Who’s More Dangerous: The Strong or the Social?

0:14 [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] welcome back to the nullified take Channel where we've got the TNT takes for you on Survivor 47 episode 2 week 2 that is right we're doing the non recap version of the podcast so expect for us to be a bit more relaxed we're definitely not going to be hating on the season we're not going to be getting technical or anything like that here and that's why we brought our friend Tom on because you know Tom is a very casual and chill guy definitely not a bro at all Tom how's it going how are you doing I'm having the best time of my life I think next week will be better depending on a certain result

1:34 Otherwise the world won't be worth living but we'll see how it goes yeah Survivor it's not half bad after all yeah did you watch the footy at all over here in Australia did you get into the AFL the AFL I mean I didn't watch it I was working but yeah good on the lines good on the line so Tom Nick of the woods they won they won the AFL over here which is our equivalent of the NFL really my team like Sydney Swans versus the Brisbane Lions unfortunately and my team got utterly destroyed which fun hey excuse me NRL is the equivalent of NFL AFL is just I don't know it's the equivalent of American soccer that's what it's the equivalent of okay here we go here we go bit of bit of Australian ban I'm an NL guy but we're East Coast people so to us it's NRL but statistically numbers-wise MoneyWise AFL kind of dwarfs NRL unfortunately yeah and similar to you know America only America plays American football and only Australia

2:54 Plays AFL really it's not already known outside exactly takes the rug guy to see that exactly let's say hello to a few people here as Tom tries to figure out I think his internet his Internet's been giving him a bit of problems Survivor simp is in the Life saying that loyalty no question is more well I guess what would you choose would you choose loyalty or strength G that is the question of this live we said you know what's more dangerous is it to take out the person who's strong who can win challenges or is it the social threat that's what we're going to be answering here on this live because that was the big sort of I feel like overarching storyline for this episode as well wouldn't you agree it was you know do you want to have someone in your tribe that potentially can win your challenges or would you rather take out someone that is potentially a social threat within the game and TK someone that could have been a very big benefit to his tribe the blue tribe ended up going home in this episode by overplaying potentially a little bit too hard too early let's have a look here Dan says well we made it through the hurricane but a large tree landed on our brand new roof it went from the back of the house to the front trapping us inside but we have some awesome neighbors

4:14 And a chainsaw that's crazy Danica you lived real Survivor out there in Florida came out yeah came out of the debris it's all now ready for pickup at the front of the street without power and internet my son took the generator over to the in-law a few blocks away because of because my father-in-law was released from hospital had surgery only in America where they'll send them home without power that's crazy yesterday stepped on a r well you've had the worst luck we're we're very grateful that you're here Dan with us on the live Sarah saying Dan I'm so sorry I hope you're okay and I will make it through this my heart goes out to you right now I agree we're all thinking of huden Gab saying I think this was a great episode and here's a guy I know would have loved the episode maky is with us makes an appearance maky what was your favorite part of the episode tell us were you with Gabe yeah no it was it was a fun episode I enjoyed it was fun I'm having so much fun Chris I really am I'm having so much fun rewatching survive New Era because of this one thing I know how to do is how to have fun and these cheeky little Skelly Wags of the new era sure do know how to make Great Entertaining TV I'm so thoroughly enjoying this new era season of survivors just wow it's just blowing my mind

5:34 Cuz I'm just having so much fun Chris I can't tell you enough just how much fun I'm really you're waking up at midnight to come and talk to us about all the fun you're having on this new season I am I'm waking up at midnight because I'm just having so much fun watching this season and I want to have fun with you boys right because if there's one thing I know how to do is how to have fun with some boys and so yeah we're here to you know have some fun to talk about the most fun show and the most sound like some py stuff over there k fun with the boys well my opinion something that because I didn't notice at first was when the chck stole the rice I didn't even notice her doing that the first so then when you know GIF PRP sped it up I was like huh yeah and so I had I can't believe I'm going to say this I rewind the episode to actually see her taking the rice wow that blew my mind because I was just having so much fun right because you know when I'm having fun I'll rewind and watch it because it's just such a fun show she out did you she stole the rice before you even had an opportunity to go on Survivor to steal rice you know who would have thoughta that the most entertaining part of this episode for Mony was the stealing of rice the most strategic podcast recapper that we have on the nullify

6:54 Take Channel really you know leaning in on the rice steing I know you're some that loves your rice would you have taken the risk raised by rice I like that she took that risk I like that she's like hey it's there Man and Jeff I like that he respected the attempt but still called her on it that's I like that's pretty good to why not push the boundaries and see where they lie I wouldn't have wanted to see it like see them penalized for it like cuz you know it's unpressed and you can't know that you're stepping over a boundary when there's this R City in front of you unless they said something specific beforehand take whatever you can and let them call you on it later it's you know it's better to ask for forgiveness than permission exactly we've got Gabe coming in early with the shots here saying if it's non-hate today on the podcast why is Tom here Tom why are you here tell us are you having fun like monkey yeah so I'm just curious Mony so like yeah that Rice part actually was my favorite part of the episode cuz for those who don't know plain white rice is my favorite food in the world and people don't believe me when I say that but I'm 100% genuine so seeing Rachel out there steal and rice favorite player now certified favorite player of this season you

