Traitors Australia: Season 2 Week 4 Review

0:01 Foreign [Music] [Music] laughs [Music] [Music] welcome back to the nullify Tech Channel on YouTube where we've got the TNT takes for you on traitors Australia that's right we are back I'm your host Chris and with me today is two new co-hosts although they did do the first week I should say with me but Kona and Tom has made their way back to the podcast and Mucky is found in a Sicky Kahuna I'll have to talk to you later on about how do we how do we discipline Mucky for phoning in a

1:21 City on us last minute you're one with the experience for people leadership so you know I'll consult with you afterwards well considering I had the last two weeks off not well myself I'm not going to go too hard on money I mean I'm like that's all right monkey yeah so yeah I'm glad to be back though it's good it's a good show to discuss yeah that's it's fun already Chad dude number one Mucky fan saying no I need Mucky on the show sorry man you know what Chad dude I think that two dollars you gave him the other day to go buy that extra jandal he ended up getting it and took too much time off maybe use the jandals to go out to the beach while you know it's still winter and got a cold what can I say you know Mucky does extremely silly things but we do have Tom with us again as well for his second live podcast on the channel Tom how's things going on your end man yeah all right feeling refreshed excited for Melbourne storm you know tomorrow night quarter finals going to beat the Broncos in my hometown Brisbane so yeah Keen to watch that what yeah I'm a Melbourne storm fan even though I'm from Brisbane because who wants you know it's disgusting it's going yeah you get Dolphins now I guess oh lame you know they're still half yeah

2:41 I'm good yeah well it's good it's good to have you both back here and we've got Andrea Lee dropping in with a five dollars thank you so much Andrew Lee you've been such a great supporter of the channel in the last couple of weeks saying too little too late for the faithfuls well we're gonna get into all of that we're definitely going to be talking about that and thanks for the five dollars it will go straight back to the channel so we can continue to improve what we're putting out here on the TNT channel Andrew Lee also says congrats to Traders UK for winning the best reality TV award at National Television Awards I didn't know that so congratulations to Traders UK they definitely had some smarter faithfuls the current status of our faithfuls it wouldn't it's not a hard a high bar to jump over you know what I mean yeah honestly I yeah I'm embarrassed by these fatals I've never watched any other season of the show but if nobody can be as dumb as these people I'm sorry that's my tape already yeah also Ed Rodney is saying also looking forward to TNT's review and hot takes on the upcoming debut of the Traders Canada in October we haven't actually announced anything for TNT for TNT I guess when it comes to Traders content

4:02 In Canada but like Andrew Lee says here personally looking forward to it as there is some big brother players playing in that I believe we've got a former Survivor winner as well in Erica she's going to be playing Traders in Canada as well so it'll be interesting to see how she goes so maybe we'll cover it's it's going to be a busy couple of weeks here on the channel because we do also have Survivor 45 coming out we've got the Amazing Race coming out I think for both countries Australia and for the US so there's some content still coming this way if we can make it happen I definitely will try to but I was actually just talking to both Kahuna and Tom prior to the podcast and I said you know I'm slowly but surely getting back into the grind I'm starting to look for work you know looking for a place to stay becoming a bit of a grown-up again you know getting settled and everything so as soon as I get work going I think it's going to be interesting I'd love to do this full time but this sadly at this stage for none of us is a possibility to do this full-time yet keyword is yet who knows what the future could be kerno we need a lot more Andre Lee's along with charges so many more pumping it in yeah that'll help all you know even if you're not doing that I will say this I did see on the statistics that about 60 of people who watch out Traders content are not subscribed to the channel yet so you know we're here for you any case

5:22 But if you want to show some love to the channel we're 26 subscribers short of 2000 Subs which is such a big Target here on the Channel please consider hitting the Subscribe button you know we will be back with some more Australian content in the future like we do Australian Survivor we're probably going to do Amazing Race Australia and we want to add more Australian reality TV to the yeah I guess what we do here to our to our brand so subscribe if you subscribe we'll continue to pump these things out as well and that really does help congrats to NZ traitors yeah they just finished their season I haven't watched it yet but a lot of people are saying that it's one of the best seasons if not the best season of all time when it comes the Traders so you know very high praise there as well all right let's get into tritus and Kona I'd start off with you what has been your thoughts about traitors coming into this week you know you've missed a couple of weeks you've stayed up you speed with everything that's been going on were you as frustrated as myself and Mucky when it comes to the faithfuls and are you continuing to be as frustrated as I am when it comes to the faithfuls in the game incredibly so it's so frustrating to watch and like last week when I wasn't able to make the podcast for that week to be Luke and Annabelle going and you're like okay they've

6:43 Laid their life down they made it very clear where they stand and it's just falling on deaf ears for some reason even once they say Luke doesn't put his neck out for people Luke has really put himself on the line he's claiming Sam he seems so adamant it makes sense to us let's just vote for someone else instead and I don't understand like the way that even in maybe it's the edit I'm not sure but we get like information where you're gonna go oh are they actually seeing the light here finally something's going to happen and then boom straight back to the wrong it's definitely the edit again yeah it's definitely the edit I made it I made a note of it I made a note of it and we're going to talk about that maybe when we get towards the end of the second episode because there was clearly a lot left out from the edit that made it very confusing by the time that they had to go from strategizing to actually getting to the round table and then where the vote ended up Landing with Gloria we missed a lot and I don't know if I necessarily like how the editor did that like I'd rather know you know some people say oh you know it's the shock and r factor of wow he escaped another round and maybe that's what they're trying to get but I would much rather learn how did we get there because to me it seems really random at this stage Tom you're also someone that have been sort of messaging me I know you've been trying to

8:03 Get on the last two podcasts but every time by the time that you're ready to jump on and you're finally home Mustafa Maki already wrapped up the two Recaps so what's been your thoughts on the show so far ah look I'm sure the 20 contestants in their own lives are very intelligent people and very nice people and I'm sure it's the edit 100 that's making them out to look so let's say eight-year-old instead of you know adult in terms of their strategy and intelligence levels but yeah it just baffled me every yeah they're making Mucky look like a genius like I mean can you imagine if Mucky was to play the show he would be the same of the Season he would be the smartest person out there that's just the level that we're dealing with here 100 it's hurting me I loved last week but this week was a little painful I'm not gonna lie I felt like I was watching maths that's how bad the strategy was and there's not even strategy in math so I don't know what's going on you know yeah I love the word evidence they go the evidence is I'm like what evidence like is the evidence that little tingling in your stomach then there's no evidence first of all it's we know we've talked about Chris off podcast that the game itself is geared

9:23 Towards the Traders it's hard to find actual concrete evidence to actually lean on so much of it has got so much of his Instinct but then they actually come out and keep using the same word over and over again talking about evidence and it's inferior I'm like you're not you say evidence and then you don't present any you just say like random stuff so and they've got here in the live saying wasn't until I saw this that I realized I'm behind her watching these episodes oh well Scott go back and watch the episode like it is extremely frustrating right but I think that I kind of started talking about this last week when I said to Mucky you have to be either all in on Sam now or if you don't like Sam then it's going to be a hard watch for you the next couple of episodes or the next episode leading into the final because he really has been the Superstar of the Season he is running the season now I don't know if it's because he is that brilliant or if it is because the cast is just that far behind Tom like make it make sense to me how is Sam capable of you know using the

10:43 Puppet strengths that he has and being the puppet master that he is how is HE capable to sort of see Walker's way through this whole bloody traders that is out there and nobody is actually firing any shots at him and nothing's Landing I think I mean well one I think it's his competition but two I've got to give him some credit in the fact that when he lies like it's just he you really can believe him to an extent like he doesn't stutter he really looks like he believes what he's saying but I think I think without him that this season would not be the greatest but he's I love him personally and I think a lot of people should at least be entertained by him I'm really interested to see him play a game like Survivor could you imagine him like in the next season of Survivor or something that'd be awesome yeah now potentially now maybe he would be if he does go and play the game if anybody watched Traders and they know what he's capable of I feel like he would but there must be something and we spoke about this last week between myself and Mucky where when he talks to people in the game that overconfidence and arrogance that we see you know I don't know if it's arrogance or confidence but anyways the way the showman that he is when he talks to us on the cameras that is not who he is when he's speaking to his fellow house guests

