Bailey Kench Interview: Traitors NZ Season 2

0:01 And welcome everyone to the N Tech channel here on YouTube where we've got the TNT text for you on Traders New Zealand de does baby I'm your host miky hope and today I'm joined by two very stunning very amazing Queens but as always I'll start off with my co-host at the bottom normally she's the first one to arrive but this time she was slacking she was slacking and so you know ladies and Gentlemen please welcome the slacken the amazing the fabulous v how are you I'm good that could be my Tinder bio definitely slacking all day slacking love it well they you know we've been chatting a lot recently about you know who should we interview right you know who should we do some deep Dives with and you said mcky I better be bloody on a Traders Deep dive the only people who I want to talk to are Traders and so everyone please welcome the winner of Traders New Zealand season 2 The faithful the murderous the traitorous Bailey how are you I'm so good I'm so good thanks for having me this is very exciting very scary but very exciting of course of course well you know Bailey we all loved your game and Julia unfortunately she couldn't make it this morning but week two said

1:21 You are the player to watch and I was like oh maybe I don't know I don't know but as much as I hate to say it Julia was right and you know you were the number one player to watch that's nuts that is so nuts that she caught it that early because watching it back I'm like I was barely there what was going on so that was good on Julia she called that but yeah it's nuts isn't it's a very weird situation to be in yeah well now that trailers is over how's life been going for you life is great life is great life was great pre-t Traders it's great post Traders it feels very surreal and my mom even was saying the other day like it feels like a fever dream just happened and now it's just it's done and now we're just kind of back into the real swing of just life but yeah it's amazing it's cool to look back on such a weird like crazy experience oh yeah that did take up part of my year and you know waiting for it to come out was like kind of the most all the tension was there for so many months and now it's all just done so it feels weird but it's actually quite nice it's like it's all out there everyone knows

2:41 I don't have to hide anything anymore I don't have to be careful what I'm saying I had to be careful with what i' I've been saying since April you know yeah so that's really nice yeah well V can tell you know this what telephone Telegraph tell Michel you know I can't keep my mouth shot about anything right I'm just so loud and so out there like how hard was it like keeping all this a secret from your friends and family it was it was really hard but I'd honestly kept the fact that I was going on the show a secret from everyone except for my partner i' keept that secret for two months already so and I think the fact I didn't want them to find out anything before they got to see it that kind of kept me like I had a reason to not tell them cuz I was like no it's going to be so much better for them to watch it and see it all on the fold that's so much more exciting and I would have if it was someone in my family going on it instead I would have appreciated getting to see it as it unfolded on TV so yeah it's hard but not well what was it like I guess in the like you know just before you went out were you like a fan of the Traders before going out yeah so my mom got me on to the

4:01 UK season last year and I watched I watched both those seasons and I loved it thought it was a great game though I love the fact that it was normal people just average normal people trying to play this hectic game and I then watched the New Zealand season and just looked up when is season two coming just out of curiosity I just wanted more to watch and found out yeah the applications were open I was like that would be kind of funny like why not I've got I've got the afternoon to you know fill out this application form I'll give it a shot but yeah definitely a fan definitely a fan it's a cool game yeah that's a real Testament to if you enjoy a show just to Google it and see you might end up the winner and it fast forward a few months and here you are yeah honestly I also this is part of the like why I did it story is I have always watched you know Survivor and those sorts of game shows where there's like challenges and I've always thought I wonder how well I would do it challenges and I love that Traders had missions and I say that's a bit fun and then I also oh you obviously deduced from the show I did from

5:21 The UK season anyway that not no one's sharing rooms you didn't you got your own room each night I was like that's so much better than Survivor like you know sharing a bed with strangers out in the bush I don't want to do that I don't want to you know like go toilet in the bush no thank you Traders I get challenges and I get like my own bits did being a Survivor fan affect how you like potentially prepared or even played the game of Traders I don't think so really I mean I guess you have different things in the back of your head and you know what people have said on different shows that instantly people didn't like you know and you keep that at the Forefront like if I act like that people are probably going to retaliate like that so not it wasn't at the Forefront of my mind at all in terms of other shows but it was definitely yeah you just I think you just naturally watching those sort of gameplay shows you gaml is the biggest thing right it's on your mind the whole time of how I'm going to play this yeah I wasn't trying to emulate other people's strategies from other shows or anything I'm going to just try my best yeah well something that V and I talked a lot about as a season win on is that in a show like

6:41 Survivor you have like your group your alliance I guess kind of similar to the Pacific Ring of Fire and you kind of like move forward together in that group but what's hard about Traders is that it's not really about forming alliances as about like finding Traders and stuff so it's much more like a emotional heavy game more so than a strategic game if that makes sense for sure for sure and you get actually a lot of warning before you go like this is a really psychological game and I'm thinking how bad can it be like surely and then watching I've already watched the UK seasons and I remember my first thought of the first season was why do everyone cry all the time it's just vote the person out they know that they might go home like everyone knows what you've signed up for you know and then you get all these warnings and but when you're there I think you're exhausted as well I think you're exist because your brain doesn't switch off and that contributes to the emotions and yeah it's really hard because the whole game is you can't trust anyone you so you could form an alliance sure but you can't really trust that so it definitely wasn't a goal of mine at all to for any alliances or stuff it was to meet good

