THE CHALLENGE USA: EPISODE 6 RECAP

0:08 So [Music] do [Music] [Music] [Music] welcome back to the nullified tech channel here on youtube and also streaming live on reality realness with three s's i'm your host chris and with me today is my friends and co-host chantal and drew we are here to talk about the challenge usa episode six chantel how you doing i'm great this season keeps on delivering in my opinion i enjoy every single second of it i enjoy talking about it there's just a lot that happens in this episode i think that is worthy of talking about i can't wait to see drew's like excitement

1:29 When he gets to talk about probably his number one point getter this episode yes all over great i mean i just definitely enjoying this episode and i want to hear you guys opinions about it so happy to be here yeah drew how did you feel about the rise of david here this episode suddenly he's talking a lot you know he's trying to get involved in the strategy he's winning dailies who is this guy i'll be honest when we saw the meeting of david and enzo in the kitchen trying to hype each other up i instantly was like great we're gonna get enzo versus david in the elimination i didn't think either one of them had the possibility of winning a daily challenge but lo and behold david did it so you know what david the champ justine the queen and david my king let's do this thing let's run it let's get this win i don't want to hear any bad words from you on david for the rest of the season now drew oh it's gonna happen when he gets zero confessionals next episode but i'll be ready for it okay now michelle's really mad at me for saying this when we chatted on wednesday but this episode for david in my opinion could maybe be a winner's edit oh really you think it's because i don't believe in winners edits for the challenge i

2:49 Don't think the challenge has got a winner's edit because they're normally all over the place when it comes to the edit and how they show their winner but you know david is putting in some work people are disrespecting him who knows he couldn't i still i thought kylan like we keep getting kylin kyla talking about this being a dream of his and he's wanting to he's even like you know how tj brings in every time you know remember whoever wins this is going to represent the usa and the grand wool finale of the challenge tournament and kyla's the only one that really feels like he's getting excited about that even in the confessionals well the reason why i'm thinking that it's david it's somebody was comparing the situation with amber b how she had virtually no edit and then all of a sudden she like not with darrell anymore it's linked up with ct or no it was with bessie for a second links up with ct wins the game and so we never really saw her being a winner coming from it just came out of nowhere and so i'm wondering if it's a similar type five with david here being basically invisible and then he's probably gonna be able to fade into the background again while all these other bigger personalities fight at each other and he might just kind of escape by to the end i don't know i'm just saying just saying drew does not look impressed with that throne on his face there he's like

4:10 That's your guy that's your boy david you're right or die well i don't think he's like out of the woods just yet i think that if anything people could want to send him in over and over again especially if he gets paired up with somebody who doesn't have enough cash also alissa makes a big old deal about him taking out derrick and how derek always had david's back and all this other stuff that she's like great move there david i'm gonna have to come after you so i feel like she's he's on her radar which i don't know take that she went whatever you want but that's i feel like that's what setting up like alyssa if she gets any power or gets into people's ear maybe she would be like we should take out david that's such a great idea isn't that right everybody now i have a new storyline yay i get more camera time because xavier left and i got like one confessional this episode well i don't okay i'm not sure though if she's gonna be able to get any traction with that because i did hear that the reason why that ends up happening that they get thrown in is because tyson did some work and dyson kind of was like hey let's not start taking out all the people with money yet and so that it could be still the same argument with anybody that's left over in the game that like hey that he david has money like let's not take him out yet because we don't want some people with the money

5:30 To start taking us out so i can see that not working right now we've got russell muscle here in the live and saying that it's his first season of the challenge but loving every second of it i will do a little bit of shameless self-promotion here russell muscle and i did a bit of a collab recently it just dropped on his channel today we talked about the potential of a post-merger versus pre-merger season like to do in survivors of africa right now so check that out on russell muscle's channel russell if you're still here in the chat at the moment i'd love to hear your thoughts about the whole tyson versus sarah versus ben scenario what do you think of this messiness within the survivor lovable gamepl sudani taylor liz dolores anthony white diva let's see there's so many people jumping here alex cooper chase chasing k brain cabrini i always pronounced that wrong but she's got a really good vlogging channel for people who love traveling so check that out big supporter of all three of our channels so yeah so let's get back into the actual episode and where it starts we start with the algorithm and kira finally gets the partner that she wanted she's been wanting

6:50 To get tyson for quite a long time but this whole episode it's not going to be a pleasant one for her because the moment she gets him she's having some issues she's struggling with her stomach bug or she's feeling nauseous throughout this not performing at her peak chantal what did you think of this dynamic and just again sort of seeing how someone as capable as tyson can be dragged down by an anchor if you get the wrong partner and obviously it wasn't the greatest like i don't know if cara would have been performing like she did in this challenge if it wasn't for all of that but again it just shows you how important partners are at this point even if you're as capable as tyson obviously i was just irritated because i you know not that like i want people to be able to perform at their best especially when they're partnered with my favorite and so like the fact that potentially her not feeling well might sacrifice his place in the game and what was going on in my head was because you know when the before the season started he had all those podcasts being like his survivors the superior game show and you know the challenges are better on the chat than the challenge on survivor and so i was wondering if what was going to happen is she was going to take him down in the daily and then they were they're going to have to go directly into elimination and she was going to either bow out or not being able to perform in the elimination so i thought he was going to take be

8:10 Taken out that way and that's something that he would be thinking would be unfair that it wasn't on his own like his own volition that he was being taken out i thought her being sick and his partner for this round was going to have him taken out so that's what i was thinking of when she was like talking about herself being sick being sick being sick i was worried for tyson going out this episode yeah i mean i was very fearful as well for tyson this episode i know drew you mentioned you were thinking enzo and david was going to go up against each other this whole episode to me i kind of felt like tyson was in big trouble i mean he goes back to the house he's just made this really big move against both sarah and ben takes a very personal like it's a move against him which it was let's be honest there's heat on him coming back into this house so he has to sit everybody down talk to them and say listen i'm not going to be okay with people putting me down there i'm not giving anybody permission about it but this is a game at the end of the day i will respect it and maybe people shouldn't be playing these games if they can't respect the fact that you're gonna get thrown down there what did you think of tyson's scramble here and potentially the position he found himself in this episode where he was vulnerable i feel like for the first time this game i thought it was just funny because he says that in the beginning of the episode but then once dave david and desi win he's like i'm if anybody throws

9:30 Me down there i would just take any and all opportunity to try to get my revenge on that person and even if it sacrifices my money my chances of winning the money then so be it and i just thought that was funny i don't know i didn't think he was in that much trouble like even if he went into the elimination i felt like he would have had an opportunity to like get the person or the team that he wanted to get we've just seen him so much in the beginning of the show and basically he's the face of this franchise at this moment we're i mean we're not getting a ton of personality from much of anybody else i mean who's going to take up that mantle if he leaves there's really nobody that's getting the consistent confessionals every single episode so i just had no worry that he even if he went into the elimination that he was going to get eliminated this episode i think he scared the cure element of it though like taking him out that way i don't know we'll get you with people falling into the net i was like somebody's gonna get hurt and he's gonna be able to capitalize on that but i do think that your theory is strong that if he does falter at any point in this season it could be because of his partner or he could feel it's because of his partner and at a certain point in survivor you go you it turns into a solo game and you can do whatever you want do whatever you can to push yourself forward

10:50 So i think that's where it could get into the mind which is why i really wanted this to be like a free agents solo vendetta's total madness type of season where we swap around the daily challenges to teams pairs and solo and you can do whatever you can i thought that would be a lot more fun with that free flow than changing partners every single episode but yeah another interesting one here being brought up chasing cabrini says if the algorithm was perfect or really perfect angela definitely couldn't be couldn't could it have been worth being this week and dom could have been with sarah so again it sort of proves that it's live but we thought it was going to be a lot worse right we thought well maybe they'll stop the drama and they'll put tyson and sarah together as a bit of a cop-out all right so you think that's when that's happening they've just they've deferred it for one more round but i mean how no i think there's back in the deck for sarah and ben to be able to get their revenge on tyson that's what it seems like because i like i looked at i looked at the partner matchups and that what was just suggested was a patch near mark match-up that hadn't occurred yet and so it was possible for them to have everybody have a new partner and so the fact that they said that to me says that the production is putting pairs together how they want it to be

