Survivor 47: Episode 12 Review

0:11 [Music] [Music] a [Music] [Music] welcome back to the nullify tick we have the TNT takes for you on Survivor 47 episode 12 I'm here with coach Drew how you doing I'm doing well man best episode of the season and I'm just gonna put this out there now if you still hate Andy touch barbwire because that was the Andy episode that's the Andy episode he's been my guy and he just proved why he's my guy I mean I knew like I this feels like this was catered this episode was catered specifically towards me I mean Andy

1:32 Does an awesome move and I am a sucker I think I've mentioned this on here before I'm a sucker for these like split plurality votes like pulling off a 322 vote awesome love it yeah and once again they I won't say it was telegraphed I guess it really was they tell us halfway through the episode what's going to happen and you're still shocked when it happens because there are so many things going through your head of what potentially right before tribal Sue is even talking about oh I might use the idol and you're sitting there like something and Caroline going still had me saying OMFG about five like this is the most vocal I have been during a Survivor episode since the 42 finale because I wanted Maran to win that badly this episode had me just talking to myself for an hour and a half and I think that's a testament to how great the episode was from beginning to end yeah when I remember I watched it by myself and I was talking to myself too when they were at the sanctuary and Andy was talking about what they were going to do I literally went

2:52 I literally said yeah I love these plurality votes I love them they're so clever and keep go keep on here yeah I was just gon to say you're basically just like what Conjuring a majority out of thin air you know like you don't have the numbers you literally don't but that it just goes to show like you know it's kind of corny but like literally like never give up like even if you don't have the numbers you can still make something happen you just have to be really clever and if you deliberate hard enough and put in the work into this plan like Andy did you could tell he thought about everything to do with this plan and everyone played their roles to Perfection if anything Andy may have I mean during the episode I thought that Andy was starting to lay it on a little too strong that geneveve had an idol and I thought that might come into play and it didn't but I'm like oh if this plan gets botched it's gonna be on him and it doesn't and I had a moment when Sam was picking you know people to go Sanctuary I he picks Andy first I whoa what out loud because I thought okay it's gonna be Genevie and then someone else yeah and when he

4:12 Picks Andy first it's like okay all right and you know from there it the three4 of the episode are just these three running around doing what they have to do to keep geneveve and Sam safe that night but starting at the beginning of the episode I thought it was going to be a teeny episode and it kind of kind of was I would say teen is the secondary character like a side plot yes the side plot of all girls Alliance once again just Charlie Brown it just it never fails yeah q Gabe in the chat something about teny Charlie Brown I mean it's just like every episode it's yeah what was I gonna say I am curious what was Andy's plan had he not been picked for the sanctuary like this like really lucky that Sam just happened to choose him because it literally set up the exact scenario that Andy was hoping for to set this all up it gave them I mean did they even spent the night they were there for so long to be able to go through okay then we're gonna do this and then we're gonna do this and you're gonna say this

5:32 And you're gonna go make a fake Idol and do this and do this and it just makes me think like I don't know if they could have pulled this off had they not all been together at the sanctuary well so this is something I don't think has been shown on the show and or Sam says I promised Andy that I would take him I'm like oh okay that I don't think I remember seeing that so I'm assuming that it's some point within I don't know it could be it could be from the very beginning but let's just say it happened within the last three days in real time of hey if I win I'll take you Andy's probably banking on hey if I win or if Sam wins I'm going if Genevie wins I'm assuming that Sam will have told her bring Andy and then I'm also in a five-person Alliance five yeah five person Alliance it's very possible that one of them also brings me and if not I'm back at camp with these two so that's the way that I saw it was like okay yeah this is probably his plan all along when he woke up that morning like as he said of get me in a spot with these two and let me work my magic which he did yeah I think that he took what Genevie said personally

6:53 Last episode of that he's being dragged to the end he said I'm going to show you that I'm not and he brings her in on the plan and she now knows and we even see that she goes and apologize to him for that and I thought that was a pretty nice moment you know because it can feel personal when you attack somebody's game because everybody's trying to win and it's just a hard game with the circumstances and especially for people like Andy they're super fans you know it's their dream to go out there and play a great game and so to hear like that you're not and you're being dragged to the end I'm sure that's really hard to hear so that was a nice moment I thought yeah and jenev has a lot of Jen I don't know why I compared it to this but I was getting Spence bot moments from her specifically Spence bot in Cambodia where he's talking about oh I'm trying to have feelings and it comes off as fake but it didn't come off as fake when Genevie was saying in this episode because she kept saying it and you could tell that it was there was something there to it you could tell that she really did feel guilty about the fact that she