8:14 Go yeah I like how Andy as well by the way oh I love Andy I love Asian you get it right like I should I want to eat the rice Asians that was so funny I'm not with that stereotype I'm fully white and I like R more than any world so Tom doesn't discriminate like he loves his rice you know I was going to say the funniest part of the episode for me by far boys was you know Andy sitting at tribe cutting the Coconuts like things are so much better now like what a what a difference a day can make everybody's loving me and you just see his tribe sitting on the side applauding him oh Andy well done oh look at you cut that coconut boy was doing so well and he's eating it up and I'm sitting there to thinking to myself Kahuna how is he not understanding that this is be like they are putting it on thick and he is thinking that they're actually applauding his skills in opening a coconut and now everything is good he just needed the acknowledgement kuna out there I was watching that and getting like I was laughing and smiling at the same time is just getting very annoyed and having a little bit of PTSD because I was just getting so much Vibes of my own children where I have to Fain

9:35 Enthusiasm yeah good daddy watch this and then kick you kicked the air good job buddy do it h you did it again okay the 12th time was even better than the 11th time mate okay good job and that's my life right and I was watching them going in my head I'm like they're treating him like a child like a literal child and then Sam comes on for his confession goes well I'm on babysitting Duty for Andy I just cracked up because I was like it really is like he has the mind of a child I wanted to ask Mary though what did you think of the bit where like when Andy found the lizard because I could imagine you doing like when Andy found the lizard what did you think of that bit I was I was imagining you doing something like that honestly man if I've been perfectly honest it was also another night of babies with the boys you know I was starting to get all my friends to come around so there's one way I'm watching this show is not sober all right so to me the whole episode was fun and like Andy as a character for me I'm just enjoying so much like just everything from the first episode to everything he's doing now is just it's go I love it I love Andy

10:55 Okay I want to bring up a couple of questions yes Sarah saying loyalty no question look how many social winners we have in the new era that is totally true Richard is saying Social over strength gab saying Survivor history shows those tribes fall apart at the merge maky happy to talk about this possible his possible Brother Kyle for the first time did you see that yeah Danica saying I think the winers should have been allowed to take the rice Richard saying someone do count how many times M has fun today absolute Legend and is saying shame those rice are wasted Brendon saying raw rice has nutritional value should have just eaten some during the challenge yeah I mean what's jef G to do if you start just gobbling them down Tom and if you start swallowing down those R it's not like you can get it back right nobody can stand between me and rice whether it's raw or cooked Rachel understands that she's my girl we're on the same wavelength here H yeah should have eaten it I don't think maky would have asked permission he would have just gone straight down and Chow Down on the on the raw rice right Mony you're damn right I would have would have asleep I would

12:16 Chris is saying if I was Andy I would be so embarrassed because of how they were cheering him on and I mean he should be embarrassed for a few reasons at this stage let's be honest like yes plenty of reasons like even in the episode where he goes and finds the beare advantage and leaves it there I get why he did it because I like especially have said on the podcast before I almost don't know if beare advantages are worth it in the game but when you're at the bottom of the totem pole you should know you're at the bottom of the totem pole Tom that could be your Lifeline in the game and he decided to leave it there ultimately with Sam finding it before he could and like has there ever been a player who's I don't know had worse luck in the game or had a worse start to the game than what Andy's had what blew my mind was the fact that like yeah he put it back and then according to the episode a few hours later he thought let me go check it again how is it getting it a few hours later any different like you know a beware Advantage usually means you have to do something to earn your vote so shouldn't you leave as much time as possible also on the crazy eyes thing like when Andy got the knife

13:36 Stab at the rice me and my dad like w wrong person to give a knife wrong feel like he's done it before I was like yeah I was scared he getting giddy he's like I got John and now I'm gonna get Sam and I'm gonna getes Jeff was literally telling him to watch out for his hand he nearly stabbed his own hand doing it with great responsibility comes great risk GIS and I would happily lose a hand out there for some raw rice so do you do Chris is saying Tom's favorite being a woman unprecedented you heard it here first Chris Tom's favorite the season Rachel of all the characters at this point Sarah saying yeah exactly Sarah says things might be turning around with Sam aligning with Andy and potentially playing as Idol for him what did you think of that M what did you think of how the tables have turned in this situation where you know Sam was all out on Andy he needed to babysit Andy and then suddenly you know he finds the beare advantage and he trusts him has a conversation with him about the fact that he nearly founded and then they bond over that what do you think of the fact that now he's

14:56 Potentially going to go out and save his somewhat Nemesis out there in Andy well look I mean no disrespect to the great Mad Dog Phillip when I make this comparison it's almost like a Boston Rob and Phillip with a Sam and Andy you've got this useless guy who's worth nothing and has no value in hey there's no way to talk about Boston Rob he's got a lot of fans out there then you've got the strategist right and sometimes yeah the specialist yeah and sometimes the specialist needs to carry this way who's just going to draw all the attention all the heat who's going to piss everyone off because that's going to take you know everything off of you it's going to take everything off of your like allies and your group and stuff because all eyes are on just this one person so I actually think that could be a great move for Sam to play as Idol for Andy and then because who's the chicky who's with who's the name c yeah s because then it's like they're in a prime position because they can go either way on the tribe as well so it's not really like the two of them against another two it's like a two against a one and plus all eyes are going to be on Andy you get what I mean 100% Dan saying if he can control Andy then it's a vote for who he wants out so

