versus usa and have those three shows kind of competing against each other that could be kind of interesting i love the fighting i think it's great give me the rivals i would love to see i'd love to see tyson and wes as on a rival series give it to me i want to see tyson versus bananas i'll take that too yeah the clash of the clash of the egos you know like it was in there you know it would be

52:15 A good season and i think there's some more heavy hitters you can pull into this that are not even part of this usa season one this time that could really add a little bit of spice for this in the future now chantelle i want to move on to some of the strategy talk one of the weirdest segments for me in this game is like obviously this thing's been going on between cinco and you know cash has been dragged out throughout this whole season it's a big part of the story line we all know the love stuff i'm not really the biggest person for that you and drew i heavily rely on you on this but when it comes to the strategy side of it here cinco having a chat with aza before they go in there to say hey let's not give them anything because clearly cash is gonna use that against us i just think it was such a big misread i think cash really wanted him to stay in the game she would have helped them if she could and it was just weird and awkward to see them in this chat having a chat together if tyson wasn't there to make it funny with the popcorn chat it would have been really awkward to watch and i just don't understand the gameplay it's really dumb we saw in episode i think it was two or one of the episodes where i was like oh it seems like cinco doesn't understand the strategy of this game because he was saying like oh we should throw down like a big guy that like or somebody that's really strong and james i think it was like no we're probably gonna be going in they're not gonna go

53:35 And throw in someone strong and i was thinking like you know you don't want to necessarily throw in the strong people because then you become one of the strong people that they want to throw in and so you kind of want to target people that are not you and so that was my first inclination that he is not going to be a strategic mastermind here and he also hasn't had any power so he hasn't had to make any real decisions he's only kind of been involved in drama and seeing drama play out so when he's having this conversation with aza we also know yes she understands strategy and we like i've she's watched a lot of these shows so she's watched a lot of big brothers so she understands the strategic elements of the game but she doesn't understand how to put herself into a good position in the game or she would rather just say yes and do what this guy says as opposed to carving out her own strategy or putting her own opinion forward so no wonder what she wasn't gonna put any give any pushback to be like hey no that's dumb like let's decide our future here like let's have a say in our fate and if we don't want to give cash any sort of ammunition hey let's maybe say somebody else that would maybe lead them to another way like they could be still strategic about getting what they want and so i definitely thought it was a missed opportunity

54:56 For the fact that if in order for her to use it against you she has to you have to be in the house or it doesn't matter right like it doesn't actually matter exactly i'm thinking that they must have just thought that the two choices that they were going to do most likely were going to be alyssa and david or kayla and derek those are the choices that maybe they just thought that those are who they're most likely going to be going against so we'll just let them decide between those two because we don't want to ruffle any feathers and we don't want cash to have any ammunition but they also didn't realize that if they don't say who they want or they don't want that then they won't get either necessarily that they that also opens up for them to be like oh you don't want either those you don't care who you want well then we'll do who we want which is what they said they're like oh do you know what who that leaves it open to everyone and so i think it was a complete missed opportunity for whatever petty drama like i was like what are you even talking about like why is she gonna use this against you like she wants you in the villa and you sorry ego but you're gonna have to grovel to her to get what you want in order to stay and so his ego got in the way realizing yes he might be a fan of the challenge but he's kind of in like the popcorn muscle

56:16 Category of not really knowing the strategic side of it and yeah i don't think he's actually long for this world even though he really wants to be on the challenge because this was a floppy flop bad yeah do you think there's any hope for him if he was to come back chantelle that he could change his game or was this just cinco one point 101 he would look at this season and say ah you know i've learned absolutely nothing coming into a future season do you endorse a return for cinco he can come back but he needs to have a partner like depending on what this like the series is going to be about but if he had a partner that was found strategically and strong physically so he can get some power and understand like learn how to use the power that he has and use strategy i think that maybe he has a shot because i don't think he's a dumb guy but i think that he doesn't understand the strategy of these games because he came from a love show and so i'll give him a second shot but i would want him to be working with someone that's just that is strategic so cachet mentioned on the un the official podcast of the channel's official podcast that they had not been speaking with each other for a couple of days at that point they were at that point where they were like tired of each other and they hated each other so i think