12:03 Like we're not seeing the interpersonal connections but I mean we even had Gloria in the second episode here say that this was her this was her boy this was someone she's worked with since day one that she never thought she would turn again so we'd never saw that we never saw that relationship there's so much we're not seeing when it comes to Sam's interpersonal skills there's soft skills to get people to trust them and work with them and I've always said like if you were to go and play Survivor or play any of these reality TV shows Tom you would want to be the showman to the camera not necessarily to their faces right so I feel like that is what Sam is doing right now and he is playing a good game you make a great case for him to go and play Survivor because I think he would be in the mold of a George like I don't know if he would be as successful as George I know that's high praise to give to anyone but he would be that type of character if he was to go and play can I give you a thought he's not George he's a fusion in between George and Simon he's the middle in between them I reckon he'd be the next Superstar on Survivor if you played so I hope that happens one day right there you got it Sam is getting his first endorsement here on the TNT channel to go and play Survivor Kahuna looks very annoyed by this kuna tell me why you don't want to see this guy on our screens anymore because there's been a lot of that online as well there's a lot of people

13:23 Who don't like Sam and that are saying that he probably uses these Wicked Ways of deceiving people in his real life and he's probably a terrible person for playing the game the way he's playing no I don't feel like that I'm like not at all like I don't make any personal attacks on the man I think what you said before is it a credit to Sam or a discredit to the unfaithfuls and I lean more heavily that the unfaithfuls I don't think he's playing an extraordinary game I'm surprised he's been able to get away with the that he has like my big thing I told you in the comments last week because I wasn't on the podcast anyone from the country in Australia that is meant to be a horse farmer does not carry himself talk the way that he does is not that man at all and then this week just to shove it in my face the dude walks you out in a pristine white cowboy hat from Texas pretending he's a farm boy from Sydney like from Australia and I'm like he's showing you people he's Sherpa coat his denim Sherpa coat is the cleanest sherpill coat you've ever seen on the country boy and he's just showing them in their face I don't think it's him I think it's them maybe he is like you said the off camera the way he's the personal interactions I

14:44 Could absolutely back that he's doing something amazing there I don't think his game moves and what he's trying to do is particularly enlightening or breaking the mold or doing anything different he's just not getting caught and I and that's the bit that's frustrating for everyone because they're looking at someone going so blatantly obviously to us we've got you know Insight that they don't obviously we have cameras and confessions and him talking to the camera about actually being a Trader so we're like hey how come they can't see it so maybe there's a lot that I'm missing as well but from what I've seen I don't think he's playing extraordinary I think the rest is playing extraordinarily bad and because the fact that he's been called out multiple times he's not under any radar they've even came up with the like we're going to talk about the Shield this the most recent episode and how they've used it and they're calling him out Annabelle Luke people are saying it but for some reason they just won't look at him and maybe that is The Testament to how good he is I guess like if he's winning and they're not so maybe I'm wrong and they're right but from what he's shown I'm not buying it I wonder like for me personally I am drinking the Kool-Aid that he's selling at the moment I think he's playing in a phenomenal

16:04 Game and I think that yes there it's a combination of the faithfuls really being behind the eight ball I mean most of these faithfuls I don't believe come from a place where they have watched a lot of reality TV before or that they're all that interested in it and when it comes to the strategy part of the game I think that's one of the reasons why someone like Annabelle probably early on got very frustrated by them because she's actually listened to every single podcast and she's worked out the meta strategies like I mean they're still using her strategy in the game right now of not telling the traitors who's got the shield you know that wasn't something that happened in the first season that's something Annabelle brought in because that's the right move to do so that people won't vote for the person or they won't vote for the for anyone that they think went into the Armory that's a great move but they're still using that strategy that she brought into the game she was the exception on the season and I think someone said I can't remember who of the two of you said this but that the game may have been less interesting or less entertaining if Sam was voted out early on well I've got a counter argument if the Traders was terrible or were terrible in the game we would have still had people like Annabelle and Luke out there and some of these great big players that were taking shots the reason that this season has become a bit of a snooze Fest when it comes to the faithfuls is because Sam has eliminated all the biggest threats in the game early on he's taken out the people that came after and that's

17:24 Not by accident you've got to give the guy some credit because every time somebody starts mentioning his name they're the next one out and that's why he's full that should be obvious then yeah but again here's why it's impressive the reason it's impressive is because he's getting this done and he's making the other traitor in Blake do his bidding like I mean Blake getting rid of this episode this week getting rid of Keith to me was brain numbing like this guy is his right-hand person he should have looked at it and said you've got Liam I've got Keith we're not going for each other's ride or dice because that's what's keeping us safe in the game that is our numbers we've got to look elsewhere but still Sam somehow convinced them Tom that it's his best move to get rid of Kiev by using a very subtle form of manipulation to make a black belief that he was next on The Chopping Block if he didn't make the move and Blake fold it which again I think we're seeing a lot of evidence here that Sam is playing a very strategic and Superior game when it comes to getting his way within this game yeah I think and on the topic of people like Keith and also Gloria before that's the thing that's frustrating me the most like every single week in an episode the faithfuls are hearing oh maybe it's Blake maybe

18:44 It's Sam and then like some other random name out of the other people left is thrown in like oh Keith oh Gloria or maybe next time will be Liam or whatever it's like oh yeah let's go with the person who no one's ever thought of instead of just taking a shot at one of those two if I was there I would go hey I don't care which one we vote but can we all either go on Blake or on Sam and hey if whoever we pick isn't a Trader you can vote me out next I don't care you know yeah it is mind-numbing that you know because they keep saying this they've set this for so many episodes now it even happens in this last episode where they said Luke would not have sacrificed this game for no reason they keep saying it but then they keep doing the exact opposite and not at least voting out either a Sam or a Blake to at least test the theory that Luke had which to me is absolutely brain numbing to watch this it's so frustrating to watch and I'm sure I'm not the only person that is experiencing it I do want to read a couple of the comments here dedicated saying I don't think we should call them the faithfuls anymore they should be called the dummies and that is also what Gloria said that you're still the dum-dums when she was a dum-dum a few seconds ago she was a part of that misconer like how is she suddenly not part of the Dum Dums I don't get it yeah it makes sense she even like when she gave her a little speech to start the episode she

20:05 Said it's gonna be someone that is flying under the radar that has not and I'm like what are you doing you're pointing at yourself and then immediately like as well wouldn't that be you like what are you talking about say it's the person that is clearly on the radar it's a person that everyone's been pointing at don't say that it's under the like for me when I'm looking at who's left including up to the last episode with Gloria I'd be going okay so it's if you're Gloria if you're Liam or yourself like looking at you three and then looking across to Sam Camille and black you're like oh my gosh like there's three dummies here that are never ever gonna be picked as Traders they would never pull it off the production would look never be a traitor it would never ever be a Trader there's three people that would 100 be a Trader maybe Camille wasn't at the start but she is a good candidate from the start to be to be one perhaps I don't know because we have that Insight knowledge that she's a federal agent and all that sort of thing to them she's a mom or whatever she's coming across as but you've got to look at yourself and what like where's the self-perception if it's not me then it's Sam like if it's not this type of Personality it's not a me a Gloria or a Liam or a Sarah then it has to be the other type like

21:25 I don't there's not many people left now and they're still picking the wrong I don't get like and now the game's set up where it's impossible right like what's gonna happen like they're outnumbered completely the Traders I was like oh no it's horrible it's horrible for them it's like Andrea said here in the beginning when he dropped the five dollars he said too little too late for the faithfuls and I do think it is I'd be shocked and I've got my theory so we'll talk about how I think the game is going to play out in the end but I do want to read a few more comments before we get into it Andrea Lee saying Sam's Sheriff outfit definitely given to him by production which would be you know again future Kahuna believes future Farm boys the guy out there and play the game you need to bring your dirty farm shoes your dirty clothes from working on the farm into the game you're not allowed to have clean production given clothes that would look good on a camera I think that's easily debunked by Sam if he does talk that way but I think that you know being someone that grew up on a farm like half my life because my grandparents my uncles are all in farming and that type of stuff I probably ask him a couple of questions about farming if I was out there so hopefully he did his homework and he actually does know you know his things but I mean the people he's playing with like Andre saying here some people like you know Liam let's talk about Liam here for a second because even early on in the first episode you know Liam immediately is

