The Challenge: World Championship Episode 12 Review ft Troy

0:03 Foreign [Music] [Music] [Music] foreign [Music] [Music] Tech channel here on YouTube where we've got the TNT takes for you on the challenge World Championship that's right it's finale week and Kahuna and I are very lucky to be joined by a finalist of the challenge World Championship Troy how you doing g'day yeah good thing how you guys doing yeah good it's been a whole week since I actually it hasn't even been a weekend since I last spoke to you but how's things on your end you're doing really good man like

1:23 Feeling recovered feeling well I had that rest last week from The Challenge which I am absolutely devastated I miss having you know a great episode there Chris and lots of fun and entertaining activity in the chat including Troy himself and he thought he'd come back on so I'm glad I'm here I'm glad that was impressive we had you and Danny communicate on the live with each other which was really cool to see we've since then I've reached out to Danny I've spoken to him and he has said that he wants to come and talk at some point I believe he's going to be on reality realness with three Aces Chantel's channel to do a deep dive with her one-on-one and then possibly he'll also talk to myself and Drew in a combined interview so I still need to talk to Drew about that but guess what I am heading to Tampa next week so you know I'll be in Drew's neck of the woods who knows we might be able to get our dots and eyes crossed and we could get this interview done with Danny as well which I'm really excited to talk about this finale with him and the season as a whole and then obviously Troy we've had you on before but now that the season is over you know everything goes you can you can speak freely about everything this season yeah I guess so that's probably speaking a bit more freely than other people anyway but yeah it was a good season you know I think yeah we had a blast I think the

2:43 Great thing is I feel like I made a lot of friends out of it but I would have liked that money unfortunately it wasn't meant to be but it is I feel like you're edit heading into the end like when we spoke to you the first time you were on we barely saw you in the edit up until that point because they had so many other people that had to focus on the episodes you were quite vocal to say the episodes are quite short maybe if it was an hour long 60 Minute run time you would have had more air time but that kind of shifted towards the end when yourself and Casey became a team you got thrown in many a times to you know go into the arena to fight for your spot in the game and then towards the end of this I really felt like they were giving you a lot more air time and showing a lot more of what you're capable of do you feel a little bit Vindicated now as well I mean since when we were spoken till now at least they sort of ramp it up a little bit towards the end right yeah I do feel a bit more Vindicated like it's like I said you know if you don't get a chance to throw your character that they're not going to like I feel really bad I feel bad for Theo they've been accepted if you know you've only got 45 minutes to do it and you're not

4:04 A direct like right in a direct line and why things happen and all that and I was really fortunate to have done with this I was really fortunate to be in elimination I sort of brought my character out a bit more and got me a bit more yeah who I am well both you and Casey and I'm gonna definitely say hello to everybody in the Life pretty soon because we've got so many people already commenting there excited to see you on the live here with us Troy and I think there's like maybe 10 of excitement to see me in Kuna but 90 excitement to have you with us here on the live today but you know another person who I really feel like benefited a lot from the season and I feel like her stocks has risen so much in fans eyes as Casey your partner like because we've never seen Casey sweat before we've never seen her in trouble in any of the previous challenges which is an indication of how good of a game player she is she hardly ever gets herself in trouble but this season was very different and it was really cool to see how she came to play and she had that same Aussie battler spirit that you had out there in the arena what was it like playing with her especially now that you've gone to battle so many times in the arena with her and you did a finale with her

5:28 I felt like it was different I felt like with Amber for me it was like we connected really emotionally and we'd like to do the right thing and stand up for the little people and that sort of thing but then with Casey it was like it was like the same as my competitive side so I was like when I was competing with her I just felt like we're on the same wavelength we both just wanted to get the job done we weren't faulty of people for putting it in although we did eventually yeah but you know we'll just do it and we'll just try and get out get the job done I feel like yeah we've really connected especially in the sand like when we were competing and even in our final we were just on the same wavelength which is really good yeah let's say hello to a few people here Kahuna in the live tonight as well angel cake welcome to the live stream always good to have you here my friend also Chris saying oh my God it's Drew off the angel cake entertainment channel fangirling out there Chris IU clip and Claus is saying hello everyone also saying hashtag King Troy saying hi take your time just got home movie so this is good to see everybody I thought I was saying Andrew cake forget to tell you the Travelers Fender podcast gave you a shout out that's awesome it's awesome that angel K got that chatter as well who else do we have here we've got Danica in the live as well saying Kahuna

6:48 Nice to see you all I'm so glad everyone is reaching out to be on the show well not everyone but we're working our way up there you know Troy's been an absolute champ and has been talking to us throughout the whole season I finally had a bit of contact with Danny as well so I'm sure more people will follow I do think a big part of this and this is something that you could probably let us in on Troy is yeah I think like the challenges that have been on the show for quite a long time they're they're kind of in a click so they'll do the official challenge podcast they'll talk on that podcast but they do sometimes shy away from fan made podcasts this is the feeling I get because of some of the crazy opinions that are out there because challenge fans are very fanatic like you know they either love you or they hate you so I feel like challenges probably don't know what to expect if they were to go onto a podcast that is run by fans yeah I got an idea to be honest I just like getting involved so to be honest as a fan myself I want to give back as much as possible so yeah I don't know yeah maybe that's what they feel but I can't fit for them I know that Sarah did come out on a feeling the feelings podcast and this space he doesn't like Associated himself with some of the other ones which I get from fair enough because some of them you figure a hard time but yeah I guess that's something that people might feel but yeah I feel like that is you know that's a fair thing to feel like if I was a competitor to out there kuna I was putting

8:08 My Blood Sweat and Tears into a season trying to compete trying to get some money to take back home and I had people bagging me the whole season I don't know like actually to be honest the kind of person that I am I probably would go out there just to like you know Stand My Ground and let them know about the things they didn't see but everybody reacts differently to it right Kuna I mean as a fan and you know podcast the content creator around the challenge I like to think it's because yeah they're intimidated by us and not the fact that they're you know on a TV show and don't really care about people that do a random Youtube channel so maybe it's I don't know which one it could be you know there's they're more than happy to go on yeah bananas podcasts and other colleagues and people have been on it but yeah maybe some you know the nullify taking a couple years will be big enough to make get all of them on especially because of people like Troy yeah 100 Troy we are so grateful for the fact that you're you know like you said you're a fan yourself you're wanting to come on here you're wanting to talk about the final and I think this is a great opportunity to start talking about the final a little bit here but I do want to go to Kahuna before I come to you Troy and I want to ask you how did you feel as a fan watching this final where would this rate for you based on some of the other finals that we've seen over the years do you think that it lived up to the expectations

9:28 Of what we have for a final when it comes to being a viewer of the show I don't know I'm a bit mixed on this final to be honest with you because I know that it looked brutal but there was there was a few things that I was like what my big thing was the fear Express I didn't like get it I was like why is why is he dressed like the you know like cosplaying here like every season though he does it every season I know I love it I love it when he does it when it fits in theme spies lies and allies we got the jumpsuit like he's on Top Gun and all that sort of thing but like I think it was all stars one when where was the All-Stars won what country was it in again I forgot but he had like the Poncho in the head riding on the horse like he's always like cosplaying and dressing up for the occasion so I feel like it's a very it's a very strict criticism yeah of this final to be honest it is and it's my own personal thing I understand that but when I saw the world championship they've got countries from all over the world The Branding the badge looks like a proper sports logo and for the longest time I've had the challenges America's fifth major sport and they're doing it seriously they're getting genuine competitors in there they've got a Ninja Warrior they've got NFL players they've got people

10:49 Really trying to compete and then they do like the whole themed cosplay fear Express oh so scary like I liked it I liked it I like it when it matches I didn't see the fit there I didn't see the fit well Chris is saying here in the comments I like the train conductor suits summer down Kona angel cake is saying unpopular opinion I like the trend although I felt they didn't use it to its full potential as the fear Express I would agree with that angel cake like I expected more from it but I do think this was TJ's way of playing mind games with the finalists because they didn't know what to expect they didn't know if they could relax sleep if they had to stay awake like what was going on so Troy as the person who was out there you know you're in South Africa of all places in the middle of the night in an abandoned train station waiting for this train to come and you realize that it's the fear Express what was your thoughts and the thoughts of some of the other finalists when you when you heard what the theme was going to be of this finale we're all trying to like look in through the windows and we actually see the little bit of the medical area and we're like oh no like