57:36 That plays a factor into why he didn't want to say anything also cashe mentioned that the week that tiffany was being sent into the elimination that cinco actually wanted to volunteer to be sent into the elimination against james and kayla because he wanted to go in there he wanted to prove something he also wanted to save tiffany and cashe kind of like put her foot down saying no that's not going to happen this is your dream don't put yourself in an unnecessary risk type of thing so once tiffany had left then they stopped talking to each other that he said she said that there was like this like stuff of he felt manipulated by her that he felt like they could have won in that elimination and now he's out tiffany he's out a player in this game and so he didn't want say like he goes into the elimination he comes out and he back into the game now whatever he says could be used against him but he has to come back into the game first well but he's thinking that he's trying to think two steps ahead of like if i do come back into the game she can use it against me when they're gonna do whatever they're gonna do anyways and even tyson says on the podcast that they could have said whatever names we're going to make the final decision so they could have sent us whatever he also said that cinco and him had a conversation

58:56 After deliberation and cinco told him personally who he would want to go up against so he took that into consideration but ultimately he did whatever he was going to do no matter what so i don't think it was a joke here you know what i mean but i was like hey but i don't think it was a dumb move i think there was some intent to it but there was a point where cachet did say that she really wanted him in this game like push comes to shove she still cared for him he she knew that this was big for him he just took it a different way at that point and there was a lot of mixed signals i think and it was the whole thing about this episode was it's complicated let's just throw that in there like that beginning scene of them talking in the gym it could have just been labeled it's complicated and then we could have been off onto the daily challenge that's how i felt like it could have been read at that point so i don't hate it but i do think that he could have sent out a name and it wouldn't have mattered anyways but yeah i fully endorse cinco coming back he could politic he can have fun do his thing hookups and then maybe smash without cash so i'm cool with seeing him on the main season of the challenge without cash or with cash because there's someone that said that he'll probably be in an exit season if that happened i feel like to get a fun cinco we need to see him without cash because then he's really going to let loose i think that he was probably even like

1:00:17 Cash felt like he was flirting too much he was doing too much but i feel like he probably did hold himself back as much as he could with her being around if she's not there i think that he will be politicking a lot more compared to what we even saw this season i mean i'm cool with the next season i want to see another exit season at some point like that would be great to see let's go back to an x's two three two three yeah three it was a three not four let's do x's three why haven't we gotten into that yet so i would like to see that well i don't care if cash comes in but let's have fun so what's been floating the ig webs is seeing all the people that people have dated so it has fessy and it has like i don't know like 16 women that he's dated since hayley and so there would be a lot of basically just keeps winning doesn't he they did fessy they did nani and i friend with the other person that they did like all the people that they've been dating on this channel ashley is it ashley okay i don't remember but i mean maybe they're trying to gear up like be like hey producers there's a lot of x's floating around there like and if you can put some people that have crossover x's that could be really good and messy i'm on producers so i would take a nexus season with cash and cinco except

1:01:37 Cash can't swim and so i just i would want them to be still a strong duo if they were coming back on a nexus season i don't want them to be angry at each other and suck like i want them to be good so chris is calling out chantel for bringing up the f word here on the podcast you know chantal secretly loves him she just doesn't want to admit it the i love the fact that he's a libra i love libras so there we go all right well going on into this episode here we ultimately gonna we're going to see after kayla does some really good work shifting a target away from her i don't know if you wanted to comment on that if you were on the podcast when we started talking about that but i thought kayla had a really good episode and how she strategized got close to tyson show tyson hey i could be a number for you here so you know who do you want to work with you want to work with the people that are in power we see that every single season i think it's a little bit of her experience of maybe being a challenge fan where you see some of these players like your bananas your waist your cts those players that normally have the power in the game you want to work with them if you want to go deep in the game and she found her niche here where she found her spot where she could add value to tyson's game and i think tyson will not forget this so i was very impressed by her keeping herself off the block and also