22:45 On Keith like now we need to Target Keith next he's clearly the person that's fake tears he's not even crying like how bad is his like perception of what is going on because I looked at it and I could clearly see on the camera that Keith was teary-eyed like you could see he wasn't crying but he had that watery eyes like unless Keith as an actor you could see he looked up set so I just don't get I feel like Liam was looking for answers in all the wrong places I think I think Liam like this is just him the entire game he's like oh yeah no I reckon it's Keith and then like that oh yeah no I reckon it's Gloria oh Gloria is not it oh yeah I reckon it's oh who's left oh God no one's left oh I guess I guess it's me maybe I'm the trader maybe I'd maybe I didn't feel him tap my shoulder when he was going around at the start you know honestly hopeless foreign you mentioned before like acting like eight-year-olds like once Liam gets an idea in his head as well there's like he flicks he's like it's 100 them I know it's them and like where'd that come from I don't know but it's definitely them like it's there's no like ifs and R's and maybe he's like switches from one to the next and he's 100 committed and all in on every

24:05 Single decision he picks out of the air yeah I always knew it was Keith you know like I just I just don't get where that false sense of confidence comes from like I'm like a you know I'm like a psychologist or a psychiatrist that can read Keith's emotions and I'm that in tune like has he been told his whole life that he's great at reading people like I just don't get where that confidence comes from because to me he doesn't come across as someone that does there's no shots being fired Liam as a person because I think he's probably the most genuine bloke you probably want to sit down and have a beer with him but when it comes to casting for this show like they clearly put him there for a reason and it was because when they did the psychometric tests when they evaluated this guy and they put him on the show they knew he was going to be a sheep out there and they knew that he was going to be someone that the traitors would easily manipulate in the game and that is exactly what's happened up until this point the only person here in this first episode that are kind of on to Sam is Hannah and again you know shame on Hannah for sleeping for most of the season because every time they wake up towards the end that is when they get removed from the game but she's the only person here kuna that doesn't actually take at face value that saying because he had the shield that he was safe in the game that they tried to murder him in the game like or for YouTube's sake send him off to a better place because YouTube hatable

25:25 Will use that word but you know she was the only one that realized that maybe this was a ploy and that Sam most likely would be a person that is a Trader in this game especially considering they've set a very strong precedent and track record of not voting for someone or not getting rid of someone who went to the Armory right like there's a very clear methodology and it makes sense they're all going it doesn't make sense why would you like it absolutely that you're 100 right your instincts are correct there it does not make sense to try to get rid of someone who went to the Army because there's a chance it won't work right they know that the trade is so far have eluded capture they are smart obviously you should be looking at that going they wouldn't have done that they recruit like 100 they wouldn't have done that because and they're like oh but what if they took a shot and Miss like based on what why would they do that now when they haven't done it at all the entire season the whole the whole way through and risk it they said it's like throwing away a free n-word you know so yeah I don't know it was it was very interesting because one of the things that I looked out for as someone that watched the first season is that normally and also any of the other Seasons internationally for the show whenever they recruit normally the host comes into the room the next day and

26:45 They say last night someone wasn't murdered because someone was recruited but Roger didn't did that he didn't do that this time he said something may have happened in the middle of the night for that it did or something like that he would talk to in a riddle but he didn't actually give Sam's plan away which I found to be interesting that we're seeing the game evolve from season one to season two here Tom it's a good thing in my mind that the host is allowing for them to have the toys within the game and to do with it what they want I would hope that they continue to evolve the show from here on and they give more different mechanics to the game because I feel like in Survivor in the US currently we're saying give us less mechanics because less mechanics is good in Survivor in the US because they're doing too much when Traders I feel like a couple more mechanics where Traders potentially could hang themselves to help give the fight force a little bit of an answer to certain things could be good so it's at least good that they're willing to let the show evolve in front of our eyes yeah I think it's a good thing that they're doing that but maybe they should have waited till next season because like these faithfuls need all the help they can get I think they needed old mate Roger to be like yeah they recruited someone so there's three Traders now you're kind of screwed it's actually these three people in the room I'm just helping you out as much as I can because you're never gonna find it out yourselves yeah even if you told them they probably would still not have been able to figure

28:06 It out so let's read a couple more of the comments here Char dude coming in with the five Australian dollars thank you so much Chad would much appreciated as always we will be putting it back into the channel saying funny thing is they went in with a whole plan to vote out Sam and then Sam says one thing and changes everyone's mind to vote Gloria and that's what we spoke about earlier absolutely insane I feel like there is some conversation that we missed and we'll talk about that in a little bit but also we've got City back here in the live city I haven't seen you in quite a while welcome back to the live saying Sam all caps is an amazing player to watch I agree and CD is loving the season so far and I think that you can be one of two camps you either love seeing the Traders Dominate and the faithfuls fumbling around like buffoons within the game and not being able to figure it out which is easy to say as someone that's sitting in the sideline I would never personally want to play Traders because I if I was a faithful I probably would look like an idiot and I wouldn't want to go look like an idiot on national TV but yeah I think if you if you enjoy seeing that you would enjoy the season but I think for people like us who think about these things very strategically and we believe that we've got some common sense and then we get to see all these different hints and we know the Traders are on the screen we feel very frustrated sometimes with the faithful stop being able to pick it out and that's not taking anything away from Sam's

29:26 Game because Sam is playing an amazing game I agree with you on that also wanted to say to Danica you know well you're going back to your first real job that's amazing first time in 20 years after being a mom that's awesome all the best of luck with getting back into the workforce I haven't been out of it as long as you but I've just started applying for jobs as well after about six months of traveling so you know I definitely know what it's like to be out there on the hand so I guess I don't know for 20 years that's a long time but you know well done really happy for you I hope you enjoyed and hope that they've got a really good culture there as well we'll say congrats on the new job yes Tempe temp says would you say this is the dumbest seasonal traders of All Seasons worldwide hard to argue with that Deputy it's very hard and I know that kuna and Tom haven't seen all of the trader Seasons but I just I haven't seen Traders New Zealand which I understand that's a very good season with faithfuls that are very smart I think they picked a lot of the Traders throughout the season so this would have to be the dumbest season of all time and I don't know if it's because Sam is the best player of all time or not that's the problem we have even in shows like Survivor like whenever someone dominates the show is it because everybody else was that bad or was the winner just that great Sam's like

30:46 Regardless of my opinions on what he's obviously what he's doing is working and he's spinning magic because it is a completely dominant season the only Trader to go out was from him right and then no one's even come all close they've come they've tiptoed around the edges and flirted with the idea of Sam being a traitor since the beginning almost and it hasn't come and I will say I will say he's it's also not like it's been like I don't Sam's making it look easy which is impressive but it hasn't been easy because Blake has been the person next to him Tethered to him in this game that he's been pulling kicking and streaming up the mountain as he's on his way to get to the top of the mountain to win he's carrying Blake's dead weight up that mountain right now Tom it's not easy because Blake has not trusted him for a long time but yet he is still somehow able to manage to get Blake on the same page as him as they're moving through this game I just don't get I really reckon Sam should have taken out Blake at that last one because you know he wants you know I mean the money's not looking that I mean I'll take any amount of free money let's be real but like the money at the moment is not looking super amazing in terms of cash prizes so like splitting that three ways no I'd take Blake out and then to be honest I think Camille

32:06 Has like the best chance of making it to the end considering like I never heard anyone say her name and you know I definitely wouldn't pick up that she's a Trader at all from if I was on the season but I probably would have gone for Sam and or Blake by now so you know I reckon she has the best chance of making it to the end as a Trader so Chris like we've said the game is geared towards the Traders they have an advantage in this game with Camille she said I knew it was you to both of them when you looked at each other the claim that she saw it she knew it was them would you then switch to become a Trader with them or knowing both of them being traders in your heart would you say no I'm gonna stay faithful and get them out personally I think that if a traitor offers you the option to become a Trader and I'm pretty sure what's happened before in a season you do it I'm pretty sure it happened in one of the seasons where someone said no and then they were taken out of the game the very next episode because like oh you're not going to join us you're on to us you're out so I feel like being a Trader you've just got such an advantage in the game and also I feel like in Camille's situation like Tom said she's been such a big Trader Hunter she's someone that a lot of people firmly believe is