8:01 People and to make friendships and I thought that being in this weird experience together we're probably all going to bond anyway and you come out of it and you look back and you go that was weird that we all did that together but how cool we've all met each other yeah but yeah it definitely wasn't a thought of I'm G to form Alliance because you just can't trust anyone yeah well I mean right off the bat we do see you and Donna have this longlasting friendship that really does take you all the way through to the end like can you like talk us through on how their relationship all started yes it's crazy because you don't see much of it but on day about day two Donna and I just knew like I say you can't trust anyone I just felt like I could trust Donna and she felt like she could trust me and we both across I know oh so bad across the round table I think we Had Each pretty much pointed across and been like well I trust Donna like and I trust Bailey we' both done that and I just felt so solid in there and I was right like it was a good feeling but we really stuck together and it is really nice to have someone to bounce ideas off and put names to that you feel like you can trust

9:22 Because there's a lot there was a lot of other people that I didn't want to speak in front of with like conviction because I was like to trust that person you know so yeah it was really nice to have someone that you felt you could trust you can't trust anyone but you do have to go off your gut sometimes and that was that was my gut instinct and we me her and Jace me Don and Jace were actually spent a lot of time together also you don't really see it and we had so many hilarious conversations of you know one of used a Trader like God you know good on you sort of thing and then when I got switched to a Trader it was just my first thought was oh my God I'm going to reach the end with Donna and I'm G to have to tell her I'm a Trader and that is like I say worst that is my worst nightmare everyone was lovely I loved everyone but she was my person and you don't want to do that to your person so that was sad but the end of the day of the game and we all knew that and I saw it coming I saw it coming well we do see like just jume quite a bit I think it around like the final six or maybe final seven you are throwing

10:42 Out Donna's name as someone to potentially get banished was that so that potentially you wouldn't have to break your heart to the very end or yep I would have L I would have loved every time I was in that damn conclave I was like I just want to murder Donna like just to you know end it like nicely almost you know instead of having to vote for her instead of having to stand at the end my dream was to V Don which sounds terrible but purely because I it's selfish I just didn't want that trauma for both of us at the end oh God awful but when I the day I voted for Donna I was sted as a Trader you go from as a faithful trying to find evidence right for anything of oh you did something weird you're a Trader then you flick into the trader role and you just you're trying to come up with reasons why other people could be Traders and when Donna first put out the idea of why am I still here I was like Genius Like genius question I'm taking that and I'm running with it like you have you have to just grasp at anything and at that point

12:02 I felt like all my other kind of vote options were exhausted so I wasn't voting for Joe because we'd already kind of tried that the night that he was really sad that was a plan and I was like I can't vote for him he's so that was just so heartbreaking I couldn't vote for him SE I wasn't going to vote for just yet because I'd also just defended him I had been saying since I was a faithful I think that wasn't like I trust no so I wasn't voting for no and then it kind of left me with like Jason Dunner and I was like that night jaay had the double dagger so there was no point voting against someone with two votes so that's where the Donna vote kind of kind of came from and it was awful and but it was my kind of play the whole time and I don't think I ever thought I was going to convince everyone to vote for Don it like I never thought that was going to happen but I had to try just something else to you got to try things so yeah and how is everything with Donna now like was it quite Rocky at first or that the night of the finale it was just a bit Rocky in the fact that like she was so upset and it was it was just a really sad situation but she's

13:23 Just she's the best and she had already said to me I think that night or the next morning cuz we all had to fly back to Wellington together the next morning and I was like oh my gosh like I have to you know I have to be with these people who I've just beaten like and got rid of in this competition and all credit to Donna she was amazing and she said that she was so proud and she was crying in her interviews and she said like I'm so proud of Bailey so sad I'm so proud of it no she's amazing and we talk all the time and like we had dinner last week with her and Jas and their partners and it's really lovely like just so much respect for everyone in the game yeah did you have similar feelings towards Jason like we also not wanting to go to the end with him for the same reasons to a degree yeah to a degree but I think I also I think part of Me Maybe knew that not that Jayce was on to me but that he may flip at some stage I think I was more yeah I think I was more aware of that and I think Jay is just so happy gol lucky and I knew that

14:43 He would probably like laugh about it and say oh bal's like get on you sort of thing whereas I feel like I knew Donna would be really hurt because we had so many discussions oh I trust you 100% I trust 100% we're going to the end like we've got this we can do this so yeah well before we talk a little bit more about your tra devious game I'd love to hear more about your the faithful side of you the innocent side of you know you're backstabbing every because as you mentioned before we didn't actually see a lot yeah of us you know happening in your game before you became a traitor and so yeah I guess right off the start when the legend Sam Smith is handing out wine to everyone and your two cups with Ros was it you know any part of you that was like oh I fancy a little bit of Ros or no not so I saw them and you see them instantly and I knew it was going to be good I knew it was going to be good and in the show the they you know put a bit of me being like oh are they going to go home I knew it was going to be a good thing but there was no way I was putting myself in to like in front of anyone you know making myself stand out I was not drawing any attention to myself in the first five minutes of this game like absolutely not

16:04 So yeah no way good on Whitney and Molly they were Brave Little cookies I didn't so you're so you weren't selected as a Trader at first what was your initial feelings did you always wanted to play a faithful game or a Trader game do you know what and this is so boring and this is where I'm like I'm the world's most boring Trader ever but from the get-go I was like I'm 5050 50 and which is such a boring answer and I told Paul you're not going to like this but I'm 5050 and I from the get-go I was like I think I could win this as a faithful and I think I could potentially win this as a traitor and after my interview with you know you talked to Paul telling them what you want to be and what you want to do with the money I walked out and I was like I'm gonna be a Trader I'm GNA be a Trader this is it and I was like giddy I was like this is like this is my time they're going to pick me and then this is elction happen and I was gutted I was so gutted and then obviously in h time of course they didn't pick me like I'm the not the non- actor the least theatrical so glad they didn't pick me it would have been so boring but they picked the right people but it was I was really gutted about it but then I could obviously you're not lying and you