1:02:57 Throwing ben and sarah under the bus in this episode i love anybody using in conversations that they had or what they know about somebody to their advantage like i don't like necessarily spreading things just to spread them and to create drama and chaos in that way but like it's intentional that she's like i'm going to give this piece of information to this person because i want to start having a gaming relationship with this person because i see that he's often in power and i was just with them but we didn't end up winning the challenge so i still i didn't get an opportunity to strategize with him and start to gain that strategic relationship with him so i thought it was amazing she nearly got her mvp for the episode because it was awesome that she was able to say enough for him to completely focus on ben and sarah keep his eyes off her eyes his eyes off of her and derek and now potentially gain some trust within tyson as in like hey i'm gonna bring you some like information that is helpful for your game i could be useful to you so i think it was a great move i'm i love seeing anybody strategizing and like using information to their benefits so thumbs up for kayla almost mvp of the episode yeah i also wanted to add another thing here before we go into

1:04:17 Who actually goes into the elimination and that is sarah working against herself here in the challenge myself and drew spoke about this but she goes around and tells all the different girls that you know how bad leo is like i struggle with him yes he was bad yes he climbed on her back and she was basically swimming with him on her back all the way through this challenge which wasn't a good look but she basically just made the sales case for why they wanted leo to be in the elimination and go home do you think this is maybe just sarah's game being slightly off and she still hasn't fully grasped the difference in the challenge compared to survivor here where she is attached to this player right now she can't throw them under the bus because she's effectively throwing herself this round under the bus when she doesn't have to worry about leo in the future because she's already partnered with him so there's no benefit in bad-mouthing him to all these other girls exactly and i think that it is that she kind of doesn't know the show that she's on because on survivor if you have someone on your tribe that is pulling the tribe down and not you know pulling their weight and is making you lose challenges like yeah okay everybody can gang up on them and like vote them out and it could be a unanimous vote out because you know they want to win future challenges and so she's using that same strategy except she's attached to him and so it's like they're tethered together and you're voting

1:05:37 Out somebody that you don't like that's helping you it's making you lose things but if he goes you go and so i think that she must have just like had a like a brain further strategy or something overconfident over maybe overconfident or maybe really thought that like oh tyson's in there like he's survivor strong like there's no way he's gonna throw me in here now i still don't understand why he she needed to go around and just completely badmouthed it like leo like it's already over you already sucked you didn't lose like you're you think you're not going in so like why do you need to still continuously talk about how terrible he is they get it like and somebody else is going to be paired with them next week and if they want to send them out they can send them out next week don't give them ammunition to do it when you're tethered to him so i thought it was i thought it was very bad a fan of sarah gameplay all right well we go into the elimination here you would have been very happy to see sarah being thrown into this elimination with her boy leo gone up against cinco and aza it is an elimination where they have to collect all of these i forgot what they called it but it's these film reels there we go they had to collect film reels they were all different sizes they were four different sizes they had to go into this very dark container

1:06:57 Memorize the order that the film reels were built and then they had to like replicate it on their platform outside of it very early on here we see that sarah and leo have got a great strategy by measuring it with their fingers to figure out what they could do in the dark to figure out which is the smallest and the biggest numbers they were ahead of cinco and other who just seem to be a little bit frazzled and they don't communicate well it seems to be a thing with cinco that he doesn't really communicate and as a i think someone that don't really like to take charge and prefers to have someone take lead she didn't know how to become the leader in this group to get them through this challenge so it was a case of not communicating while getting frazzled and then sarah at least keeping her cool with leo while she was in the challenge so she could perform at the time that she needed to i really just i think that sarah was the right choice and like i was just so happy to see her being thrown in there i love the fact that she was so shocked i loved seeing like everybody's face being so shocked that tyson actually did it i was really frustrated though with the fact that aza and cinco were so bad because like if they're gonna make this big move like i was i wanted them to