12:09 What are we gonna have to do in there like we felt like every night we're going to be subject to almost I guess yeah so that's how we felt as the collective and then when we got in there the first night and was surprised that we're able to sleep I would very happy but I've also felt like it was a double-edged sword and we're going to get woke up in the middle of the night so personally I was Paranoid the paranoid of the world yeah I mean that I think that's what he tried to do he didn't want you to be comfortable now obviously there were people from the main show that just did a hundred hour finale coming into this thing so I'm sure there was talk about like listen this thing could go on for 100 hours it might not be a one day two-day thing they could drag it out it's World Championship so they're going to do something massive for the specific finale but overall it just ends up with you falling asleep I guess how did you have like a full night's sleep on that first night going in because obviously we know things are going to go downhill very quickly as soon as the finale starts the next day and for both yourself and Casey you guys were coming in with an handicap having just having competed down in the sand yeah but I had that same handicap Australia so I don't think you can run anything and it was my good life time to be honest

13:29 It's going to be great but now we only got about five to six hours please on that train like I think we would have ended up going about it I don't know what time maybe 1am than I am for the first segment so yeah it wasn't a great amount of sleep in it wasn't the best sleep ever like I'm very blessed that I can sleep anywhere and everywhere so I'm sure I got a good night's sleep but I'm not sure everyone else did yeah I want to read a couple of the comments here coming in Amaya saying the final in terms of content was not hard for from what we saw very easy puzzles and stuff the eating probably was the hardest part the heat though I'm sure was killing and also I will point this out Amaya I think that running and the cycling you never fully understand how much energy and effort it takes to move and if there was like you know a lot of altitude or like you know Hills and things for you guys to run up that's the stuff that does not translate well to the TV screen right Troy because I remember at one point seeing that first section that we had to do the four different puzzles or whatever you had to do the that was like 28 kilometers for you guys to run which is not a short distance at all yeah so 16 miles now it was massive but it was funny because I actually took summer eclipse from

14:55 So it was like uphill the entire way one way maybe about 400 meters of elevation game and then by the time you got to the top that's where you turn around Point you'd run all the way back down and you'll put on a steady decline on the way back so not quite running at all and the paths were like Rocky and deep you have to watch this step everywhere and obviously see her unfortunately didn't but you can never get to that in a minute but yeah so you really had to watch the steps that's for sure we'll come back to you mentioning that there was a sec a section before this you brought up Theo so I want to go over to you Kahuna you know as a fan we were all so excited to see Theo finally come back and do the challenge like we're all big Theo fans and we know you know what he can bring to the show from a personality standpoint from a competitor standpoint how disappointed were you to see him go out in such a manner here in the finale and do you think that you know Theo would have been up there with the leading pack of this didn't happen because it happened so early on and what was your thoughts about Sarah as a whole because I feel like you know people came into the season on Sarah's back because she had this rivalry with Angela and people were like very against her combative nature and The Challenge USA where I've always been a stand of you know Sarah she's part of the cops R

16:15 Us Alliance from Survivor so I've been a day one fan but how do you feel like you know Theo's Legacy sets off in the game after rolling his ankle the disappointment and Sarah how she handled this finale running it with him yeah I'm a big Theo fan I'd love Theo in his first season I thought he has the total package and potential to be one of the greats of the game and I think I've always been a bit disappointed that he's been so hard done by to push so far in that first crazy final comes second to Turbo and then have the eye thing take him out for a few seasons and now he finally gets his chance back on and he rolls an ankle while looking backwards yeah it's disappointing Theo has all the physical athletic gifts he's funny he's Charming he could be one of the Mainstays for the flagship going forward they could like make him one of those dudes like a bananas a Jordan a West kind of character and it's a shame I hope that like he's reduced edit is not going to be a sign that he's not coming back anytime soon because he's a great guy Sarah like Sarah is obviously ultra competitive I don't have a problem with her like other people do I like seeing that from women that can push far and push their limits and know what they want and go after it but

17:36 In this final like even with Theo rolling his ankle Sarah was still behind like of the four teams she was also behind Theo like most of the time when he's walking on one foot and I felt like she was a little bit to like maybe this is too much criticism especially when you know I'm sitting here in my office weighing 200 plus kilos and I'm like she's lagging behind like it's so ridiculous but I felt like she was very vocal about unlike like last season we saw Jordan and Lisa and Lisa roll her ankle and Jordan become the that he can be this time we see Theo roll his ankle and Sarah's like it's okay man if you want to quit you can quit anytime she was a little bit too like okay with it you know like and I thought I thought some people might think that based on the edit but I will say this I do know that she's done some Ultra marathons and some Iron Men type of stuff like she can run like I don't think there's a doubt that she could have finished this whole thing for me personally knowing sort of her background and what she's done before I do feel like she was more concerned about Theo's you know health and him not pushing himself if they were never going to win it because they were that far behind why injure yourself in a way where it's going to potentially hurt your chances of coming back in the future or

18:56 Having to go through rehab or something like that's what I got it maybe that's just me being the buyers Sarah Defender here but true we're going to come to you ran this final one both of them what's your thoughts on it yeah look I think Sarah is a beast and she had a lot more to give I think she was being a bit kind fear letting him go out I think there was probably stuff they probably were going to come last they were probably looking at that laying that up but I know Sarah leading into it and the reason you might have seen her lagging behind is so he was already sick I'm telling you right now if he was not right it looked like whatever we had in the house that she might have got really leading into that final wow because he looked a bit exhausted a bit down in energy and you know I'm sure something she might not say publicly because she might see it as a an excuse or whatever you know you might not want to put it out there but I reckon she was struggling with the sickness or something before that's mine that explains that explains it because I think Kahuna picked up on the fact that she was lagging behind a bit and knowing what she's capable of that was surprising to see her not do better and keep up with Theo but you know ultimately I do agree here with a mayor where she says I love Sarah I don't care people dislike her for weird reasons yeah

20:16 Sometimes people get weird about these things yeah they get very tribal about who they like maybe Sarah goes up against their favorites they don't like it but I do feel like this really showed us this season showed us a very Human Side of Sarah you know caring about Ben when he got sick and he was going out even though they were going against each other they were sort of clashing a bit and then also seeing the fact that she here cared about Theo and even to the point where you could see her being quite emotional at the end saying that you didn't let me down when Theo felt like he let her down and Troy you in this finale came across as the ultimate partner because Casey was struggling as well and a big part of this finale the way it looked to us the audience was you were carrying the team on your back you know and this is not taking away from Casey because literally she had to keep up with you yeah literally and figuratively out there she had to keep up with you she did do that she got to the Finish Line how difficult is it you know because Casey on a good day would have kept up with you but she came in not a hundred percent after that elimination and how difficult is it to balance and to know when to push and when to encourage and sort of how much he could get out of your partner because I feel like that's a skill set that not many people have yeah that was a the biggest struggle I had with the final to be honest I felt like I watched Jordan pushing cash and that's what Kaz needed and he

21:36 Was doing the right amount of pushing pool and I tried to push a little bit but I'm telling you I could tell in a stage I think she ended up having something called lactic acidosis because I could build up of lactic acid and the screens didn't really show how much she was battling for me out there like she I reckon if I wasn't there she probably would have left the game and that's no like this credit to her that's just how much pain she was actually in and I felt like I was able to push her and get around her enough but like I was a bit of a support for her though so that she didn't actually quit the game because I felt like if you could have quit the game at any point until thinking about it the whole time and I was just trying to keep her upbeat and they're like hey look you know and that was by the time Jordan hasn't sort of run up ahead and he was really struggling actually had to pick her up at points I was like cases like I get but if you're struggling and I just really want to finish this final I know it might be for nothing but it's just something I want to finish TJ's finals like I wanted to win but my dream of that was slowly slipping away and I tried to push a little bit a bit like Jordan but not too hard but a little bit now I could just see that was going to get me nowhere so I then had to change

22:58 You know the way I looked at the final which was sad to me I could look at it as like okay well now I'm battling just to finish and get her across the line I'll get those the whole panels just go through there then like okay so you're gonna be so proud of yourself if you push through this and get it done together like it's going to be Next Level cool and I don't think you guys saw yeah how badly like he was showing like her fingers were like cramping from using the sticks which we collected and got for her because she couldn't literally couldn't walk without them and her arms were cramping from like holding on to me it was actually insane like her body was literally just shutting down on it and I said had to try and finish it with her it was pretty full-on and well the respect that I have for Casey like I said this season she's really proven herself in so many levels the respect I have for her to continue to push with you know Chris here is saying that you know you were a great partner and admin aerotex welcome to the live for the first time says hey Troy loved you on the show I also just want to say you know I agree with Danica I'm glad she crossed the finish line for you and just the fact that she pushed through to do that yeah absolutely and that's what I mean like unfortunately