17:24 Just can go into it freely you can talk to people pretty much freely and saying that though as a faithful you are still at least in my brain every single thought is calculated like every single thing you say you think if I say it this way that could look dodgy if I say it this way that could look dodgy so you're thinking about everything before you say every way you look I thinking okay if I look at this person too long that's dodgy so think about where you're looking what you're doing how fast you're eating like if you're eating things if you're shaking for whatever reason you're nervous like there's so much you have to think about as a faithful regardless so it's not easy it's not and saying that we're not lying but it's not I mean that's something that's so crazy about the trader game right so literally anything can send you home right like Steven for example like he just wanted to think about the murder of the banishment and then he gets pretty much like unanimous unanimously voted out that day right Mark is like always in and stuff and everyone's getting at him honestly yeah Mark was obviously Mark was such a huge character especially in the early game people either wanted to get rid of him because I sick of

18:44 Him or they believed he was a traitor what was your thoughts on Mark as he was playing throughout the game day went so Mark was in my car as we drove in and he I instantly was like this guy as a character like he's such a character but I just called it I was like that is him I think that is just him and in my head then you know his name starts going around of oh I think he's a Trader and I'm like it's just too obvious to me it's just too obvious and then you think oh well maybe it's too obvious so then it probably is you know they probably did TR but it was too obvious and I think I may have told him that and then and he was definitely saying oh people were saying that they think I'm a faithful already and I think that's very suspicious was like oh my God I can't win I can't win you're trying to make decisions as best as you can on the first day of like okay don't trust you do trust you I'm going to look more into you and so he was one of my okay yep pretty sure you're a faithful but whatever it's day one so when said that I was like that's so annoying I'm not suspicious you joking

20:05 Everyone here knows I'm a faithful so it was really funny when he voted for me because I kind of knew I just knew that his eye was on me you know at some point like I'd already alerted his suspicions I guess yeah and I guess you know in the early game say we didn't see much of what you were doing who were your initial thoughts on who the Traders might be well so I have in my diary and my first day diary I picked three my main three options were Mike Jane and Andrew and then I had like yeah and then I had like a sub three and they were which is really funny Molly n and Joe so I was like I got two on the first yeah first instincts but also really funny they didn't put it in and I was really expecting them to but it made sense I didn't the first day there was a room of us I think it was like me no Andrew and maybe Jace and I think the Traders had been selected for about 10 minutes at that point so there's not really too much to go on you're just kind of chatting and I asked I had this kind of thought of if they lined all of us

21:25 Up who do you who do I just think the producers would have picked as Traders or whoever Paul the producers who do I think who can I imagine them being like yeah okay let's pick them first off and so I put it out to the group like who do you guys just think would make a good Trader as opposed to who you actually think right now is one because I think Whitney and then someone said might have been null I think n said well since you're like being brave and putting names out I'm gonna say maybe Mike or something and I was like oh my God this is day one I've just put a name out no one else is willing to put names out I've just shot myself in the foot and I the first day panicking and I went to Whitney that night and I was like Whitney I just need you to know that I said this before that I think you'd be a really good Trader but I have no evidence that you are a Trader I don't think you are one right now and I was so stressed and it's I've used the analogy before that it's like you're in high school and you're gossiping about people and then you have to go group together that night and say your gossip about the people right in front of you to the other people and it's just awful so I was trying to get ahead of the gossip before it reach whne me

22:45 And then oh man terrifying but she was Bloody traitor there you go you're lucky you didn't get murdered in that first instance but speaking to the round table I think something that we noticed early on is that you're always quite calm and collected at the round table and we saw a lot of the other cast members getting quite heightened I think we have plays of the week and I think one of my sort of joke plays of the week was when you said to Brie something like is this is this too stressful for you something like that can you speak to that a little bit was that a bit of strategy or was that you genuinely concerned for her weal there a bit of both I told myself going into the game that I need to talk at the banishment tables if I've got something good to say I wasn't just going to talk for the sake of it but I wanted to know I didn't want people to be like well you don't speak at the round table so that's dodgy so that was something I was aware of and now so Bri obviously the first round table was the whole te situation and about 10 minutes before we went into that Round Table Bri told me that Terry had brought my name into it

24:05 And Terry and I the whole day had been together on Jane I had seen exactly what he had seen I agreed with him Jane was my number one and so then bre 10 minutes before goes well Terry put your name in and I was like who told you that and she's like I can't I can't remember so at the finishment table I put it out I'm like okay so who said this who like Terry she didn't get it from Terry but who said it and everyone was silent and I was like because I had gone in being like Oh Terry maybe Terry's not who I think he is like maybe I can't trust Terry so then I was absolutely frazzled and so that was the first night you know and then that was that drama that you see and then the next VI it was like it honestly was what I said every time we walked in something just flipped Bri was just tic like thing and I love Bri she's so lovely and she was the first person I spoke to walking in on the first day and I was like she's awesome she's great she's so bubbly she's lovely something about that room just triggered this yeah and I think I asked like are you okay are you good coming here what happened cuz that was my main thing of