12:12 So yeah interesting my thing is you broke your own rules for no reason because there was a fight that happened at the end of this episode we hear it on the challenge official podcast last week by cache and we get zero we get no confrontations we get no conversations between tyson sarah or ben at all this episode and neither of them win so this ultimately you broke your own rules because why even have that whole thing in the beginning of like you'll be partnered up with somebody new until it's physically impossible it was possible this episode to put together all new pairings just this is where the challenge needs to stop trying to manufacture the drama and try to capitalize it and just let the game play out be the facilitation and actually just put people in pairs and just hope for the best at this point especially in a season like this right because this is such a new place this was such a dud and i hated how it they broke their own rules for it you want to put cinco and cash together before you're because you're worried that cash may leave in week one so you want to put them together fine do whatever you want to do at that one but this was like so blatant like don't break your own rules for nothing at this point it was i think it was the deck for sarah and ben i think that they wanted them to potentially dominate this challenge

13:32 This daily and then they were hoping that it would be like oh then we'll see tyson grovel and have tyson in the hot seat and you know they're going to get some big episode and so i think that's what they were attempting to do but the show ended up making more drama than they probably would have gotten out of what they were hoping for so i think it backfired in a positive way for them yeah it just amazes me when they sorry it just amazes me when they do these types of things and they think that people don't notice it now you've got tyson going away from the show talking about the fact that it's not as good as survivor he said that on his podcast because of some of the production elements to it and the challenges potentially i'm sure angela she looked very amused by this you know from the start i feel like she knew something was up as well she wasn't too happy about being back with dom these are the players you want them to go away talk while of the show and then promote it so that other people from these franchises want to come and play the game so we continue to have a good steady influx of great players and like you said drew they're trying to manufacture drama but all of these people are veteran reality tv stars that have been on other shows before they know what it is to make good tv or most of them do in any case so i don't think you need to push

14:52 This and you don't have these alliances that have been there seasoned in and seasoned out that will just stick together no matter what so it'll be a predictable outcome because this house very much isn't flags like you've got survivor taking shots at each other now you've got big brother that have been doing it for a very long time i would say the only loyal faction at this point should tell is love island they're the only ones that are actually looking out for themselves as a group to a certain degree i mean if they have to go heat to heat they have to right at that point but i feel like they're sticking together love island girls will say because it seems like not really part of that and giovanni was out too quickly giovanni might have been the glue because he was really friendly with everybody so he might have brought be able to bring them all together but one thing though about this algorithm as well like poor angela like i really think that they were trying their best to stack the deck for sarah and ben to dominate angela wouldn't be with a partner that she would most likely be able to win with and that's probably why angela was pissed as well she's like man i've already been with dom like i thought i didn't have to be with them again there's all in other partners that i haven't been with that are way better than him that like i could maybe win the daily with so it's like they also probably didn't want angela to win either i think they were really just trying to build this fight between sarah and ben and

16:12 Not having his powerful partner being able to win and save the day so production yeah i would have still found i would have found it interesting still to see sarah and ben in trouble having to scramble let the game play out organically you know they do put sarah and ben together as a partnership here so in some ways that could be a good and a bad thing because they're both physically reasonably capable i would say sarah definitely is really dominant ben has been getting second in a lot of these dailies up until this point so maybe you're right they put them together to make a guaranteed strong pairing here but if the wrong people won here if it wasn't a desi for instance who won the daily who's got a really close connection with ben because they played a season together back in the day and i do believe desi voted for him to win that season as well you know they've got a connection both being where's ben from is he from the south i know that this is i feel like there's that connection that they've got you know and been felt really comfortable with desi winning he said there's a it's a guarantee i'm not going in so clearly he's got those connections there so he's lucky in this configuration that he wasn't in danger well definitely it seems like dead z is on team sarah and ben when

17:32 He sees when tyson was having his little sermon about like if he can't play the game like you know whatever he was saying it seemed like desi was not there and he she was hanging out with ben and sarah and kind of agreeing with their them and their gameplay so i think that she's team ben i don't think she's on team tyson at all i think tyson only has danny at this point because dom seems closer to dc as well so i really think tyson is kind of for some other reason sort of sitting at the outskirts of that survivor alliance which is interesting to see and maybe the reason he's been safe up until this point is the fact that he's been winning a lot and that has kept him safe i think so but i also think that he's been branching out more than say the survivor players as he is been known around being an honorary love island girl so i mean he's getting really close with them he's making this alliance of if anybody has cash let's just go for it and look out for each other kind of thing so i mean he's making alliances kind of out in the open and everybody is cool with it and everybody's going to look out and it ultimately helps him in the long run i want to say one thing about this algorithm and my biggest problem with it is that every season there is an element to a season where you can be like oh did the production have their hand in this did production have their hand in that

18:52 Final reckoning finals oh it just seemed like that was all production wanting to have ashley win the money kind of thing this is just everything that i hate about thinking that the production has their hand in something like they could manufacture all this stuff and be like well we're just going to put people together this is people's games on the line here like i would want this random and let the game play out rather than oh well ben and sarah will be good so we're going to put angela and dom together even though they were partnered up with each other in episode four so now two episodes later they're partnering up together and it's like what if dom like i don't know tripped on the pier and then fell in the water and couldn't be resuscitated he gets eq'd and then bam they're going into the elimination and they do something where they have to plug a pipe and he can't he can't plug it again and then they go home and it's like he's not doing the plumbing around the house that's what yeah it's like that sucked because they didn't even follow their own rules because they're trying to do all this stuff like this is just the hands and i don't like that i want transparency i want it to actually be random i don't care how many times tj gets paid to say that it's perfect and random it's not it's not perfect nor random it's a lie [Laughter] it literally just zoomed in to see what your chalkboard said but that's the problem

20:13 I have with it's such a big part as we saw in this episode i mean tyson could have went home because of his partners luckily he hadn't had kyra before but it's like this is this is the crux of the whole thing this is the crux of the episode whoever you get partnered with that's your ticket for the rest of this episode that's your ticket for two days whether you win or lose the daily challenge and whether you win or lose in an elimination and it's such a big part of your whole journey that to leave it in the hands of the production team to be like it's ridiculous why couldn't sarah be with ben and ben would have been with angela which would have been a fine pairing i think that would be an interesting pairing like what it would have been what if ben and angela win the daily you know and like they both have completely different agendas as to what they would want to have happened and they would have to like really come to some sort of agreement go against somebody else other than tyson other than sarah like it would have been i think very interesting to see what would have happened if they just allowed other actual possible match-ups to match up like i think that would have been a great episode of tv to see them doing this particular challenge because i could see angela and ben doing well because ben didn't mess up his part of the challenge and angela

21:33 I think they came in third right so she still did well with dom so she would have done equally as well i'm sure with ben and so that would have been very interesting i think well and even to that fact i mean dom was talking about how he was like an ace in finance so if sarah would have found that or been more detail-oriented what if and then dom and sarah get into power i mean dom hates tyson as much as sarah does it seems that by the edit and the confessionals that would have been legit and if they would have just let it happen it could have happened i mean they could have gotten what they really wanted but like we were talking about they manufactured maybe they didn't see dom's maybe they didn't see dom's cv before he got there they didn't realize that he had a bachelor's in finance you know let's be honest they don't look at the cvs of these people when they go out there so they underestimated him they barely googled these people before they put them on a show they're just like what a simple google search they have some racist stuff online who knows i mean we're not going to check it and then six weeks or two weeks into the main season it's all you can see on twitter with any prices you guys were going on such a good run i didn't want to jump in the middle there because i agree with everything when it comes to the algorithm right but let's look at