8:13 Hadn't made bonds with people since kesan left and the fact that she keeps going back to the kesan moment as the moment in the game that like Snapped her into the Strategic side of things and not the social side of things I think that's a testament to the relationship that they did have the fact that she's saying I have no friends here and you actually believe it and that she brings up at tribal and you actually believe it I know I compared it to Spencer but Spencer's was fake probably hers is very real yeah I love it I think that and I loved the dichotomy of her experience versus tenen where teen's like I need to be less emotional like I have beening playing emotional this whole time and where has it gotten me you know I have just been you know tossed aside and whatever and I'm done with that and Genevie is realizing the opposite like I need to embrace the community around me more I just thought it was just beautifully told absolutely does Andy know that Rachel has a block of vote Yes because they're Rachel told everyone in the group of five and then now all of them know because Andy also told geneveve and Sam

9:33 At the sanctuary that but no one knows especially now the Caroline's gone there are two Idols in the game that no one knows about except for the people that were that are holding them yeah those people are going to be not in the minority but they're going to be on the side of we just got screwed last night side going into the next into the first part of the finale which is also very exciting I'm so pumped for this two part finale yeah I'm so it's got to be do you think that it's really is it just G to be the final six boat next week or I mean they could do they could do it because they've been doing it all season where it's just a whole episode and then one boot so it's not it's not like that would be the CRA craziest thing I just I'm trying to figure out does something happen that would make them want to split it up into two episodes or is it just hey we know how great this season is we're going to give you more content and split it into two episodes yeah because you know to me I'm thinking what's the difference between calling it a finale versus just saying this is the penultimate episode you know what I mean yeah okay so Gabe is saying the

10:53 Next episode is the final six and the final five vote oh wow so there's real it's just going to be the final the fin the finale the final finale episode is just going to be the final four interesting is it going to be a shorter episode I wonder is it gonna it's gonna be shades of Australian Outback where it's just like oh this just keeps we're gonna go sit at the top of waterfall I hope not I hope I hope they make it interesting yeah I think they will they have a good track record this season so right yeah I'm not worried about it I'm just curious how it's all going to work what was yeah I wonder like is it scheduling is it like you said like they felt like this was the best way to base on what events can you know happen on the season like is this the best way to like convey it you know in the most interesting way I don't know but we're just going to have to see yeah no point in deliberating too long yeah so if we want to go back to the beginning oh we already talked pretty much about the beginning of the episode tiny and geneveve have a moment that by the end of it seems like it's he but

12:14 I it didn't seem like the conversation was heated leading into teeny kind of being pissed off and walking off yeah it was very unexpected it just seemed like a pretty generic checkin you know just there's conversations happening all the time this just seemed like one of them that just happened to be on the show and I think Genevie says something pretty mundane you know like I feel like Rachel can be any I think she essentially said yeah Rachel I think will be anybody at the end and Tiny takes that as on them and I say to that okay now really sure like I just think like I think I think we need to chill a little bit you know and I mean it because I think it might be because it's coming from Genevie like if Andy says it maybe does come off as that but because Genevie has now been painted as this villain and to a certain respect she is I still say that Andy is the villain of the season but like not hatable tiny hearing that from geneveve might set something off and now I'm not talking to you

13:34 But we get to the reward Challenge and I know we're kind of going all over the place with this but s Sam wins and Rachel is right there once again Sam wins The Sanctuary happens we've already touched on that I really like I've said this many times I love the family visit episodes they're my favorite thing do you think they're going to bring it back for 50 because I think that they're going to bring it back 50 because jff says everyone looks forward to the letters on the show I'm like that's not true they've only looked forward to the letters for the last seven seasons but it's the family visit they you didn't they used to do it where there were letters and a family visit yep so I mean I guess what he's saying is true people like the letters but they like the family visit more that's the way more important thing so they have to bring it back they have to too right yeah absolutely and I think I think they're going to wait till 50 I don't think that they're going to do it for 48 or 49 which sucks but like you know considering one of my favorite episodes of all time is the season 40 family visit I'll I don't mind waiting basically 10 seasons to get another one but what did you think about the scene though just in general because once again we get a lot more of jeneve