25:25 Like I don't want to look guilty I'm not guilty at this point I can't look guilty coming in here out of nerves so I was really like I wasn't even going to grab my water in case my hand was shaking and I didn't want people to see that and it only would have been shaking out of just the intensity of the situation in the adrenaline but I wasn't going to risk it so I just sit there and I'd have my feet like firmly on the floor and take my breath you know but you have to do it all subtly because anyone could look at your the wrong second but oh why are you breathing well that must been a really stressful first couple of days and you know with the Whitney gossip you know and then you know Bri can't tell you who's been throwing your name around and everyone's silent oh my gosh how did he keep it together I just the f I think the first night everyone thinks they're going home right if you're not a Traer you think well it's me it's me so once you kind of get through that first day you're like all right and I think there's just so much going on and things change so fast that you can't really get like solidified into one thing I remember just saying in all my interviews is just I'm so frazzled I'm so frazzled all the time I don't know what's happening

26:46 But I think at the end of the day you're playing a game and I said it to myself 10 times a day this is just a game this is just a game like you go and you write a name down you hold it up and whatever happens like I can't control who's going to be murdered at night either so like you can only control what you can control and I was there to have fun and enjoy the experience so I wasn't too I wasn't gonna like psych myself out too early on and it was fun those first the first few days it was great you're meeting great people and you're having funny chats and you know everyone's putting out some weird evidence and it's all a bit of fun so yeah you can't take it too to too seriously what was the weirdest piece of evidence someone had for someone while you're on the trader show oh the weirdest piece of evidence I mean there were some BS that were kind of weird but actually ultimately were true like so I guess Mike's pulsating vein was one that he was a traitor which was true but I think oh the situation with Steve and that people were saying the thing he said at breakfast

28:06 And I didn't hear I wasn't I don't even know if I was there for it but I didn't it was over my head and then they're like he said we instead of me or whatever he said and I was just like can we really go off that can we and then I guess it kind of ties into when cat was going for Cale and she was like they IED me out of a conversation and it's not weird but it's like I think that's just your personal experience of what happened and then the rest of the guys are saying it didn't happen and you're just like I can't go off that I couldn't put someone's name Down based on something so personal you know to them but yeah I think I think to me the funniest kind of like weirdest one was the pulsating thing that was pretty well we do have a great twist that popped up as well it was the grave diggers twist where you have Andrew n and Bri literally digging their own Graves what was your whole thoughts on that twist I think it was great I think it was obviously it was a great play because everyone's instinct is there's one traitor in there like yeah without a doubt and then as you know a couple days go on I'm like these Traders

29:26 Are good like they I don't think theyve put a Traer in there I just think that it's also spiraled so far more than it probably needed to and I think they almost all three of them shot themselves in the foot like it was just so Andrew was one of my like first day people like instincts and then kind of just kind of setting the kind of question mark for the next couple days and then when he came out and was like only vote for one of us I was like why would you say why would you say that like you now twisted everything over to you guys like all the attentions on you and yeah I just think it was it was three chaotic people obviously like in the chaotic situation and it just fireal it was kind of good it was actually quite nice to take the attention off anyone it kind of it was nice to have that narrowing of okay vote for one of us and I was like okay good I've got you know it's narrowed down the pool of what I'm fear like fearing of who I could vote for tonight so that was kind of good yeah because that really stuck with null for pretty much the entire game I

30:46 Felt like since that moment everyone was just always so onto null it's like if people weren't bashing Mark they're bashing null yeah right it was just was like going table tennis almost between the two of them yeah at what point were you like not this guy's definitely a faithful so not too long after that like when I started thinking no I think they played a c move and they put three faithfuls in and then I looked back and I realized that no I so it was after Mike had gone and we knew he was a Trader and there was only a short time between Mike leaving and me becoming a traitor that must have been that day but yeah it was the fact that no had pretty much Gunn for Mike or had put Mike's name out a few times at the start and I was like why would you do that we know Mike was a Trader from day one or we think he is why would no have done that and then oh he could be a recruit and I was like I just I don't see it I don't see it and to me n defended himself so unbelievably well that I thought you could only do that if you not lying he's great at talking he's great at articulating himself like phenomenal but I just like if I was under

32:06 That much scrutiny and I was telling the truth like if you're telling the truth it's easy right you can bring in your points so that was where I was like I trust him I trust him and then obviously when I found out the last traitor was Jane I was like yes I knew no faithful but you obviously can't come the next day and be like guys trust me well speak speaking of Mike you know just before I guess the episode where Whitney gets fed out Mike singles you out as one of the few people where she like we bit of evidence and him going after Whitney and we do see you mention this to Whitney what was the reason for you on bringing this up with Whitney so I didn't bring it up Whitney brought it up and Whitney I don't know how Whitney knew so Whitney we're in the car coming back from The Challenge and Whitney was already aware that her name was being mentioned and I have no idea how she knew that she just somehow did and so Mike took that as I'd run to Whitney and told her which I hadn't I had just sat in the car yeah and Whitney was like guys my name's being tracked around do you know why and I just told her well it was because of I think it's because of the challenge and like you thought the lungs were and