24:18 I don't think it came off because he wasn't right like if you haven't seen that morning I knew she wasn't right the day before but I didn't know how bad it was and I thought I would have had a feed I know she didn't have a sleep I'm like oh maybe she's come back and then in that morning she literally almost starts breaking down next time it was at that point I sort of started realize whoa something's like really wrong with Casey and I noticed she's the best and she gets a lot of slack online for apparently not being his endurance Queen but I think you can't say that after this season or after this file because she wasn't herself and she's still been like she was like I'm surprised yeah for me that was incredible and for her to do it for me I'm just so grateful you know to her to push past and get it done I guess a massive respect for Casey for doing that I also wanted to read this comment here by Deanna she said that Danny said on the challenge Mania podcast that Sarah was really sick stopping every 10 minutes to go to the bathroom and she was being questioned for being medically able to continue from the start off the first day so she was a bit of a question mark and then obviously seeing Casey like angel cake here says in so much pain and Troy carrying her at one point proof that both are Fighters with them crossing the Finish Line

25:39 I had to think about it like Troy and you can let us in on the secret behind the editing here how far did you actually carry her what she got on your back because I was like maybe the cameras was there for a little bit they got the shot but surely I mean I don't doubt you can do it but I mean this is in the you know the second day you've run for a lot like you know how effective was that strategy was right there so it was pretty effective actually because Casey initially didn't want me to pick her up she was like no I'm not doing that I'm like please Casey can we just please just I get it can you please just put your plot away for a little bit I've got so much more to give than you let me pick you up and eventually feels like okay I'll let you know pick me up so I was very grateful to you know let me do that for one so I could at least compete for the best of my abilities and I said to her it feels why that she was gonna be too heavy I'm like okay that's fine if you think you're gonna be too heavy that's for me to decide just let me pick you up carry you for a bit and if I'm struggling I'll put you down we can walk for a bit I'll pick you up again carry you so I can't put you down I will walk for a bit so we did that like maybe 10 to 25 like we did that a lot I reckon I probably would have carried her between 800 meters and a kilometer up this hill just in 100 meter third it's like so yeah it's a long way up the hill yeah so

26:59 We carried her a long way up this hill and that was just to get to these flags and I kept trying to bought little flag for her to have little goals like I'll let her flags are up there and we're thinking it was going to finish at that puzzle station I was like oh if you get to that puzzle station there's Flags TJ could be there and everything and I think once you've heard that you thought it I didn't need to really pick her up after that because we could sort of see and then but she was constantly having her arm around me and I was trying to help her up but yeah it was funny it was like a mental battle for me and for her and as well as a physical one but yeah I did carry a fair way but so if you're questioning you on that's like if I was there I'm sure I could have only carried it for like 50 meters or 100 meters and I would have been like no more because they would have been different what I thought of what we did I'll put a carry it for 100 meters put it down for 100.

27:57 Carry it for 100 put it down 400 and it was just sort of our way of because my thing was while I'm carrying it you just rest and try and get enough energy that you can then be put down and then walk a little bit more and because yeah at that stage we had the medical band following us too so they were worried that painter was going to pull out in the second yeah and it was sort of like that point was make or break it was like either we can do it and it's going to take the pages but we're going to get it done or we're gonna have to pull out and I just wanted to make sure it was the first option that we could get through the finals yeah I want to read a couple more comments This Guy's in here so clip and Clause here says Troy made me enjoy Casey this season he was an incredible partner and I saw a new site away from Nani and fessie totally agree with you clip and Claws Asia saying yay Troy you did amazing I hope to see you on the main show so you've got some support there for the main show is you know I can't help but think Troy watching you and I'm not just saying it because you've been friendly to the podcast of the show to the fans but I'm sure everybody else would agree in the live here that you were bloody impressive this finale like I mean you like having a partner that was breaking down having to keep that person calm having to pretty much because I'm sure when she's breaking down she's in no mental state to really help you with the puzzles help you with some of the checkpoints at times that was sort of

29:17 Part of our strategy too because I knew that you just had to use that whole time to recover so we got down but we put on vacation don't worry about it even if this takes me half an hour do what you need to do fill up your water whatever you've got to do this through it so that we can get because we at that stage then you we had to go up that massive bill just to get it done but now back on your points I have been appreciating a lot for the love I've been getting from fans I've been closely surprised Universal I don't think there's anybody that came out of this season like I mean being a Troy hater like what there's nothing to hate like you had a great season you were kind you were a great partner you did extreme but what I actually wanted to say was and Kona I'm sure you would agree with me on this and I'm sure the fans would agree with me on this I see someone that has the potential to be a Jordan from a competition standpoint you're very much the same player you're not as combatifism personality wise which is a great plus you know because you're definitely more likable yeah I guess I guess if you're combative they'll want you on the show because you bring drama right but I do think you've got that fighter spirit and you so if someone crosses you they throw you in the arena you take shots back like you going up against you know Emily throwing her back

30:37 In there as well that showed a fighter spirit that showed that you're not going to let people walk on you out there but from an athletic standpoint you know you've got that same body weight ratio to power weight ratio a thing going on your gratitude endurance you're great at the puzzles there wasn't really much that stumped you in this finale so I'd be shocked if they don't reach out to you in the future so if there was future calls coming your way is this something that you want to make a thing do you want to become a main show competitor more frequently since you are such a big fan I know it's a dumb question to ask but I have to ask the fans if you get away from this podcast without asking that's all right no I would love to obviously man like okay it's just like so strange to tell people what it's like if you haven't experience it's quite surreal it's like you disappear off the face of the Earth for six weeks or at least I've been lucky enough to be gone six weeks both times and in this like alternate reality where all that matters is this game and what happens inside that game and that sort of thing so it's really cool and fun and it's like all the art you hear a lot of the other challenge players say it's like a weird addiction like you know I don't know it's like a torture in there you know you do this lecturers final you know you're paranoid half the time and

31:57 Then you get to the end of it you're like man that was fun like I want to do that again you know so the album to do it again to be honest it was a great experience and you know if anybody I think anybody if anybody from production ever comes across this Channel and just so happened to listen to a fan podcast get Troy back because if you look at all the comments that we are getting here in our life right now Dolores saying I feel Troy is a true or a future vet that's how good he is it's right saying not having Troy in the flagship is a missed opportunity you know there's a lot of people here that are saying yes Troy has the heart we have been missing he literally was a breath of fresh air on the Australian version and the Wolves so I'm here for it there's so much support and love for you from the fans that I would be shocked if they don't take notice of this and they don't put you back on the show Troy kuna go ahead you wanted to say something apologies yeah that's all right so we've seen Troy now in two back-to-back seasons and Drew mentioned two finals championship then the finals undefeated in eliminations your resume as far as pure statistics go to be brought back to the flagship when we've seen so many people get called back many times without doing what you've done is incredibly impressive the resume speaks for itself but the context within

33:17 What we've seen on TV also adds I think we've got Casey who has partnered with fessi and got chewed out in the finals where she got a similar injury and really like showed how bad fetty was in that final she's been partnered with CT in one and she's sitting here going how amazing you are when she's been with CT one of the goats of all time right you've got undefeated eliminations when two of those were some like one of them was the most brutal pole wrestler we've seen before a challenge before it before sorry a final then we see you go into a whole brawl beat someone who's bigger than you not like you know fassie or Zach or something but still outsized and Performing well then you've got a rivalry with your own Australian people going on which you took them out in what I said last week was one of the most humiliating defeats in the challenge history I think in context when you see what happened around it I think yes statistically on paper your thing looks great khaz has got now two championships back to back and looks amazing but what you've done in context of building a TV show around it while still being the nice guy and not having to be I'm a big character and I'm bringing good TV and I'm doing it by being showy and I'm doing it by being an and I'm doing it by causing drama you're not doing any of that you're doing it just by working hard and being a