14:54 You know having this reflection on how she's been playing the game and I don't I don't see I haven't seen her be antagonistic towards people am I wrong in reading it like because they keep showing it I'm just guessing that I'm missing something that like has she come off as no I don't think antagonistic is the right word I would say just distant is the way I've been reading it definitely feel in I mean especially after the Saul vote I mean it just feels like she's just like doing her own thing you know she's like not even part of the community as she says you know it's like it's literally everyone else and her like not even in the Strategic sense just in general you know and there's just less and less scenes of her at Camp talking to anybody like it's just like doesn't happen and I feel like she was pretty involved back on the red tribe at least after the first two episodes you know she was

16:15 Invisible never forget where we were just like who and now she's like probably M like the main character of the Season she's like having this huge plotline yeah very funny yeah I wouldn't say antagonistic I would say distant and she's just I think she's just scared like to even go there at all you know to having any sort of personal conversations are you upset that they didn't call it the Italian job because I was I was very annoyed I you know I didn't even think of that but that is a that's another movie that's another movie I feel like I need to rewatch is yeah but we get we get this plan into place and they have the M the music playing in the background the music so they have a few different music cues throughout this entire thing one they or at first they have it like a spy type thing and then when they start bringing up mob they so they don't get sued by whoever made I think 20th Century Fox whoever did The Godfather they play like a version of The Godfather theme in

17:35 The background and I thought that was so funny and cool and the entire time you're sitting there thinking okay well Rachel's screwed because I do believe these three are going to vote together because Andy has shown that he's willing to flip whenever and we get to the immunity Challenge and I'm standing out of my chair screaming at my TV like needing trying to will Rachel to win however many months later after she actually trying to wh her to a win and they have to edit it in a way that it makes it look like it's longer because no one's Landing balls except for Rachel and Rachel wins and worst case scenario has now happened to the three Rachel is the new Kyle confirmed she would have broken the record already had Kyle not been there I mean she could she could still tie the women's the women's record is four yep so I mean she could yeah that's very true yeah just joking but like it is funny that like now she's won two in a two or three in two in a row she's won well in a row was that didn't she win last episode too potentially I don't remember but she's one two now

18:55 She's one two now and we get I in my head I'm like please don't go for Caroline next go for tiny I know they're not going to go for Sue so go for tiny and they're like oh we gotta go for Caroline I'm like damn all right well yeah I knew it was gonna be Caroline once it wasn't Rachel it was either gonna be Caroline or it was gonna be Sam or Genevie I just knew like if Andy still if operation Italy is still going through which I'm sorry yeah like you said should have been the Ian job if not The Italian Job something other than operation Italy come on I enjoy the fact that they've been naming their alliances this season yes I am a fan of that operation Italy I love I love that it was the episode title like yeah great Italian job would have been better definitely but hindsight yeah I and yeah naming it operation Italy is better than non-am naming it at all I think it's fun but I knew that if operation Italy was going to go through still after Rachel won immunity it had to be Rachel or sorry it had to be Caroline yeah because you got a we and Caroline's a threat car

20:15 We've been saying we've been saying since the beginning Caroline's a threat and now that she's gone I don't see Sue leaving at all I think Sue's got a final spot wrapped up I see why anyone would get rid of her except for maybe I'm tired of looking at your dirty face can you please wash it and somehow it just keeps getting worse every around in the dirt trying to look for Idols when she already has one which actually that's probably smart because it throws them off the scent that has one does this move help geneveve and Sam against Rachel they can argue they did need advantage to make this move work does this move help Jen be and Sam against no because if Rachel still sits the end next to them then it's gonna be like well why didn't he get rid of her when you could then or they can they couldn't get rid of her now but like let's just say something happens and somehow the three of them are sitting at the end I feel like a lot of the jury would TR to pose the question up if Rachel was such a big basically what the winners at War jury did of like why didn't he get rid of Tony why didn't he get rid of Rachel so I think it helps them right now I don't think it helps them if the two of them sit at the end her right yeah I agree with that but I want to I want to pose this question to you

21:36 And I know you love Rachel and honestly I like her a lot too but what do you think is driving everybody to say that Rachel is this huge threat because really when we look at it and I'm not like no offense to Rachel but she's been on the wrong side of the votes like a few times since the even since the merge let alone you know she was on the wrong side of the anuka vote right before the merge she really just was given an advantage from Saul that saved herself and I think she was she was on the right side of the vote's last episode against Kyle and I'm sure there's another one where she was she was in on it but she's not I think if I were on the island I wouldn't be seeing what they're seeing personally I think she's a smart player she knows I mean I think we're gonna get into it or I can get into it now where she literally was like why don't we just throw one stray vote on Sam or Genevie and