33:26 And to me I said what I said in the show is I didn't I didn't go running to Whitney I don't think I broke your trust because I wasn't telling her anything she didn't already know she was at the challenge she knew it was weird she was aware of that and so when Mike singling me out for all this stuff I'm like that's not that's not accurate that's not true so yeah was I knew it was coming but then I was like okay you're just making yourself look more guilty right now too Mike so cuz since day one so I was like well here we go well we do see the per actually go Toe to Toe for pretty much two round tables back to back when he was getting vote out were you confident that all the votes were going to go his way the night he actually went yeah yes yeah I was pretty confident then I wish it had been the night before but obviously I learned very early on that I have no sway so I knew but I was like I'm not voting I think it was Stephen who went out the night that I voted for Mike I'm not voting for Stephen I stand by everything Stephen did he needed a second to think not that I would have said that I was very aware that I would not have made the decision to say I need a second to think

34:47 Or maybe we should you know do murder instead of banishment I knew that would go down like a li Bon like I knew it was going to be terrible but I just couldn't get on board with everyone's reasoning so some of the reasoning was oh well when Brett left she said it's Stephen and I'm like Brit had a great track record but I can't go off that because that's just an inkling like that's not that's not evident and I trusted Stephen so I couldn't vote for him I just knew it was Mike I was like no one was being murdered that night so what did I have to lose I'm gonna put his name down and yeah it was a bit it was a bit sad that it took Utah the next day to sway everyone and like lead the charge and I'm like I was on to this come on but that's okay that's how the cookie crumbles so that's fine but yeah I was confident what was your relationship like with Utah because we do see the pie band together at the end of the episode to be like o we got to take down take on Mike what was your relationship like with you he wasn't someone I was around a lot of the time but we definitely

36:07 Chatted and he was do you know what he was actually on my suspicion list the night that I got turned into a Traer Jane had dropped I'd swapped Jane for bin and Utah was my other one because I just started very early on he told the table that Jana had said three names I think no Mark and Mike or something but he told me when I asked him he's like Jana only said one name and it was no and then at the round table he's saying something else so I was like that's really weird why would you do that yeah because he was so certain on like the three names yeah only one name so he was on my suspicion list but when he wanted to ban together against Mike I was doed because I knew he had sway so yeah but we weren't overly like I don't feel like we chattered too much yeah well I mean let's talk about you know the plot twist the turning point you know like in every story there's a moment where the hero becomes a little bit villainous right you are you are choosing alongside Mark to you know put forward your pitch to Janes

37:28 About why you would make the perfect Trader like what was going through your mind when you realized you were going up against Mark well I didn't know quite how it was going to play out obviously I see Mark and I'm like okay like one of us is going home I knew it was coming at the end of that day you go back to your room and I actually wrote in my diary I we figured that we were down to one Trader and I was like okay if I was a Trader who would I recruit and I can't remember what it was but it was something like someone who's already got suspicion on them or could be voted out Mark somebody who they think would crumble under the pressure of being a traiter me and so I was not surprised when I was about the us and it was literally like you see it on TV where they're like okay Bailey Mark you have 30 seconds to plead your case Bailey go okay well and I when Mark was talking I was blacked out like I think I was running over what I'd said and just thinking why did you say that was not a good argument and I mulled over it back in my room after it had all gone down and I was like B that was a terrible argument so much so that the next day in my interviews I was like can I

38:48 Can I just talk about can I defend what I was saying last night because I think I was so frazzled words just came out I didn't even hear Mark mention the note I was so in my own head like yeah went straight over me and then I thought I was getting murdered so I was like oh okay well it's St fun bye everyone and then M gets dragged off so I could have laugh and you narrowly escaped murder you narrowly escaped murder so much right I was Mur for about five seconds and we were so pleased at that I remember Julia mentioning that like it was so it was so great to have Bailey as a Trader and what I thought was just remarkable was first of all you didn't really misstep from the second you became a Trader and also your personality didn't change and that is usually where we see like Mike tripped up when he got a bit of power cuz he got Whitney banished and then suddenly he was like I didn't grab a shield where whereas you managed to just stay the same was that

40:09 Almost impossible to do it was something I was very aware of and I think it was because I had been so strict in how I'd being a faithful almost I was like okay just keep doing it keep going into breakfast keep eating your cheer pudding and two croissants and don't vary like don't all of a sudden eat 10 croissants and everyone would be like was she nervous what's happening so it was it wasn't impossible and so when I'm sitting there saying I think I'm a psychopath I that was genuine I was like in my diary I'm saying this is really easy it's so fun like it's so funny how easy this is coming to me what's wrong with me so not impossible I think obviously the closer you get to the end it gets so much harder because there's less people to point the finger at so the attention is coming on to you and that was where I was starting to get nervous because I was like I actually don't know how I be able to handle people coming for me when I am lying yeah well what's your relationship like with Jane at that point because obviously she chooses Mark over you but then Mark is Mark and he takes himself out of the

41:29 Game so like what's your relationship like with Jane like did you trust Jane as a like a Trader like or just like no to be honest and this was I said my strategy going in was play as a faithful and it sounds so dumb because it's so obvious but it's like play as a faithful so whatever I'm doing as faithful I do as a Trader and Jane had been my number one since day one she'd been being my instinct and so I literally went into Trader and just went okay who was I saying yesterday was a Trader Jane and maybe Ben and maybe UT you know so I just in hindsight I guess it was a weird strategy that I wasn't aware I was doing but I was putting out if I had any inkling over someone I would say it so at least one or two maybe Jason Donna always Donna I guess would know that I'd already put that name out so by the time I was a Trader if I was all of a sudden saying names they weren't they weren't surprises I'd already had a theory for them three days ago you know so it kind of set me up quite well to be like well do you know what I've never trusted Molly was always my question mark so I'm gonna vote for her that kind of thing yeah