1:08:17 Be able to take them out and i think that cache probably felt as though cinco was gonna be able to take them out with most baby physical things and just be able to like throw around ozza if they needed to prop her up or you know flinger she's light and you know it was something that was really muscle heavy that they would be able to pull through a win potentially but the fact that they didn't seem to have a strategy and leo came up with an excellent strategy and he also waited for them to go into the container so that they can see could not see the strategy that they developed and you know they were able to win pretty seamlessly and i was just like hoping i'm like maybe they made a mistake they can't be putting this easily right they can't they made a mistake and they're gonna have to figure out which film canister feel real that they did wrong and then cinco and as are gonna win right that's what's happening right because everybody's like looking you see angela like oh my god we see cash like oh my god like are they going to come back like oh my god so and i was like no i can't go this way and then it went this way i was just so annoyed i mean it's obviously gonna create some drama back at the house it's funny it's funny because i was so excited i was like the exact opposite to you i was like yes sarah go out there win this leo get back in the game we need you guys to go up against tyson needs like for the show i think it's amazing that she came

1:09:38 Back we spoke about this a little bit earlier that i don't think sarah is doing really well at the confessional side of things i don't think she comes across as well i don't think the celebration came across there great either but we'll talk about that in a little bit what's your thoughts on this illumination as a whole here drew where were you sitting on it from me being very excited to see sarah and leo mix things up and bring drama to the house and chantelle wanting boring tv with cinco is not getting better no no before you go into that drew what i wanted is for sarah to suck and to have that moment where she has to lose to aza basically and lose to sync because she's like things like i'm teasing you i know what you made i know but i'm still going to defend myself and so i just wanted to see her eat crow like i just wanted to see that moment like obviously it's like insa it's hysterical the insanity that ensued after with her biting off turkey leg is what tyson thought it was but i thought it was like a bat like ozzy osbourne when he bit the bat on the stage so that's what i thought she was doing biting off a bat because i feel like she listens to heavy metal and then slitting throats and i do think it's gonna obviously create more interesting

1:10:58 Drama coming back we wanted this kind of interesting drama with the xavier shan thing so we're gonna get it here with this these people so i'm fine with the drama after i just wanted her to be humbled and have that look of like i suck face i just i wanted that for a moment i did okay floyd's rescue sorry no don't sit on all this i was intrigued i loved the blind side but once i heard the instructions and then saw the strategy that sarah and leo was implementing i knew that they had this a hundred percent i don't think you can go into an elimination with better strategy like it just seemed like they knew what the elimination was gonna be they already had like a they had like it pinpointed like they had all the names of the eliminations and was like okay when it comes to this one this is the strategy we're gonna use type of thing because it just seemed like they were so calm cool and collected they took their time they weren't even worrying they weren't rushing i mean we even got the stare down from sarah when leo was trying to put up the last two and she was just like yeah it's happening it's just like all right calm down please it just stunk because i really like cinco i wanted to see him go further into the game and see what he could do

1:12:19 But i knew that sarah and leo was gonna win this thing so i kind of tempered my expectations and they did they won i was not ready for that celebration but the cringiness of it i even love the cringiness of it you know why because it adds to the show it adds to the flavor of the show and it gives us his fans something to talk about on these podcasts denita here has got a really interesting comment she says i kind of wish that this episode was on the mtv because apparently sarah's celebration and the post-elimination bus ride home was spicy we have we have loved to see all of that we would have loved to have seen all of that so we may have missed out on that hopefully we get a little bit of that in the house next time as well because i feel like the gloves are off now it is the survivor's civil war that is starting right now chantal and we know survivor players do not play around when they backstab and blindside people so i feel like this game is going to go up a couple of points on the richter scale when they get back to the house now moving forward and i love seeing that well so what do you think that the algorithm is going to do the one thought that i was having that it wasn't necessarily going to be a civil war as in like a survivor going at each other and attacking from within like and i didn't that wasn't the way my head first went to

1:13:39 I first went to that they're gonna have to stay civilized within the war that they're having against each other and that being that sarah being paired with tyson because that would be karma she we know she said i don't want that's that's the boom and then ben and angela are like having at a standstill but we could get a moment where sarah and tyson maybe win and they have to come to an agreement or if they have to throw themselves into elimination or something to that nature so i'm not sure what's gonna happen but i'm wondering if that is a potential outcome so what are your thoughts i don't know yeah for me first i'll go first before drew you jump in and have your own thoughts on that peering i think that's what production is gonna do i want to see sarah and tyson be together immediately after this no i want them to go head-on against each other production might want that to happen because tyson's been such a superstar and he could be in a very dangerous spot right now due to the move he just pulled off that didn't fully pay out for him so i think that we could see that configuration but that's the most boring outcome for me personally yes there will be some fun because they have to find a way to work together but let's see these two juggernauts go head-to-head right now because i don't think sarah is going to be afraid to throw tyson in and to go for him directly because he just came at her directly and i don't think sarah's gonna sit back and just take this