33:27 A faithful she's not in the in the firing line at all but we saw how well that worked out for Gloria so I might eat these words but I don't feel like Camille's going to put her own you know foot and a mouth like when she's talking I feel like she can Bob and weave better and she'll be able to navigate to the end I do think she's in the inside Lane to win this season but there's also been other Seasons where people have come in from the side and they were recruited later on and then they're immediately made targets so that they can continue to prove that their faithful you know I thought that was going to happen that's what I would have done I would have tried that if I was Sam like knowing how risky and ballsy he is I thought that was definitely what he was going to do I think that he's struggling with Blake a little bit and I think that's something he's got to navigate throughout the game but I'm very interested to see how the in-game is going to work out now with those three Traders and the two faithfuls coming into the end game like you've just got to have this feeling that at least one or two of them are going to get taken out I find it hard to believe Sam's not going to win and if Sam does not win he's definitely going to be the Fallen Angel of this season like he's pretty much carried this season on his back at this stage and I'd be I'd be devastated for him if he did lose it but maybe that's you know potentially put it up there for a future All-Star season and this would be something that would be interesting Tom do you think that the

34:47 Traders game is a game that could be played in an All-Star season if it gets a third or fourth and a fifth season we get to another season do you think that this game can be replayed by the same people that have played it before I answer that you say like it'd be such a crime of Sam didn't win I don't know if he wants to win that much remember he was he was giving up those silver bars like he didn't even drink the drink he just poured it out just so no one would have the silver I thought that was so funny but no I think I think it would be a really cool game for an All-Star season but like man how imagine if you were a Trader in your season and you have to go on like I feel like it'd be impossible not to get targeted but then again like I think you'd be pretty stupid if you're a faithful and you went oh this person's a was a Trader in their first season so they must be a Trader this time but you know that's the logic of this season at least well if Liam's out there I want you to think you do the reverse you reverse me like you know and garden so he must be a Trader oh my gosh all right let's talk a little bit about the challenges for this specific two episodes the first one was one where they had both Hannah and Sarah locked up inside of a room and they had silver bars with them they had 30 minutes to run around Hannah was the communicator

36:07 She had to look at the map that could find these barrels hit the barrels then get some silver bars from it what did you guys think who know what did you like this challenge I'll go over to Tom did you like this challenge while kuna is having a coughing fit on that side there I thought I thought the first yeah like that challenge was a bit hit or miss a lot of the challenges for me are like some of them I'm really like into like the torture one I thought like that was fun like seeing like them have to answer questions and then like Luke's suggesting oi let's just get them all wrong so they get tortured that was pretty funny but I found this challenge a bit of a snoozer but I like the challenge in the next episode with the what the op shop like the yeah I still feel I feel like to be fair like and again I don't know the budget restrictions on the show and what they're doing the challenges for me in the first season felt like the weakest part of the show and it still feels to me even the season like being a little bit critical it still feels like the weakest part of the show for me Kahuna where I find myself like sometimes dozing off a little bit in the challenges because it feels like there's less at stake and again it I don't want to sound like a broken record there's got to be something we can do and maybe it's because Kahuna you and I cover a show called The Challenge and

37:27 It's very hard for shows to compete when you're watching them alongside each other it's very difficult for a show such as traders to compete with a show that is made around challenges yeah and like there doesn't seem you're right there's no Stakes to it because even people like we saw last week they're just willing to give up they got the silver anyway they're not that like desperate to build up the thing the prize pool for some reason I don't know why like if they expect to win and they're down to the final six you'd think they'd want to you know pump it up as much as they could but none of them seem too fussed about it and I think maybe it's just that thing where like Tom said the prize Pool isn't that big where in your head you're going a million dollars or five hundred thousand dollars is such a life chat like any money like this would be life-changing absolutely but because they're chipping away at it by adding 2 000 each silver bar it just has a much smaller feeling if you know what I mean it doesn't have the same Grandeur and then the challenges themselves aren't these big spectacular like you know television products they're just kind of communication based things strategy like teamwork based things and that a lot of them feel like things you would do on a corporate getaway like you know a team building exercise

38:48 For quick question for you because I feel like there's something lacking and I don't know if it's because I am looking at this from a Survivor aspect right and it's hard not to compare because let's be honest we all got into reality TV because of Survivor it is one of the biggest phenomenons out there when it comes to reality TV so you're always going to be compared to a show such as Survivor when it comes to these types of shows what about if they in the challenge were to hide a hidden Shield like kind of like I heard an immunity idol where people that are doing the challenge in the middle of it they get the option where they could be tempted only one to go for the hidden Shield but it would cost the team some money or there would be a consequence that but you at least get safety and maybe it's the opposite to the shield that just keeps you safe in a situation where the Traders could take you out of the game eliminate you out of the game but it could also be banishment you've got safety ad banishment which seems to be something where you could pull this out and say sorry you guys wanted to banish me but not tonight I got this you know type of thing I feel like something's missing Todd like just I'm looking for that extra game mechanic yeah see what I was thinking I think that's a really good idea but I was thinking halfway through the season roughly because it does fly by pretty quickly on this show compared to like Australian Survivor that is just so many episodes and weeks and whatnot but if

40:08 They had yeah like individual challenges about halfway through and it's about like 10 people or less and you could win a shield that's specifically for banishment instead of murder and that adds a new element to the game where the Traders have to think oh should we target this person because they are really good at challenges and they're like they're not safe tonight so maybe it's a good chance to eliminate them in the m word capacity yeah so yeah I like I think I liked it there's got to be something I feel like it's something that they need to do while we're talking about this could you do us a favor you're the stats person for us have a look at what the ratings have been like because I haven't checked in on the ratings for quite a while to see if people are still sticking with the show or not and then I'm going to read a couple more comments in the meantime I've got chatted here saying what about All-Stars of the best Traders what would be really interesting is getting a season full of people who've previously have been Traders so if it gets to that point and it's long enough in the game and you've certainly got like 20 previous Traders all playing the game and you know only three of them are going to be Traders again that could be an interesting concept because you know all of them have been lying about it before or have been in that position Andrew Lee is also asking Chris would you be a

41:28 Chains prisoner or Problem Solver my personal life I'd be a chain I'm just joking chain prisoner I'm too lazy to solve you know yeah but for sure I think it's easier to sit back what about a season that's just Sarah and Liam trying to solve a mystery and we just see how long it takes them you know that'd be interesting longer series ever four years on air and still not sold 100 I would love to play Survivor with Sarah I would take her all the way to the end should be the easiest beat in history easier than Liam you reckon it'd be easier than Liam oh I mean Liam would be your boy you guys would have a bromance he'd be a Rob he'd be the robin to your Batman when you're out there well he could maybe beat me in the individual challenges I'd like to think I could beat Sarah in an individual challenge fingers crossed you know an endurance challenge yeah dedicated saying I think the challenges are supposed to be able to be done by everyone ages abilities so they can't do it like the challenge no jumping from giant trucks and I get I get that Danica I wasn't trying to kill Sarah out there by jumping from one truck to another truck okay I was just thinking let's spice it up a little bit you know there's something it's just

42:48 Something for me that's still missing but any case the second one was a little bit more fun a little bit better we'll talk about that in a little bit Andrew Lee also here saying absolutely love extraing and that was the two-handed x-raying technique yeah it was interesting to see them do the X throwing here and what did the X-ray happen it was on the yeah it was in the first part here in the target practice because this is the one where Keith actually came out and said that he had experience in it and ended up pulling up the win against Sam and it was actually quite funny Tom to see Sam be really pity throughout this whole thing like I'm gonna take him out and then you know I'm kind of pissed off that he did this but I'm going to vote him out before he even gets to be able to be saved by The Shield that would 100 be me if I was playing this or like Survivor or whatever like if someone like beat me at an accident on competition I'd be like okay you need to leave you need to get out of here like ASAP I want to be the best ax thrower here even though that achievement holds no merit in any world except I guess ax throwing competitions yeah it was it was fine I mean obviously no surprises Sam's good at that as well there's a cowboy so he's living up to it at least from that part of it because he's been doing well in all the individual challenges and he's also taking out all of his competition I'm coming over to you I think I've stalled long enough