16:16 Right yeah and it and it looked like they were kind of setting up the whole anaka versus Sam situation like I feel like she's kind of from the outs Kahuna when they go and find the Idol together in the beginning of the beare advantage he said this is the worst person I can potentially find this with and she immediately said Sam's a massive threat in this game so it looks like they're sort of setting these two up to go against each other and maybe Andy is like his Frankenstein monster that he uses in the scenario to vote with him yeah I think they just recognize that they Pro they see game in each other you know what I mean they can see who's good and who's kind of they're wey or cautious of for whatever reason and it's usually you can notice that someone is smart social whatever the case may be so I could see that being the issue between and like he said you she's just not his number one and he's clearly not her number one because she ran straight to Rachel to tell her tell her about the beware Advent or Idol beware Idol so they kind of have that like you know they have the same thing the mirroring kind of thing like the opposite ends of the spectrum is that I'm with Rachel we're both kind of knowing that Andy's not a factor it's Rachel and anuka versus samam and Sierra and it's

17:36 It's interesting that's how it but I think he played that really well to actually find it with her he couldn't have done it any better like he knew immediately he wanted to bring Sierra in he knew Ana would go running to Rachel so he had to tell Rachel and not keep it a secret like as far as making a good situation out of an unfortunate like thing like he really did the best he could I think but also that like we've just seen just how great a public Idol can really work for you with the Mad Dog Ferris and trans ver Rebels right like everyone knew he had an idol and I feel like that information of him having that Idol made people very scared to vote for him because it wasn't a lot of times but he could be splurt on it's only good for one right yeah exactly but you know we saw like he hardly even got targeted from the merge onwards right so yeah I feel like a public Idol like I don't know I feel advantages these days just have a lot less value no one's really like that oh my God about it you get what I mean but there's probably something else along the way that's going to be even more powerful like they might get the knowledge's power or they might get to jump on a boat somewhere to go get something or you know it's just so many variables in the game that it's become less dangerous

18:57 And now that we had a couple of weeks of seeing how it's playing out with the idols having less and less power as well you know in the case of Sam he was like I'm not risking it I'm just taking one vote so that way I know I'm guaranteed I'm G to be playing it right and something very similar happened also in Rome's side of the equation let's talk a little bit about that tribe Tom like you know I'm a big fan of Rome like I think at the moment Sam's probably playing the best game but Rome is just entertainment so you still like the guy could made the NBA AER of course you exactly he could have been a podcaster he could have been on the nullify take and he would have replaced either maky or yourself Tom because he's that good why me I swear I swear last week you compared yourself a bit to Rome Chris you that a well I don't know if I compared myself to Rome I may have said seen some characteristics of some other great players that have played you know the game before like J he reminds me of JD just illusional you I did I did say in the by the way I did say in my cast analysis which you clearly didn't watch and that hurts my feelings a little bit

20:17 I did say he could play like JD actually I did say it in the cast analysis you're right but at least when I don't watch things hey Mony yeah I on the chin and I it I'm not going to watch Andor Tom I'm sick of it I'm just over it andle is a [ __ ] show no one likes it move on ahoka is always the best yeah that's Star War show oh everything star anyway but Rome he's I can't wait for him to just watch this back I hope he get I hope he's like fourth out and he gets voted out in a super embarrassing way oh I hope he plays his Idol on someone else CU he feels comfortable what an idiot ah he needs he needs to have he needs to have like a JD kind of send off he needs a reality check just like you know what I'm going to enjoy Kahuna is hearing Tom complain about Rome the whole season as he goes all the way to the top five I re R is a lock for the top five at this stage in the game he's playing the game exactly like the new age Survivor needs to this is how the new era is supposed to be played right you have to go all in try and find the idols play fast and sloppy make your own luck this is what Jeff loves you know he plays this he's probably going to play that bad boy in the next round

21:37 He's going to go back out there he's going to find another beare Advantage I'm calling it right now Rome's got the energy to take this season deep Kona wow you don't see a similar like I watching today I actually watched this afternoon just so I'm fresh when we had was it last year or last season was 45 but there was a season where we had very I think it was only last season 46 we had very similar like mirror tribes like it was going on both s like multiple tribes doing very similar things you don't get a TK Vibe with Rome here like he's just Maybee too much not to TK I think TK I could see how you maybe would say TK and obviously clearly socially he's struggling in that tribe right now but I just feel like he could be an Energizer buddy find a lot of you know advance ages that keeps him in the game I feel like he's that kind of Scrappy kind of player but maybe he won't maybe he Flames out but as long as he's there it's going to be entertaining I like the players that annoy other players but I don't think for me TK had toxic behaviors Rome thinks he's more than what he is but he's not bossing his tribe around from what I can see he stepped back he let the kashan take the you know the Flint make the fire he didn't he didn't say no I'm the leader I'm going to do it

22:58 Don't smile while the fire is not there he didn't tell people not to smile or anything like that it wasn't the same Vibes he was spewing when he didn't put that fire up I see TK is like the leader of the idiots but Rome is the guy who looks up to TK and wishes he could be TK which is which is even sadder that's even worse you know both useless bye Rachel Rice Queen how the TBL Tom doesn't like Tom doesn't like any of the guys so far Kun he's all in on Rachel interesting I love Andy I love Andy and is a goat so you just lost all your credibility see he just lost all his credibility with that comment he's taking monkey's corner here like as far as going for the Rogues and the St lunch I mean look Rogues and stevies is all we have Kahuna all right who else do you want me to care about I don't remember half the cast all right but I remember Andy why don't you remember no Andy those un forgettable they I think so Tom let me let me read a couple of comments we've been we've been leaving the crowd out of this for a while I want to read a couple of commentsi said can they move the advantage clue and you should just take it unopen and let no one find it no