1:14:59 Lightly she said that she felt disrespected by him doing that and i think that she said you know if you go to war you want to be on my side not tyson's side she threw a lot of shade some of them were interesting you know saying tyson played four times and only one once she's played three times only one once it's not that big of a difference sarah and nobody enjoys her like other than chris is like her only fan and like and not only onlyfans.com like her only fan and everybody loves tyson like who is she going to get on her side like she doesn't have anybody other than ben that is super supporting her at this point right like who does she have maybe desi i don't know i think desi would go with like other people where the where the numbers were unless sarah has power i just don't see her being able to take a shot at tyson we won't see repeat partners danita because sarah and tyson have not partnered desi and tyson if not part of i don't think tyson has partnered with many survivor if any survivor players at this stage it's mainly been big brother love island i think at this stage but anyways what's your thoughts drew on the whole algorithm what's the ideal world for you for best tv next week going into it is it for them to be paired together to be separated how do you think this is gonna shake up i mean i think honestly it would be better to be separate

1:16:20 And separate all of them all three of them away from each other but of course they're gonna put tyson and sarah together we saw that when justine where we had sally lose and justine was like pissed at tyson and then they were paired up together and in five seconds they were all happy to be partnered up with each other and then they were doing their thing in one and then we had the same thing with dom and angela after they he was thrown in and was like i want my revenge on angela and then it's like oh well you'll be partnered up with each other so i mean it's gonna be the same song and dance as the author algorithm is i mean tj wants to keep on putting the scriptures on it of it being perfect and random and spectacular and supercalifragilisticexpialidocious but come on now there's a guy named dave behind the algorithm kind of like the wizard of oz screen just like doing this and then writing names on a on two index cards saying like oh yeah they had beef with each other this episode and then spit it out kind of thing so yeah i mean it's going to be predictable looked like you wanted to say something there no i was just like thinking that like whether or not they're going to do that or not like if they do not do that what would be the other the other combinations that they would do

1:17:40 Yeah i'm actually asking like what would be a better combination of people yeah i mean because i'm not sure exactly i should have come in here prepared to know who is definitely lined up with who i guess or who has been together i think have not someone has some i can i'll send you some over while you're looking that up i'm just gonna answer this one question here in the live troubled cools asking do we get to ask you guys how you feel about the speculated cast of the challenge australia i have seen a speculated cast for challenge australia recently leaked it was slightly different to the cast list that i had on hand which i'm not allowed to talk about i would be interested to see who of those people actually will be on the challenge australia and who isn't and which list is the most up-to-date one i will definitely do a bit of talk about that later on the channel i'm sure drew and then will do their homework in regards to that as well obviously being that they're from australia there's a few of them that i know from these shows that they've done in australia so i kind of feel like i'm going to be leaned on here to be the knowledgeable person from the australian side but there again there's a lot of love shows on this thing and i don't watch love shows so i'm a little bit out when it comes to that yeah i've dabbled a little bit into who was like a part of the supposed cast list but right now they

1:19:00 Say they only departed on july 31st so it's very new they're still in quarantine and right now i think there's 14 women on the list that is being put out there and 10 men only and somebody already got dropped so i'm waiting until we see some form of an elimination or an indication that the game has started before i do anything any major research into anything because i'm not going to be researching 30 something people and then come to find out 15 of them are false or just rumored out there from some random podcast or whatever so we'll see oh i'm gonna make a video on it just waiting for some hard facts i've watched so did you get is lucky on it i can't remember who i've seen lucky's not on it the so i don't know how much i can talk about but yeah there's a few survivor players that i can confirm that i've seen i mean there's not many survivor players so it's kind of pretty obvious i'm pretty sure brooks on it i'm pretty sure that john is on it as well but the one the guy with the with the with the mullet long hair yeah the mullet yeah so he's on it i'm pretty sure those two are on it the person that i saw somewhere and i don't know if this made it to the speculator cast that people were saying is on it as