22:56 Just pile on and it's like she you know it's like foreshadowing like she knew she potentially saw what was happening you know I think she's got a good mind for the game but is there something I'm missing yes yeah it is I think she's I think they're hiding everything andan we talked about this a few weeks ago it's more of the let's let everyone else tell us that she's a thread so that perception just kind of Clicks in our heads too that oh okay well all of these people are saying she's a threat clearly she must be a threat and it helps that whenever she is shown doing things it's shown as triumphant it's shown as you know we're not laughing at Rachel whenever things happen on the show because it's the way it's being portrayed and this is another reason why I think she's probably GNA win because of her presentation compared to other F folks you don't hear a lot of people talking about oh you when people are talking about Andy they're not saying the most positive things when they're talking about Sue they don't they're Sam oh he's a thread but also we got the whole teeny mocking Sam thing this episode when we hear Genevie is talking about herself you know so Rachel's really

24:16 The only person that's like consistently positive even when people are trying to get rid of her it's because hey she's a she's a threat Everyone likes her this that and the other it's never does that make am I does that make sense it does it does and I think also I mean one thing in her favor I mean she was unlike Sam I mean they were basically in the same boat right and yet look at where Rachel is and look at where Sam is she was able to even though obviously Andy flipped on the underdog Alliance but Rachel was very quickly able to ingratiate herself with those with the majority with the numbers and M an underdog when everybody was targeting her and saying that she's a threat she was still able to get back in so yeah I'm just I'm just you know putting that out there because I think a lot of people might bring that up and I personally think it's fair because we don't usually see a player be on the wrong side of the vote this much while still being lotted as you know the biggest threat to win so you know I'm not saying she's playing a bad game at all I think she's playing pretty damn well

25:37 You know you're just playing Devil's aant right I'm just putting it out there so the next travel is the last time they can play the idols though right I think I don't I want to take the question now but that is that's the case right no I think there's two more right because next one's six there does it expire five oh okay maybe it expires five there six people left so the next tribals final and then there's one more the next tribal though is the last time that Rachel can play her block V okay all right that makes sense so we have this plan and Andy and this we'll get to the of it all right now because for months now we've been singing this man's praises and I'm we're going to sound like hipsters here but like who cares we thought Andy was good before everyone else thought that Andy was good and I think that week by week he's consistently shown it and now this week if there are people that are still thinking that Andy is some Jabron that's G to lose at the end like I said before touch barbwire because that's it's clear as day and it's clear as day now not only to everybody else but the jury now see oh I mean the fact that Gabe says oh

26:57 Oh Andy flipped again mean shows that they've already been talking about it and now we know that the jury knows because it's being vocalized and the fact that Andy sits there and says I'll explain I'll explain everything I thought was for show that is saying hey that was me and I think that's great I still hope that he gets out before the final three because I think the only person that give Rachel potentially run for money is him but yeah you're right he's been great yeah and I still see in the comments people are still saying not giving Andy is Du I don't know what you're on I don't know what you're on but yeah I mean basically I told you so we told you so sorry like I mean well so does anyone think that Annie can survive the flip the flip red fly comments from the jury he's flipping again it's ironic because you know who else did this to almost Perfection was Rob and Amazon where he just flipped back and forth until he couldn't anymore yeah and he would have one and he's doing the exact same thing

28:17 Like there is no from what we're seeing there is no big difference between their games if you don't include the first episode which I think people are still taking into account don't take it account the first episode because Rob's halfway invisible in the first episode of the Amazon halfway merge Andy and merge Rob just did this and this is what Andy is doing now but I don't see people praising him like they praised Rob back in 2003 and it's weird because it's the exact same thing yeah I mean counters to that you know I'm sure can pretty easily convince him like yeah I flipped because that was that was what was right for my game you know I flipped to whatever Alliance or whatever group was G to get me to the end and I think that's pretty convincing to be fair Andy is from the or community and I mean I have my I have my qualms with the or I mean I'm in the OR Community but I have my qus with the or Community I'm Tiny's from the LRG community so like at this point in Survivor history especially ever since 40 we've been getting a lot more people from the online

29:38 Community out in the real game so like I'm happy that they are doing well it's just frustrating because and like I don't know what else this man can do to get people to like him I don't know he's not playing for the views but what else what else does he have to do I don't know I really don't at this point Danica is asking what is the org Community org stands for online reality game mainly Survivor is what people talk about but there's other ones big brother I think there's like amazing race or something oh yeah there's Traders there's Bachelor yeah there's all types of works but yeah it's just Online survivor online big brother it's a lot of fun and also really obsessive like you get really obsessed really fast sh so anyway playing goes into place I feel like everyone played their roles well I don't think besides the one scene where Andy is like trying to split thing I think that everyone you know