24:18 The beare advantage clearly state that if you're not going to take it put it back where you found it so he can't take it and hide it somewhere else unfortunately for him Sarah says also I can't eat rice sadly because of sensory issues it's really hard for me to eat texture wise I try that's unfortunate I can when I first when I first got my braces off right because like with braces like I could not have like spaghetti or spinach it would just wrap around like the brackets and the wires and it's horrible and even stuff like lamb and pork like those really hard like foods and stuff that you don't want to damage the wire with like I didn't eat any of that for five years so when I first started eating certain food stuff like that again it was just it was so hard it was horrible so Sara I understand I relate to you but you know you can overcome it Den says if he can control Andy then it's a vote for him we read that previously gab saying on G it's anaka and Rachel versus salmon if Andy can keep calm or can calm down and not do the something crazy I think he can play the middle but I don't even think Andy knows that he's in a good position at this stage Darren says Sam should not have taken it with anaka right there true

25:38 Bit of a rookie mistake but he I think he reacted well to that and she was kind of close when it happened so I do agree with Kahuna that you know he did the best that he could from a from a really bad situation Gabe is saying Sam did the right thing since Anica saw him take it tiny screwed up badly yes you know everybody is hard Rome at the moment but I feel like tiny really overplayed with bringing kashan in and doing what she did and getting caught red-handed and I think that is the thing that potentially would make Rome aware that he's not as tight with her as he thought he was and we didn't really get to know hear much from the other tribe member that he has the one that kind of reminds me J Genevie the M's favorite player we didn't get to hear much from geniv this episode but I know she's quite close to Rome or was at least in the first episode but this could be maybe the thing that will put Rome you know on alert here so I've got a little bit more hope that he can go deeper it's kind of like last season I'll tell you where I'm coming from Tom I really enjoyed Q I enjoyed Q I know he annoyed a lot of the viewers I know he annoyed a lot of the people on the season I just like that person that's the heel on the show like if we lose Rome if we lose Rome so early on I feel like it's like we deserve to see Rome and Andy make the merge that would be a

26:58 Thing of beauty at the stage you're muted I think Q is 20 times villion more times better than Rome I loved Q he's been my favorite New Era player probably but like oh really Ro yeah Rome's just oh what a goober but what I was going to say about Tey I agree we should criticize teny because like they're doing a lot to show us like they're saying oh I want to work with tetiny oh tiny is really cool I love teeny but they haven't really shown us anything likable about tetiny she's got cool pants what else is there to her nothing she's just name it's all in the pants stupid name cool pants it's yeah it's all in pants honestly because C can they show us her being interesting question mark just wondering the pants make Tom you know as a actor you should know to read between the lines of the script and you know her pants what do her what do her pants look like monkey it's just iconic pants Tom really I feel like you're straing away from off top topic here it's just I you don't like the pants get over can you pantsy I don't think M's

28:18 Seen the pants before for some reason he's watched a show but he hasn't seen the pants hands Tom exactly you got to go normally Mony normally Mony only Pi allies based on pants and he doesn't even know the color of the pants that's strange as an as an act monkey what did you think of Sam's acting with Andy that's phenomenal yeah why is it's 12:32 give me a break all right Brendan is asking can we please have a puppy break and think M needs a puppy break right now where everyone or anyone puts it on screen I don't know if your puppy is close bya puppy sleeping puppy's out with the kids at the moment it's school holidays so they're staying up late and playing with a puppy so we're going to get in trouble kuna on YouTube because you know if we start using animals and puppies to get viewers and ratings like I feel like it's unethical what are you trying to do here Brendan get us in trouble with the YouTube police we don't need that okay do not need to get in trouble di welcome to the live it has been a lively one so far tonight Chris is saying tomin is feminist icon

29:39 Arc it is true I will I will say that the first time I support a female and my internet's terrible is there is there something in this is there a parallel yes your internet your internet does not want they don't want there to be they don't want there to be any incriminating evidence so we just seeing this blurred version of Tom every time so people are going to be like it even Tom that really spoke to us like there's no video evidence that Tom actually is endorsing a female Survivor player this season we can't even clip it so gab saying genev is the purple Canadian Sarah saying not something you can overcome unfortunately I've had it since I was a kid that's why I know I couldn't do Survivor because I can't have tags on cloes S Foods I can't eat rice but have a lot of water or something liquid for help because it literally gets stuck and I choke trust me sensitivity is not fun would you be able to have coconut Sarah like I feel like that's like if you can't have coconut you're screwed because like that's probably like the only other thing they have on the island gab saying there is all Tom again Chris is saying I only pick allies based on their and then gab says the internet can't handle Tom supporting a female player which is true were you impressed maky by kash's fire making skills like did you

30:59 Learn anything with the technique that he used in this episode that you could take on board if you were ever to go and play Survivor New Zealand when it comes back no I mean just yeah it's fire it's not that complicated like you Lear get machete magesium it was complicated for Rome he normally makes it in 15 seconds and he couldn't do it everything's bloody complicated for Rome gosh you know like after being named after a great civil Iz ation you think you would know a thing or two right but I think what Chris is asking do you like the approach kashan used to actually making the fire because you know Rome was sort of guns blazing saying I can do it I can do it but you know kashan was different do you like kishan's approach I mean look fire is fire like there's so many different ways to making fire and all these different speeds so I feel like you fire is not just fire is life in the game of but what is life Chris M it's 12:00 in the evening why are you getting so it's all about life Chris if fire is live there's many different kinds of blazes of fire you got your house fires your forest fires your campfires gab saying think we have to get used to