44:08 Have you been able to see anything in regards to ratings have they kept us up to date with that yeah so apparently it's gone up this week in the two most recent episodes being to Monday being the penultimate one they said that it was up a total of 38 for the total audience for 494 000 viewers across both episodes though so broken down it's like I think the most recent one episode eight got 275 000. so it's not like a big Audience by any means but certainly not as poultry as it was last year when they were really worrying whether there'd be a season two or not so it's certainly maintaining its audience it's actually growing in this week as well so that's good that's good I'm glad that it's going because I did wonder about it when I was watching this episode and you know if someone was to flick the channel over and the random scene of the traitors Walking With The Capes and the face masks going up the trader Tower if that was the scene I saw flicking in between channels I probably would keep flicking because it would be very cold like kuna and be like what is this what am I watching so I feel like you know if you get it on the wrong time when it comes to the show you might not stay on the channel because I feel like it's a very wouldn't get it's a very it's a very specific audience that maybe watches something like eyes wide shut and has a

45:28 Particular taste that might have been very interested for a second and then go ah they kept the clothes on the entire time I'm out now so the mask and the robes could turn it take a very different turn depending on how you want to go with it but yeah it's very interesting we have childhood here in the Life saying did you see the insta post about the cast getting hate from the traitors and I don't think it's a traitor's only issue like I remember a couple of seasons ago Conan Tom well we did Blood versus water for Survivor there was so much hate towards players online and specifically for people that were playing game moves like I've heard Sam's getting a lot of that mucky's been telling me all about it because Mucky actually stays up to date with a lot of the social stuff where I kind of post and ghosts and don't get too involved in a lot of the online stuff and he just said Sam's copying it a lot and these other players that are copping some hate out there it seems to be an Australian fan specific casual audience thing I don't know why that is that it seems like some of the Australian fans really take these games personally sometimes I don't know kuna if you want to talk to that I have no idea what it weeds me out to some of the stuff that I see on Facebook and the yeah like it's like they did it to them it's like

46:48 They're faithful and Sam literally stabbed them in the back or something the way people react I mean it's not just Australia like we see it on the challenge and stuff the way people have their teams and their favorites and if you're not my favorite then I hate you that's a good point you know it's that fandom thing like you know like every I mean reality TV like if we're talking about how toxic it can be it's nowhere near the fandoms of Like a Star Wars or something like that as well you know what I mean like if you that's just when people like things and get obsessed with things it can unfortunately bring out the worst part of it like even like sports like tell me some English Premier League fans are not pretty bad to some opposing teams and stuff like that you know what I mean like it's just part and parcel of when you are a fan of something you follow something then you don't like the other I don't get the correlation though because it's not a sport and I see it as an overall thing rather than picking one individual person but I've also lived with that like my wife is very much like that where she'll be like I like this person and now that they're voted out I don't want to watch anymore and I hate that person I never wanted to win and like don't you get it they're the villain of the show like it's meant to be you should be hating

48:09 Them that means they're doing a good job at what they're doing but people I don't know they can't differentiate like fiction from reality I don't know what it is I think I know what it is and I don't know you guys can tell me if I've got like a fake sense of confidence here like Liam has when it comes to picking out these Traders you know maybe I'm completely off the mark as well but I always look at it this way when somebody on social media goes off be it at you as a person be it at these shows and they come from a place of hatred it is because people project what they feel inside like if they're in a very vulnerable state in their lives if they've got stuff going on in their lives that are not great they have to have an outlet and sadly sometimes these players that are on our screens they feel like they can you know shoot from the hip and throw some of this stuff at them because they themselves they're going through a dark place always look at it like the people that do this they're broken themselves as well and there is a story behind why they're doing this I don't think in life anybody that is successful or that are achieving stuff has the time to go back and throw a reality TV stars like I just don't I feel like if you're that kind of person you don't have a lot going on in your life sadly and it saddens me when people do that to be honest with you because I just don't get it but I also

49:29 Feel like if you're not mentally very strong Tom I know you're someone that wants to go out there and do reality TV one day you know you're someone that would love to be on Survivor similar to myself as well like if you don't mentally go in there prepared that you could get a lot of hate coming your way then you know I feel like you're in for a rude awakening I think I'd love to get all the messages you know I'd be like you'd be likeable I wouldn't be likable you'd be the likable Guy Tom no I think if I got a death threat I just like responding oh my gosh that's so cute like let's just say something like really like random that they just wouldn't expect and like really just annoy them more but I find it funny that like Australians are like doing that kind of stuff I feel Australian like from what I've perceived living in Australia my whole life we don't really care too much about celebrities and I mean not that like reality stars are like much celebrities but like people I just want to say these are keyboard Warriors because I've lived in Australia on and off for a long time as well I walked this yeah like now as well like moving and even in Melbourne like I've been amazed in my first couple of weeks of how friendly people are here and they just want to help you and stuff like that it's not by perception of people out there these are keyboard Warriors these are and I think Kahuna quite rightfully sort of pointed out that it is that it's not just an Australian thing it is I think it is a fan thing maybe a casual fan we sometimes say or it's just people like I said that

50:49 There's some stuff going on in their life and they're projecting that's what I think there's also like you see in-game itself right things like Survivor we've seen when people backstabber an alliance partner or something and they the vote goes against them they either hold that very personally and actually keep it as a grudge or they can look and go good play like I know it's a game I would have done the same thing and that's just the two different personality types and you take that outside of the game to watching it's the same way like you can watch it and go I can see that was a good play I'm not gonna make a thing but other people go that was wrong that was bad evil people they do these things where's the honor like it's that yeah attitude that translates and it's a weird thing like they expect everyone within a game that is a television show that is meant to be for entertainment purposes that is manipulated in a certain way and presented in a very specific way they expect them to hold up to their own personal standards and project that upon the screen and when they don't live up to that it can get very you know for people who can't handle who aren't mentally strong like you said Chris they get all like befuddled and mix up personal emotions with random people on TV which is never healthy yeah charted here says I remember

52:09 Watching the U.S Survivor Union show and when the villain of the Season spoke everyone booed them I think there was Survivor all-stars when Gerry manthey spoke at survival All-Stars reunion everybody booed her because back then she was the black widow she got rid of fan favorite Colby Donaldson early on in that season who was beloved you know so I think a lot of people probably saw some hatred go her way as well so it's definitely not an Australian only thing you're right to call that our kuna and also you know looking at it I think it's just one of those things that you're gonna get at every season but the fans that really love these reality TV games they get it like we get it we know Sam's playing a game Liam I feel like is going to be really butt hurt by the end of the season because he's been dragged along so much and we're starting to see things unraveling in the second episode but we'll talk about that in a minute let's talk a little bit about the second challenge that we saw on this week's show we had a bull in a china shop where they had this shop they had to be tethered together one blindfolded the other person navigating them through it and with a whole bunch of things I actually saw Tom sort of mimic a version of that while we had the loading screen in the background he was like moving things around in the background while we were waiting to get his chair out and everything so I was like Tom are you practicing for Traders season three you see my pajama pants

53:32 Yeah don't worry we weren't life we weren't live I could see people in the in the background when we go live so don't worry like no one else saw your pajamas I didn't see your pink undies don't worry about it oh yeah that's what I'm wearing at the moment no well this is another thing about that challenge when they were when Roger was saying that like the bull in a china shop clue and everything and they're all like I wonder what that could mean and Liam's like oh this is the one oh I never get one at any of Roger's riddles I'm like it's a very common expression how do you not know what that means Andrea Lee here saying it would be absolutely entertaining to see Mucky and Hamish participate in this Challenge and I can tell you one thing because Mucky people who've never met monkey in real life he's the one of the co-hosts I think most people that have watched Traders content on the channel they know who he is but Mucky is like really tall clumsy so Mucky doesn't even need to be blindfolded or Tethered to anyone he would still knock everything over when he's in there trying to move around so it would be hilarious to see him Hamish that's what I get I get anxiety when I see those type of challenges and like that's like a fat person's nightmare squeezing through tight places and breaking things that you might have to pay for like that's that was that's actual shops with wide aisles for me you were working up