30:59 Didn't go crazy with it with the selling it's very Karen esque from palao where they just they just played their roles even when geneveve almost gets busted with the fake Idol Sam or Andy comes to the rescue so that t only sees it just enough for it to be like okay that's real everyone it's it was such a great plan and what makes it even better is El's an audience still thought something's gonna happen it's not gonna just it can't it can't just happen like this and it does yeah because usually when a plan is introduced so early on in the episode something always happens you know and to be fair something did happen they said it was gonna be they wanted it to be Rachel and Rachel one immunity so got to you know adjust but yeah you're right I was like okay still don't buy it like it's just I thought I was thinking towards the end that Andy might just abandon because really his Target was Rachel and was his heart really in it at that point if it's not going to be Rachel but yeah once it I mean

32:19 It happens every episode the editors they got they get us they got us they got us again this is we can talk about the teen because I know we alluded to it earlier if tiny flips on the all female four she needs to go tiny this episode was really light on thick and I think for good reason with the anger for not getting picked in the reward the hey let's do this women thing for the 12th episode in a row yeah let's do this women's thing I'm locked in and what she oh I want to come off as a manter or whatever and it's like I don't I didn't get that at all it just kind of seems like you want to do this old women's thing which is fine because it almost never works and as we saw in this episode it didn't work not because of anybody in her crew but the male the male that they were going to get rid of fifth took her took one of their people out before they could get him at five right yeah I think I don't if she comes off as a man hater but maybe more of just a Sam hater or really just like a great impression by the way I thought it was I thought it was great

33:40 I or just like maybe not even necessarily Sam hater just like people like Sam she just doesn't like that archetype of person which also I thought was funny that later on Sam mentions that he's channeling his former theater which I guess makes sense based off his profession yeah yes but I just think it's funny because I don't know if tiny would have guessed that he was a yeah if I saw same out there and didn't know what he did I would assume that at some point he was the pretty boy in high school like that's not that crazy to you yeah you know so and then yes it is a fun little thing because like oh no I was a theater kids like well theater kids can be attracted too like that's not really stereotyp The Stereotype exactly but yeah teny it seems like Tiny's finally got this down we're gonna do this we're all locked in and at that point I almost thought maybe Sue should tell them about her Idol not Rachel because Rachel doesn't need tell anyone anything maybe Sue should tell everyone about their her Idol just in case do we feel like Sue one do you

35:00 Think that Sue has a snowball's chance in hell of winning the game but two do you feel like who do you feel like Sue is going to latch on to NE actively latch on to next or think because I feel like there's already some setup for it I feel like Sue's relationship has Sue has been set up to have a poten poal relationship outside of Caroline with two people Andy and Rachel and I think we can assume why it's not gonna go well with Andy after this so we saw with Andy I might be the only person that remembers this but it was like a couple episodes ago like they had a there was a scene with them together they met in the in the jungle and they had a really good conversation and Sue basically said like yeah I can totally see myself you know us two getting to the end together same thing with Rachel when she tells When Rachel tells Sue about her Idol and she says like you just you just won me over like I am in Gabe did the same thing to me at the beginning of the game and I latched on to him so it's gonna be

36:20 Rachel like I'm just calling it right now like she is going to I think calling my shot here do something to basically help Rachel win at the end I think that Sue is going to become self-aware and realize that she's probably not gonna win and I think she might help Rachel win instead I think that I'm call that feels like something that can happen called your shot but also maybe contradicting that you've asked me does Sue have a snowballs chance of winning I think yes because I think you know obviously anyone has a chance of winning but obviously she has pretty low chance just based off what we've seen she has an idol she has an idol that juries like it when you play an idol well so if she could do something with it and I'm like maybe take out like geneveve or Rachel prob in some way but like I just said I don't think that's going to happen so there's a world there's actually I think like plenty of Worlds where Sue could win but I think her reputation's

37:40 Pretty low right now among the jury just in terms of like gameplay I think she's just kind of seen as probably what people think that Andy's looked at looked as I think Sue is that or even worse you know like she's just kind of the maybe a kooky old lady you know I know it's an editing trick it could be real but I think it's an editing trick the scene at tribal where she like Smiles at Kyle and Kyle's just sitting there I want that to be I want it to be real I want so badly I the same thing talking about the jury they look very pissed off this episode so I'm assuming that Kyle went in there and told them things that would like make them more upset than just Sierra because Gabe didn't look that pissy last week and besides his little comment at the end when K got voted out yeah and Saul's you know just vibing has been consistently just angry and it looks like they are for strong as far as being upset now that could just be a ruse it could be like let's make