42:49 So yeah it was it's crazy was a crazy game did you have an inkling to then maybe take Jane's name off the table since she was a fellow Trader or were you thinking well she's a trador her I've already put her name out there I'm playing the same game I was yesterday sorry Jane precisely that I was like I've been gunning for you since day one I'm voting for you now because as I was literally playing as a faithful I was like yeah I think I've always thought it's Jane and now finally people were joining me Jane and it wasn't it I don't think I consciously I obviously knew I was like well she goes I'm the last Trader but it was just of a thing of she's been a Trader since day one I was gunning for Traders I'm getting her out and I was never going to try and defend her because that would have throwing me straight under the bus because since day one I was putting her name out that would have looked so suspicious that it was the easiest thing to go in with the messes yeah well you know straight after Jane gets taken out we do

44:09 See you know a huge plot twist where Utah is you know is murdered we have this whole like emotional like reactions from everyone we even have a shower scene which you know I don't swing that way but oh they definitely caught me by surprise and we get the reveal that Ali gets blackmailed and murdered him what you know what's your like thoughts on recruiting seali at that point I wasn't I think it's hard to remember exactly what I was thinking that moment because you don't get long to decide in all honesty and so I didn't trust Utah because I knew he could sway so I knew he could turn on me at any second Jason Donna I think it was a case of almost trying to not break up us you know as in like well if one of them is also a traitor we're gonna have to turn on each other at some point where which was silly but and I think Cali for me was like stable there's been no suspicion on him yet and I was like this is a great choice so under the radar he's good at talking he's good at I guess at that point he hadn't really had to defend himself

45:30 And it just felt like a really safe solid option of someone I'm not like crazy close with but we've definitely come up with theories together and we've you know gone for different people together and yeah it just felt it felt like a really solid decision it felt like someone who I wasn't too close to but I also wasn't like so intimidated by that they were going to sway other people against me yeah and was Utah always the primary target for that murder as well I don't think he was I think that first murder was a bit like oh my gosh what do we do and I can't even remember who the other options were at that point but it is he was strong he was a strong player and at that point he I think he pretty much had the best track record like up until that point of getting the right people out and so it was kind of I think it was a little bit surprising that se because I think SE put his name forward and was kind of like let's do it and I was but like yeah okay wasn't expecting it but I'm fine with that like let's go for it he's strong let's get him out because he'll definitely like hunt us down so

46:50 Yeah it was a bit of I think we were just so frazzled in that first one just being like okay we've got to make a decision this is n who do you who do you pick well being a Survivor fan obviously the Pacific ring of fire was such a strong group such a strong Alliance were you ever worried that s was going to take that all the way through to the end and not you do you know what's crazy is I feel like I wasn't even that aware of that Alliance and you knew that they were like friends and they were chat and they were had more Alliance to each other than they would have to me but it wasn't to me it wasn't like you see it on the TV of like this is the Pacific R of fire where the alliance I wasn't aware of that and so I people I've seen people being like oh why would Bailey do that you know the Pacific Ring of Fire is so strong but in the game wasn't super aware of it jaay was one of my jaay and Donna were my top two people so I didn't really see it as much and I didn't think it was as strong as maybe it's depicted in the and on the show okay and very shortly after we do see you

48:10 Guys recruit poor Ben just to break his heart and pH him mouth straight away can like run us through like so we had one last opportunity to recruit and we took it and we were like who could we possibly recruit and at that night at that Round Table Ben had said if you came into this game and you weren't prepared to be a Trader why are you here like you know we all joined this game knowing we could have been your Trader so to say you know oh I wouldn't take it I would just quit blah so I was like we would we were trying to figure out who the heck to pick and I was like well did say you know he's kind of willing to be a Traer so why don't we him so we did and I don't know I can't remember if I was like we're voting him out tomorrow or if that's the way it just kind of like transpired but yeah it was brutal it was so brutal especially because Molly was always my number one and you were always Julia's number one so you took out Molly like oh you took out her right hand man and like come on Bailey you're breaking my heart

49:30 Here I'm so sorry it was so dark it was it was honestly the strategy of sprinkling people's names in like from the GetGo if anyone goes on future Seasons it works like you just put names for good reasons you can't just you know put out willy-nilly but it works yeah while you're Traer was there any point where you almost slipped up oh okay you all the funny chat about you know what colors The Capes and what does the conclave look like I was struggling as funny as it was I was really struggling to like keep laughing at it and it just it sounds so silly but I was just like and I was just getting like so done with it because I was like I can't keep pretending to laugh like this I cannot keep this up so that was probably where I felt like oh people might be switching on that I'm you know wasn't as laughy and jokey about these specific like Trader conclave questions but apart from that I think the only other time I was like hyper aware of saying something was when Joe came for me in like the

50:50 Last day and I was like okay let's see how I got I felt sick I was like oh God can I do this can I defend myself and he actually didn't really even give me the chance to properly defend myself which was a blessing because I don't know if I would have screwed up if I actually had to fight back but the fact he was like don't wantan to don't want to sort of engage with this I was like great fantastic well I guess just before Joe comes hard at you we do see the cat is you know going so hard after s time and time again what was it like for you know I guess like witnessing with it did you ever think about turning on C with C at that point I knew I was going to have to turn on C at some point and I wanted it to be further along so the you know I choose him and then he comes into breakfast and everyone's like s he's been a Traer for five minutes like what is going on I thought I could trust this guy the thing I and I knew I was going to have to go for Cali and I was kind of trying to figure that out but I couldn't jump on Bard with cats things because like I was saying they were just too like personal and like I