54:52 A cold sweat just looking at it just watching from the sidelines Gloria and who was it Sarah they were all both as well like this was not the challenge for them to be doing so when they would give it together Gloria kind of called that out but it was a fun challenge it was it was good to see them get some bars they I feel like Roger was pretty kind to them because he let them keep eight bars they only lost two bars Kona do you feel like he gave them a little bit of a pitchy bars here to get that winnings up because like Tom said the winnings are looking pretty low at this stage yeah there was there's a few like I think the wording of the challenge itself says that only one person can touch things and then when I saw Sam put the Hat on Blake and it was good comedy and I was like oh he's just throwing the challenge I thought he was like you know because he was reaching out and grabbing things I was like wait a second is he allowed to do that like you know even though it wasn't the item they were looking for the fact they was I was like this could have been a really good challenge Chris for what you were saying adding additional mechanics to the game maybe The Shield is hidden in the op shop in one of the boxes or something antique or there's different clues that you can put in and hide things in a perfect situation like this you know what I mean like there's opportunities that they can put in place and they're just not really expanding the

56:12 Game and giving opportunities for the faithful to find ways the evidence that I don't see at all you know yeah you just made me think of something it's like should there be you know like have any of you guys watched Masked Singer before yeah so oh man Tom you've got to get on to this man you're missing it already Okay Tom like you're a musician like you're into music like you should watch the mass singer so the mass singer to give you like a very brief explanation of what it is they you know what it kind of is but they have these masks looks pretty silly you know when they go out there and sing but then people have to try and analyze who the singer is so the judges have to guess who they think the singer behind the Masters but the only way that the singer gets revealed is every week you vote for the most popular singer the one that you think is doing the best the person who gets the least votes they get unmasked all the way to the end and it could be that the person is an actual singer they could be an actor they could be a sports like football player it is phenomenal but one of the things that they do with the mask singer Tom is that they have every week as the show progresses they give Clues to the person's personal life like the person has two kids the person has grown up in blah you know used to play sport or

57:32 Whatever so is that maybe something where at certain challenges kuna they could like I feel like we're like thinking so far ahead of where the game currently is and the game's so far behind but there could be places where you could buy Clues to who the Traders could be so if you get to know people in the game be like oh keep cities from New South Wales as an example maybe keeps the trader you know like I feel like there should be these additional things like Snippets added into the game I don't know maybe I'm on like my own thing and I'm just like having creative moments here tonight where everybody's like that this would be terrible on TV but it seems to work really well for the mask singer it would add such a great Dynamic to it as well like if they if the faithful knew to be on the lookout for things then they'll also get red herrings along the way too and that might add some of the conversation like fuel as well they're like you know how we're supposed to look for Clues and we were right with the trade on the first one because the clue said that they you know whatever it is it led us to that I saw this and I think it means this person what and then it adds fuel ads because right now whenever they discuss they just go I think it's them why because what if it was a clue like what if it's like a clue that gets revealed but it's not actually I know we're like brainstorming here you know the trader should pay us for this production get in touch but what if it's like a clue being dropped where it's like the traitor was

58:52 The last person to get away from the Mind challenge like they were the last person to walk away from The Challenge and you've got to use your memory you're like oh who was the last person who you know there's something that we could add to like kind of like Pluto where there's like Clues along the way you know along the way I like the idea of as well have you seen The Usual Suspects it's a great movie and it's a huge spoiler alert if I tell you what's gonna happen because it's one of the biggest endings I don't know the spoiler but yeah you can do this thing where like say for example in the op shop today right there's paintings on the wall and stuff and then at the end of the season the viewer along with the thing go I don't know if you saw this but we had this painting here we put this symbol on this challenge we had this thing along the way right and you missed all these Clues but now when you see it all together it makes it paints for a pretty picture but once you put that in the game then you have the viewer then you have the faithful then you have everyone looking out for these things and adding another element to it like when Survivor tried to do the like the game within the game thing right and it didn't really work because of the way they did it but it added an element for the viewer to go oh I want to look for the game

1:00:12 Within the game right and if there's that element to it certain hints here why is why is there three rocks piled up over there as opposed to I don't know like you know what I mean like they obviously did it with the creepy Church challenge right where they have a clue and you have to look for the dog that matches the thing it could be something not as obvious as that but like there are little hints throughout the thing and you might not pick it up in real time but at the end of the season they do a montage and it makes for great TV to go oh it was right there the entire time telling them who the trader was and they were completely ignorant of it you know what I mean like that's one of the things that I like about the mole I know we're always going to compare traders in the mall to each other but the viewer don't know who the mole is either and throughout it there is like places where they go back is like a they go and show us what the mold did behind the scenes and how they sabotage certain challenges and you're like oh wow that's what happened there which is really cool to see Hello to Shauna Finley in the live chat welcome to the live it's great to have you here yeah so what did we think about the recruitment of I'm on a blank now who has recruited Camille come here yeah what do we think about the recruitment how did you think Tom

1:01:33 Camille did this week for you coming in she sort of came and didn't come in hot kind of like reminded me you know when you're in a new job and you walk into a managerial position you don't just go in there day one and fix everything and change everything she was kind of sitting back you know she was getting her 90-day plan together for how the next 90 days in the job is going to be how she can Implement positive change or completely bring the building down and then she went to work yeah I think she was like a great pick for the traders to recruit in terms of like she's she was the best player left on the board who wasn't a Trader my one concern with picking her from Sam and Blake's perspective is she is smart enough to outwit them and backstab them like if they chose someone like a Gloria maybe who or a Keith who to me are like very non-strategic players I feel like they could have put them in just to literally be another number and they could have easily outsmarted smarter them and like thrown like you know throwing them in front of the bus like Kahuna mentioned before saying like that like he thought that they should go for Camille and like they throw her in front of the bus like when she first became Trader

1:02:53 So I think she was a good pick but I reckon they might also regret at the same time because she will probably backstab them because she's smart enough unlike some of the other people left in the game I'm enjoying I'm enjoying what she's doing at this stage I do think that there is some real runway for her going into the end game I wanted to talk about this you know because I called it when I watched the show when Keith got voted out and I was like he's gonna do this big reveal I wasn't under you know you guys got it like half right but I was the best police officer probably production exam on a little bit as well but I kind of felt like he was interviewing for a job at the end there telling us about a CV he's going to be on Hunted well listen he'd be the right guy for hunted right in fact he should be he should be the person trying to get away because that's literally what he did when he went undercover and lived as you know I don't know if we can even talk about the stuff that he did because YouTube will probably like slam us for that as well but doing the work that he did Undercover I feel like that's a pretty good resume to go out there and prove if he can still do it I don't even know if he needs to hunt people let's get him going on the show going undercover I can't believe you like that this is the thing as well right when he comes out and goes no just throws it all on a table and everyone's shocked and stuff I would have been like

1:04:13 How come you haven't picked a Trader yet like where's your where's those skills that you've heard yeah like where was that man come on you didn't like interact with people and see people lying and know who was you know a real life Trader versus you know a murderer versus not like come on like that's supposed to be his calling card and he didn't I didn't see any of it throughout the entire season right like there was no there's no skills shown is that just maybe a sign of how difficult this game is to play because like I said you know we've had people like Cody calaferi who won Big Brother and he won an All-Star season he's gotten to the end twice in big brother he's a very capable player I know some of the fandom doesn't like him because he voted out their favorite players in the All-Star season I get it but he's a great player right he went out on Traders and played Traders and he said that the game was so much harder than what big brother was it is a very difficult game and I feel like there's things that we're missing as an audience sometimes we could easily say this guy of all this experience he kept getting it wrong but maybe it is just because of the fact that when you're a cop and you're out there are clues that lead you to finding a suspect where we've been complaining the whole time there is very limited Clues like you've got to go off like body language and weird