22:53 Tyson's game you know he used cash as a pawn last episode to do a bit of his dirty work and cash turns it around a little bit here she does a really good bit of you know backtracking going to sarah throwing tyson under the bus saying you know i was such a victim here you know tyson was the one who wanted this to happen and i felt intimidated he was the great guy who keeps winning every single time and everyone upset him but he told me that sarah this is your game you get close to people and then you cut them really badly so she's trying to justify she's trying to justify what she did here because she does seem to be pretty close to sarah but she gets away with this sarah does say yes this is not cash's game she's not you know she's probably thinking in her mind cash is not from these cutthroat games where we have to vote people out it's tyson he's the one that i need to go after and she's very razor focused on him and i think sarah takes it extra personal she mentions a few times here so we can talk about the cash side of it and also the sarah side of it she takes it personal because she feels they should have respected each other as being winners from survivor who played in the same season she said that she felt disrespected here chantel thoughts on sarah the conversation with cash and how she's feeling disrespected at this point the thing with sarah is nobody else is allowed to do to her what she does to other people

24:14 So on her seasons of survivor and she's played good games i don't enjoy necessarily the type of game that she plays but she's water winter season like she deserved her win like but she brings people in lies to her face and then stabs them in their back that's that is her game style and so what tyson was saying i do not think was untrue and the fact that i think that sarah is just mad that tyson did it first that she wanted to it wanted to be like okay survivor strong until sarah decides that it's survivor strong no more and i think that she's just mad that tyson got to her first now on tyson i think it was on his podcast last week he said that he was doing it because cashie brought in that as an option and he was like hmm okay that's actually a good idea like she brought in the fact that leo is somebody that she doesn't want to be partnered with and that actually swayed him in order to want to throw in sarah and leo because of it gave a better reason to be able to do it because and he was doing it kind of because cachet suggested that's who she wanted and so i get that she's trying to make nice with sarah because we did see her in earlier scenes to you know like talking about cinco

25:34 With her and like they did seem to have some sort of bond building but to me the whole thing seemed exactly what sarah does is he brings people in close to her and i think that cash is very disposable to sarah so i want to see how it plays out but i think because cash is not familiar with either of their games she's just taking you know sarah at her word and not titan as his and i think that she's good she might get bruised in the end but it does seem like she does forgive tyson because i think i mentioned this before her and shannon were doing an instagram live and tyson was in the chat and chatting with them and they're like oh we love you tyson we love you we love you and so it seems as though they must have mend fences but she might be she learns the hard way about sarah and tyson gets to do a nice big i told you so i think this worked out way better for cachet doing it this way because she mentioned that she wanted to give sarah the heads up coming to her after the fact and then how apologetic she was and she was crying and like trying to have this heart-to-heart one-on-one with sarah and sarah just takes and goes oh she was manipulated by tyson to do this and it just plays so well for her game

26:54 Because she got to do the move on sarah and leo and then it backfiring but it's all eyes on tyson for this and cachet is not even on the radar at this point i think it just worked out perfectly that cachet was like oh i would have told her but tyson told me not to it worked out for you in the long run by that point because it really it she it was just perfect i think it was just really good for cachet's game i'm super in on cash and justine like those are like the two i came into the season didn't know them i've mentioned it a few times don't watch love island but what they've brought to this season i endorse them going over to the main show like tomorrow if possible you know but if the rumors are true about them not getting paid the same amount of money then maybe mtv should look at that because we want to get some of these players that you know to me like if i've got a low expectation coming in or no expectation and you're hitting it out of the park like you're doing right now then that's up to you cash played it well for me i think that she definitely has a little bit she knows what she's doing i don't think she's fooled by sarah i think she's playing sarah right now and sarah's looking away from her at this stage she is playing with a very venomous poisonous snake though and that snake might still bite her down the line because let's be honest if cash and sarah do go head-to-head in a hall brawl

28:15 Or they do go head to head in a finale sarah's going to run circles around her so at some point you know shots will need to be taken here and we know that the last two things are hall brawl and pole wrestle are the two eliminations coming up right because we saw those in the preview there's only four episodes left so we're gonna see some headbangers coming out i believe i think i think there's gonna be 13 episodes this season oh okay i only saw on the wiki that was 10. okay question here for you chantal i don't think myself and drew can answer this one but tatiana is it just me is there something slightly attractive about ben zero i do not think ben is attractive at all and then also that's something that i heard watching sarah shannon and derek x on rob as a podcast they did some interviews with them and they said that after the elimination when sarah went down with leo and she they came up victorious coming back into the house they could cut the tension with the knife and that it was so uncomfortable in there that and that ben was pacing back and forth because he was so angry that they had to have security being sleeping in the rooms or bunkers or whatever with them just to protect them and to allow them to know that

29:35 If anything were to happen there would be somebody there to protect them and keep their safety so i think that's very unattractive and i think that might have been what spurred the conversation that tyson had been like if it's just a game it's just a game like you know i gotta shake your hand like that whole thing i think it was because ben was coming off as aggressive in their physical space not aggressive in the game like come at me in the game like you know throw me down like react within the game but bringing on a threatening presence inside our living environment i don't know i don't think that's appropriate and that's another reason why i don't find him attractive because i don't like seeing that side of him i heard somebody in my comment section to my review and recap i didn't get to finish tyson's podcast this week but he did mention or somebody mentioned in my comment section that tyson mentioned that there was an altercation or an argument between dom and ben to where dom had to pack up his stuff and he moved bunks because he didn't want to sleep next to or any closer to ben after that argument and he said that he was actually surprised that it wasn't shown on the show so because they want to keep ben in a good light i'm sure what the hell winning challenge i'll take it as a no right now

30:55 Well christian girl is thinking that it's going to be a survivor who's going to win this season so who knows ben could still be in the running also here baby ice is rooting for team sarah and ben you know i still am as well but it doesn't mean that i don't like tyson i like to if i had to choose like i think we had this conversation last week got tyson always but i love sarah and ben as well like they're survivor you know survivor strong all the way towards unlikable to me i'm sorry people are like getting up and be like is this a sarah hate podcast that's like kinda can i just put this up there i didn't mind your hands yeah not mine might sarah love podcasts just wanna clarify that for any survivor fans listening to this i just want to throw this up there i don't think i saw i don't i thought i saw like chris's hands move quite a bit and do we think that chris is baby ice in an alternate [Laughter] oh [Music] next on the podcast we'll have to have baby ice here to clear my name

32:15 We'll have to be like a special guest on one of these recaps in the future one of the people we're not talking about and i thought this was a very smart question being asked here by amy sue in the live chat because we spoke about cash playing a great game but i think kayla is absolutely killing it amy sue here is asking why isn't kayla being implicated in any of this it seems like she's instigated the whole thing last episode when she had a conversation with tyson so kayla is not even on the radar here tyson's not giving her away you know she must be playing a really subtle game at this stage at the moment drew yeah i mean tyson said on his podcast the beginning portion he called their quad quadrilogy or whatever four people names are he said they are the axis of anger and he named sarah ben leo and kayla as the four in the axis of anger alliance that he named them so kayla seems to be very close with sarah and ben what who named who named the quadrant that was tyson said that he named sarah ben kayla and leo the axis of anger and i guess kayla's really close with sarah and ben at this point and

33:36 Moving forward with them tayla i think she's also not necessarily threatening for anybody and because she hasn't won a daily yet she's also someone easy to throw in and so that could also be why she's not involved fully in some of like the conversations and she's not fully pulled into the big alliance because the big alliance is for the people that have won money and so right now ben and sarah are not in that big alliance because they haven't won money same with her same with leo and so that could also be a reason why she's able to gravitate towards them because of the fact that she hasn't won any money and the other the big alliance now can just throw any of those people in because it would be easy and it's not going to go against their money bags alliance yeah margie here in the lab is asking are we going to see challenges from other countries maji yes there is going to be a worldwide tournament to see who's going to be the global champion of the challenge and the winners of this challenge will go up against i believe argentina australia the uk i saw a trailer with mtv legends in there so i've got a feeling they might put in one or two legends from the main show in there as well to represent and go for this title we're hoping i think