52:10 You see me in the show kind of offending like the timeline of it all and being like it doesn't really make sense we think there was this many Traders so you think he was a Trader the whole time doesn't ever and I said that to cat and I was like cat like I see what you're doing I see what you're saying I trust that what you're saying has happened I didn't see it and to me it's not enough evidence to go on so yeah it was a lot of kind of that but I knew I was trying to gear up to the point that I was gonna have to vote him out so it was staying in the back of my mind but yeah jump on and just before you know we do get to that dramatic Round Table where Sally does get voted out we do see you conquer a personal mission where you have to you know you're trapped inside of a coffin you have to you know like untie yourself and you know get out and then travel down this like really spooky weird like sewage tunnel type deal like walk us through like the whole mission so at breakfast right you get told you got your personal missions today and I'm thinking oh God what did I say was my worst fear in my application form you know and my worst fear is skinks like I can't deal with skinks and I just thought I know they wouldn't have been able to Source

53:30 Like a hundred skinks so I think I'm okay very matter of fact like I don't think that's going to be possible so when I saw it was a coffin I was like okay and then they're tying me up and I was like it took I reckon maybe like 15 minutes to actually tie me up into the ropes and it took the fact it was taking so long and then they're like okay you've got 5 minutes to get yourself out of the coffin get yourself untied get yourself to the other place crawl through the tunnels ring the bell I was like they've taking this long to tie me up how am I gonna get of it and then I'm in this coffin and it didn't it destroys the illusion but I'm not scared of small spaces I was so scared of time running out that was my biggest Fe and I got I was like okay if I can just get the lid off and then I'll have more space to get out of these ropes so they don't show it but the lid comes off and I stand up and I got the get the ropes off and then I kind of forget what I'm meant to do next and I think I was expecting someone to be like okay cool like done and then I was just standing there in silence for about 10 seconds and I was like oh no I've actually got to do more now and run

54:51 And you had to listen to this thing I think the worst bit was the crawling in the stuff and it looked like vomit it was more like dog food and cat food and stuff and the smell has is still in my clothes I've washed my clothes from April endless times put the fancy smelly stuff and they still stink of this like dog food smell it's so gross but overall I really lucked out I thought I had like the easiest one I don't know how Donna did the mouth like there was no way I could not have done that so I think that's the trick when you're applying and they ask what your biggest fear is don't tell them Li like I would say I would say snakes because a lot of people are scared of them but I actually don't mind them so i' be like yeah really scared of snakes they'll put me in a snake pit and I can just go so scary yeah honestly but it was so funny at our watch party my partner asked everyone we had about 40 friends and family there and he's like which is your worst Mission and he got everyone to vote which their like worst nightmare would be and most people said seali thought his was the worst my favorite movie of all

56:11 Time is Peter Jackson's King Kong and the scene that always gets me it's like the giant insect pit where the fighting off the giant cockroaches and stuff and so just since then like every time I see a bug I'm like I know what you can become and I could not have done the ab sailing I couldn't have done Jason's the ab oh my gosh I yeah that would have really gotten me oh that was the one I wished I got I was like that would have been so fun would have loved that but and even Joe's I was like yeah I could probably do that it would be horrible but I think I could do it but yeah Donas I would have had no clue just one with Joe's one because we saw there was some chicken there do you know if he was allowed to use the chicken with a sauce or I have no idea I don't remember noticing the chicken I didn't hear anything about chicken yeah I think chicken maybe I'm seeing things I don't know I'll have to rewatch like I haven't watched that one again so I'll probably watch it today I'll let you know awesome well you at the round table you know we did briefly talk about Joe's going like hard after you but he's not letting you have any time to defend yourself which you say as a blessing was there anything else that we didn't really get to see like were more people

57:31 I guess like trying to go after you to be honest probably not maybe Jace had asked me stuff but don't really remember I feel like now my memories of it is so like honed in on what the show showed everyone you know but in terms of that I think maybe seali maybe me and seali had a bit more dialogue between each other and I think it was kind of like well SE why are you randomly now bringing my name into it so I think that's dodgy and then that kind of backed up my vote for seali but apart from that they've done a really good job at putting in like the Crocs of all of it really I think the only thing that people probably a bit more surprised about was how close donor and I actually were and with Jace I think that's kind of the thing that you don't see too much of but yeah no I was so lucky like honestly I reckon if some had have really come for me at the end like maybe if Jace had really like come for me hard I would have maybe cracked I don't know but I think I was just lucky that and I think it was probably also a bit of strategy of having

58:52 People at the end who I knew wouldn't attack as much I knew but I knew I had points to kind of back myself up to Joe and to kind of retaliate back to Joe so but yeah it was tricky yeah were you always confident that Jason was gonna stay by your side or did you think chy could have joined with SE and Joe I think that last day I was actually like oh okay he might go but in saying that I think I was also very naive because at the very end C cameras are gone so I don't know if this will make it but Paul's like you are you came so close to going home like you like they were on to you and I was like I was about like really and then Jason's like I was on to you I knew it was you because of this and that got of shocked me a bit I feel like really but you have to you have to mentally SE yourself up for I'm reaching the end there's only five of us left someone's a Trader there's probably two chances are you know so yeah it's a bit of I was pretty naive but thank God