1:05:33 Stuff like you know you didn't see him probing that stuff either or trying like I'm a big fan on this is like gonna show people some weird parts of my head but on YouTube one of the things that I rabbit holes that I often go down is there's a very big phenomena right now of real life criminal confessions and stuff like that how the police have them in a room one-on-one and use various techniques to take a confession out of someone who's a murderer or a criminal like especially right and how they put themselves on their side and then they disarm them with charm and then so you know they depending whatever technique it is and the YouTube video will usually try to break down what techniques they're using and I'm like you know this stuff you should be like where are the probing talks why aren't you asking Sam about the farm a little bit more like do you remember where are the conversations where you're trying to extract any sort of information to go off of and maybe they're not showing it but I also we have not seen it like the conversations are always incredibly shallow and they seem to be more of a Survivor style get numbers for whatever action you're taking as opposed to actually trying to figure out and

1:06:53 Put people on you know in the difficult position put a bit of heat on someone see if they crack and maybe they don't like maybe they do I don't know but you're not really seeing that probing type of you know inquiries on the game well the thing for me as well that breaks my head right is that it's a very difficult game to play because as soon as you start putting your strategy out there as soon as you start talking about who you're going to vote for next you could be saying to the trader what your plans are you know in the game but you don't know who you could talk to so it's a game of you know when should you put everything out there and if you don't then you might it might be too late like I look at it this way the biggest dead giveaway that Sam probably is a traitor is the fact that he voted out Ash very early on he was the leader of that vote he orchestrated that and yet the Traders didn't look at him afterwards and said everybody now is going to believe he's a faithful we need to get rid of him next because that's normally what Traders do they get rid of the people that everybody thinks is a faithful yeah so therefore if everybody thought that he was a faithful in my mind I would have been thinking well why is why if the Traders not taking them out yet because we're not questioning him if he's still here there's a reason for that you know because people who questioned the Traders like Annabelle like Luke like Hannah like Gloria like everybody you can find them even what was the WWE girl or the wrestling girl Jasmine Justine Simone that's

1:08:13 The one even when she came out and questioned like every single time somebody woke up and they started smelling the Roses they were taken out of the game and I think that's what makes this game so difficult let's have a look at a couple of things here that people are saying and really saying Keith should have spoken up earlier about this Keith should have spoken up earlier or for the others about his suspicions being kept in the game for banishment and releases and finally they showed Hannah blowing up yeah like a mini blow up henna's very disappointing to me this whole season even at the end she started waking up but you know she was so gung-ho on the fact that Sam is the person and then she ends up voting Liam she throws a vote on Liam instead of sticking with Sam who she said definitely is a traitor in the game so it's kind of like half-assing it if I would much rather go out of the game swinging like a Luke or an Annabelle than what Hannah did in the game Tom yeah I totally agree like I just kind of forgot Hannah existed the whole time like she was just there and just like yeah you know she's getting massages yeah they showed her a lot but you know I feel like I don't know there's there are too many too many dummies in this season not enough faithfuls it was like it was like three Traders three faithfuls and 14 dummies playing in my eyes you know yeah so watching the last couple episodes

1:09:34 I was like I if you know how you put yourself in the shoes if I was on the show I feel like a long seated a long time anxiety of mine is that my visual is that I come off looking dumber than I am right I don't know if that's based in fact or whatever but it happens to be for the fact that one year I was in year nine I was 14 years old and I topped my grade for our English exams a big English exam of the year watch out over the achiever in the house yeah one of my friends comes up to me goes hey man I heard you got the best score in the thing I go yeah he goes are you smart like what I didn't know you were smart man I thought you were dumb I was like why like what is that and ever since then 14 years old it's just stuck in my head do people think I look dumb like is that a thing but I feel like on this show if I if you speak to anyone in any way that is intelligent at all you'd be scared that like you'd have to come off as dumb I want to be a Liam I want to be a Sarah I want to be to not be a threat to the Traders because if you are talking to people like you said Chris you're potentially talking to a Trader so how do you get your ideas across without seeming like a complete threat you have to trust that person implicitly

1:10:54 Like we've seen like you said all the smart people tend to get picked off and if you're giving off Clues even to the faithful not even for the traders to the faithful they always go that person's just so smart you'd make a great Trader and then they banish them and I'm like well like if I'm gonna go on that show and I open my mouth I just have to go and be quiet and look dumb but be smart or evenly or even just putting a Target out there and then that Target isn't actually a Trader and they go home and they're like well Kahuna was the one who said we should have voted for Tom so he must be a Trader and then they vote you out for just having an opinion so there are so many pitfalls like I quite openly can say I am not interested in playing Traders I'll watch it I'll laugh at the faithfuls because it's easy to do while I'm sitting on the sidelines but this is not my show this is not my show because I feel like there is too many elements in the game that makes it too hard if you're a faithful to get to the end and you can't Bank you don't have control over being a Trader I want to play a game like survival where I can take control of my own faith or fate in the game within the parameters of the game not a game like Traders where there's too much uncontrollables in it for me personally let's read a couple of comments here again dedicated saying why does the show not show everyone when they get the letter saying that they've been sent home do you think some have been really pissed off it seems like that would be good TV

1:12:14 They actually don't do it for any of the shows really the first season I feel like they may have had some people as they're driving away in the car they would say a few words or something but I do think that is another thing that's missing for me and maybe it's just the run time because Traders is a show where there are so many conversations happening and it's all about his set this she said that and everybody needs to be and on the conversations to understand the flow of what's going on I feel like they cut a lot of these things out that doesn't make sense but I mean having Luke Toki for instance go out without having final words to me was a travesty you know like I do feel like we miss out on that last season in Australia I think in America the first season they did the drive away short interview thing right but in Australia the reason why they didn't have that is because they did the separate online video for the website which was the exit interview type thing and they didn't even do that this season so I was very I was like I get it they don't they then put it in the edit because they do the after extra content for people and they don't even have that this season so it's disappointing for sure someone like you said Luke going out with nothing and then having to go on his social media to talk about it is disappointing yeah so Andrew Lee said too many frustrating elements I in I would end up like Luke or Annabelle judge is saying being a Trader's only Advantage if you know how to play the game yeah I agree and also if you don't have a Sam playing the game with you because I feel like

1:13:34 Sam has made someone like Blake's life very difficult playing Traders I feel like if he played in another season with people that were a little bit more level-headed maybe you know he would do well but listen it's working for Sam he is at the moment the mad scientist of the show I want to talk a little bit about how the vote came together her on the second one as well because I feel like we've spoken about many of the things that have happened and you guys can call me out if there was anything that I don't know but after the vote where they get rid of Ian which was a horrible move by Blake to get rid of his right-hand person because he lost a person that would have loyally voted with him in the game after that they get rid of Hannah again both of those votes firmly Sam's votes because Sam knew he was taking a number away from Blake he knew Hannah was coming after him in the game so he wins again with both of those conversations gets his way they move into this next episode where it now seems like Sam and Blake are going to go after each other a lot of people want to Target Blake at this stage in the game and a lot of people want to Target Sam as well and Gloria starts to put some of the pieces together she has a conversation with herself the ladies are all together sort of having a conversation with Camille Gloria and Sarah and they're all pretty much set on voting Sam and Blake was set on that it only needed four people to vote on it Kahuna

1:14:54 Did Camille and Blake messed this up at the end of the day by not going through with it because they could have forced the 3-3 vote here because Gloria was going to go no matter what she was going to go on Sam she did Camille and Blake could have gone that way Sarah changed her mind last minute which ended up them changing their votes as well was the right move to get rid of the biggest threat in the game here because I kind of feel like you want if you've got an opportunity to take a shot at the king you better not miss 100 Blake already missed so maybe he's a big gun shy he's taken his shot before and Sam said at a no more you set him down one yeah he goes you get one mate like that's it but Camille had it and with the numbers so small when you have two out of the three Traders it's already like 40 of the remaining as well like with Gloria like even if even if they missed it and they got their they called their shot and Sam found out you'd hope that by this point you could have the numbers that it wouldn't matter Sam can only readily Liam you know after that point like if it didn't work like really like if Blake and Camille just committed and stood strong they could grab a Gloria who they should really be able to get Sarah as well because I don't know how she could flip though