34:37 Good bloke and we don't see that very often on a show like The Challenge and I think yes your resume speaks loudly but I think what you've done with that also speaks incredibly loudly to bring you back to the flagship and the universal praise that we've seen in all the Facebook groups I'm in Reddit and everything I the worst the absolute worst I've seen anyone say about Troy this reason and I don't want to offend you with this story but I've told you already the worse anyone has ever said about Troy was meh because I think early on in the season it was a bit boring there's no negativity there's no bad things it's just that you didn't get the edit early but you're showing everyone now what you've been made of and you said in the end of the final I hope I represented Australia did well and as an Aussie mate you did you did for sure thank you I guess for me I find it hard hearing all this from all these people and even from you guys because to be honest I just feel like I'm just an ordinary guy you know I'd feel like I'm one of you guys I could be anybody and I feel like I really am and for me I want to show everybody else that like if you want to put your mind for something and you really want to do something you can go do it like if you just try your very best of not allow things to happen it'll happen for you so like examples of that is like exactly

35:58 Horrible pole wrestles like out Mac I guess outweighted in both of them and my mindset my entire life has always been like all right that's cool let's think of 3 000 ways I Converse Conrad or even Danny like Dana horrible I need that one way I can win I don't need the 299 wave or probably put down in a horrible probably 999 ways odd gluten I need that one way I could win you know what I mean I just think in life I just want everybody else to look at life in that way you know try and think of the ways that you can win in life whether it's getting a promotion if that's what you want or finding you know a girlfriend or whatever it may be and for me that just what I feel like I represent you know when you go in there because when we look at you physically and I'm sure you've gotten it your whole life you know just how your height your stature you don't look at someone like yourself Troy and say oh this person is going to run over people or going to win a pole wrestle or it's gonna you know win a whole Brawl for instance and you go out there and you do it and you consistently perform out there and I wanted to say that you know you mentioned earlier that you know you it could be good to have this combative personality as like a like a Jordan but every good villain needs a good

37:18 Hero you need the yin and yang to make a good season so you know that archetype for a hero like they're kind of dying out currently on the main show on the challenge like we need new Heroes to get behind so but that's all we were going to talk about in regards to your legacy on the game and trying to get you back because we don't want to continue to butter you up the whole podcast let's get back to the finals let us know what that first section was yeah so the first section was like a massive run we actually started from that train station where we had the bikes we started from the same train station except we ran sort of right and by the lake so we ran like out in front of the lake across all these Hills all the way over to like the far corner to this like River and then once we got to this River we actually we our time stopped and they're like getting the wetsuits getting these wetsuits like super quick and then your time would start again once you sort of left and you got to this River and you sort of followed this little river I think I put a photo of it up on Instagram

38:38 I think it was my first photo and you'll see photos of other Challengers who have put them up because they gave us the photos for them but they cut it out anyway so that would have been like maybe a five kilometer run and then we went up this Dam there was like a damn wall that was had water all coming over we got like clipped in a harness and we had to use the road and we had to climb on this thin cable and sort of pull ourselves up but the person at the bottom which I realized quickly before Jordan who was behind me and I faced the opposite way so he couldn't see what I was doing the person at the bottom could help so I pulled Katie all out really quick and then he looked at him he's like how's Casey going so quick and he saw an old thing and started pulling cab out but then the second person that hit that obviously then didn't have a burst at the bottom so you have to pull your Prime yourself up and over the dam once you got over this spam you're in the water you had to swim all the way out to these puzzle pieces which looked like they'll be for a tentagram so there was about four puzzle pieces I think so this small easy pentagram but you went and got the puzzle pieces and then you had to like from there jog or walk or whatever run uphill like three to four kilometers and that's where you would have seen one of the takes come I think it was Jordan and Cavs going up that like super steep incline that was where that came from and then we went up to the prop built that puzzle which

39:58 Is our puzzle pieces we fitted them in and what we got was that's when we got our canister with our flag coming out before and mind you that character was Heavy I would have weighed about five kilos it was disturbingly heavy and then from there we had to run back to the train without cancer how long do you reckon this whole section sort of took you before you because I did find it strange because I used to do quite a lot because I've told you before I do Spartan races obstacle course races so I used to go running Fleck on weekends I'd do like a 21 kilometer run right yeah so I kind of know how long that would take you to do that type of running and at 28 kilometers I was thinking in my mind how did it get so late you know because you feel like something didn't match up so this was obviously the section that we didn't see how long do you reckon that took and you know were you quite surprised they took such a big portion of the finale out they already have about 15 to 20 kilometers long longer running maybe about 800 meters of swimming yeah and I reckon it was probably took us three or four hours to complete round trip back to the train so yeah right and then you had the section after that which probably would have taken another four hours so you probably were out there eight hours yeah that would have taken probably longer than four yeah that was a while yeah probably about four hours three to four hours probably about saying yeah you

41:18 Had the different segments that you had to do every time you got to a checkpoint and with the checkpoint it was quite interesting it didn't in the beginning I was looking at it and I was like it doesn't really matter which one you go for first because you're going to end up going back that you have to do all of them but it didn't work out so well for Danny Tory Jordan and Kaz and that's where you kind of got the opportunity to go past both Danny and Tori again towards the end of the day because they all ended up on the same eating challenge right at the end so was there a bit of thinking going on in regards to keeping track of who's doing what were you able to do that was a bit of dumb luck that you didn't get stuck there no that wasn't done luck and they didn't show that either but it was funny that's why when we started running optimizing people walk pretty quick because we'd already done that bulk before but we when we first got there and we did the wait for it and we did leave in third not long after touring Danny that one that tour and Danny did can I just give a hats off to Danny because throwing that bolt in that little bucket ages away was really hard and he was the one oh I've been asking that got it actually done really quickly so that man's got an arm on it anyway so we knew that Sarah and Theo had the drink and that was the only station we felt like we could get held up on so our whole thing as we were running in third now was okay if we don't do the drink this time round

42:38 Which would have been our second checkpoint then we'd have to do it the third time round but if Tory and Danny are thinking strategically and they think that Sarah they see that cousin Jordan who are in a lead haven't done it and they do it then we've got to wait for them to finish or Jordan and Kaz to finish if we happen to catch up for them so we sort of bit the bullet and I was like because at this stage Casey was she was just focused on what she was doing so I said to her we've got to do the drinks second to prevent make sure we prevent being held up because we knew that was a possibility it was explained to us clearly that you had to if a station was fully and you hadn't done it yet you had to wait so I knew that station was taking the longest because Sarah and Theo took yeah Sarah took a while on it and I know how bad that was like that drink was disgusting and I felt like it was it was worse for us MVPs in a way because we had already had it so we were like vomiting before we even started drinking it pretty much oh so bad that was so happy you know if they give me some black but it's I'm so happy some of the legend had to try that because that was bad and I told them that to qualify and I'm happy they got the stuffer along with us but they did they yeah you made guys the date of telling you guys what they put in it no they didn't but I want to make it my life's

43:58 Mission now to recreate it so that I can give it back to the talent fans so that they can try it out and they can be like wow that was incredibly disgusting so I'm going to do my best I actually might get some feelers out after this and I'll do my best to try and find out what the rough recipe was always make it at home I'll taste it at home make sure it tasted the same because I can never forget that taste and I'll try and get it out for the fans because I reckon the fans are going to take that one because it was gross man so gross you made you made full use of Paramount pluses f-bombs when it came to that check as well I am known to drop one from tons of times especially because I'm a stadium if I do drop it from time to time when I'm frustrated generally I don't say it to people I just say it and frustration that the ambiguous feeling like but yeah when I was watching it with my family and my grandma and all that after they've been like oh you've represented yourself so well this season and then in that episode I'm dropping you from every two seconds that's fair to say yeah your grandma wasn't happy with me so Drew from the angel cake entertainment channel here saying that he actually wants to know what's in the shake because he actually wants to try it out now you might say beers but I will say this about Drew he has been doing all Rachel's

45:19 Workout DVD sets that she's been doing on YouTube giving it a crack so I do believe that if he had his hands on that recipe if you could get it Troy you should definitely let him know what that is so we can see him do it live on camera and we can laugh at him for not being able to finish it because I tell you one thing I hate any kind of like food challenges or like I'm very I'm a picky eater so this would be like physical stuff I think the physical stuff I'd love to give it a crack but as soon as I get to that would be my worst fear Troy doing something like that you know that was my biggest fear but as I said like my whole thing is just mine don't matter if they want something go get it and don't let anything get in your way and that's the attitude I had when I attacked that because I can't even eat tomatoes I hate Tomatoes that's how big I am right yeah I'm surprised how well I handled it I actually I had a very good strategy for that because I actually physically couldn't follow it so what I was doing is I had my water and my camel's back I would lace my mouth with water so I'd get the case of water just that not pay for the other crap and then I'll just go swallow it really quick and then we're watching I don't know how it was about watching the other things like Hawks but they'll definitely watching us like Corks And they're like if you don't drink that we're going to add more like I think I might have done it once where I