32:19 Chris gushing over Rome this hey I've got everybody telling me how wrong I am at the moment Gabe I may as well be the only one who's got Rome back in this situation being like hey let's go Rome you can do it if I'm wrong so be it everybody's already expecting Rome to fail but if I'm right I get bragging rights so I feel like I've got nothing to lose in this situation you know so I'm definitely going to be back in my boy Rome Dolores is saying I'm listening guys multitasking over here oh boy this should be good welcome Dolores is good Sarah saying I can have coconut flavor thing in a little bit but I'd have to eat it very slowly so I'd probably get made f off that's tough Survivor is tough like if you've got any kind of issues with eating I forgot the lady's name last season which was one of Tom's favorites who played what was her name again the billionaire lady that had the business Liz you immediately knew she couldn't eat rice though she couldn't eat rice or Co no she could eat coconut she could eat rice though yeah you're right wait was Liz the one who had that meltdown yes yeah like Applebees Apple that's right that's right yeah in the last four seasons Chris is saying I like how kashan didn't step in until he was asked he played his skills casually which is true

33:39 He didn't he didn't take the dominant position he stood back let Rome do his thing and then asked towards the end I believe hey can I ever go at it Rome gave him the opportunity and then it looked pretty instant for him to get the fire started so again definitely not a good look on our boy Rome there in the early stages but all the action really happened in the blue tribe kuna this episode were you surprised by Gabe not doing the obvious thing I mean if this was Tom nine out of eight times he would have gone with the boys Alliance you know Tom's a boy he's a bro he would have been in there with the Bros but Gabe chose the other approach and he and he wanted to stick with Sue and the other girl who's in his tribe I kind of forgot her name right now you got a name how dare you Caroline yeah it were you surprised by that approach look first of all I just want to say I'm surprised maky wasn't way more excited about this episode because the very opening scene of blue tribe was Gabe catching a crab with his feet and then there was the whole thing Sam digging with his gross socks there was a lot of feet stuff going on I thought maky would be like so excited for this episode well as I had so much fun this episode Kina

35:01 Like what you guys had I really did have a lot of fun and I was with the boys there's a lot of feet and crab action and often those two do go together kaha and so as a guy who strongly believes in big foot and likes feet it was a phenomenal opening episode but I also loved like the thread of rocks as well like rocks feet crabs that's how you get my attention perfect cocktail it's why us as far as his choice goes I did like it I like that he didn't want to just be the fourth and sit idly by in TK's you know and let TK be the boss he I get I still get weirded out Chris by the fact that to me he still looks like Josh but he doesn't sound like an idiot and he sounds actually articulate and can you know process thought well so it spins me out like because he still very much looks like Josh but anyway yeah like he now is kind of by bringing in a Tiana breaking up like getting rid of a TK of his four with Sue and Carolyn he kind of is the leader now yeah because he brought them all together in that or not necessarily Tiana but by bringing in being close with Sue by really playing his Idol well with Carolyn

36:21 As well to build that trust early I thought it was an overplay I thought it was like but then it turns out the fact that she went back to Sue and could verify and got that like back Channel confirmation and stamp of approval it turned out really smart from Gabe and I even like the fact that a tribal when asked about being out and doing like last week when he was making all that noise and doing crazy and we and we were like I can't believe no one checked on him he kind of played it off as like I'm just being Indiana Jones let me be Indiana Jones I'm having fun out here so he's kind of he played it really well to be the quiet guy with TK whilst also leading the underground Alliance I thought he played it really good yeah and if you had to go up against TK and you had to go up against Kyle like it's probably two more difficult people to beat towards the end of the game when it comes to challenges and immunities and things like that so he looked at Sue he looked at Carolina and he thought easier road to the end for me here I found it hilarious is how Caroline didn't want to trust them even when he showed her the idol she was still like H I don't know about this like there's something sketch here she really seems like a bit of an odd character to me as well the way she analyzes

37:41 Social cues feel like it's a bit off like to me it's the Goon Squad it's the it's the Revenge of the nerd Squad that is like taking control of that tribe that's going to take over they're going to get rid of the athletes and TK and Kyle and I don't know if you know we could probably talk a little bit about the fact that we had Tiana also move over to that side as well and I don't know if she if she did the right thing because she was constantly fighting between her emotions and her head and maky what's normally the best decision in your mind is it the emotional decision or the decision you make strategically with your head that is the one that's going to get you the furthest in the game because she had that massive fight with TK prior to the tribal council where he called her out or the tribe out for smiling after they lost well look as a very strategic man myself as which we all know me to be I'm going to go through a different approach and say that you got to follow your emotions right because end of the day yes while Survivor strategic game Everyone likes to game bot the new era of Survivor end of the day it's a social experiment right and you got to go with the people who you feel the most comfortable and the most people who you like the most right that's why we see players like Luke and sha do really well because they're just so likable everyone wants to be with them right and so you naturally just end up going with the group