39:00 Them sweat a little bit but what we're being shown and why would they show us if they didn't mean it they're being shown as being visibly pissed off and yeah the Andy Thing Once Again Gabe saying oh Andy flipped again do you think that's a positive or A negative thing in their eyes right now do you think the way the Gap said it what do you think how do you think that he was saying it do that make sense ah it did kind of sound slightly negative but honestly I would assume that Gabe would respect flipping you know like I feel like that's the kind of kind of player that Gabe wanted to be you know like a Tony type or like you said like Rob Cino you know just flipping from group to group I would be shocked if Andy made it to the end and the reasoning that they don't vote for him is because he flipped too much like that would just that would kind of shock me I don't think it's crazy to assume that maybe the jury doesn't fully respect Andy's game at least I sure hope that maybe they respect him a bit more but prior to this I understand but if flipping is the reason then I'm not

40:20 Really I'm not really sure about that these people don't seem like Dan Foley with his whole obnoxious flippers never win it doesn't feel like I think we've are moved on far enough in Survivor history where like that mentality is probably gone of we can't vote for The Flipper but anyway so we you know we get to tribal we know that there are going to be three people to get votes no matter what we know there going to be three people to get votes it really only matters how Andy votes and once again we so the this is like the third or fourth week in a roow that we've gotten the Genevie voting confessional now I don't know if they're doing that because she gives great voting confessionals because she does or if it is ultimately leading to something because I think I really picked up on it this week like wow they let her they showed hers again or they showed her talking again what did you think of this tribal I thought it was It was kind of interesting I felt like they were one thing I noticed and this isn't really like the main point of tribal I just wanted to point it out I felt like they kept P they kept panning to Caroline and like Sue

41:41 Like supposedly like making faces at each other to kind of make it seem like will sue play the idol for Caroline because I think there was like some sort of passing comment back at camp and the whole time I was just thinking like that's not happening like she's not playing the idol for Caroline like that's not happening I could just tell that was edit manipulation you're not getting me on that editors you know but yeah very you know I liked it I mentioned like way earlier in this podcast with Genevie and tiny their sort of dichotomy of their experiences in the game and how it's sort of shaped their mindsets in this moment I thought it was really compelling yeah I know like I said I know we've touched it on it already but jev's moment of her saying oh yeah community and all this it's like yeah I get it I get where she's coming from and I also get that she's still playing the game with her saying this and once again in an episode where Genevie should go home Genevie does not go

43:01 Home and it's G and in the trailer for next week just jumping a little bit in the trailer for next week I think for the first time in a long time I think that almost everything we see in the trailer will actually come to fruition and will be legitimately real as far as like what they're showing us is actually going to happen so like there's a scene where genev and Rachel are standing next to each other it's like this whole like this head-to-head thing it's like yes this is what it's been the entire time they keep taking shots and they keep missing and other people take keep taking shots at them and they keep missing a Perfect final three would have the two of them in it or the Perfect final four fir making would have the two of them in it either way I mean I need I need them to go head-to-head at something before this is all said and done like if they all end up voting out Genevie or all voting out Rachel I think it'll be a great moment no matter what but for me I need them one-on-one you know to determine who's the best yeah I think that would be a pretty epic way to start or end the finale the two-part finale you know like you said like those are those are the Front Runners right now like really

44:21 They are the only two that I can kind of conceive conceivably see winning I just have a hard time I know that you and I are high on Andy but I still have a hard time and I still think that he can change people's minds but I have a hard time seeing them vote for him unless it's literally him Sue and Sam not I think tiny has a better chance than I think tiny I think tiny yeah no teny then Sam I think go Rachel geneveve teny no Rachel Genevie Andy teny Sam Sue yeah I think that's probably Fair so but I just still like it just doesn't feel right in my in my mind like that Andy will be the winner I think Andy's gonna get I think Andy goes home next week yeah that's like extremely possible he's I mean it's I know that like I'm comparing it to something that didn't even end up happening the same way but like Genevie she came out and said here I am