1:20:20 Luke toki if that is the case i'm shocked because my understanding was that luke toki wasn't on it but i could be wrong about that maybe they did adam maybe they added him last minute i don't know if that's the case they made a really good decision if they did adam because he should be on it oh i did hear tim i saw sam here in the chat saying tim i heard tim was going to be on yeah he's a late edition so he wasn't in the original list but he after this latest big brother vip in australia he was such a big hit again obviously he was a big brother canada as well you probably remember him from back then but he was such a big hit again on australian survivor that a lot of the strategy side i think i haven't seen the whole thing but i've kind of heard the outcome so he was definitely a star of the season that i've seen i've seen half of it is that what is this oh the troubled curls replied to sam saying that he was dropped along with tully all right yeah totally was fun man like she was telling me to tell you she's from i speak on australia as well right yes she was a lot of fun in her season so that's sad because i would have loved to have seen her on it the challenge australia is overlapping with heroes versus villains australian survivor so like a lot of good cast members

1:21:40 Are not on this because they're currently going to be forming the euro system's villain season and 12 returnees are going back so because of that i think it kind of dipped into some of the people that we could have seen but yeah did you get chantal that interesting to see and then drew if you can start getting the points ready for us on the draft picks we'll probably go into that straight after this so i'll do a quick share screen on who we still currently have in our teams this might be useful in any case as you talk through who tyson haven't been partnered so fast until so yeah so it seems like tyson's eligible partners are still desi kira sarah and shannon interesting so out of those the best tv they'll think is sarah they'll i've just i think we all know it's probably going to be anticlimactic they're going to put them with sarah in this next round going into this obviously we lose two players this week here so aza sadly from chantal's team and she takes a double hit with cinco also being removed from the team a little bit closer there to drew now and the amount of people that you've got left in the game

1:23:00 And for the first time i'm in very unfamiliar territory here guys i'm not used to having halfway through the season the most players still in my team normally i've only got two or three players left by this time so it's a bit of a unfamiliar to unfamiliar territory for me at this stage drew how are we looking with the points y'all are looking good both of you guys are looking great just put it in perspective of how my draft is going if both of your teams got zero points this week i would still be in third place let's just say that so getting a total and i mean a total and this is with leo going into elimination and getting more confessionals with a total of 13 points earned this week i go up from 117 to 130 so i am comfortably in third place right now chris i double checked i rechecked i triple checked you are in second place this week so you go up a total of 28 points and so you went from 140 to 168 your leading score is kyland with 29 points but you also have sarah with 28 points and then alissa with 27 total points so you're doing pretty good with that trio right there and chantelle you are number one yet again going

1:24:21 Up a total of 46 points you go from 136 to 182 and it's because tyson you're getting like double points every time tyson wins you have their partner you have his partner so did you have the list until you're truthful but she didn't win with tyson did you have like do you know more than us this is what i'm asking no i know i don't i don't i like i wish i did but no i don't i didn't so whatever you want was out first that's the only thing that i had really known everybody else i kind of didn't really know but how they did sorry your leading scorer of course is tyson with 44 points and then cache is your second leading scorer with 37 points so 182 168 and 130 and that is the news all right the news chantal you're killing it this season with the points doing really well as long as you can hold on to those players moving forward i think you're in a pretty good spot but i've got to say angela is getting confessionals when she doesn't need to get confessionals you know tyson's doing really well he's being tyson this season and dominating so i'm really fearful that you might have the guy and girl champion team and i will say that would be a formidable

1:25:41 Team if they go into a finale so i feel very bullish on those then desi is potentially a silent killer but we just don't get to see much of her even though for those people who have never watched the challenge the edit is very different you don't really get a classical winner's edit like you would get in survivor so it sometimes can be hard to predict who's actually going to win the show and then for my team you know i am still feeling pretty comfortable with kylan being a silent killer really performing while obviously getting all those points for me at this stage and then i think sarah is gonna be tough to take out and now that there is a fire underneath sarah we're gonna see her come out to play to win this thing and go hard so those are the two players for me on my team that i'm heavily relying on at this stage drew how do you feel about your team currently and your prospects you seemed quite down coming into this thing but you're still getting kicking points every single episode you get those kiki points it's just really tough having only three players on my current team who are actually still in the game so it's just really difficult i mean danny it gets at least one confessional to mention kiki justine is queen right now of the game and my team and leo finally showed up so yeah the other two are missing and irrelevant i'm gonna be putting wanted posters out for david and kira to do something because they have gone