1:00:12 Made my way to the end after all that but we do see at the final thought Joe accidentally you know votes himself out do you know if Donna would have flipped on you if it did come to a tie I don't think she would have this is the thing I didn't know how the tie would work and so when Joe that was the most shocking thing was obviously Joe's vote I was like I thought I was gone and then I was thinking oh God I don't even know how a tiebreaker would work like I don't yeah don't know the protocol for this yeah but I think I think Donna still would have would have been on my side I think I want to say yeah who knows who knows do you reckon it would be like Survivor and they would get you guys to do like a fire making challenge since it's I would have been out do it I would have tried so hard imagine it would have been a nightmare well as a final three everyone does vote to keep going obviously you're at the end with Jason and Donna your two most like closest you know friendships was there any part of you that just wanted the game to end with the three of them or did you know the voting

1:01:32 Had to keep going no so Donna and I had decided that day it was we were going to keep going till it was us and so it was Joe Al Joe Jace that was like this is our method Joe Jace so we had that plan and then the more you the more the day progresses the more people are like spiraling out and you're not spending a whole lot of time together so individual missions and then pretty much straight into Round Table almost and then straight out like there was not a lot of contact yeah and then you just start seeing people's faces and people are starting to crumble and you're like okay well we decided see Ali Jo Jace this morning I don't know if that's actually gonna happen now it's so scary it just changes so fast yeah well what was the like what was the feeling like you know you've taken out Joe you've taken out Jason and you know that Donna is just about to find out like what were you feeling in that time my brain was like split in between okay this is my nightmare coming true like I felt like this was going to happen

1:02:52 For the last few days and here we are yeah and what kind of okay I'm going to be crying this is very upsetting this is sad how's Donna going to take it and then 50% of holy I've just won and then be like oh my God okay and so part of your brain wants to like jump for joy and Skip and be like I just won this game I've won this game I did out like because I wanted to do something crazy I won it and then your other half of your brain is just like holy this is so sad and this person in front of you who you love out of most of all these people that's who you respect most is devastated and how can you jump Joy when you're seeing that and so walking over just felt sick and I didn't know how it was going to come out and it comes out so quietly I almost thought I was going to have to say it again I was like well that didn't come out loud enough to yeah so it was it was awful I just wanted that whole night to be over I wanted to be on the plane on the way home yeah well you know pause a second my door's blown open from the winds just hold on a second I got shut my door we rehung

1:04:12 It and so it's got a dodgy it sometimes blows open and I've made all the efforts to keep my dog out but then the wind just went so then I knew my dog would be coming in and tip tapping around anyway continue now that Traders is over Bailey like what's next on the horizon are there any other you know reality TV shows or anything that you keep on going on no way I was I do I keep saying that I'm like well how does anything compare like what do you do next that's like the next like step up into something exciting I feel like that's kind of peak excitement but no I'm not I'm not actor I'm not inclined to on reality TV this is the one show I was like y i'll do that and nothing else but no I think it's just living my little old life and just thinking back on how fun this was yeah well if there was some kind of allar or returning player season would you come back and play Oh I keep saying no and like I just don't know if I could do it again and then it's hard because then you're like do I play the same do I play different

1:05:34 Maybe do you know what I have said I'm 30 next year and I have said I want to do a Traders themed birthday party and actually like play it with my friends and family because I'd love to see how they deal with it yeah I'd just love to see people I know going on it I would just love to watch just what they do and how they do it but yeah no I just it's no it was once in a lifetime I think I think I don't think they'd want me I'm so boring I'm literally just like I'll just say this little bit and I'll just chill in the background and then I'll vote and then I'll kill someone but I'm not going to like stir the pot so yeah they wouldn't want me they'll take like Mike and Mark and well if you were to play again would you want to play as a traiter right from the very start or would you want to try go through the game as a faithful I would love to try go through the game as a faithful because I was so once I was a faith I was like okay cool all right and pretty much very early on at one of the round taes I got told like we all know you're a faithful so don't even worry like don't even really have to say anything yeah okay so yeah I think playing as a ball the whole time with it should be really fun and

1:06:54 Then seeing yeah how you go yeah opport I was robbed of well that does bring us towards the end of our podcast V have you got any last like questions or comments you would like absolutely Bailey you played such a looking back like a Flawless game and I know it wasn't all intentional but it ended up being textbook could you sum up your game plan or your strategy in just a few words if you were to look back in hindsight I okay I would sum up my strategy as like calculated faithful playing the whole time so even as a Trader even as a Traer 100% whatever happens calculated fa play yeah and that's how I said it at the start and sounded silly and I knew that everyone was just like oh that's so dumb like of course everyone's going to try play as a but that's what I mean is yeah you have a plan you stick to your personality but calculated and you just do that every day as far as you can yeah well by can I to say thank you so much for coming on to our podcast you know

1:08:14 Like you're like such a massive player you know for season two you know a great winner of the show and we both really wanted to chat to you as well so thank you so much for coming on you a superstar thank you for having me guys this is really fun it's always therapy when you debrief the show and just before we do wrap things up is there anything you'd like to advertise any personal projects or social medias or anything like that look I'm not one to advertise I am a wedding videographer in New Zealand and Oakland and my company name is Happy House films so I have a little Instagram page it's just a baby page right now but yeah looking forward to starting the season again shortly and going to film people's weddings and they've got a little Trader in the corner