34:56 They need that at this point i would say they need that extra spice this season's been good but you throw two of those veterans in there that have played it for that much longer i think that just that brings the whole challenge fandom together and even those people that feel like you know why didn't they do it with the main show i guess players included in this season as well but i've been enjoying it as a separate thing on its own as it's evolved at this point i think that it's good that we're getting access to potentially new stars that can you know either come into the main show or they can hopefully do something great with this it's the problem that we have here chantelle is that the production team has proven to us so many times in the past that even if they've got the recipe for success they may not choose it and they may fiddle or just fumble it and that's sad to know i have to say though at this point almost anybody that from this season they can bring onto the main season i'd rather them over josh i'd rather them over fessy i'd rather them over kayla what's her name kaylee casey i can't remember her name like and she's been on my street for like three years four years like i don't remember her name yeah i would rather than any anybody including david can come on that season for him over casey over all the people that i just mentioned so anybody from this season so far i would rather see them on the main show than the people that

36:16 I named so i'm fine with what's been going on here i'll i like definitely the tnt take care definitely the tnt takes it any person from this season even ben or sarah yeah give me i mean i don't enjoy them but if they go onto the main season they'd probably be humbled so you know maybe i want to see that yeah percent [ __ ] i have a question did you say that the challenge australia has already started filming because i'm trying to think about the timeline for all this because if it's 13 episodes like that's three months like that's a long time to have three other one to three other shows to air and overlap like when are we gonna get the tournament next year i feel like it's gonna be next year at this point because they haven't even started the argentinian and the uk one so i don't see it happening before mid to end of next year to be honest the way things are working out at the moment i'm sorry to laura enzo i'd rather enzo i'm sorry i'd rather enzo over fussy i would i just i would i would the mailmail i would yeah that's me i don't think that the challenge is straight like i'm not too sure actually i've heard that there is a few cast lists from being thrown out there about the challenge australia i do believe

37:36 That the filming is either taking place right now or it will be taking place within the next couple of weeks it's kind of overlapping with the challenge with surviving heroes versus villains in australia i was sorry gwen i was just gonna say that i'm getting like confused by some certain t accounts that are trying to give out dates and try to help out like the challenge universe of like trying to figure out when the timelines are because they mentioned that the sometime in august that the australia one was going to start then next month was when argentina was going to start and then they said that the actual tournament was going to start taking place in october but we haven't even done anything with the uk so i'm just like i'd and then the whole thing with the different a whole bunch of different casts for the australia one and chris is confused and that makes me confused because i don't know what's up and what's down at this point so i'm as confused as what the information is coming out because i too am trying to look at the dates and trying to lock in but it seems like we don't have a full cast list leaked yet and then the dates aren't really adding up to where they're saying that the tournament is going to actually start taking place in october when

38:56 Uk doesn't even seem like they are even in casting or haven't even got to casting yet so i want to know like what network i want to i want to know what network in the uk is they did put it up before didn't they because i heard that survivor uk was just picked up so they're reviving survivor uk so like now they've got another reality tv show with this reality tv show it's going to be on the same network are they going to dip into the same talent pool for it how's that going to work you know that's that one i want to be on tv talks with tom he's like he's like look he's like i'm going to make an audition and i was like maybe i'm going to try and see if i can because sometimes the uk allows canadians to do things so i'm going to see if i can and like i have family over there so i can have a resident but i don't have the nationality because long story my parents were never married so i can't assume the nationality of my father who was born in england and so right sorry yeah that's crazy like i would have thought that you know you should have ancestral like okay well we'll talk about that offline we'll talk about that offline because that sounds annoying that sounds strange to me but yeah like i mean if you could get your british passport that'd be awesome also chantal why is there no canadian challenge is there not enough canadian fans you think or they just think canadians

40:16 Are too close to being small there's only like the other people in all of canada is like the amount of people in new york like it's just like it's just so it's only 30 million people in canada in general so we don't have enough i think funding a lot of people get really annoyed with big brother canada because there's so much product placement like all the competitions have like some sort of sponsor it becomes really sponsor heavy to be able to run similar shows that i think that they just don't have the funds to be able to do it seems like i can't even like for big brother canada i think they give out 100 grand they give out 750 000 in the states is it also to do with the like the cultural appetite for reality tv in canada do you think that there's a strong craving and a viewing of these types of shows for instance because you know yeah australia's only got 20 million ten times less though right like if a million people are watching 10 million people would be watching in the states so it just it just it doesn't really balance out i don't think the numbers yeah australia's only got like 20 i think 20 million people so it's less than canada and they get their own there's a massive country like the landmass of australia is the same as the usa the whole candidate is bigger than the usa which is also wild to me which is crazy yeah and so you want to say something

41:37 I just want to throw this last information out there it sounds like also from other t accounts that who is going to be eligible for this global competition at least from what i read on one of their tweets is that it's not going to be just champions it's going to be like champs versus stars rules where it's going to be people are going to be called if they're a champion if they've made it to a finals and i've even heard that if they just make it far into a season that they would be possibly called aka josh was used as an example of somebody who could potentially be on the global championship because if he's available and nobody else agrees then they're gonna fudge the numbers and be like you're gonna have to go up against a winner from big brother but not from the challenge but he's been on the challenge but he's a winner from big brother so they're fudging the rules and the lines up a little bit of like oh they'll show the challenge legend still photos in whatever trailer that we saw but they're looking like they're kind of trying to this podcast is a dangerous territory of completely going off the rails here so i'll just say something just really quick on this is why you don't announce what you're gonna do a year and a half two years in advance because then you get locked into something that people think you're gonna do and then you change it up and it looks like you're not sure you're just putting these things

42:57 Together like they put the daily challenges and the finales together literally as people are running the finale you know like we had nehemiah and melinda when they ran into a cave and they didn't have it set up for them this is what it's looking like they don't know what they're going to do at the end but this will also be a reason for them to try and get tyson and incentivize him to get back on there if he maybe doesn't make it to the end if he's if he gets voted out early because he's such a big starter easily i think it could be something like that but let's get into back to this episode the daily challenge we've gone completely on a tangent here as we do on this specific podcast but you know we've got this daily challenge but they've got to jump from one container to a podium in the middle or like a floating area and then they have to get color-coded lock combinations and then go down and do like a math puzzle to get to the end some people struggle with this a little bit more than others obviously kira had some issues prior to going in there we spoke about that a little bit so even though tyson does his part successfully they get disqualified and for the life of me i can't remember who the second team was they got disqualified who was the second team here that got disqualified ultimately enzo obviously ends up being scared of heights and not being able to jump to get to the end and justine gets pulled down with him here and i feel for justine because she's a champion

44:17 She's someone who's won a daily she's super capable but she just gets stuck with enzo on the wrong challenge here and if you've got a fear of heights i think we do underestimate you know if you've got a fear of heights falling into water how traumatizing it potentially can be but it was sad not to see him at least attempted because physically he seems capable i just i'm always for the attempt because i know that how much better it feels to try something and conquer fear like than being like oh i didn't do it i should have given and said that just you know afterward being like oh i should have tried i should have tried i should have tried and so i just wanted him to try you know kira didn't do a good job but she kind of just like held onto the rope and fell and flinged into the water it looked awful but she at least tried i wish that he had but i didn't want tyson to go directly in so i was like okay well i'd rather enzo and justine to go directly in but i really hope that they would come back because i don't want justine to leave the game i wonder if enzo and justine were one of the first teams to go because on tyson's podcast he said that the order was all messed up and that he said he looked too calm if he went before enzo so he was like i'm pretty sure enzo went before us and i knew

45:37 That he didn't make it so just me being on the platform i felt like we were gonna make it farther so that's why when kira was like should i try again he was like if you can instead of being like get up hurry up get up like yeah so i think it's interesting like i feel like that's what it was that maybe he was one of the first ones up and then he was like freaking out a little bit and then and then he didn't go while everybody else was like cool we could just do our thing we'll hang out run around do it do whatever so i think that's interesting to think about but yeah i really wish he would have tried but i mean yeah justine wilson and elimination so keep going but if he if enzo and justine would have left this episode i would have freaked out i would have freaked out on everything it would have been 13 minutes of a rant about how the algorithm is flawed and justine has gone on my review and recap this past week it would have been a mess oh i kind of wish i would can see that alternate universe losing his mind is not a good thing we witnessed that when we did our pre-season 38 i think i broke drew like i legitimately broke him in that draft so you guys will really enjoy it now both of you all did he was