1:27:01 Done nothing they have done nothing at all in this game since the very beginning so yeah i warned you that she was boring remember i said that i'm like she's a snooze i mean i mean i'm not even worried about her at least she's getting like at least one confessional david had like what three confessions for like five episodes this is ridiculous absolutely ridiculous david where are you even when he won he only had six confessionals in the whole dang episode leo only had four confessionals this episode and he had he had something going on i mean people were saying catfish and making stupid cat puns that sucks man yeah good love you i wonder what you think here drew because tj he does talk about the fact that you know certain players that he really thought were great so he mentions alyssa he mentions tyson he mentions danny even he mentions he doesn't mention sarah is my point and so this says to me that she must not win the civil war like she might i just don't understand why she isn't seen as a bigger player or somebody that is gonna do well in the season

1:28:21 When she you know she's coming with all this vigor and them to this back into the house and like she's so angry and civil war karma's a [ __ ] and all this stuff she must flop because wouldn't cj be like oh yeah she's definitely bringing some fire to the seas like i don't know i feel like we would hear more about her if she gets it to the final but we're only hearing about like angela and alyssa and danny and tyson and i would feel like those four people probably get to the final and that's why he's talking so highly of them so yeah wouldn't surprise me i actually saw something recently where somebody put a picture of who tj was talking about and i do remember seeing sarah was on there i do remember seeing ben danny tyson alyssa i do i do think you mentioned sarah but after seeing some of the people that he named i question if tj is too close to the challenge to really know what's good for the challenge at this point so i'm looking at you tj conspiracy guys just like skeptically like maybe don't make the best decisions dj hmm well apparently he doesn't make any decisions he just shows up and gets the script and talks that's what he says he doesn't make decisions and the challenge is different to survivor where jeff has got all the power right when it comes to it sam does ask a question here

1:29:41 He says who would you cross off from not winning right now who do you think will have no chance at this stage of winning well i think david like if we if we don't take david into consideration who else kira i just don't see them like there's not a lot of people that are left in the game that are qualified to run the final right it's like definitely not that many men the only men are kyland and sing and tyson at this point right every no mother man is qualified to run yet i'm at the women it's justine angela alyssa that's it right nobody else is qualified oh and cache and so i don't know i just don't know how many of more people are going to be winning because they are cutting out the wheat people which means that the less strong people won't necessarily be able to beat the stronger people so they might keep the rich richer you know top four men for me at the moment and anybody that's not in the top four is not winning this tyson danny ben and kylan those are the top four men in the game for me personally still left for women anybody that's not in the top four not winning this season top for women for me at this stage is going to be angela sarah desi and

1:31:04 Kayla or alyssa i don't know maybe top three like i'll go in the top three like i don't i feel like the others it's too hard to predict but i think sarah angela and daisy are the three justine could get in there she's just so under edited like you know if she was to win this she's qualified though right so that is true yeah i'll call it and this is underedited as well so i'll call out some names i don't think derek's gonna win i don't think david i don't think alyssa i don't think cashe enzo kira and kyland and dom and leo that's who i don't think is going to win chris calling me out of my bias for the survivor place i can't help but chris i love to survive a place like she i don't know what her voice sounds like she hasn't really had that many confessionals for you to be like desi is so much more prominent than justine has some big evidence she just has so much promise but then justine has also done really well and actually like listen i would love for cash to win based on the edit i'd love for cash to it i mean can you imagine cash winning this whole thing saying yeah i'm just living my best life i can't swim but i won the challenge i would love that i would love that story cash is my favorite from this season by the way from all the newbies that i'm newbies for me i