46:39 Didn't quite follow first and I just because I couldn't I had to vomit some back up and they're like no you have to swallow you have to swallow so they're pretty strict on that and imagine that went away with it circular breathing I think that might have been the only time he did it you know that's what I'm saying the edit like that it's going around time they actually did swallow it you know because we all did it but not like I reckon I would have at least drank over three quarters of that smoothie because and actually digest like actually swallowed it to probably gone it back up anyway but at least three quarters of it and I'm assuming most the other teams did as well because they were watching us like Hawks and threatening to add more to it and the rest of it so I don't know a drink Chris is saying here she'll pass on trying the drinks but thanks for offering that Troy to the fans look I just wanted to you know see if for those who are interested but that's all right saying was it because Tori is a vegan they used to do they do much worse thing so she's saying because she's a vegan maybe the ingredients is worse I don't know whether the shake was there because she was vegan probably I'm not entirely sure if you're gonna have to have production about that but I'm telling you right now I would rather drink blood do other things than drink at smoothie again that was disgusting like

47:59 I felt like it didn't do unless you've had it doesn't deal with Justice like it was so bad there's a reason people were barely even be able to swallow it and vomiting instantly like you I'm telling you right now like listen I'm not I'm not I'm not angel cake who wants to take you on he might take you on for that money because he's saying he wants to go up against CT and Tony yeah anything that's what somebody's just said in the chat yeah well maybe they could do it but I reckon I've still got it that was so bad that was yeah no I believe that but I really do appreciate it sorry setting up finals like the loops of hell I do like that TJ was like you're gonna do four loops and they're gonna be hell and I thought that was funny but the fact that they had the checkpoints and one of them was the drink it means they could get the really disgusting vomiting at different times from different people so that it's all they're just constantly getting someone there at this checkpoint vomiting disgustingly on camera and it was very smart that they do that not everyone at the same time we're going to time it out so we've got an entire show worth of vomit

49:26 Thank you I guess he doesn't have to laugh at it so out of the fall out of the four things that you had to do there well you said the shake was the one that was the hardest was there anything that you felt like man immediately this I just got this off the bat because obviously there was a code that you had to decipher there was the one we had to control yeah apparently the code one's quite controversial so I just read a little bit into that before coming into this live before jumping into the patreons live for angel cakes Channel if you're new to this channel go check out angel cake and consider joining us patreon he does a lot of work behind the scenes and he's got a really good Community there as well but I was reading on Reddit at the same time that there were people that said that Danny and both Jordan didn't solve the code correctly have you seen any of this news that are out there I have yeah I saw that on Twitter zero four two and zero six two you know I have seen the discussions I'm not entirely sure whether Jordan had because they didn't show any I'm pretty sure I put zero six two there first I'm not entirely sure I'm pretty confident it was and I got told it was incorrect and then put zero four two there after so I don't know if that happened to them too so I can't speak for if they actually

50:46 Had zero six two and then wrote zero four two but I'm thinking you want my view on it I'm thinking both answers were right because which is why if I had zero six two it probably should have been right because if you actually read the question it says oh there are two numbers in this thing that I write and wrong place but it doesn't say which it is implied that it's only two but it doesn't say there's only two if it said there was only two very strictly then I would agree I think it's a 402 clue or the 204 whatever it is clue but it actually doesn't say only so I'm erring on the side of the zero four two was also correct but that might be wrong too I did see I think it was angel cake video about it being has to be zero six two but the fact that it doesn't say only in the wording I guess it sort of implied which is why I thought it was implied that the other numbers wouldn't be there because it didn't say the language yeah but it doesn't literally say only though so I guess it still could be zero four two but I get what you're saying yeah so that's where it's hard for me that's which one's the right answer but I don't I don't think it matted anyway to

52:07 Be honest I think maybe I would have been five minutes quicker maybe the other teams within five minutes quicker too because I don't know what answers they put down first if they input an answer down first then I think in the grand scheme of things even put five to ten minutes quicker it wouldn't have mattered I was still behind Jordan and Kaz so I'm still getting only my half an hour sleep and they'll still get in that hour so yeah so it's right here saying basically production can't get away with anything no transparency at all I do think that the fans are really on to these things you know there's a lot of detectives out there that look at these things but you know Chris is saying exactly true I think the only is the distinction that is why zero four two was probably the right answer as well now Kahuna as a fan for a long time we've been sort of looking at finals since we've always been thinking to ourselves the first day almost doesn't matter because it's such a small difference when it comes to you know the advantage that you get starting on the second day coming into this episode did Jordan and Kaz get enough of an advantage for winning the first day in your opinion they had what an hour's worth of sleep and I believe 15 minutes head start on the finale do you think that the balance was right between Troy Casey I think Troy you and Casey had half an hour sleep and you had yeah you

53:27 Were 15 minutes behind the study the starters right for this one it almost feels like when we look at Hakuna it feels like there's so much effort being put in for very little reward going into that second day would you agree with that yeah I mean that's always been an issue of you know what distance or what lead I've built up over the first day is completely erased by the second and it's but they're doing it for TV they want to have a close race they want to have it make it look like it's close and I get that they do it and the fact that they're going to do that anyway and we've seen in the past where multiple an hour lead equals a two-minute Head Start or something you know something ridiculous so the fact that they're trying to balance it out with the sleep I think is a good thing that you not it's not that your lead is a race but you get benefits or you get perks for being ahead and not just time based because we as a production company as a TV show we want to make sure it's close so we're going to give you additional benefits like the sleep or the lack of sleep if you last first of all I want to say as well Troy I think it was really messed up that they gave you at half an hour at 6 30 a.m when the sun is already shining in into the train carriage and you're supposed to get an hour of sleep at the worst possible time couldn't have been done at 3am

54:48 But you know you're getting like 50 minutes of sleep saying if you have 10 minutes skip sleep and you're getting half an hour and you get 20 minutes that's like over double the amount of sleep which when you look at it that way is a lot more I don't think 20 minutes for me is enough to reset my eyes and that and my body and my mind but I feel like 50 minutes might be you know what I mean it might be that little bit extra so as for whether it was a good enough advantage or not I don't know you'd have to speak to Jordan and cows because they're the ones who got now I only got half an hour and I'll tell you right now that was crap would be it worse yeah you're not even falling asleep in 15 minutes like I think morning's yeah I think if I'd have had 15 minutes like I would have been pretty bad in the final with puzzles and like I wouldn't have been quite there for the bike riding and that sort of thing especially when you're bike riding having a look out for rocks and all the rest of it you know I guess if I was a bit more tired I might have hit a rock with my bike come off hurt myself like you never know so yeah from a spectator's point of view and a production standpoint it's probably better that they reset the time for the race wise but then all of a sudden

56:08 It was a bit clearer as well because all of a sudden Casey and I are in a lead from the bike ride and we are in a lead it's not like okay but cousin Jordan 15 minutes behind or unless I guess she literally started them 14 minutes ahead and then you could probably see but yeah I think legal perspective as well it's pretty easy to keep track of yeah I think for me personally and I mean again I you know it's hard because I didn't run the race so I don't know how my body would have felt but half an hour I would have just been like geez I don't even know if I need that half an hour probably going to be worse off for sleeping half an hour than what I would be just to like sold you through it but 15 minutes that's an absolute lose in my opinion Casper yeah Casper she has got the comment of the night so far saying no one can convince me that Cass wasn't asleep with her face in that bowl of water and might be talking right so that's not sleeping so I'm pretty sure what they had was considered sleeping just to clear that up for everybody as well is that you had to have your eyes shut for approximately a minute and not talk so if you want to put your live chat and run that Gauntlet of not talking and whatnot and you'll shut for a minute even if you're awake a minute and

57:28 Didn't talk you would have got drafted and whatever else yeah so was the shock collar like it wasn't triggered it was triggered manually like that person's watching you if you fall asleep and pressing the button yeah what a horrible job I would have loved to do it yeah if you guys I'm just putting it out there TJ if you guys need someone to handle the torture devices for the next finale I'm putting my hand up there I'll volunteer for it but I mean how did it feel being out there because like you know angel cake said here the train scene was his favorite scene with everybody joking and just bonding and yeah the camaraderie of you guys just trying to help each other to get through tonight we had these shock collars and there was a bit of extra punishments and I want to go into that if you got shot but nobody ended up getting shocked thankfully but we're all so scared and so worried and like about falling asleep but we actually sort of come together we played so many fun games that they cut out we paid like charade like somebody sort out there like pretended to be TJ and like we had to guess who it was and that sort of thing and we had time to pretend to be Johnny Bananas and like it was so much fun and we're just having a ball and playing these games just to