45:41 I just made this big move obviously she didn't end up going but like she was supposed to you know so they're at least going to Target him because I think that geneveve has done a great job of kind of stepping back and like cowering and saying I Surrender I Surrender she hasn't you know she's still playing you know she's making fake Idols she's part of this operation Italy you know I could still absolutely see Genevie winning but right now it is her and Rachel it's her and Rachel and I'm fine with that it's so great to have your oh team Rachel or team Genevie and thankfully I picked both of them so like I'm good I don't have to pick the one but what's F or what I think is going to happen is because now Andy is in the OM spot of Omer got clocked after he had been toying with people for most of the game and then got caught with his pants down right before the finale well I guess this will be in the finale but whatever right yeah so I think that now that Andy has like shown hey yeah I know what I'm doing I think that someone's going to try to someone's going to pull a fast one on him

47:02 And all they need is someone brought up in the comments and it's true they if they can get tiny and Sue because Sue is gonna be pissed off no matter what and Tiny wants tentin is going to want is gonna be out for blood even though the trailer is gonna showing her talking about Rachel's block of vote and all that I think that and Genevie have no problem going after Andy because once again keeps her alive to final five now Sam and Andy which we really didn't touch on like besides him picking him you brought this up last week we really never got payoff on them going after each other never buddies since then just and by the way I thought it was actually very nice to see Sam say like hey you know I did Andy wrong and I feel like I owe him you know I don't think you owe anybody anything in Survivor you know you play to win but I thought that was a nice sentiment you know because they really did do him dirty you know him and Sierra you know they were planning on dragging him through and so I thought that was nice and I mean it bought Sam another day in this game

48:23 And it is pretty funny that it never happened it's like have you watched Australian Survivor I watched hero villains okay so there's this running joke that in season one of Australian Survivor there was a preview before one of the episodes later in the merge where it was like is the it was actually somebody named Sue I believe who was like will this be Sue's net Big Move is Sue gonna make a big move next week and then just like literally nothing happened and then they like did it again later and said is this Sue's big move and then she didn't even like talk about making a big move at all like it just literally never happened just conjured it out of out of thin air and so like this reminds me of that I'm just like they just made something out of nothing like in those previews that's I mean I don't know like that reminded Ed me of Nicaragua and purple Kelly finally has something to say and it's like it has nothing confessional that episode has nothing to do with anything yeah they put it in the trailer in the trailer anyway yeah

49:43 So okay so this is where we're at now we're at the final six we got two episodes left we've got visibly a pissed-off jury I'll buy it when they actually ask the questions because I still think that yeah we've got two people that we perceive as being the odds one favorites to win and we've got four other folks for this just for you for this season if it's not already for this season to be top 10 for you what would need to happen in your perfect world my perfect world Andy makes two more crazy moves takes out Genevie then Rachel then does something crazy with fire and then convinces the jury and changes their mind that he's not just some goof and that he's actually a great player and then he wins because I just love Andy that's my perfect world doesn't necessarily that doesn't necessarily have to happen for it to be top 10 I still am kind of because I think you and I agree that Rachel is the front runner right now if we were to make a bet

51:04 On who wins it's we're putting it all on Rachel but I'm hoping to see kind of her to make a big move because there she's played great am I eating some gummies oh because you're you just don't like Andy so he's not for you not for you he doesn't he's a he's an Andy here let me go back to one real quick let me go back up to one of YouTube bearcat's comments he says the trouble is in Andy's mind he has masterminded several big moves and I am pretty sure no one in the jury has given him any credit for anything and I think you're half right because I don't I think I agree with the last part of your of your comment I don't think that d has really given him credit for much but I don't know if I believe that Andy thinks he's some Mastermind he's masterminded like several moves like what would those moves what are these moves that Andy thinks he's masterminded I think that he believes that he played his position well to flip on salmon Sierra then I think he hopped to geneveve

52:24 And then I think he has flipped he's just he's flipped to group from group to group those aren't necessarily masterminding big moves you know it's playing the middle it's playing the middle to Perfection to Perfection is winning but everyone just playing the middle ground is the most dangerous spot to play and it is and he's doing it very well right now he survived an odd number he survived the seven we kept saying seven is like the crazy and it was and Andy Caught no votes and gained two allies out of it and if we go if we if he survives next week at five if he somehow is not on the table someone to go that would be crazy because he's now shown multiple times that he's willing to jump ship when the time calls for it and five would be the time to call for it again and if they allow him to do that there's going to be a storm you know moving forward that for that final four so I don't I know we keep harping on this and it's crazy because I don't even want Andy to