1:32:24 Absolutely love cash like her personality is a superstar we should get on to the main show but they need to pay people more to go to the main show moving forward apparently so what i was what the i was showing you was like the actual list that people had of who hasn't been paired with people left yet so enzo still has to work with justine angela kayla and shannon kylen still has justine desi kira and cashe to work with ben still has angela desi sarah shannon and cachet so he has some good people to still work with for sure or maybe this could be ben and sarah together versus tyson and somebody else maybe they'll do that david still has desi sarah shannon and cashier to work with oh and angela oh who's that i think and he's gonna be paired up with next week who sarah that'd be good kira oh really i think so no kyra's no kyra's not he's been he must have been paired up with him she's not on this list angela desi sarah shannon and cashe are who seemingly if this is correct haven't been paired up with so david and sarah would be kind of funny because like she's so hates being with people that

1:33:44 Aren't as amazing as she is yeah you just want sarah to be gone yesterday at this point so you're like just throw it in there with anybody that's going to be an anchor at this stage in the game who they didn't have everybody but justine's eligible people are kyland danny derek and enzo so two pretty decent partners she still has left to go with sarah still needs to be could be partnered with tyson danny ben dom or david so tyson's the most interesting great like it was like that would be no you think i mean if you look at it that way who's left like who she has left to be to be partnered with unless they put her with ben and i think that would be more boring because then they both could be out if they wanted if they wanted that so i think that wouldn't necessarily be great if sarah and danny are together and then they win that could be interesting but who would tyson be with tyson and desi that could be amazing interesting just while you bring that up danny was interested in this episode because he was having real close one-on-one chats with both sarah and tyson and he looked buddy with both of them so i'm kind of wondering where he sits on this whole thing with tyson and sarah going after each other because tyson kind of gave him a heads up that this was going to be his move and he was going to go after sarah and he did not give sarah the heads up either so

1:35:04 Where is he in this whole thing i feel like he's team tyson for the fact that he says that's how we do it in survivor if we can't come for you we go for your right hand man or something to that extent and so that to me says that he respects what tyson's doing and he doesn't mind he's not going to give any push back there so to me it seems like he was more team tyson and it was okay with the snipe maybe he doesn't like ben maybe he doesn't like sarah maybe he doesn't like both of them but it seemed like he was siding with tyson for wanting to take out ben's right hand man i will say if danny loses this thing if he makes it to the final somehow i mentioned this to drew earlier today like we found a weakness in his armor like he can't swim well like he's not a bad like he's not i mean probably swim better than me but he can't swim well you know what i mean like he was really being found out on this challenge i think when that part came on when you look at the other top men that we just mentioned so i think that could be a potentially accurate hill from the technology which isn't bad yeah it's decent but i think the people who beat i think the people who beat them were like twice i know tyson got there last but tight only got their last pick or like seven for something because of cash but he's probably a better swimmer than danny i think ben was ahead of him how did where did kylan finish hold on i'll tell you the order because third ben was

1:36:24 Third right yeah i'm pretty sure he was third i'm gonna watch until i follow that cowboy head everywhere because he's supposed to be getting because he needs to give me points he's in my team so i follow him you know i'm like where's ben in this challenge i mean he's not the worst but like the fact what did he do this episode to upset you chantelle tell me this is your time to let us know how bad he was this episode just supporting sarah like anybody that supports sarah i'm just like a good friend bad choices why are you like that person no not my type of person to support okay so tyson obviously and cash were first kayla derek was second ben and justine were third angela and danny were fourth so i think that danny's competitive enough to be able to swim i just still really like the fact that angela pulls him out of the water that is so funny man she's a beast and he's like you know danny's main thing at this point in the show is not to embarrass kiki and he feels like he's constantly embarrassing her on the show i'm loving it you know i'm absolutely loving it all right guys i think we're all out of discussion points here for episode five of the challenge usa it has been another solid episode i

1:37:44 Don't think it was the episode of the season i really like to see the fact the fractures happening and survivor potentially splitting up and the civil war i'm hoping hashtag brings civil war into this challenge house for next week but it's been great talking to both chantal and drew here about it thank you to everybody that was in the live here today with us that commented ask questions we love hearing from you if you agree or disagree with us it's all fun and love on this side here and we'll catch you guys next time bye