39:01 Who you like the most so if you keep having arguments with someone or if you do have a big fight with TK stuff this guy I want to be with the next like week and a half with them you get what I mean so yeah I always think it's best to go with your emotions sometimes but there can be a step too emotional which what we have seen in the past like Survivor South Africa Philippines like with Tony and Vera and stuff as a great example of that but yeah it's really hard to draw that fine line between your emotions and your head right what strategically smart versus emotionally smart I feel like at the start of the game go with people who you like the most because that's most likely reciprocated Tom what did you think of this move and did I have it right like I'm sure would have been difficult to work with Sue and Caroline in theame like do you think Gabe made the right decision where would you have gone if you were in Gabe's position here in the game would you have BR it out or would you have gone with Sue and Caroline I feel like TK is a person TK is a person you could like throw an olive branch to like another tribe at the merge like another tribe of Alliance be like yo I'm happy to get rid of TK

40:22 I want to build like a bridge with you guys and work with you CU he's valuable to get you to the merge in a larger group of numbers and then he's very easy to throw under the bus and people would see his person and be like yeah I'm down to vote him out so yeah and it's tough because opportunity right yeah I just think like how I'm not I'm not a tribe strength kind of guy like it's more than just tribe strength for me but I think maybe Sue should have been the first Boot and then you and then if you lose again you could probably vote out TK I think I feel like Gabe made a huge mistake and the reason I feel like I agree with you I feel like he should have taken TK deeper into the game there's a higher likelihood that they do win challenges with TK with the strength that he brings to and like you said it's not just about that it's also the fact that TK had a very bombastic personality he would have gone into a merge and probably have pissed a lot of people off in any case but then you've got the reverse situation where he could have been this season's queue and maybe people would have kept him along because you go and sit next to someone like that in the end of the game they probably don't win so it's a it's a damned if you do damned if you don't situation for gab to be in but the worst thing that he could have done in my mind was playing the idol that he went through so many different Hoops to get

41:42 To three tribal councils and he ends up burning it in this episode Tom what oh like when I saw that I was thinking the only thing I can think of is because people were speculating about him having an thought let me just play it and get it out of the way but like I thought at least play it for Sue you haven't heard your name at all you know you voted for TK and Sue would have voted for TK there's no secretly blindsided you and everyone's voting for you like there's no way that was going to happen like if he if he was going to play it he should have played it for Sue to at least show how like you know how she can trust him but he shouldn't have played at all yeah like even all the work he did with Caroline to say hey I've got an idol we can use this thing together look at me I'm trusting you all of that's gone now because he has shown to be weak Under Pressure playing it on himself cracking not really protecting the alliance luckily for them Tiana did end up going over to their side of the alliance and it ends up with you know TK going home in this scenario and I loved some of the things that he said towards the ntk when he was sort of out of the game when he was saying like

43:02 It was something like Yeah The Tribe didn't like me wanting to win and being a winner and that's why I'm leaving so early so he's leaving because he's too big of a winner kuna to still be in the game and they didn't like him just wanting to win all the way like he's like we're going to win so much and Survivor if you keep me around they'll get tired of how much we're going to be winning in this game they didn't want that they voted him out that sounds familiar does it let's make let's make the blue tribe let's make this blue tribe great well that's the thing though right like he says that but if you're really that good at winning hey man he wouldn't be at tribal like you know what I mean like and I think like it's it is a delicate balance and a difficult decision to make but I think there's also an argument to be made that if you're not jelling with someone no matter how good their individual Brilliance may be in a team game especially when there's different stations and different thing him like the chemistry could actually be a detriment in challenges as far as getting you to True next stage stuff like not necessar like I think on net he would definitely be a net positive but I'm just saying there is that other side of the coin

44:23 Certainly comes up less often and is less likely but there is a chance where negative energy negative chemistry especially like to the point where you said before Chris Tiana had to make that choice between emotional and strategic and she chose emotional I think it shows how strongly she felt because he was messing with their sleep he was like disrespecting it like you know when it gets to that L he was telling Sue how to make friends in the game basically coaching her in Tribal Council of what she should be doing in the game before he was on his way out it was hilarious to see him be like so sue you just need to be more social you need to talk to more people this is how you make friends on Survivor next thing you know he's out he said like who's actually even talked to her that was so funny because like Gabe was like I love Sue is my number one like I've been he was talking to from the first thing and TK's like who he even talks to Sue at all while he's just got Kyle and he's pissed off everyone else in the yeah like zero self awareness with TK yeah kind of like Rome as well and that's almost like the downfall for them right like that could be Rome's downfall I'm hoping that he catches a little bit more because TK had no idea of how he's coming across to these people

45:43 And how much he's actually putting his game in Jeopardy just by his own personality to come out and say clearly they don't want to win like yeah well how much how much did you annoy them if that's how much they don't want to win like how bad were you to them to vote out someone that in your mind is clearly the strongest person you must have done something egregious to get to that point you know what I mean 100% Chris says Gabe took all those extra steps to get a longer Idol and still played it at the first tribal LOL Bren Dan saying hey Florida people you make out okay my damage is at the top of the chat hoping everybody in Florida is doing okay after the really severe weather you guys have had Brendan is saying I'm waiting for all the roads lead to Rome or when in Rome confessionals we haven't seen any of those yet Sarah saying although even if I was first bu I could bring awareness to D praxia I don't know if I'm pronouncing that right which would be great because not many people know about it or try to constantly question your diagnosis so that would be great gab is saying go going with the woman wasn't surprising because after TK caught him getting the key could tell that the relationship was bad yeah true and he kind of worked Gabe out and he treated