1:16:14 Like that's ridiculous to me I don't know how she makes her decisions I don't understand that at all but really when you're looking at the numbers you should have been able to look at and go Sam has Liam and that's it let's get him even if he finds out even if we he knows there's nothing he can do as long as we rally what we've got and stand strong then we should be okay and if we're both targeting and both speaking and both like firing all that we've got at him even Sam's brilliant Wizardry shouldn't be able to get out of it I'd hope you know what I mean yeah it's interesting it's interesting that it's the light game here and I think that's why we're seeing some interesting risky plays like Andrew Lee says it's a high risk move to use The Shield as I plan to say this is why they weren't taken out of the game nine times out of ten I would not use that move for no win situation for a faithful or a Trader which is true because if you don't have to Shield the next round then people will say well why didn't you get taken out you know so you're kind of running this higher risk it's like a double edged sword that you're dealing with but it happened so late in the game that it doesn't really matter at this stage like you said because the votes are starting to go into the favor of the traders that are left in the game but you know Danica's saying it would be great to have all three Traders actually work together instead of against each other New Zealand did a good job

1:17:34 With two of them until one got voted out maybe offer bonus dollars they make it to the end for me I actually personally prefer the Traders going after each other I think it makes it more entertaining than seeing the Traders because at the moment it is already so difficult for the faithfuls to pick out who these Traders are like if the Traders actually work together it would have been impossible there would have been no drama this season right Tom yeah no I agree with that like the Traders have just got so much power in comparison I think going back to what you said before about how you'd never play I was just thinking about it then actually if I played I would I would pull an intentional Sarah strategy where I almost get myself voted out in the first episode and people just look at me and go this guy is hopeless there's no way that they trusted him being a Trader and I just skate all the way to the final five like I just I have yeah there's a there's a problem to this is the reason why I don't think Traders is an easy game to play because if you make it obvious like Peyton did that was literally Peyton he'd like he nearly blew up his own game in the beginning of the Season or not really him Sarah Neary blew up his game but it got to the point where people are like clearly he's not a Trader because you know he's gone overboard to prove that he's

1:18:54 Not capable of being a Trader so they voted him out because if you're clearly not a Trader the Traders don't see you as someone that they can pin the blame on see that's why I've got to blow up your game like Sarah not like Payton you know it's it's a different art explain me the difference explains it explain it to me I just think I think people looked at her and went no idea whatsoever I'm keeping you around and like I think in the very first episode she said something like I'm a very like oh like I'm a very laid back kind of person or a very I don't know she said something like that no one would ever say like if they actually were that thing it was like I'm so not humble but like I'm down to earth I'm such a down-to-earth person like no one is down to earth says Earth person so like you know as soon as I hear someone genuinely say that I'm like yep you're coming straight with me to the end I don't want you going anywhere you know of all the games right of all the reality games that we love and cover Chris so the challenge is you know the more physical Survivor probably the more strategic right is easily the most psychological it's meant to it's more about technology yeah before the mechanics

1:20:14 But yeah like Traders is the psychology-based one it's about how you interact and the freaking psychologist is one of the worst she should hand in her like your thing is psychology knowing how people think talking with people every single day and understanding how they tick and she's just missing everything all over the place Kahuna came in hot tonight and he is taking shots at everyone first it's the cops is what I'm saying I don't want you to go to her for psychology advice if one of the three of us were to play the game I reckon it should be Kahuna because I want to see if Kahuna can live up to this if he can go out there and be the trader Hunter right Tom no how about the Kahuna plays Traders I play Survivor and Chris you can you know you can play MasterChef I don't know you know excuse listen I want to win the show right yeah at least at least Amazing Race has like next to no strategy so Mucky is crazy like strategy moves can't really kill you I'll take I'll take Andrea Lee or Char dude with me I reckon one of those two as a team member on

1:21:34 The Amazing Race Easy Money Andrea Leo chadu Easy Money think about it yeah let's get our audition tape in for the next one well that's a good idea but I was gonna say with what Kahuna said I'll after watching Annabelle's banishment I Loki feel like this is like the hardest game to go through like she was crying and I feel that if I was her and everyone was saying like yeah you were 100 a Trader like when like she was literally the only person there for brain other than Luke I 100 think like I would I would cry like Annabelle did in that situation I'd probably be yelling at everyone like oh you're all like such you know effing idiots and all that kind of stuff like I'll just be going off at them you know so yeah this game I reckon is tougher than Survivor in the psychological aspects oh massive and interesting like again I know we've been as we're finishing it off here we've had a lot of good things to say about Sam so far tonight and he's getting nothing but love on this podcast because he's playing a phenomenal game like you know like I said if you're not a same fan at this stage then I don't know if you want to finish this season but maybe there'll be something satisfaction if he does get taken out at the end by a Camille for instance in the game but even at the end when Liam walks off and he now knows man maybe I am the fool of the season I think it's coming that realization

1:22:54 Is dropping on him because he's like I've been trusting him the whole time I've been saying there's no way Sam is the trader but somehow I have kept staying in the game so if I was so correct about my reads Everybody that have had a read that seemed to threaten the Traders they've been voted out of the game but somehow I'm still here why is that is it maybe because the person I've trusted in the game has kept me here for a reason I feel like he's slowly but surely the veil has been lifted and he realizes the position that he's in he realizes that he in my opinion and again no shots at Liam as a person I think he's a great guy I'd have a pint with him any day but may be the worst reality TV contestant we've ever seen when it comes to his reads and how he's played this game because he's played the game for the Traders when he's a faithful right I think he realizes how it's going to come across on TV at this point and he's like man I've been taken for a fool and he hardcore calls out salmon Camille at the end but Sam turns that on him so quickly in that conversation where he's like who's the first person to mention Keith and Gloria it was you wasn't me so maybe you're the trailer so he's even still in that situation Sam is not letting up man he's got the numbers but he's I think he's making Liam believe that Liam is a Trader at this stage yeah no Liam honestly has no idea I just thought of a genius idea Liam

1:24:15 And Sarah Amazing Race contestants together could would be perfect like they'd be the perfect first boot of Amazing Race I need to see that all blood versus water they can be like loved ones but I'd love that so much the worst ending to the show right now would be for Sarah or Liam to win this let's be honest like they deserve to have egg on their face by the end of the season and we need to have a trade a Standing Tall winning the money at the end right kuna Robin betrayed by Batman he'll be crying ever like I liked I do like that he's saying I want to take my revenge and he does seem to be taking very personally even though I'm like okay what are you gonna do Liam calm down mate like it's too late buddy there's two of you left and you're both morons so I don't know what's gonna happen they still think there's three they still think there's three faithfuls left I don't think any of them are genuinely thinking oh yeah that they recruited they recruited another Trader I reckon they still yeah I think they think there's two they think there's two left and there's three faithfuls I feel like that's why Liam said both Camille and Sam are the two Traders because I do think and that's crazy to me how Blake suddenly like I said one point Blake was in it but we clearly missed a massive conversation like I said earlier there because everybody was so set on going Sam and then suddenly in the middle of it changed to Gloria like it's just weird how these votes change and it feels like we're not being shown everything

1:25:35 On the TV show but so far I'm enjoying the season I mean it's I think one episode left before we the next one should be the finale episode we'll get to Crown a new Trader or faithful winner of this game I really think the bookies favorites are the high 90 percent that a Trader will win this season I'd be absolutely shocked if they don't but yeah it's been it's been fun talking to both of you gentlemen about the Traders episode this week and it's been great to have a great live audience here that have kept asking us great questions throughout this as well we'll be back next week to cover that finale episode and we've got a lot more content coming up so please consider subscribing to the channel hitting the like button on here comment below even if you're watching this later on comment below to let us know what you thought of the Season yourself or the last week of episodes what did you think of that and check out on the weekend as myself and gonna sit down to talk about The Challenge USA 2 the latest episode we'll be covering that again over the weekend and we'll also be back with more Wheel of Time coverage I'll have my good friend will with me for that one and if you like The Wheel of Time stuff so far there's been a lot of people that have been getting on board with it might be the start of some more scripted TV shows as well here on the nullify take Channel and like always man please subscribe like childhood is saying there because we're very close to

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