58:48 Try and tick by the time and there was a lot of fun moment in that time and as the night got on and later and later and later that's when we slowly started like oh our heads in the bath flashing people with water and it was actually a really fun time but the whole time we were all just so incredibly like paranoid and worried about falling asleep you didn't want to see it what it was like at least I know and there's a reason for all that but I won't go into it there was a bit more than just a shock that it would have would have happened oh really okay but I don't want to go into it because I don't know how much well I'll say about it yeah that's fine I mean well hopefully in the future we'll yeah a couple of couple of Seasons down the line maybe it'll come out one day yeah Nuremberg trials for like captured some of the fun we had on that on that train scene in there yeah because it was a real good time yeah so yeah obviously the other thing that you guys had there at the train as well was the IV drip right so you got Casey

1:00:09 Danny and who was the other person that went for it Casey Danny and kez right so yeah talk us through yeah like what was the decision making going to obviously Casey was struggling so you were like whatever you can give her is a boost yeah so I think all our team's strategies were all right let's give it to the person who needed it the most and that was simple so I've been a Danny did a bit of flack online for not giving a tutorial it's like come on guys like you know Tori would have had it if she hadn't ended it and Danny would have happily given it to her we all know that's fact but they obviously made a strategic decision that maybe Danny was struggling a little bit more with the running I'm guessing so let's give it to Danny let's try and get him up and loaded for the next day and that was the same strategy with me and Casey Ryan Casey were struggling so I'll give it to her and they'll sing with Jordan and Kaz where Jordan obviously we know who Jordan is and how good he is so give it to Kev you know to give her the other hand yeah I like that I like that too I like that they went we're going to give IVs we're going to have food we're not going to completely like kill these people in the train but yeah it was delicious but it was a setup and I was so paranoid eating the whole time like the Mind Games on that train were insane it's like experience like what am I gonna do like what you know how am I going to pay for this I didn't eat heaps because I was worried that

1:01:29 If I hadn't eaten heaps I'm gonna drop a food challenge on me straight away like I didn't know what was coming and I was paranoid at all hell so I it was delicious food so we ate it was funny because we ate and we had our valleys full we're actually probably more susceptible to try and fall asleep to get shot so I'm thinking that back why they did it and the time was really hard enough anyway I do appreciate I was surprised by you know the fact that they're giving the IVs but they're still making it a strategic choice he's a benefit but you still need to choose and actually Choose Wisely how you're going to use it I thought that was pretty clever yeah I thought it was pretty clever too yeah I found it funny I find it funny how they had champagne there and Tori immediately is like going for the champagne in the middle of a final and you have to keep running like is Al like what other beverages was there was it only alcohol or did you get they had water there too but bye for the champagne I think we all just did a bit of a toast I'm not sure whether we all drank it I think I drank like that much of the champagne just in the post and I thought I was like I better smarten up so I don't know actually I don't remember if Tory drank at all at that Sage I was still like look to my left and right seeing a tea that

1:02:49 Would pop around the corner and dropped like this insane elimination on us or something like I was just bricks for the whole time I would have as well Dolores was asking who ate the most out there she probably ate a bit of it Cavs was absolutely horny she didn't seem to care about it about the repercussion Tori and Jordan and myself and Danny were probably the three that were like next to nothing to eat because she was at that stage couldn't stomach anything her body was cutting down and I wish I had paid more attention to that because maybe if I'd have seen these signs early on maybe I could have helped her out or made her eat or something but I think that okay I don't know to me it's a bunch of like would have could have should have now as I'm looking back on it but Dolores is asking the questions everyone really wants to know and she's asking what she really wants to know is where do you go to the bathroom while you're out there and you're doing this final Dolores with that would be absolute big questions now luckily the fear Express wasn't called to hold your only tractor expressed I guess I'll hold your bladder Express there was a toilet on a truck and if it's in the middle of the final you've just gotta go in the bushes on the train mind you wouldn't get to use a bit oh he did not

1:04:09 One but we didn't get to use the beds for that night but there was a toilet on the train so that was nice we could go to the thrill at the end of the day yeah and if you're out in the finals I'm assuming you just run like if you're running outside there's bushes so you just got to go do your thing that's what it's like that's what it's like in an obstacle course right so yeah well that's what I had to do on the arm Australian season it's a bad case of diarrhea I might miss it would kill me for saying that but I feel like literally every text for me because I like come through there's nothing I wanted to run off into the bushes and go to the toilet because my stomach had just been absolutely beaten by Conrad and that paddo ball like off my bladder a lot of growth but anyway it's probably a bit too much info there no I mean listen Dolores wanted to know she's asking the hard-hitting question so we had to bring it up asea is saying oh I saw the pain in Casey's face and that team confessional I never thought I would feel for her but she fought this season yeah 100 agree at least saying that Cass fall asleep because he totally looked like she was out before Jordan was saying yeah I think she was dozing off yeah Castle's almost born half an hour Jordan actually was supposed to perform it you know that close but in the end he just managed to battle off I think someone yeah hi Jordan I'm

1:05:30 Waking up I don't know whether it was casual Danny somebody was like sort of broken up before he got that so yeah very fortunate now Troy I don't want to forget this I just randomly remembered you showed us a little memorabilia that you got from the show do you have it there to show the fans because the fans might want to see it as well you actually managed to snag something from the finals what memorabilia [Laughter] for those who saw who didn't they didn't so if you're listening to the audio version I'm not going to confirm or deny what he showed us you might have to come to the to the YouTube video to come over quick you know look at it but it's really cool so you told that story they don't really give you guys much from the finale to take home with you to have as a memory it's probably not something that they that's like front of mind right for a lot of challenges because they come back every season yeah I don't think it's true like ill will or anything I just don't think it's yet out there in their priority list and I know that you know a few of us who might not get another chance to ever do it again like myself TQ even Emily and Grant you know I knew that they were they're big on memorabilia us Australians love the toilet these little mementos that we can take home to keep so I was always looking for little things to take home and keep if I was allowed to what about that

1:06:50 What about the ticket to the fear Express that they played yesterday yeah because yeah TJ was like yeah never came up again Yeah we actually had to give out sort of show our tickets on the way in they didn't sell it but yeah that school was funny though when that train pulled up actually going back to the start of the episode me and the train was pulling in because we were like all of us were like memorizing everything on the train we're memorizing our tickets every single word every single letter what number we had because we thought the numbers might come into play so it was full on the second like that finals hitting that train came in everyone was just like wired you know yeah game mode cool and fun speed so I felt like even though you had a bad the restaurant you weren't fully relaxed at any point Dolores here in the chat is saying the key to success is to remain silent Troy exactly right we want to see you back we want to see you come back to the main show so obviously that's up to the producers but I know Troy said earlier he'd be more than willing to go out there and do this again another question that we had earlier just before we get into this last two sections here of the finale someone and I forgot their name so apologies it's not my question to someone else's name but they asked who from this season off the challenge do you reckon would

1:08:10 Translate well over to Ninja Warrior if they were to get a chance who do you think has got the skill set Ninja Warrior that's a good question I actually recognize he's got very good ability to wait and Power Ranger as well I know he does bouldering and slack lining so I actually reckon yes would translate really well to Ninja Warrior everyone's tried it she struggled a little bit but you know with some practice she might be all right but I reckon oh I was going to say Jordan but Jordan might try to feel the obstacles obviously because of his hand but he would be the type that would be good at Ninja Warrior not so much like your bigger competitors like your dannyson Theos I reckon they would struggle that would be good in terms of girls I don't think Kiki would be much good I reckon Italian yes what about what about cares yeah good powered away I can casually good probably Carolyn Anne like your lighter frames you're spinning out smaller ladies they're generally really good at ninja so I reckon my picks are to get it brief and sharp yes and I forgot the other guy oh geez I've done really well here yes for the guys and Paz and kellyanne for the girls I reckon we're good at Ninja that's right