47:03 Gabe as just someone he could bring in at the end to say where to vote it didn't feel like he treated Gabe as an equal which is probably the biggest reason why Gabe moved away from him I would say in the game because you don't really want to be with someone where you know you're just a number you're a vote for them that they're going to dictate for you but you're not going to have an equal say in the alliance Dolores is saying Danica we did go never lost power so all so that's on the Florida side gab saying don't think he's the leaders who feels more like the glue holding that Alliance together Caroline still felt hesitant to work with Gabe even after revealing the idol totally true Hollis good morning welcome to the live gab saying M's brother had a better idea on how TK should have handled the Tiana situation and I agree you know Kyle how do you think he's gonna go in this game now Tom now that he's lost his broch okay we've got lost Tom so he may not I don't know if you're there Tom or not but how do you think Kyle's gonna go now that he's lost TK in the game I can hear you okay maybe not okay how do you think Kyle's gonna go now the TK's gone I think he's struggling man he doesn't have anyone I think he's like he really tied himself to TK

48:24 They were the Bromance even though he said I'm not in Bromance or a romance with anyone and I made friends with girls and blah the fact that you said I had I made friends with girls probably me means that you really didn't make friends with girls as much as you are with TK for sure anyway it's obvious to everyone even though in his head he might think I'm not that close like he has made it clear to the point where Tiana who was in their group said I very much felt on the outside I thought Jeff made a really cool observation that when describ it they didn't say it's split evenly they said the boys on top and the women on the bottom even though it's 3 three was a really interesting way to put it and again maybe showing how comfortable and how like going to where Kyle is going to be now he doesn't have a lot if he felt that comfortable with TK and now he's gone who is very much an domineering Alpha personality I'm interested to see what Kyle has like we haven't seen a lot of his own sort of movements and what he can do it's only been two episodes but I do want to see what he what he does how he socializes how he can strug come back from the bottom because I'm not seeing it I think he was a number he seems like a likeable guy yeah he seems like a likable guy and I was goingon to say I agree with Gabe kind of saying he feels

49:44 That for Tiana this could be a bad move I feel like Gabe oh sorry Gabe Kyle could potentially see another week in the tribe if they go back to Tribal Council based on tribe strength based on the fact that he's not someone that is going to be he's not going to bring conflict to that Alliance potentially or to that tribe so it's not like you're keeping somebody in the tribe that's very toxic or someone that's going to work against you and that you maybe won't trust because he doesn't have that much game I don't know about Tiana I don't know if she's in a good position at the moment in that tribe if they go back to Tribal Council yeah I think with Tiana sorry I think with Tiana in that group she was ahead of Gab so with TK and Kyle that was really the three with Gabe as the fourth number like just a number but TK I think was looking at Tiana with a little bit of respect as far as the strategy goes but obviously she didn't like the way she he talked in as far as competition goes but I do think she was pretty in that group and helping with choices maybe as much as TK would let her and now she's very much going to be fourth in that group that she's chosen so I could easily see Kyle as a as a loyal person as well yeah I also easily see Gabe doing the numbers like he

51:04 Probably will look at it and say well do I want another guy out then I'm the only guy with you know potentially three women in the tribe like if he does those numbers maybe he does keep Kyle around for that reason as well maky what were you gonna say well I was going to say because Carolyn Caroline didn't like trust Gabe even after he showed her the idol right so there's obviously trust issues there with Gabe is Gabe and Su I TI so I can totally potentially with gab is out do you get what I mean yeah let me see what other people are saying here Dan saying Gabe was protecting himself from rocks in case Tana voted for Sue so that's why he played the idol I did think so in the moment that is probably one of the reasons if he used it on sue the Rocks wouldn't have happened anyway right it's a better move yeah Brendan saying TK being voted out but from View of Sue AKA Sue's Big Move would have fixed this episode with gabes Idol Shenanigans being the subplot very true obviously Sue's Big Move we're still waiting for it over an Australian Survivor gab saying it's a public Idol just get rid of it but play it for Sue he just wants flashy play if it went to rocks just go for Shire win not rocks sah saying I'm sure we will hear it in a confessional start of the episode the good thing I

52:24 Guess it makes Tiana feel Sue woman Alliance is real when a real Alliance is Sue Carolina and Gabe totally true and Chris is saying real winners don't come in 17th Place AI saying TK goes to the mansplaining territory very true Sarah the funny part is in the excident interview he's still denying he didn't do anything L and she was perfectly social TK just not with you Al o so that is really it for this episode really and all the big highlights like the biggest part of this episode really mcky was the 30 minutes following the boys chasing the beware advantage and trying to find the key how entertaining is seeing them go on these Idol hunts now will beware Advantage hunts for you where it takes up 30 minutes of the episode for us to follow Rome and both Sam doing that you know are you not entertained by seeing this for a for half of the episode well look as I said I had so much fun with this episode I'm having so much fun with this season honestly this is the most experience I've ever had with any Survivor season globally like this is such a fun time it's just so much fun I really enjoy watching people go out searching for advantages which mean crap you know like Advantage is basically nothing you lose your

53:44 Vote and even if you do gain an advantage what are advantages doing American survivor anymore you get mean there is so many of them it's like it's pretty much worthless right I'd be more impressed to see people dominate a game without ever having an advantage because that would be brand new survivor but don't worry I'm having so much fun really enjoying it because this is just such a fun experience this is a fun podcast I'm having so much fun and honestly there's one thing I'm going to take away with this is that it's just so much fun so yeah just like with Dan it's a lot of fun yeah it's interesting there's this thread on Reddit at the moment that talks about advantages and they're asking is the advantages in New Era Survivor getting even stupider they say advantages have been unnecessary for a while but the beware Advantage nonsense in this first episode and second episode almost has zero upside in the grand scheme of things game and Rome was set up call me uni unambitious and old fashion but we never really needed anything other than the immunity idol the social game is interesting enough on its own all these extravagant twists have ever really done is Target good players early on