53:44 Win but I just feel like I have to support him I have to support him I mean yeah I mean I think I'm just High I'm just high on Andy I'm just high on Andy and I don't want to harp on that too much because whatever because I it doesn't seem like many people agree with that so this you know it's not for you guys but I think that kind of going back to what I was saying about Rachel you know to make this a top 10 season because honestly I'm at the point where I'm already just kind of penciling her in as the winner wow like it's that it's at that point like it really is like I just it just is I just I but I want to see a little bit more than maybe just what we what has already happened what how she has already played I kind of want to just see a little bit more I want to see because I feel like the way that they're treating Rachel is that she's literally like this you know power player and she's not she's not this power

55:04 Player make like Genevie is really you know Andy just made a power play Rachel hasn't done that and that's fine you don't have to but it's the way that she's being treated by the other players and by really the edit so I kind of want to see her live up to that yes you know and I still I think she could she's got a block ofo and an idol yeah you know so that's what I'm hoping for I think if something you know epic goes down with those two advantages or yeah with those two advant like I think like I will be a happy man and I will put this in my top 10 yeah what about you what would make this I know that you're you love Rachel she's been your winner pick is that what you would like to see is some fireworks from Rachel and her to be Crown the winner so coming from me Mr no not no big moves I would love to see an idol block of vote play in the same round that succeeds and honestly all I really want is a Genevie versus Rachel oneon-one whether it's fire or sitting at the end next to a third person probably Sue that's all I want

56:25 I just want Rachel versus Genevie I think that'd be a great way to end the season because it has been they are the Rivalry of the season and I feel like this is the type of season that when it ends there will be people that were team geneveve and team Rachel Sandra and parvy weren't button heads in here's villains but that's what I would compare it to of like there are people that are team parvy and there are people that are team Sandra and I think this is what we could potentially get if we get the two of them sitting next to each other we're even at fire for me right now this is probably already top 15 it probably will be in the top 10 when it's all said and done and I said this a couple weeks ago I cannot wait to do my Marathon again because I want to watch the season again I watched that episode today and then I went to work and I thought about it the entire I worked at a hockey I worked a hockey game today and I was working in the Penalty Box so for the most part I think there was only two people that came in at any point during the game and I was like wow that was a really good episode I texted you like hey please like you know whatever you watch pleas like this is great this is it's such it's so good that you know the

57:45 The discourse this season hasn't been about oh I hate the new era and all this it's basically just been I hate Andy which is weird but the discourse is has gone away from hating on the new era because you can't hate you can't hate this season and so now you have to pick because people have to be upset over something they've now chosen I think that's what it is they moved all their hatred of the new era to one person and it just so happens that the one person is actually pretty good but so question I just need Rachel versus geneveve final thoughts on the trailer for next week's episode if you watched it yes I did and I'm trying to remember exactly a Tony moment in the trailer yes that was the one thing that stood out to me was it was in the dark and everybody's huddled on the beach and Rachel's sneaking by and listening to them and yeah like you said they posed this finale as kind of Genevie versus Rachel so really I think you're going to be satisfied is what I think in some way I think otherwise because I feel like I feel like they're a little bit more honest in their

59:05 Finale trailers than they are perhaps with their you know Andy versus Sam you know epic blowup which never happened you know I think yeah so I think you're going to be happy let's see Gabe says no matter what happens do you think Andy is a lock for 50 Andy's the type of player Jeff said he wants back I think there are a lot of people from quite a few people in this season that Jeff would like to see back I think that well we are we kind of already talked about Gabe and that feel so long ago remember Gabe yeah but Andy I think absolutely I think that Jeff would want Andy there I think Genevie too I think Genevie sorry Jeff really likes Genevie I really like one underrated thing about Genevie she's G she gives really good tribal counsil answers yes and her voting confessionals are good and just her confessionals in general but her I love her answers at tribal I think that Jeff is just eating it up like every tribal they always

1:00:26 Always include because we know that tribals are way longer than what they are shown on TV they ask everybody questions but geneveve always gives they always leave in a geneveve answer and for good reason yeah because she's a great talk she's a great talker she's a great narrator Andy is too I feel like everyone even Sue's craziness is fun to watch everyone has been delivering and once again we can episode where we know how everyone is thinking about the situation we don't we're not left in the dark about because like we both touched on Sue even says maybe I'll play my for Caroline so we now know that this is a thing that could potentially happen I'm excited for the finale I'm going to be going to a finale Party U for the second part I'll be going to a finale party so I'm really excited for that yeah I think I think we're good yeah nothing more from me so I think you can sign off there everybody grab your torches head back to Camp have a good one