1:09:30 That's who would be good at ninja now we've seen the challenge really sort of farm from Big Brother all right someone said Horatio yeah I've seen him compete you were somebody who looks like it's going heavier on Big Brother and Survivor what would happen if they really started dipping into Ninja Warrior we've seen Natalie go well obviously you go well would Ninja Warrior dominate The Challenge if they just started just getting more and more people in yeah can we necessarily dominate The Challenge because like my best mate Ashland for example he's an absolute Guru but I reckon he'd get himself socially in a lot of bad situations so I think you would see very high level athletes I think I'm not sure how a lot of them the other ones would go on the puzzle side of things and the mental aspect but I definitely think it's a pool that they should consider dipping into because I know one of my good friends would love like well a few of my good friends would love the opportunity now to come on a challenge but couldn't and would actually contact and before me because of contract reasons like I know Olivia Vivian who's pretty much the most popular and famous of the ninjas in Australia she would love a chance Zack who actually got me on the show would love to have the chance and you know I'd love to have the chance to sort of have my own people on the show too sort of like the Survivor have their own people so yeah I

1:10:50 Reckon it's something they should consider dipping into and Drew saying you don't forget everyone that festi actually compared competed on Ninja Warrior oh how did he go can you tell me how you went oh I'm lost okay yeah but how did you move apparently bananas as well he'll come back I'm sure and then of course Elisa let's all forget that first he was a ninja so yeah like I mean I called it from the preview episode of challenge Australia when I said Troy's a Ninja Warrior I don't know that much about him but I know I've seen him on Ninja Warrior and any one of those people are competitive and able to do well so I sort of I picked it that you would go well in the challenge it isn't it is interesting to see where they choose their casts from you know what I mean like and I think Ninja Warrior is showing that it could be a very fertile ground if they start going back to that absolutely and it's interesting to say that because I feel like that's something they might have wanted to do a bit more of on the Australian season to see not only have I would go because I was obviously well the only ninja then ended up getting picked but they actually contacted a lot of ninjas so maybe they did want to dip into that and see how I'd go on the Australian one unfortunately it didn't end up that well

1:12:10 In a sense that they only got me and they didn't get multiple I don't know if that was their plan but maybe they were going to try that out you know on the Australian one and then maybe even use that later in the American one to get some American Ninja Warriors over as well it feels successful so just to confirm Ellie said that bananas was terrible in Ninja Warrior and then someone asked did Johnny just do it for the paychecking exposure I mean Drew replied didn't do it for his NBC show he used to have so there you go who would you like to see cast on the challenge if not you going forward which we all hope that it is yeah who do you think would be good on the show yes obviously from my perspective against Australian I'd like to see other Australians on there and I know a lot of Australians so I'm going to dip into them but I've got a really good mate Zach stalls who's won Ninja Warrior Australia twice two years in a row because the current reigning Champion I'd love to see him on it I wouldn't mind I'm just saying mates either my other mate Ashland who's been also on Ninja Warrior like six times he would socially be awkward as I reckon it would end up in a lot of fights I reckon he's the opposite of drama but he's got a short move and he can get angry quickly but he just stands up please believe him I'd love to see him and Olivia Vivian

1:13:31 As well she's a strong woman I think they need more strong women on the show and I think she would really give this the show a run for her money like I reckon yeah cast her and especially at the moment now she's career contracts together on there you go welcome back Chris we've got Chris back yeah apologies obviously in my hotel room and the internet just went so I've just jumped on my mobile instead so hopefully the internet connection doesn't fail on me again that's how it things happen when you when you do things live you know sometimes things can go wrong but yeah sorry yeah we're talking about people that love cast and Marley get my boy Marley back on man I would love to be able to pay him back because I really felt like he took a bullet for me in the Australian season you know it was either knees going in or him and unfortunately and then they were known so I felt like he ended up there in my field and I was really close to getting in the house I reckon he had a lot more to give and they unfortunately he just didn't get the chance to shine as a legitimate athlete you know someone that has played basketball at the highest level over in Australia right and not just that he's also got a great social and strategic game from playing in Big Brother as a big fan of him when he played his Big Brother Season it just happens to

1:14:51 Be the only big brother Australian season that I've ever watched but yeah he was he was right so I lost that definitely I think Marley on the show would be a lot of fun moving forward did we talk about the main show or for the challenge Australia what are we talking about here because obviously because we probably unfortunately challenged Australia it looks like it might not be coming back so just who's our Dream people to get on the show like because he's had such good experience with Ninja Warrior and it's done so well for the two people that we've had on so we're just kind of expanding the net a bit yeah angel cake is saying ride or dice too would love to see Miley and Troy paired up on a on a season like that well that would be true right or dies because some of the rider dies I wasn't too sure about in the previous season they were kind of stretching a little bit to get some of those pairs made up for it as well Chris saying Orlando until it strikes again yes it's interesting internet connection sometimes over here I didn't know that was a thing Chris I'm obviously learning on the go at the moment here all right so on the final I guess there was there was two sections to this was the bike ride section that you had to get through is that something Troy that you practice for a lot do you do you do a lot of like riding bikes

1:16:11 And things like that over there and how like for me because I've done both but I definitely would say I'm a better Runner than what I'm a cyclist there's a difference I hate bike riding I'm not afraid to say in saying that though I really like mountain bike riding which is weird and I've done that a lot in my younger but I hate riding on roads and like road bike riding and all that sort of stuff because I don't enjoy it I've got a bony butt so the seat always hurt I don't I'm not a big guy as well and like you need a lot of weight to put through so I've got to use my quads more so yeah I'm not a big fan of bike riding but I actually really like that finals bike riding because there's a lot of downhill not so much quad bike like you know so much using your strength but you're balancing your coordination and all that which I'm a lot better at when it comes to bike riding so I like mountain bike riding I think it's a good way to put it and I hate just riding for fitness and luckily you guys weren't tethered together because they've done that a few times in finals where they would tether the two bike riders together and I think that's the worst like how you don't get into like big accidents I don't know if they had done that there it would have been Carnage in saying that though Casey and I were pretty good we're pretty even she actually led the way and chilled hammering down that bike ride like she like

1:17:31 Man I thought she was dead on her legs and then she came out at the start of day two and just was like off she went and I'll like trying to keep up with her and she was like doing a little jump and over the rocks and she was flying so I felt like for us that was the perfect segment especially with Casey's body not being 100 because I felt like it wasn't that heavy quad sort of more a bit more of you know not crashing making sure you steer correctly it wasn't overly heavy on that on the parts of the body that were just shutting down at that stage so yeah we obviously got a fair bit of a lead and then you guys get to the slider puzzle which I've seen some people criticize the slider puzzle a little bit online where they said that it was falling apart Troy as you guys were moving it around even apologized yeah I think yeah it was getting pretty frustrating doing that for the public because it was actually a really hard one in hindsight if I did it again because it wasn't like you had four even bits or five even bits and you could just move them wherever you wanted there was one bigger bit but you couldn't just move around when you wanted so it was like these triangle things and it took us a while probably took us 15 plus minutes to solve it maybe even half an hour to solve it but you know in that

1:18:51 Time it was fine because Casey was on the ground but actually before that I'll go into it as well because I'm pretty sure the other you might have heard from other people as well there was a bit more to it that we actually wrote Our bikes we got off at our bikes and we actually had to hop on a rowboat and we had to roll out to the middle of the lake oh about middle of the lake and we had to get these answers to questions and then we had to take them back on the robo all the way back to where we dropped off the bike and then we had to put the question for the answers so for example one of them was who in the show doesn't like banana which is obviously Amber another one of the questions was who got nominated for elimination the most which actually wasn't myself maybe it was Tristan and kellyanne and Ben Han Jody because they their names got said the mode so yeah there was a whole button we had to sort of fill out the blanks there's maybe 12 questions or 12 answers so yeah that entire section got missed out on and then after that then we ran up and it's a shame they didn't show that because we were actually aged ahead of Jordan and Kaz at that point I don't know what Jordan was on that man is incredible at rolling he was like they call up to us a fairway on that rolling segment Maybe you know three to four minutes worth of time at least so wow yeah I feel like you know

1:20:12 We missed some crucial aspects of this final and it being on Paramount plus you would imagine that there is no time limit to how long an episode could be because it's a it's a streaming platform it's not like they're trying to fit it into a specific segment on CBS or MTV because of you know advertisement and other scheduling so I'm really sort of puzzled by the fact that we didn't see a lot of this extra content which would have made a lot more sense yeah like you're talking about a boat you mentioned the dam with water and stuff it seems like the more visually Dynamic stuff they kept out and then just kept the running like you know run up the hill run down the hill run a deal ride the bike up the hill right and they left that all and then kept the stuff that maybe visually looked cooler yeah well I think they're kind of like they're kind of like Airlines right they over book the final they get you know all these different challenges to do and then they'd you know end up only showing us three out of the five which you know they think will be visually more appealing yeah I'm not going to comment on production you know I think they do a great job we could do it yeah this is not true you