46:57 Mad at me he was the most happy that he's ever been and i felt really like i was like oh no we hate him drew and silent on us for like a week like pod guys did not talk to us so that's some fun for you guys to look out for in the future also in this episode we had leo who has been struggling with water challenges and he gives us a little bit of an insight here that you know he's had a traumatic experience with water nearly drowning and that's why he's afraid of jumping into water and you know you know leo to me he's a try-hard only confessionals he's i don't know what it is this season he's i'm just not enjoying leo like i enjoyed him on the amazing race but i think he's a nice guy i think he's a super nice guy and it was cool to see him do this and i think it's because maybe the producers are trying to egg him on to be like a bit extra in those confessionals and he's just not being himself which leo himself doing confessionals on the amazing race was amazing like he was one of the my favorites like the animals one of my favorite teams i don't know what it is chantelle but he's just a little bit off but i did like seeing him push through this fear that he had and completing it and also seeing him celebrate with tj at the end that's the type of stuff i just really enjoy about the challenge seeing people push past their limits absolutely we had like everybody on the on the sidelines like leo and he does it he swings

48:17 Across the thing and he's like ta-da like you know he was reveling in the fact that he was able to doggy paddle his way over and still be able to complete the daily so i love when people are able to do that's what i like about the challenge in general that usually you have just ordinary people that ends up being able to do extraordinary things and that and seeing their growth in that way i find it very interesting about the challenge that's kind of why i personally am never usually loved like the american ninja warrior vibe or the jenny west or whatever when they come in really super physical and capable it just like to me i kind of like people that are just normal coming and getting good at the challenge and so yeah i was really happy with leo being able to overcome and do well i think what the issue is with why we're not enjoying leo's confessionals is that he's a he's attacking well my favorites anyways so like at the beginning of this episode he's talking about the snakes and tysons this rattlesnake and said and angela's anaconda or vice versa or whatever he said and i'm just like why are you throwing daggers at these people like they actually aren't do like they're just playing the game and it just so happens that you're not good at the game if he was better at the game maybe i would feel better about it i don't know but it just seems i don't know he seems like he's punching like low hanging fruit

49:37 I don't know it's just it's not he has to he has the chantel like i'll defend him in this like i don't know i think it's in the delivery that it's coming across not right for me like it feels a bit strange but he has to throw punches like if you're in a ring and someone's throwing punches at you if you're just gonna try and bob and weave at some point you're gonna get hit in the face and you know he's been thrown into the arena multiple times it was multiple times or once now but he's been thrown in by tyson at least you know if someone throws me in i'll be salty i'll be bitter like crucifer even tyson that he would be salty and bitter as well but i think it's the delivery like i do agree with you the delivery is slightly off i don't mind him taking shots back at tyson though i mean he's allowed to he's playing this game as well you know it just kind of sounds like he's whinging and moaning i don't know so i don't know it's just like there's something about how it is i get you i'm with you on that first of all he missed a big opportunity instead of rattlesnake tyson he should have said python tyson or python tyson but there's i've talked i think we've mentioned it before but it's like on the amazing race you're basically out wherever you're at and you're just doing the confessionals on the road you're doing it right before you're taking off to do a leg or something so it's maybe having somebody there it's not in a studio it's not the green screen maybe it feels different that you don't

50:57 Have to feel like you have to scream or talk you know you're about to run off in like five minutes when it's in a studio with a green screen so many lights there's probably like 15 five producers in there five to 15 producers i've said the same thing about sarah she seems super stiff compared to what i remember her confessionals being on survivor when you're just out there it's probably one on one she's sitting on a tree she's like out in the open and then there's just one other camera person and then she gets into this confessional environment and she just seems so stiff she gets brad eyes and they get really big at certain points every single confessional and she's like tyson is doing something crazy and i can't trust him ever again kind of thing so is that her voice i guess so i mean i can mime her better than i can do her voice but whatever but it's i think it's just a weird environment for a lot of these players who are normally like on the move on the go always outside comparatively it's interesting super chill at it so like if you get the differences yeah sorry for interrupting you i don't know if you get like i just got excited about this but you think about the chantel like you know you're someone who's done a lot of acting you've been on stage you've you know when you get lights in your face there's like a different thing that comes with that if you're not used to having lights in your face you're in a room where you're potentially

52:17 If you're not used to that exposure where like drew said you're out normally in on an island and there's bright natural lightning or lighting and you're out running the race like maybe it feels more organic it feels more natural compared to having those lights in your face with these big cameras and the producer telling you i don't know egging you on like i feel like there must be something about the environment that's different i can see that being a thing i think also just to pick it back on both of what both of you are saying all i think that in the other confessional styles they're kind of only talking about their own game and this in it seems like in the challenge they're probably being asked to talk about their relationships with a lot of other different people i don't know i'm trying to figure it out because i'm sure that the producers are egging on these like confessionals that have to do with like being mad at the people that have wronged you maybe they don't ask them the same type of questions on like on survivor or the amazing race as they do to kind of instigate stuff maybe on the challenge i don't know i'm still trying to figure it out i don't know if i even agree with that but we'll see i don't know how drew does it like every season he's able to do these you know impressions of players that are out there like maybe you should be the actor drew and go out there and perform for us with the way you've been going that

53:37 Was the first time try so i don't want to even try it a second time i'm not going to get greedy i'll take it if people are saying it's good i'll take it we need we need someone at some point after like three or four seasons of this just to climb up your impressions and like put it into like a compilation of all these different players yeah it's gonna go viral i could see it go viral obviously on this specific challenge we spoke about it a little bit but david and desi they're gonna pull it out they're gonna win against all odds i was so happy for des he not happy that she's in chantal's team and she's getting chantal points because she's already so far ahead she doesn't need all of the points coming her way but you know awesome performance from her she hasn't had much of an opportunity to show her capabilities and also they talk about the fact that both david and desi are sort of on the outside they're not a part of the vote and i wanted to talk a little bit about david you know because david gets a lot of heat a lot of flack from reality tv fans i feel like he's like the stepchild the foster child of reality tv where people are like we don't claim them but you know it was cool to see this real raw emotion from him this episode as well talking about how much this would mean to him to win it this is potentially that winner's edit that's where i could right where i thought about i was like oh it oh we've never heard like this whole episode we hear that he's playing a game like you

54:57 Know he means he's talking to enzo saying like hey enzo like dude all we need to do we gotta win we gotta win then i'm talking about how he wants to protect enzo that he's doing this for his mom that like he is playing the game even though we haven't been seeing him or hearing his con confessionals and so that is exactly the point where i was like is this sound bite this confessional in here because they're going to be referencing that for his winners at it when he wins the game that's where i found it that's where i my very first inclination that could be a possibility not to get too far ahead but can i just say what is my luck that the week one of my players wins into power or dave of all people went into power two of my players get dq'd to get me negative two points each to where i get net one point for david winning in the daily journey of course it would happen right [Laughter] but perfect opportunity here do you guys feel like desi and david use this opportunity correctly to gain that valuable information to make themselves more important now for these worrying factions within the house moving forward because they sort of complained that they didn't

56:18 Have the opportunity to talk to people before this i don't feel like we saw much like i mean the only scene we saw and this could be that they have done a lot more than what we saw was really the one that they spoke to both of those that we're going to go in you know to justine and them for going in so do you guys feel like they actually took the opportunity here that they needed to well i we know that tyson put in some work and told david probably david and as he wrote david specifically that like hey we're not taking shots at the winners or anybody with money that could be qualifying them for the finals so you know we don't want to start that off because if you do throw somebody in that has money then you're gonna have all the other people that have money that it's gonna be really easy to just gonna throw you in next time so i think that fear for david was one thing and i know that enzo says like throw me down tyson like i'll go against tyson like i need his money whatever i think that david it's also better for david to have enzo in the house since and so we learn as his ride or die in this particular game and he wants to protect him so i think giving even though enzo says that he wants tyson and it would be a big move and tyson was worried about david wanting to make a big move to make a name for himself whatever i think that it was smarter