55:04 Then somebody's asked here I generally feel like they're just holding out for someone to actually deny the beware Advantage but obviously Brandon already did that a couple of seasons ago when he gave it to SAA on that season he didn't actually get it so I don't know if they're still holding on for that it feels like we've just seen the B Advantage now for what is what is it since season 41 yeah seven seasons in a row right yeah boring what more can we do with these beware advantages Tom you're normally the positive one in the podcast give me the golden line put yourself in the producers seat for Survivor and tell us what is what are we Holding Out for on this beare Advantage where are we going with this you're right I am I am really positive thank you for acknowledging that Chris you're the second most positive thank yeah look I think maybe if they do enough beware advantages is like maybe someone will actually play one correctly has anyone has anyone played any correctly yet I don't even know I don't think so I think more averages I don't remember a correct one yeah no I think there was one that someone played in the first episode of one season and they played it correctly on themselves

56:25 You remember there was a season Brandon oh was yeah Brandon yeah that's right the fact that there was one oh my gosh wasn't that wasn't that all the season 45 that had like the tribal where only like two people could vote or something like that was 45 yeah was 45 like at the first tribal just wait for it Bucky don't spoil it's happening after the merch people lose their vote normally after the merch we don't want to spoil it for anyone oh we haven't seen that one play out seven seasons in a row like no but I swear was the first episode Mony you know nothing about New Era so why don't you just I don't stay quiet and don't just have fun just have fun watching the epis don't think too much we don't want you question I'm just having so much fun I need to stop asking questions because it's just a lot of fun guys it's just a lot of fun it's fun Jeff makes the show for you because he asked himself one question when he went into near era is it fun it's it fun and he's doing a phenomenal job because it's the most fun show I've ever seen like my socks blow off we've broken kuna WEA we've broken muy bringing him into near Survivor this season I feel like we

57:45 Broken him you're using the word fun I do think that the scavenger hunt is more fun than the weird past phrase that they had to sneak into conversation like that was really dumb and awkward you didn't like the being as were you as confused as a goat on astr Turf when they started bringing up these phrases yeah that's what I mean that thing like this is this is at least visually more fun you know it's just such a fun experience much fun yeah go for it's completely off topic but I have to outmy here the other day he was talking about fish and chips and then he stopped to explain what fish and chips is as if I can't comprehend what fish and chips is he's like yeah I don't know if you have it in Australia but there's fish and ships you can also get burgers and sausages and stuff I'm like mkey what do you do you think New Zealand's a magical do you think fish only exist in New Zealand oh my brain cells the brain maybe that's why I'm on Rachel's side you just need to do what I do Tom whenever he dials me I leave him unanswered it's the best way to go kahun can

59:05 Back me up here have you not the famous story of Maui and how he fished up the north Ireland and his walker is the South Island Tom we've got the fish you've got Jack Hungry Jacks so you know Hungry Jack but you don't know that we have fish and ships here from our Waters gosh do your own ocean Tom gosh did you know we have meat pies too you guys got meat pies but Kahuna do blow on the pie you always blow on the pie always blow on the pie always blow always belong the pie gab says M has messed up Tom's mind so much he's cheering for a woman this season honestly I'm going to bring up another comedy Brendan says New Era survivors is kind of like that show lost it just gets more ridiculous as the season gone and the best character was the V was Vincent the dog or mak's puppy in the TNT Universe AI saying I think in trouble next week in blue is Tiana yellow anaka or Rachel red don't have a clue probably geniv or something like that because she's been purpled like I've got no idea maybe tiny like I mean if Rome's smart he targets tiny right now after he after she outed him in this first episode right who does he pull who does Rome

1:00:27 Yeah they'll have to split the vote right they'll have to there how many people six people in the game so they'll have to split the vote or something or just not vote for him and vote for someone else and keep him out of the vote I guess if genev is the only one that's close to Rome in the game then she could be the obvious next Target do you reckon Tiny's pants are enough to save her by the way mcky have you figured out what te's pants look like yet convenience dropped out as soon as you asked them that question that is it though for this week I think that we've talked as much about Survivor as we can on this week's podcast and you know for those that are new to the channel consider subscribing if you want to hear a little bit more fun banter and find out if maky next week is still having so much fun on New Era Survivor that we've just dragged him back into after he hasn't watched for such a long time we have decided on the podcast that the social and loyalty always outweighs strength it's yet to be seen how it's going to work out for the blue tribe after they got rid of TK and if they can get enough of them to the merge the merge happens a lot quicker these days so I feel like the consequences are less when it comes to getting the strong guy out of the game plus most winners come from the tribe with the fewest people normally when you get to the merge so maybe Gabe

1:01:47 Is trying to metag game this season trying to go in with less people so that they can be that little tribe in between that can float in between the other tribes and he doesn't really care if TK is going to get there or not but I think that's all the action we have here for this week everybody probably Rome Chris how dare you Rome's going nowhere you know Rome is Rome is gonna he's gonna stay but if you like this content please come back next week grab your torches head back to camp and we'll catch you guys next week bye stay safe everybody in Florida bye