1:21:32 Know for you know Detroit Troy is not begging on production here at all this is Kahuna and Chris saying that you know why but I mean listen at the end of the day they've been doing this for a very long time right so this is over 40 seasons of The Challenge with all the spin-offs as well they know what they're doing they know the secret sauce they know what keeps people coming back do they always get it right no but at the end of the day when your production you've got to make 20 decisions each episode we criticize them for the two that they get wrong instead of sometimes looking at the 18 things that they got right doesn't mean that we can't hold them accountable because it doesn't mean that it's because we're passionate and we want to see the show succeed but I just want to say you know hats off to production for getting another season done and dusted in my opinion Kahuna I don't know if you still agree with me on this I think this is one of the best seasons we've seen in a very long time and a big reason for that is because of the level of competition when it comes to the newbies that they've now introduced to the franchise and which is the reason why I would be severely disappointed pointed if they don't take some of these MVPs and put them back on the show because they've now invested in them over multiple Seasons right corner yeah absolutely I mean we've seen we were saying from the start when you originally did your draft and we were looking at the teams and I was like there's really not a lot of weak teams here that could be the early round fodder and

1:22:53 The ones that we sort of deemed that way kind of ended up being that way but there was such a really strong competitive balance amongst all the teams and to see that going towards the end was something that we've been looking for a long time in the challenge and to have so many teams be able to compete at that level is not something that we get across the board usually there's a three or four strong teams and then other people make up the numbers in this instance I think we saw a very strong cast across the board and then put on a very good season and a strong season that we haven't really seen that the friction and the going against each other and all that sort of thing which added to it I think yeah it was a really strong season one of the best we've seen in a while and I hope that continues and they can build off of that with some really strong cast members that we've seen brought in this season and we're talking to one today but there's a lot of people on the on the season which I think would make great Mainstays in the flagship for sure 100 angel cake is saying production would rather have more footage than not enough which is what I think kind of happened as well Elise is asking I wonder if there would have been a purge if Sarah and Theo didn't get disqualified yeah that could have been a thing right because they sometimes bring those purges in

1:24:13 Danica say hey sorry Danica's saying you know who calls out production Tyson and here's the funny thing he calls them out and they still want him to come back and play the game again even after that because he's Tyson everybody loves Tyson you know I don't know if there was any Tyson stories out there Troy when you were there did anybody bring him up at all yeah at the start Sarah Danny and Ben did talk about it a little bit but they're not overly much I don't exactly remember the conversations we had about him he's not being honest but yeah it's the annual cakes pretty much he just does he just does what he wants to do obviously you know this has been a great season Troy you've been a great part of this season as well we've really enjoyed seeing you there so we really hope that we get to see you come back again on the show in the future is there any questions that we didn't ask her on this recap and review anything that you wanted to clarify this is your opportunity to sort of speak clear the air if there was anything that we sort of didn't see or we sort of you know miscalled it from our Endless fans podcasting about it we try and be as Fair as we can normally and we try and look at all the different angles but I'm sure we do get it wrong sometimes as well is there anything you wanted to clear up anything you wanted to say about the season as a whole no

1:25:33 Not too much just I think like well I think two people are the editing complaints that we've got our peace second at the top of the hill which we did but Dorian Danny weren't that far behind us and I guess they just want to show like they were ahead of us for some reason like they did pass it on the downhill but it wasn't long after we got our key for those wondering with that production era I guess it didn't matter in the end which way they showed it but yeah what else oh yeah I love the Amber as a partner okay clear that I love the and then like yeah I just enjoyed my first time on the calendar I felt like it was an official challenge but obviously it wasn't I really did enjoy it needing some of the people I watched on TV to see how it would actually unravel and for me that was the most incredible experience that I'll never forget you know and I'm just so grateful that I even had the opportunity to do it once and let's hope I get to do it again and multiple times and buildbase relationships with these people and hopefully go far in the next one and I don't go far well I'll be out there giving it my best back for sure ah listen you've got the backing of the fans you know so we again you know angel cake here and a lot of other people saying thank you for hanging out this

1:26:53 Convo was on awesome hope to see you soon on the challenge again I think everybody wants you to come back Jacob saying Troy going to come back to be a multi-champ as he should so yeah the supporters here definitely from the fans and you know I've said this to you before our doors always open we'd love to have you on to come and talk about future seasons of The Challenge and talk more about the challenge here so as much as we can keep you a part of the conversation we'll pull you in absolutely I'd love to be a part of it especially coming in for some of your lives coming up you know Season 39 or even usa2 or whatever else because you know I know a few other people going in I'll know what sort of happens that you guys might miss behind the scenes and why things might be playing out so I'd love to come on and chat more even if I'm not on the season and if I am in a season I'd also love to come chat but yeah for me I just love chatting about the challenge probably just as much as all your audience do too so I love it yeah now fingers crossed you're one of us oh they love you to have you back 100 one of us you know at the end of the day any final thoughts from your end on the season what's your final thoughts on this as we close off yet another challenge season we're getting ready for a new season it looks like usa2 might even air before All Stars four because they had a little promo on as well for that so what's your thoughts great season I loved it I

1:28:13 Loved the mix of having the international seasons in there I actually really enjoyed the thought process behind it I don't know if the execution was what I would have done I think it was a perfect setup to have a teams game as opposed to Duos but the fact that it played out the way it did it gave us the friction and the drama and all that sort of thing based off of that you got to see countrymen go against countrymen you got to see vets up against MVPs we got to see so much this season and introduce a bunch of really strong competitors to you know we got Kiki we got Troy we got Emily and we got Grant and we knew from the Australian challenge that they were going to be strong and they're great I'm just really glad that the rest of the world got to see it I'm sure the UK and the argentinians feel similarly that they got to be represented on a larger scale and show some of the Americans what the rest of the other countries can do overall really strong season I enjoyed it production at high level again and I think much of what makes a good season and we've said this so many times Chris whether it comes to the challenge whether it comes to Survivor whatever it is it's about casting getting the right people getting the right competitors people that provide not only good television but good performance and really want to go out and get it and they're not just there for TV they're not just there

1:29:33 For their next you know you know for clout or for social media followers or for whatever it is but when you get people who want to compete then guess what you get really good competition and that's what we saw this season and I was a big fan and on that as well I think the actual way it was done was great too where you had public voting so even if you did have great competitors on there they were brought into the drama because they had to be because you had to say somebody's name publicly in front of everybody so I think it was a good way to bring strategic drama on the show as well rather than just personal drama and all that other drama that you get as well so I thought that was a great choice by Casting and production to do it that way as well just from my point of view because I felt like yeah as a person who doesn't normally get involved in drama and tries to stay away from that sort of stuff I had to be in it because it was a game I had to play the game I had to do it the best I had to do and people wanted to know why I voted the way I voted all the time so that drags you in and hats off the production of making that a thing as well because I thought that was cool yeah so I don't have a problem with that but next time production if you do bring it back let them draw for spots I'll agree with that you know or what my idea was is you had to write your vote on your thing

1:30:56 So that way you couldn't just vote somebody else just because somebody did you know because I mean I guess that was part of the game and if you want that then you can do it your way otherwise you can do it the other way which is we'll just save what we're written down regardless of what other people are voting yeah makes sense Kahuna and Troy I think that's a great way to end this live here this has been a great season you've been a great live audience here you know apologies that we couldn't read all of the comments tonight I always try my best to get to as many of them as we can but you know definitely all of us have read them as we've had our discussion here if you're new to the Channel please consider subscribing it's the best way to help this channel grow we're on our way to 2 000 subscribers which was a massive goal of mine at the beginning of the year was to get to 2 000 subscribers by the end of this year so far we're doing good I think we're about a thousand 810 so we're on our way if you support the channel it's the best way to show your support it really does help with credibility when we reach out to players like Troy and some future players that we would love to get on here to come and talk to us about the show we really would love to make this a place where challenges feel comfortable to come and have a conversation about their game about the things that we didn't see you know to give everybody a fair opportunity to sort of have their say also put the notification below so you know next time we go live put a like on this you know comment below what your thoughts your final thoughts are on

1:32:16 This season and we'll be back probably before you know it to talk about another challenge season because we know all stars falls in the can they've already filmed it you know I'm really excited to see what's going to happen on that season and usa2 looks like it's going to be dropping pretty soon as well but for now we say good night have a good evening on that side and we'll catch you guys next time bye boy