57:38 For him to put down somebody that he believed that enzo could win against more likely than tyson and not start that war the winners war the money war and like with everybody so i do think that he made the right decision in the end of who to throw down if he had done maybe kayla and who's kayla with leo that would have been another one that would be not too bad to throw down as well but i thought that would have been the safest route is leo and kayla so i was surprised that they didn't actually take the shot at them but also if kayla and leo are working close with ben and sarah and then desi is also working closer with ben and sarah than tyson then she wouldn't want to take that shot i thought this was actually smart i know that alyssa gets all angry and hurt that her bff derek was thrown in the line of fire but i thought that this was actually rather interesting that david would want to help out enzo which ultimately helps him back out because he's way closer with enzo than derek i'm sure of and then also shannon is hurt she talked about how she was hurting in this episode and so what if they're doing something physical or have to do something physical and shannon and david get paired up with each other next episode i think that was smart even though alyssa's like oh you're putting in a hurt girl

58:58 Oh you're so smart there david it's like okay girl calm down you're really cringe because that ultimately hurt alyssa's game so bad because derek is out that's her number one and then shannon is a shield if she is hurt she is more apt to lose in a daily challenge or be thrown in next time so alyssa's like looking at that like that's a perfect shield derrick and shannon staying in this game please and it's like girl just because your game is blowing up doesn't mean that this dude made a terrible move it wasn't that though i mean so going against big brother i guess is what she's saying but it's like sorry you set the president's precedence here like you started going against a big brother first so sorry it had to be derek but yeah she took those shots way too early and i think it's a it's an element of some of these players coming into this game not knowing the game yet that they're playing and not fully filling it out and just being so eager to make those moves early on just to get one up on that faction that got one up on them and big brother you know i did hear though that one of the reasons why alyssa made that move with x then was because the other pairings that xavier had left were very strong winners or people so that he would most likely be winning power and they might not get that opportunity again so

1:00:19 They were kind of taking the shot when they because they thought they didn't they won't have another chance later that's fair but who does she have outside of colin not that many people in the game after this so she's gonna have to be paid with the right person to be able to take a shot here drew yeah i think i think she is working very closely with tyson though because once she does have money and two apparently last week she was paired up with david and cashe brought up why don't we put alissa and david into the elimination and tyson vetoed that down really quickly was like i'm not we're not targeting alyssa so i think alyssa's working closely with tyson who is a very strong person having your corner it's just that derek is someone she could trust a hundred percent she doesn't know probably tyson too well on like a personal level so she doesn't know if he's going to turn around and throw her in at a moment's notice so i think that's where it's like i have tyson helping me but i'm also worried that he could just easily throw me and when i know derek if he gets power he's not going to throw me in no matter what type of thing now i haven't been on social media all that often in the last couple of weeks but the few times that i have been on there i've also noticed that alyssa and angela seems to be getting along really well on social media in any case so i'm assuming that's through the tyson connection that potentially there are some people

1:01:39 There that may protect alyssa still in the game i know there's a few people here in the chat that are not happy about the fact that she turned on x and that she blew her own game up but maybe she just also have a little bit of room to maneuver here in the game at this point and like drew said we could be seeing some foreshadowing here for david's game being in trouble if that is the case if that whole faction at some point does go for him unless he's safe because he's a winner i think he'll be safe because he's a winner at this right now i think that they're going to stick to that story as long as they can but one thing though i have to say though about alyssa's game is that she does seem to be really friendly with a lot of people so at her birthday in miami we saw all the instagram lives instagram stories of like it was alyssa angela was there derek x was there claire was there kylan was there who else am i forgetting cachet was there shannon was there so these were all people that were celebrating if i didn't say kayla's name already kayla was there james was there and they were all having lots of fun for alyssa's birthday and so that seems to me that she doesn't have bad blood with any of those people that are in that i just was 60 no he wasn't there no who like she that i think they're that relationship's done for sure but i'm fine with that i just

1:02:59 Want to throw this out there what i'm believing alyssa could be like or the player that i feel like comparison wise is that alyssa is very similar in my eyes to an anisa who is very strong connections with people she can work hard in these daily challenges but she is one of those players who are smaller in stature that yes she has the money now but as we get closer to the eliminations or closer to the finals i mean if somebody's looking out for somebody else for the finals or for a possible finals pairing if they are playing in pairs could there be like okay well desi wants to go up against somebody who is somebody that she believes she can beat and say like i want to go against the smallest woman in the house and if sarah and angela and alyssa are left in the game she's going to be like well i kind of want to go up against alyssa so i feel like that's where the game could go that she is she is padded right now but as we move further and more people start falling off more weaker pairings that production likes to make randomly selected be put together get taken out over and over and over again like then we get to the point where it's rubber meets the road and we got all strong people left it's like okay well

1:04:19 I'm gonna pick who i could think i could win the easiest on and whoever is stronger and connections with it or if you're in a terrible partnership and you get thrown into the elimination via last place i mean it's gonna be a tough it's gonna be a tough battle moving forward but that's how i kind of saw it while everybody was talking in my brain that if alyssa is down the line having to figure out something sarah she's going to be the first one chosen if somebody is like you get your first shot i want to run the finals with you tell me a name and i'll throw whoever you want into the elimination they're going to say alyssa and they're going to be like cool okay that's what i think all right i can see that happening for sure chasing cabrini here in the chat says dx actually said in one of his exit interviews that when david dc announced their choice kashay and kylon volunteered to go instead since shannon was hurt and kai thought he could beat enzo but dx and shannon turned them down and they regret it now so it's interesting that did not make the screen i feel like that would have been really good drama that's really stupid though yeah did we not learn anything from final reckoning you just let whoever wants to go into the elimination go like absolutely if i'm derek x i'm like yup fine sure this is a game for how much money yeah if you want to go in whatever

1:05:39 I don't care and we know it doesn't matter the money doesn't matter i've seen some people here in the live chat say that people are going to start volunteering to run the final we all know the challenge will always give you enough opportunity until the end to earn the money to run the final there's never any consequences for anyone for not jumping in and getting the money or the skulls immediately because they'll get that chance at the end so go deeper into the game so that you're a bigger player and you're remembered and fans and their minds enough to come back and play future seasons that's that would be my strategy if i'm out there i wouldn't be throwing myself in for any skulls or money no way i'm really avoiding that no matter what absolutely unless it's unless we hear like maybe down the road where tj's like hey you need this money and this is the last opportunity that you have to get it and then people are just like okay i want to go in because i need to like this is my last chance so maybe that maybe that will happen but before then i'd be like i don't want to go in sorry i'll be playing a very boring game it's avoid elimination anybody but me for sure now what's wild though is the three men that are qualified is david tyson and kyle are the only three men that are qualified i'm like wow i would never have thought that david would be amongst the ranks of those other two one of each from our fantasy teams oh

1:06:59 We'll take that we'll take that at this stage but like i said it's going to change there's going to be there's going to be more people definitely that are going to qualify for this finale we know that but let's get into the arena so obviously we have derek and shannon thrown in there to go up against the likes of enzo and justine has proven in these eliminations now that she doesn't just win daily she also kicks ass at being down there and when it matters she can pull out the performances so really applause to her like kylan said a couple of episodes ago she's a beast and she could probably go up against any of the women from the current main show mtv challenge so i would like to see that but what did you guys think of this arena and tj's whole but wait there's more i'm gonna throw in an extra little twist here at the ancient hill i agree with whatever this means for drew i mean it was okay like we hear oh there's 60 towers that need to be transferred from one space to another space pretty typical we've seen stuff like that before tires sandbags whatever then it's like the fake out okay you thought it was gonna just be that and then they do two questions like a question each where it was spelling eve because they had to spell words backwards and i didn't feel as though the words that they were spelling

1:08:19 Backwards were of the same level exactly i definitely think that goggles is a lot easier to spell backwards than cynical it just they're very different words some people don't use the word cynical that often to have seen it they may not have read it before like they may have heard the word but never seen it written out and so i think that is a word that is going to be much harder no matter what to spell than goggles which you definitely have seen spelled at least once in your life so i didn't think that was fair it felt to me that i know some people are like i don't believe that production actually interferes or has an agenda and we're like well i do i feel as though they felt as though enzo and justine were more likely to beat derrick x and shannon i think that they probably very much liked shannon's confessionals have been great all season it sucks when someone is hurt and they have to go home or that to go down into an arena and they're not able to perform to their like their best and so i think that they wanted enzo and justine to have a little bit of a disadvantage so it seemed to be a little bit more fair for the kind of the underdog team with the hurt player so i thought it was unbalanced let's not forget let's not forget

1:09:39 They both had a disadvantage you know like derek took two hours to change this flat tire shannon only phone triple a like you know they didn't know what they were dealing with out there so they had to even the playing fields here [Laughter] but i just i don't i don't necessarily like that because this was something that yeah it wasn't like a hall brawl or something like that where it's like you know like a weight class thing would come into play so yeah i kind of just didn't feel like the words were they it wasn't an equalizer in a way that i thought was fair this was a dud i'm telling you a dude a nail biter at the end i enjoyed it i'm really thrilled to see like tons of people moving tires back and forth i feel like i'm watching an internship of jiffy lube the spelling portion was bad you can't tell me that wasn't just added on when tj was like you didn't think i was gonna have you moving tires all out by the end of it i was like i wish you did i wish you did just have them moving tires by the end of it ah this was this was all right i mean i guess you had to be in the arena to really feel the tension i couldn't i was just like whatever i knew the trailer and i knew enzo won this so i was just like let's go let's move on we got to get we got to get moving here they did this on inferno season 8 with bricks 500 bricks and even back

1:10:59 Then they were like nobody's watching this isn't a really good elimination we're just gonna focus on ct yelling at a ton of people and fights breaking out on the sidelines because nobody was paying attention to kendall and leah moving 500 bricks so i guess ct tj could be really into this i was not into this whatsoever i would have loved to see kailan and cash a volunteer and then that would have been really nail-biting because i would have been like yo i'm ready for this like i want to see how this all plays out but this was not it not alan would have gone beast mode out there if he had to go run it but cash obviously similar to shannon i don't think she's the tallest girl in the house i mean a little bit no actually i'm lying let me think properly i think she's probably like five seven taller than shannon it's taller than chat for sure okay so derek said that he and shannon tried to complain to production that shannon couldn't reach the tires and were told to figure it out there was this funny moment with tyson talking about short people also being able to do things and then cracking up at his own joke while he was in production which i thought was really funny to see you don't see tyson laugh at his own jokes in those production shots very often but overall i did like the spelling stuff i'm with you guys like i could have taken it or we could have left it out it is

1:12:19 It's a thing you know it's a thing it was there but i like the having to run back and forth digging deep showing who wants it more and then also there being an element of some smart steward because they had to stack it on top of each other on a platform and obviously you know you'd expect someone like derek who's there he's supposed to be the smart guy that's what everybody's saying is but he's not really thinking about it in a practical way when he's stacking these tires and they get found out because they actually did finish first they just didn't think about the bottom the base building it from the base and enzo had this pancake like structure that he was bullying and it worked out for them i mean right until the end i thought that derek and shannon could still pull this off even with shannon's injury they were leading throughout this they just really meant something yeah it was just attention to detail at the end of it and enzo looked like he was dying out there he was really struggling well what derek x said in an exit interview was that he was just stacking them high so that shannon could stack them low and so that's kind of why he was stacking them up and so that they wouldn't get too high for shannon to be able to like she would have somewhere that she could easily stack and also apparently he made like a step a step like a i don't know step ladder for her to be able to step up to be able to like unhook the tires

1:13:39 Because she was too short to be able to do a lot of them and so yeah i think height came into a play here but they didn't really show us that in the episode see this is where tyson has a case with survivor right so when you look at survivor challenges they always amend the weight that somebody has to keep up to their body weight or they look at their height if they have to stretch out and hold something at a certain position they'll look at their height and adjust their challenge to that height for each one individually now obviously that would have meant that shannon would have had her own pile to do and derek would have had his own pile to do and they couldn't take each other's tires for instance because that would have made it too easy but maybe that is something that should be taken into consideration for the future but just to counter that a little bit though survivor yes does that at times like have like things be you're wearing whatever percentage of your weight or whatever it is but sometimes they put the thing that you have to grab and jump at the same distance and a short person might not be able to jump out and grab that team challenges yeah so last season we had someone that struggled with that right they just did it over and over and over and over again because they were too short so they don't always take that into consideration at least that i feel like they do it at the individual immunity portion of the game where your game is literally in your own hands you know where if it's a team one maybe i can understand you yeah it's still i mean it's

1:15:00 Hard to get everybody and then also you could have the argument that jordan people don't mean eliminations for jordan when he plays the game you know he's got a played with one hand and he still beats people with two hands and some of these arena challenges that he goes into so you win some you lose some well i think we're pretty much at the end of this here unless there was something else you guys wanted to talk about we probably should go into the points and get drew to talk us through how everybody did i just want to throw out there i wish they did eliminations a little bit more so like war of the worlds where they would have men going up against men women going up against women and then also having tag team eliminations as well kind of like the shailene and leroy versus baron de bond with the sandbags that they had to transfer between the two i just feel like some of the eliminations have been lackluster and i would like to see more of like classics the drone drop ball or something like that could be a little more thrilling a little bit more thrilling i did like simplicity is fine but i it's just not hitting it for me in these in these eliminations all right let's get into the draft picks and then we'll talk about points so chantal does take a double hit here this week with both derrick and shannon going from her team so even though she's got

1:16:20 Some power players left in the game down to four players in total now chantal sad i didn't realize it until i just looked at i wasn't i couldn't remember who derek and which team he was to be honest so sad to see you go down here numbers me too me too but i do still feel like i have people that will bring me points still yeah you've got some power players there you've got a three four winners all of them have won dailies so far so you're pretty much guaranteed that they're not going to be targeting them in the in the near future i'd say yeah i got some people with money my team's rich drew how did the points go this week what happened on the point side of things did we see some movements we did not necessarily see any movements except for the points going up securely in third place is my team going up 31 points from 130 to 161 my leading scorer at the moment is justine with 40 big points and my next high score is leo with 25 points so i have 161 remember that i have 161 in second place is team chris double checking it before i go into it yes team chris in second place at

1:17:40 207 points you went up 39 points this week from 168 to 207 your leading scorer is kyland or no your leading scorer is sarah with 33 points she's got she got a lot of confessionals this episode so you have 33 points with her and then kailyn has 30 points with alyssa having 29 points so you have a nice well-rounded team and despite having only four players left team chantelle is in first place getting 33 points this episode so going from 182 to 215 you guys securely in 200 points territory and your lean score of course is tyson with 52 points and cachet with 38 points so yeah congratulations those two are gonna be in the in some fighting next week so hopefully some more points there right there's fight points in this draft right if we ever get one i think we're gonna get one next week all right we'll see i think so i was gonna say i feel like i'm gonna in a bad position right now cause like i've got i'm not used to firstly having most of the players on the on the park be in my team it's a very weird feeling because normally by this time i only have like two or three players leave but secondly all the players

1:19:00 That shintel has at the moment are the players that i've enjoyed watching this season so i don't want to see any of them go so i'm like so i think that i'm good at casting i think is what i chose people that i like for this particular draft so yeah i think that i know how to pick the pick the winners in that sense for sure yeah drew how are you feeling about your team overall you mentioned there that i believe justine is your top point getter leo is a second or he's somewhere in there as well you know danny we haven't spoken much about him he's getting a weird edit this season because the only time they give him an opportunity to talk it's about kiki he doesn't add anything to the game and it's like he's there but he's still getting confessionals every single episode does that mean that there's more to come from danny i hope so i mean we're six episodes in and he has only 18 points so that means he has only 18 confessionals justine i feel very solid with danny is doing well like he's finishing in the top three top four every single week so meaning he's probably not going to start losing at any point so i feel really confident with him david i'm feeling a little bit better with but leo and kira i have no faith in kyra is barely getting any screen time except when she's sick and leo is trying to be a big bad cat but he

1:20:20 Is anything but he everybody will throw him in no matter what even sarah and ben will throw him in at the first sign so i'm his time is coming i'm sure yeah the drama has been good for me guys like having you know the likes of sarah and ben and the tyson you know thing happening obviously sarah was nowhere in the confessionals until recently so that rise has been good finally i'm getting points from her if she's not going to win the dailies at least give me some of that drama points and the confessional points and you know going out there and winning i guess an elimination as well has helped there's still some potential here i feel very confident about kyle and kyle and i at this point i feel like from just the game point i know there's a lot of people who've got opinions about kylin but i feel like he's been good as a game for as a game choice i guess for getting those points potentially winning dailies i still feel confident about the confessionals he's getting the fact that he's actually the only one interested in doing this whole global event from the challenge and being excited by that gives me some hope that potentially there's still some legs to his game we spoke a lot about alyssa this episode and the fact that she's either going to go deep here or she's going to stick her neck too far out and get chopped off at this stage but at least she's playing the game this season which is more than a lot of other people that have not been able to get a lot of those confessionals and potentially

1:21:40 Haven't been central i think in some of these episodes and for me overall this episode if i had to sum it up i enjoyed it a lot and i mentioned this to drew before we got online chantel that at least in this episode i felt like more people had a say and there was more confessionals across the board where some of the previous episodes only focus maybe on four people you know so it was good to see other people also getting into the conversation and getting a bit of an understanding of where their minds had i would still like to see a bit more of the social dynamics which we're starting to see slowly now and the day-to-day in-between challenges and things like that i think someone else mentioned in the life we're not seeing the bus rides to the clubs or any of that kind of stuff now this isn't all the cast so they might not be going out every night but james was on the end he said that you know if you think that these club things happening then you could expect that is going on right now that is something that is happening they're probably just not showing it yeah it's not being shown i think the reason why we're seeing more people is because there's less people in the game and so they have a lot more they can focus on more of what's going on and those people might be involved in the actual storyline now that there's not a lot of other people where they can kind of hide so i think that's why we're seeing a little bit more focus on more players for this particular episode but i did want to say with danny is that he was in the top three this episode it was like him and alyssa and then it was also angela and dom were the other two teams that are only a minute

1:23:00 Apart of win like from winning against desi and david so they were pretty close to winning as well and i think that we have to like say that like you know like 60 seconds if they had 61 seconds faster like danny and alyssa could have won that daily so i think that he's gonna come in with a win i think that producers are loving him mentioning kiki all the time and they're like allowing us to get these kiki confessionals in i think we talked about this before but i wouldn't be surprised if maybe they're grooming kiki for a bloodline season on the main show which i think would be super awesome and so i think that danny makes it to the end of the season i do think that danny is going to run the final it just seems like he's positive about the season and he doesn't seem to be bitter about the season at all and that would lead me to believe that he had a fair shot so i expect this and he's too likeable you know he's just like who's gonna who's gonna vote against danny like i mean what is he doing to piss people off right now like he's just sitting back being cool calm and collected you know and then going through the season yeah he definitely did his business no not at all no his biggest enemy in his mind is his you know performance that he has to put out there week in and week out to keep impressing kiki you know like if he doesn't impress kiki enough she might not let him back in the house after the season

1:24:21 Exactly if i'm hoping he gets the win soon and hoping is coming next episode because it is rumored that danny and justine are paired up next episode so that would be fantastic for this guy so hopefully that yes and also just for our next episode please steen is your queen oh also i did hear though that i don't know i think it was dolores actually that might have commented this that tyson said that a lot of people were sick at around this time and so we only really saw kira because it was an episode kind of around folks around her and tyson but more than just her were sick so i don't know if it was food i don't know if it was the area but apparently something is true they got some sort of bug or i don't know if it's been forcing or like some bug of the area but a lot more people than just here over sick so just saying yeah oh it's good to know it's good inside and it could also be why tyson's irritated that like they're not taking precautions maybe to keep them safe and maybe survivor does and doesn't want people to be sick in that way so maybe this is a good one here by christina saying maybe paramount plus should do [ __ ] you should have seen every season or every week so we could see some of that things that didn't

1:25:41 Make the it was still on the cutting floor that didn't make the actual show because i feel like that's the thing we always complain about with paramount plus like it's like give me live feed is great like the challenge usa is great i think it's been a successful paramount plus but because it's such a short season and i'm not advocating for the 18 or 20 episodes that we get in the main show because that seems too dragged out sometimes as well but i do think having some of that behind the scenes footage could be really interesting as well if it's like 10 or 15 minutes or whatever it is i mean this is an online platform it's a streaming platform that they could put these things onto easily it doesn't need to be at a specific schedule between shows you know on cbs for instance true yeah i mean i would love it i would like to see more because it's i kind of equate it to like if you're watching big brother or survivor and they cut out majority of the social strategies which is what a lot of people watch for they want to see intent to play and strategies and politicking and personalities and i get it's the challenge we have to do two challenges one challenge and one elimination every single week so it's like they want to put a lot of emphasis on that because that's also clean and fun for the whole family but we want to see but we want to see actual gameplay going on instead of flashbacks for two seconds going like

1:27:02 Leo and sarah should go in all right and that's why we picked leo and sarah because their name popped up it's like okay well it's great that was great gameplay thanks guys so i would like more of it all right as we close things off here chantel let us know what's happening on reality realness with three s's over the next week well tomorrow i'll go live with sarah to talk about this episode again i can't wait to hear her thoughts about this episode this week it would be my third time yes but i do know what that was very interesting is that all the conversations are completely different it's very i think it's very it's actually very fun i don't get bored or like say the exact same things on every single one necessarily some obviously things are going to overlap but for the most part like they're very different so i'm going to be talking about sarah from nurtainment tomorrow i just watched the first two episodes of snake in the no the first episode of snake in the grass i like it and so i'm thinking of maybe doing some coverage with that but that hasn't happened yet so just you'll be looking out for me for love island pretty much every day either right after the episode or if i'm doing something else beforehand it'll be the next day at 6 15 eastern and then the bachelorette after the episode same with the amazing race after the episode and then you know back to regular scheduled

1:28:22 Programming with the challenge usa on wednesdays fridays and saturdays so i think that's all i've got going on drew what about your channel what's happening on the angel cake entertainment channel over the next week we got patreon going live for tiny table talk tomorrow night for patreon exclusive sunday is the finale for endurance season five i got a clip and also i want to throw this out there i'm doing a daily poll and i'm trying to go somewhat what russell muscle tv did and as well as athana mail they did all putting up two survivor or big brother seasons every single day and then everybody gets to choose and then it was just a giant bracket to see which is the favorite season and i'm doing that for the challenge right now i think we're on base five and we're going to be heading out to day six it's gonna be like 36 days this is gonna be exciting tuesday i'll have a video where i collab with the thana male talking about our retrospective on the season what we feel about the challenge usa is it going the way we thought who's surprising us who did we pick to go far and did not go for and more as well as another video coming out review and recap on thursday and friday i have a plan to have a video but i don't know what it will be just yet so yeah check out angel cake entertainment channel for

1:29:42 More content on the challenge that sounds really exciting especially that little bit of collab you're going to be doing with a fan email on the nullified tech channel we have not done this week's recap yet for survivor south africa return of the outcast that's going to happen later on in my day i'm not too sure what time it would be over in the us but early morning hours i would assume on saturday morning hours it is already scheduled on the channel if you want to jump on that or watch it later on really excited to talk about this week i've also got some exit interviews that will be dropping soon for this week of survivors of africa return of the outcasts going into next week there is going to be a slight change of schedule for the challenge usa for when we cover it on this channel for the next couple of weeks we're gonna be two hours earlier than what we have been i will give you guys more information in regards to that at a later stage but just keep an eye on the community tab i'm hoping that it doesn't mess things up on your site too much i love having the live people here with us doing the chat but it is for a very good reason that i have to move this which i can't just publicly talk about as of yet but you will know in a week why we had to do this but as always guys thank you so much for checking out this podcast this recap we will see you guys next time as always and goodbye